In case that some of you didn't decided yet, here's a word of advice from Mittens:

http://www.tentonhammer.com/node/208990/page/2



In case you already took the 2,000 AUR, I suggest to petition to withdraw your choice before holiday gifts are sent december 22nd.

(Frankly, I smelled rats about giving away an esteemed 250 million to people when everything else is around the 40 million mark...)

I'm taking the aurum for that day when they let us change bloodline and(hopefully and)/or race. Not much else really appealed to me, since I have a remap coming on the 21st anyway.

Why don't you round up your 2 friends and shoot the statue in Jita about it ?

Customization of ship skins is something many of us have been waiting for since 2003 and seeing as the graphic framework (v3'ing) is being done on our subscription dollar why do you support the skins being considered optional content that you pay extra for rather than the basis for player to player industrial investment and marketing in game?

Furthermore, why do you believe in pushing convenience microtransactions that provide a skill training advantage into a premium subscription MMO that prides itself on its player led economic sandbox? Whats NeXt? Aurum for skill points? You may as well argue for that if you are going for the remap route.

the reality of the situation is that your point of view is profoundly unpopular and came close to killing this game last autumn. CCP have now removed head from ass and are moving in the proper direction once more and you want them to go back to the bad old days of CCP monocle and thousand dollar jeans?

What? We're talking about the NeX here: that thing that apparently required a whole lot of development (since it wasn't released at a fully-featured state); which provided no ISK sink (since it didn't accept ISKGǪ or indeed, anything as payment due to the aforementioned development problems); and which impinged on the entire industrial sphere of EVE.

Call me a hopeless idealist. I like to believe that people can be helped to understand things.

Not really, no. Requires a lot of development + not given enough developers = not finished. Don't get me wrong: I kind of agree with you GÇö it most definitely shouldn't require any development time, since it's just a carbon copy of the LP store, but apparently it was a huge deal and very difficult. vOv
GǪoh, you mean those things that are unique and one-off gift items, rather than stuff that's supposed to be traded en masse on the market? Yeah, no. That's apples and bacon right there.
GǪexcept that those don't GÇ£just drop out of the skyGÇ¥ GÇö they are handed out in very small batches by CCP at very special occasions, rather than continuously generated. None of the NeX items GÇö current or proposed GÇö have any business existing outside of the normal market/industry cycle.

Hmmm, I thought ccp monocle and ccp thousand dollar jeans were the missionaries here trying to spread the holy word of virtual goods to the benighted subscription payment masses of Eve online.

As soon as any game-changing items are actually handed out, that might be a relevant question.

Not that any of it matters, since the actual point remains the same: the NeX robs the game of new gameplay elements and doesn't serve any useful purpose for players.

Everyone has equal oppurtunity to get one of these free remaps don't they? The only restriction being that they have to log in and chose that one over the other chrismas present choices.

Except that the missionaries of today are trying to sell MT and space barbies.

We were all happy paying our monthly $$ and playing along with our FiS in EVE. Then you came along telling us that we were not happy att all ... no no ... what we experienced was not "true" happiness .... Though, if we would only succumb to the power of AUR we could become truly happy by spending more time in CQ and NEX playing space barbies instead of flying spaceships in space.

Just one problem: there are no alternatives, and as long as one steals from the other, they can't really coexist peacefullyGǪ

Incarna is an example of your way of thinking (zero content outside the NeX store)
Crucible is an example of our way of thinking (all content in the eve client.)

Really people are smart enough to take their pick.

GǪexcept that the only thing that needs to be thrown out is the NeX since it serves absolutely no purpose. It is not needed for anything. All it does is remove gameplay content.

You are the one making it extreme here by believing that the NeX cannot be jettisoned without affecting anything else.

The industry that the creation of the NeX items could generate.

which is not gameplay; it's just stuff without gameplay, and the content itself is completely separate from the NeX. it doesn't need the NeX to exist (but that's hardly surprising GÇö nothing needs the NeX because the NeX doesn't serve any gameplay purpose).

Good thing I'm not doing that then GÇö you are saying that trying to get rid of the NeX is akin to GÇ£throw[ing] the baby out with the bathwaterGÇ¥ after all.

You are the one saying that, if it's not going to the NeX, it's going to FiS. So yes, you are the one who's claiming that the NeX cannot be jettisoned on its own.

It doesn't have to be, no

the clothes did indeed exist; before the NeX, so did the industry.....It doesn't enable anything.....It has nothing to do with EVE at all

Removing it would have zero effect on the game.

you are the one who's claiming that the NeX cannot be jettisoned on its own.

Yes: you. Because you are so fixated on thinking that two completely separate things are one and the same.

It is inherently a game-destroying thing. The NeX doesn't have to be removed in the same sense as CCP doesn't have to keep the servers open.

Sure you would. Without the NeX, the industry and market would provide it instead, as previously conceptualised.

The reason is simple: it is not needed for anything.

GǪand that's obviously wrong since they have nothing to do with each other.

You can scrap NEX tomorrow and simply move the clothing to factional LP stores. This is not a great deal of work. And the immediate payoff is a better intergrated system that will still put clothes on the market for you to buy - if you want to buy these things in cash you can convert plex and do it. But the point is they will come from player activity in gameplay and eve as a whole will be the richer for it.

The problem with your "peaceful coexistence" argument is that many see NeX as a thief stealing our subs money and charging us for the content we should have had in the first place.

You've spent the majority of this conversation being intentionally obtuse. Your argument is weak and your opinions are unfounded. And you know it. Stop embarrassing yourself.

NeX is entirely superfluous and overly circuitous since it could be done far better (and far more interestingly) through other means. Again: there already is something else to supply the exact same service as the NeX GÇö the market. Providing what you want can be done at the flip of a switch.

Disdaine is either trolling or just very ********.

By his brain dead logic, why be able to manufacture ammunition, crystals, drones, missiles, scripts, or anything else that is worth less than 1.3 bil isk (the monocle), when it could be instead bought from NEX with real $$$?

If he wants CCP to do that so bad, maybe this game needs to be F2P, I would be able to accept everything costing real money, then.

I thought that Eve players are intelligent, but they seem to be getting more ******** each year.

Also, I have no parents, **** you.

So join me in asking CCP to replace the NeX store as a priority - with all existing and unpublished content going into the faction loyalty point stores. Problem solved.

I can preface my posts with an ASCII ***** if that would make you more comfortable with my alliance tag.

But the fact that you've resorted to personal attacks is a clear indication that you're not here to represent any particular perspective. You're just looking to get a rise from people.

As trolling goes, this is pretty mundane. Aspire to greater things.