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Sir Khan	Posted - 2007.01.09 16:50:00 - [1] Edited by: Sir Khan on 09/01/2007 16:50:07 Edited by: Sir Khan on 09/01/2007 16:49:24 lately ive heard a lot of forum posters saying " Reputation is everything in this game. personaly imho its bull**** reputation in this game means nothing as long as character sales , and name changes and or portrait swapping are allowed. have you robbed a corp lately , np just either sell it if no one will take it or rename it. character portrait changes also allow you to leave a past behind, you can say hey that wasnt me, especially after doing the following to rid yourself o fcertain corp histories. if you dont want to sell it but already have two accounts just put a fake auction up and use an alt to "buy" it- insta laundered reputation but what about corp history you say. well no problem, im pretty sure with a bit of effort you can go through the max that the character sheet allows eventually erasing any undesirable resume stopoffs with corps you dont want associated with . so tell me , how does reputation really matter now.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:00:00 - [2] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 09/01/2007 16:56:57 Originally by: Sir Khan Edited by: Sir Khan on 09/01/2007 16:50:07 Edited by: Sir Khan on 09/01/2007 16:49:24 lately ive heard a lot of forum posters saying " Reputation is everything in this game. personaly imho its bull**** reputation in this game means nothing as long as character sales , and name changes and or portrait swapping are allowed. have you robbed a corp lately , np just either sell it if no one will take it or rename it. character portrait changes also allow you to leave a past behind, you can say hey that wasnt me, especially after doing the following to rid yourself o fcertain corp histories. if you dont want to sell it but already have two accounts just put a fake auction up and use an alt to "buy" it- insta laundered reputation but what about corp history you say. well no problem, im pretty sure with a bit of effort you can go through the max that the character sheet allows eventually erasing any undesirable resume stopoffs with corps you dont want associated with . so tell me , how does reputation really matter now. Reputation is what you do, not what you don't do. "Buying a new character" resets your reputation to nothing. It does not mean that you now have a good reputation--it means you have no reputation at all. Having no reputation at all is easy: having a good reputation built by years of effort and trust is not, and few people with that kind of trust will sacrifice it for anything. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)

Libertina ISD STAR Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:01:00 - [3] Then we're lucky that especially Character name changes are not allowed, aren't we?

