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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.01.10 12:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Nir
Edited by: Nir on 09/01/2007 21:42:35
Originally by: Libertina
Then we're lucky that especially Character name changes are not allowed, aren't we?
Cool, how long have you been a member of ISD? 
Edit: To clarify, plenty of people have had their names changed.
And how many of these where because the player requested it them self? Yes names have been changed when they where violating the EULA.
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StarStryder
Wise Guys
Rogue Method Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.10 13:55:00 -
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Originally by: Thor Xian
What jbob was probably trying to say is that alts have no credibility. So whatever they say is worthless in any meaningful argument/conversation/debate. There is a reason alts are screened from the Corp/Alliance Discussion Forum.
Reputation matters for discussions about in game happenings but not so much for technical discussions. This is why alts are screened from Corp/Alliance but not from the others. You don't need to have any reputation to make valid points about balancing issues or ship setups. The points make should speak for themselves.
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Forum Joe
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Posted - 2007.01.10 14:37:00 -
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Edited by: Forum Joe on 10/01/2007 14:34:50
Originally by: Thor Xian
Originally by: Forum Joe
Originally by: jbob2000
Nobody will take your arguments seriously if you post with an alt. Your arguments fail no matter how good they are because your an alt.
"You cannot find arkonor roids in Jita"
Is that a point? Doesn't really look like a good one.
It's a private joke: a joke meant only to be understood by those able to understand it.
It's also a point, in favor of showing why using forum alts is the only way to go on the official forums. Build your reputation in-game, but never post here, use your alliance or oher websites forums. Separate yourself from the crowd, given that people seeing you talking with this crowd will think that you are at the same level. Wich, considering those forums, would be an intellectual death sentence.
Of course, it's only an alt's opinion, isn't it? 
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Daddy's Belt
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.01.10 14:41:00 -
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Originally by: Forum Joe
Build your reputation in-game, but never post here, use your alliance or oher websites forums. Separate yourself from the crowd, given that people seeing you talking with this crowd will think that you are at the same level. Wich, considering those forums, would be an intellectual death sentence.
Wow, someone is really, really scared. You gave him the fear, fellas.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.10 15:04:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
.. Simply because I remember the most frequent posters by name. Also it adds tons to the credibility to what they say.
Even me? 
Playing Caldari-Online as a Amarr specced is PURE Hardcore (aka. stupid).
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Ethereal Eclipse
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Posted - 2007.01.10 15:11:00 -
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Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
but take SirMolle, Selene, CYVOK. Their reputation precedes them a big time.
ive never heard of them so obviouly not.
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Flyyn
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2007.01.10 15:21:00 -
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In this game? You guys make me laugh....Not only is your Reputation very low but Respect is even lower. Eve Players are known to be gankers, griefers, and thieves.
Maybe you all posted to many pictures of yourselves.....
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Nyrram
Minmatar
Quam Singulari
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.10 16:33:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Libertina
Then we're lucky that especially Character name changes are not allowed, aren't we?
*cough* zZap = Lord Zap *cough*
Does he even fly anymore?
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.01.10 16:38:00 -
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Originally by: Ethereal Eclipse
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
but take SirMolle, Selene, CYVOK. Their reputation precedes them a big time.
ive never heard of them so obviouly not.
Think that says more about you than them but that's just me.
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Testicular Testes
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Posted - 2007.01.10 16:57:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Hoshi
Originally by: Ethereal Eclipse
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
but take SirMolle, Selene, CYVOK. Their reputation precedes them a big time.
ive never heard of them so obviouly not.
Think that says more about you than them but that's just me.
Why didn't you just quit DAB for another RAZOR corp? Pfft 
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Irrilian
Eve University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.01.10 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Libertina
Then we're lucky that especially Character name changes are not allowed, aren't we?
Who needs a name change when all you need to do is purchase a new character via official sanctioned sell order forum character sales?
Though CCP likes to tout scams, betrayals and thievery as an element of the game frankly its a bit of a farce when all you need to do to launder goods is pass them to an alt and to launder a reputation simply purchase a new character via official sanctioned sell order forum character sales, wait for the heat to die down a bit and palm off your old character on some unsuspecting sap.
One side of the coin in avoiding being scammed or stolen from is taking care who you place your trust in and making use of what little tools there are in game to limit the impact of any betrayal. Unfortunately the other side of the coin is missing, the ability to trace and track down goods, isk and even people, an element on consequence.
Risk vs reward is an oft quote maxim by which activities are compared e.g. high sec mission running compared to low sec mission running compared to 0.0 life, yet I see little or no risk with the more seedy side of the game.
A suggestion: ôMy name's Marlowe. General Sternwood wanted to see me.ö or, PIs and Forensic Accountants: adding risk vs reward for scams and thievery
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Clementina
Eye of God
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Posted - 2007.01.10 17:28:00 -
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Reputation is overrated. I can purchase an alt on the sell forums and have a brand new reputation for the cost of a few isk. Or I could roll an alt and do the same thing (for the cost of all my skill points).
What reputation is is a tool. If you keep to your agreements, are somewhat generous, and have a few kills listed on a killboard somewhere, you can always find someone willing to take your reputation as good.
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Digitalfox
Central Defiance
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2007.01.10 18:16:00 -
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Originally by: Libertina
Then we're lucky that especially Character name changes are not allowed, aren't we?
and ofc you would start over at at no reputation. but with the
discipline of say a guided hand social club member , does it matter at all.
Funny you would use the reputation of this corp to make a point about how reputation doesnt matter, just an observation.