Beef Hardslab The 5 Amigo's LLC.	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:04:00 - [4] I don't know why you would think selling a character or changing their portrait would have any effect on that character's reputation. If I find I dislike someone, I don't give a damn what their face looks like, nor will I change my standings with that character just because it's been claimed to have been sold to someone else.
Niccolado Starwalker Shadow Templars	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:20:00 - [5] Reputation means more then you know. Think of what reputation BoB have in the game. A lot of people dont want to get on their bad side. Why? They have a reputation for being honest kickass pvp players. What about VETO and Merchenary Coalition? They got a dam good reputation too. What about BIG? They who create the expensive carriers? Their reputation is litterally worth BILLIONS. ANd they have to take good care of it too, beacuase their customers have to pay for the ship in advance, and if they start scamming, they would be out of business. We are not only speaking reputation as per person, but take SirMolle, Selene, CYVOK. Their reputation precedes them a big time. They have all set their mark on EVE, one way or other. And in my opinion, I would give everything I owned to have as good reputation as these guys. Reputation = I win button EvE +NLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER
prsr Gallente JuBa Corp	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:22:00 - [6] Name changes aren't allowed, character portraits can be changed and characters can be sold though. Try starting an IPO with a character you just bought if you want to see how reputation matters. -- .sig apathy ftw
Sir Khan	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:24:00 - [7] Edited by: Sir Khan on 09/01/2007 17:24:02 Originally by: Libertina Then we're lucky that especially Character name changes are not allowed, aren't we? then why is the option available in billing , nm looks like they removed the option , but it was there at one point. either way an auction fake or real would nullify a bad reputation. and ofc you would start over at at no reputation. but with the discipline of say a guided hand social club member , does it matter at all. especially forum reputations. most people dont read them all that much , or only in passing if they do , or first and last posts. tbh reputation is just somehting you like to use to say gasp omg you shouldnt do that it will affect your reputation. the reality of the matter is that reputation only matters to those who look into it and is easily subverted, or made new
Sir Khan	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:33:00 - [8] Originally by: prsr Name changes aren't allowed, character portraits can be changed and characters can be sold though. Try starting an IPO with a character you just bought if you want to see how reputation matters. try it with a 4 year old beta character, it will still flop 9/10 times. the truth is the only people to sucessfully trade in stock and such like in rl markets is iss and only because they were the first.
prsr Gallente JuBa Corp	Posted - 2007.01.09 17:56:00 - [9] Originally by: Sir Khan Originally by: prsr Name changes aren't allowed, character portraits can be changed and characters can be sold though. Try starting an IPO with a character you just bought if you want to see how reputation matters. try it with a 4 year old beta character, it will still flop 9/10 times. the truth is the only people to sucessfully trade in stock and such like in rl markets is iss and only because they were the first. How hard it is to do a succesful IPO is not the topic, I pointed out that reputation matters in this game and used a scenario where reputation - or the ability to gain trust - is essential to point it out to you. The word IPO can be replaced with whatever favor you would want to get ahead in this game, be it ISK, goods, territory or a night with 500 exotic dancers. As DS mentioned, you might be able to get rid of a bad (or any) reputation quite quickly (which is def. not the ideal situation), however that doesn't mean you can't build and expand on a good reputation. -- .sig apathy ftw
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.01.09 18:02:00 - [10] It may be slightly too easy to escape from a bad reputation, but a good reputation (well whatever you consider a good reputation anyway) is invaluable. Reputation is very high on the list of things I'm working on. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Corp/Alliance Services
DarkMatter Amarr Mineral Aquisition Group	Posted - 2007.01.09 18:10:00 - [11] I think it's best to not pay too much attention to one's reputation in EVE... I think they tend to get taken to the extreme at both ends, good and bad... I guess I pretty much ignore reputation until I meet someone in-game, on TS, MSN, or have a forum discussion with them, etc... Building the homestead
ScreamingLord Sutch Hand in Mouth	Posted - 2007.01.09 18:27:00 - [12] Oh yes, lets change corp 46 times to erase a dodgy corp from our history. What muppet would not question that?
Nicocat Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2007.01.09 18:31:00 - [13] I found ollobrains. I wanted to feed him mountains of good ol' fashioned Barrage. Why? His reputation ;) ---------------------------- Originally by: Splagada SEED ME DADDY WTB: Friggin' portrait
Forum Joe	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:10:00 - [14] Originally by: Sir Khan especially forum reputations. Each month I "reprocess" my forum posting alt, and make a new one. I do this because before, on other games, I used forum reputation A LOT, wich led to me stupid flame wars with stupid people, and horrible in-game wars with them. This is an error I won't do again. I stay out of in-game politics, and just dicuss over eve-related subjects like any "forum joe" user. It's a kind of freedom I find refreshing, to be sure that I can say what I think without having a schizophrenic guy try to pod me in-game because I argued with him over some unimportant subject...

Chribba Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:17:00 - [15] Originally by: Thor Xian It may be slightly too easy to escape from a bad reputation, but a good reputation (well whatever you consider a good reputation anyway) is invaluable. /signed Buy EVE history and get Otherworld shares