And yes reputation does mean alot, if it matters out side of eve is another question. Only in the extreem cases of say, GHSC with fame in the gamming comunity and several articals in widely known publications.
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.10 18:19:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Clementina
Reputation is overrated. I can purchase an alt on the sell forums and have a brand new reputation for the cost of a few isk. Or I could roll an alt and do the same thing (for the cost of all my skill points).
As I said before, that does not give you a good reputation, that gives you no reputation at all.
Anyone who thinks "no reputation" = "good reputation" is asking to get his corp hangar robbed.
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Anndy
Caldari
Praetorian Black Guard
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Posted - 2007.01.10 18:31:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Clementina
Reputation is overrated. I can purchase an alt on the sell forums and have a brand new reputation for the cost of a few isk. Or I could roll an alt and do the same thing (for the cost of all my skill points).
As I said before, that does not give you a good reputation, that gives you no reputation at all.
Anyone who thinks "no reputation" = "good reputation" is asking to get his corp hangar robbed.
that doesnt help you much, that is basicly the reset button, and if you have rep bad enough to need to reset then chances are you'll just get a bad rep again
your rep means so much in this game, i could go on for hours listing all the ways it can effect you
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Clementina
Eye of God
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Posted - 2007.01.10 19:00:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Originally by: Clementina
Reputation is overrated. I can purchase an alt on the sell forums and have a brand new reputation for the cost of a few isk. Or I could roll an alt and do the same thing (for the cost of all my skill points).
As I said before, that does not give you a good reputation, that gives you no reputation at all.
Anyone who thinks "no reputation" = "good reputation" is asking to get his corp hangar robbed.
I've seen people who's reputations were dead or a reasonable facsimile thereof wind up in brand new corps. As long as you are not an *******, someone will take your reputation as good regardless of what it is.
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Hoshi
Blackguard Brigade
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Posted - 2007.01.10 19:15:00 -
[47]
Originally by: Testicular Testes
Why didn't you just quit DAB for another RAZOR corp? Pfft
Maybe because I didn't quit because I disliked dab (which I didn't, very nice corp) but because of the offer I got from bgbr. Pearls or diamonds, hard choice but I think I made the right one.
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Valrandir
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.10 21:10:00 -
[48]
- It is not possible to rename a character
- A good corp history is also a short corp history. Going to the max to overwrite would create a terrible history.
- When a well known pilot sell his character, is it well known in EvE and few can fooled.
Is there something you don't like about reputation being important in EvE?
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Tarkan Kador
Amarr
PanTarkan Kador Holdings
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Posted - 2007.01.11 01:45:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Valrandir
Is there something you don't like about reputation being important in EvE?
The reason I don't like reputation being important in EVE is the same reason Dentara Rast enjoyed reputation being important in EVE. Its the appearance of being good, honest, loyal, powerful, etc., without ever having to be those things in truth. I mean, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how easily we can be tricked into believing something that isn't true, simply because its convincingly sold to us.
Let me ask you all a question. Which one of these players would you rather have in your corp?
1) The pilot who is a good pilot, loyal pilot, honest pilot; but has the reputation of being a bad pilot, treasonous pilot, lying pilot.
or
2) The pilot who is a bad pilot, treasonous pilot, lying pilot; but has the reputation of being a good pilot, loyal pilot, honest pilot.
Because the quality of the pilot is not the same as the image of quality. If you think that it is, then scammers wouldn't be able to scam anyone.
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Tom Nealon
Gallente
Tommy Gunners
Interstellar Starbase Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.12 02:53:00 -
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Originally by: Ethereal Eclipse
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
but take SirMolle, Selene, CYVOK. Their reputation precedes them a big time.
ive never heard of them so obviouly not.
The total godess has spoken everyone! Now pay heed!
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vanBuskirk
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.12 11:55:00 -
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Nobody's ever heard of my main. I like it that way.
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TheZiggy
Caldari
Star Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.01.12 12:28:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Tarkan Kador
The reason I don't like reputation being important in EVE is the same reason Dentara Rast enjoyed reputation being important in EVE. Its the appearance of being good, honest, loyal, powerful, etc., without ever having to be those things in truth. I mean, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see how easily we can be tricked into believing something that isn't true, simply because its convincingly sold to us.
What he did took an awful lot of work using alts and maybe even a few friends, who may or may not have known what he was really doing. You only have to look at the story that Currin Trading told about his scam to realise just how much work it takes to build up a fake reputation.
Once you're busted though, all those characters connected to that scam get a bad reputation, which can't be easily undone. However rich you become from doing it, it means if you ever want to have a character with reputation you'll have to start work from the ground up again, and make sure noone, but noone can ever connect you back to your past.
If you look at both of those scams, they are just too good to be true really. I was one who received an ingame mail from Currin Trading and binned it because it was too good to be true. I also checked the site for the intergalactic bank, and as impressive as all those figures sounded, I couldn't see how it was worth putting several hundred million into what could have been scam, and turned out to be one. In fact, what made me most suspicious was how good some of the made up figures were. I was doing some heavy production and selling at the time, to keep that level up with only that many people in so many areas was too much in my eyes.
They faked their reputations, and many, particularly those looking for an easy way to make more isk, with a perceived zero risk, fell for that. Maybe I was lucky in not being greedy, and just believe I saw through these scams, and gave the reputations no creedence before it blew up.
I still believe that reputation is a huge thing in Eve, but it's sheer greed that allows people to be taken in by the purely manufactured reputations.
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