jbob2000 Gallente KIA Corp	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:18:00 - [16] Originally by: Forum Joe Originally by: Sir Khan especially forum reputations. Each month I "reprocess" my forum posting alt, and make a new one. I do this because before, on other games, I used forum reputation A LOT, wich led to me stupid flame wars with stupid people, and horrible in-game wars with them. This is an error I won't do again. I stay out of in-game politics, and just dicuss over eve-related subjects like any "forum joe" user. It's a kind of freedom I find refreshing, to be sure that I can say what I think without having a schizophrenic guy try to pod me in-game because I argued with him over some unimportant subject... What does schizophrenia have anything to do with this? Nobody will take your arguments seriously if you post with an alt. Your arguments fail no matter how good they are because your an alt. Posting with a main shows that at least you have balls to speak your mind and if your mind is something people don't like, then you have the balls to defend yourself in game.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:23:00 - [17] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 09/01/2007 19:22:16 Having a name and sticking to it is very important. I can tell if someone is joking or not simply from their posting history and their personality on this forum. Simply because I remember the most frequent posters by name. Also it adds tons to the credibility to what they say. And it makes the forums a lot more personal and interesting when people know who you are. Im not sure why you would prefer anonymity if you are a nice guy who gets along with people. Isnt it nice that people know what you're like? Having a known name is like having a personality here. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Allakhazam
Danton Marcellus Nebula Rasa Holdings	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:45:00 - [18] Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 09/01/2007 19:45:26 Originally by: Libertina Then we're lucky that especially Character name changes are not allowed, aren't we? We'd be better off if they were with known alias' listed. As for selling characters, my beef is with the character, the change of hearts or minds so to speak behind it is none of my concern. So what if umlat changes hands, he'll always be KOS to me. Ourselves Alone
Sir Khan	Posted - 2007.01.09 20:52:00 - [19] Originally by: Danton Marcellus Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 09/01/2007 19:45:26 Originally by: Libertina Then we're lucky that especially Character name changes are not allowed, aren't we? We'd be better off if they were with known alias' listed. As for selling characters, my beef is with the character, the change of hearts or minds so to speak behind it is none of my concern. So what if umlat changes hands, he'll always be KOS to me. unless ofc your hte one that bought him or if his new owner is now in a corp or alliance that is + to you would you still feel that way when told your no longer allowed to shoot "x" because x's character was sold and is now owned by a friendly.
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.01.09 20:57:00 - [20] sudden obsession over this q uite lame really doesnt matter move onto real issues like endless lag
Layla Dark and Light inc. D-L	Posted - 2007.01.09 21:01:00 - [21] I have often thought it would be nice to have a system that works in the opposite direction to bounties; that the pleased customer or pvper that says gf, could make some award for reputation. It would be nice to do something positive for other players for a change. Okay, you can now point out the myriad inherent flaws in such a scheme, but I still maintain that it would be nice to have one :)
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.09 21:06:00 - [22] For most of us in EVE, having no reputation (because you've bought your char, or have a million billion corps inn your history) is just as bad as having a bad reputation- it'll get you nothing. A GOOD reputation is everything in EVE. Look at Innominate Nightmare, for example- he gets away with docking rights in every major alliances HQ (including known enemies of friends of his), gets gifts from all sorts of people, and managed to make billions on an IPO (which, self proclaimed, was for absolutely nothing) all because he is well known and has a good reputation. That wouldn't happen if no-one had ever heard of him, would it? -----------------------------------------------
Tarkan Kador Amarr PanTarkan Kador Holdings	Posted - 2007.01.09 21:20:00 - [23] Someday, the top 100 posters with "good" reputations are going to call someone a scammer, and have it stick, whether the accused scammed, or not. In my opinion, the reason we have so much vile play in EVE is not because the developers allow it, but because we in EVE value good reputations too much, and good actions too little. You don't need to scam to become a scammer, when you value reputation above all other things. If enough people call you one, then you are a scammer, whether you really scam, or not. Nor do you need to be good to get a good reputation. If enough people call you good, then you can do wicked things, and have them be called good. The ones with the good reputations are the ones that I trust the least in EVE. Even if I can prove they scammed me, or were unjust to me and others, nobody would believe me, or care. The bottom line is that reputation is not the most important thing, as far as I'm concerned. Whether you gain it, keep it, or lose it depends on others, more than yourself.
Nir The Doldrums	Posted - 2007.01.09 21:45:00 - [24] Edited by: Nir on 09/01/2007 21:42:35 Originally by: Libertina Then we're lucky that especially Character name changes are not allowed, aren't we? Cool, how long have you been a member of ISD? Edit: To clarify, plenty of people have had their names changed. Its great being Amarr and flying NosDoms, Isn't it?!
Forum Joe	Posted - 2007.01.10 10:04:00 - [25] Originally by: jbob2000 Nobody will take your arguments seriously if you post with an alt. Your arguments fail no matter how good they are because your an alt. "You cannot find arkonor roids in Jita"
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.01.10 10:12:00 - [26] Originally by: Forum Joe Originally by: jbob2000 Nobody will take your arguments seriously if you post with an alt. Your arguments fail no matter how good they are because your an alt. "You cannot find arkonor roids in Jita" Is that a point? Doesn't really look like a good one. What jbob was probably trying to say is that alts have no credibility. So whatever they say is worthless in any meaningful argument/conversation/debate. There is a reason alts are screened from the Corp/Alliance Discussion Forum. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Corp/Alliance Services
Laythun Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.10 10:15:00 - [27] Credibility is everything. Reputation is everything. Seriously, when people say 'oh i know that guy from the forums hes X Y Z' then you will understand. The forum persona goes hand in hand with the ingame persona. CEI's own Undercover Brother [MIA] It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.10 11:09:00 - [28] Reputation is everything. Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori It's great being Amarr, ain't it?
Frug SYOID Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.01.10 12:18:00 - [29] Reputation is what you do, not what you don't do. Exactly. - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - -
Ghoest	Posted - 2007.01.10 12:25:00 - [30] Reputation is as important as your circle of influence is big. Not many people are very influential. Wherever you went - here you are.

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