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Naasimi Kaitan
Iron Sky Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.25 18:07:46 -
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I am just returning to EvE with a new account after a few years, and I recently decided to set my sights on becoming proficient at solo PVP. I have my ship, fitting, and skill plan all worked out, and I wanted to see what people thought of the fit, as well as what I should be doing while I wait the 600ish days for all my skills to train. My goal is to fly the Orthrus because from what I've seen, it looks like an excellent solo PVP ship, but honestly, it's mostly because it just looks so darn cool.
Here's the fit (And yes, I do understand that it's pretty expensive):
[Orthrus Solo PVP]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Large Shield Extender II
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400
Corelum C-Type 50MN Microwarpdrive
Republic Fleet Warp Scrambler
Caldari Navy Warp Disruptor
Caldari Navy Light Missile Launcher
Caldari Navy Light Missile Launcher
Caldari Navy Light Missile Launcher
Caldari Navy Light Missile Launcher
Caldari Navy Light Missile Launcher
Imperial Navy Medium Energy Neutralizer
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Hornet EC-300 x5
And now for a couple questions:
1. I'm assuming that this fit would be good for fighting frigates, and currently, it puts out 233dps. What size ships should I focus on fighting with this setup?
2. If I remove the XLASB, replace it with another LSE II, and switch to HAM launchers, what kind of ships can I expect to stand up against, being mostly speed and range tanked?
And finally, my biggest question:
3. What should I be doing between now and the time that I can actually fly this thing from a skills point of view? |
Titus Heldane
Militaris Industries
Northern Coalition.
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Posted - 2015.11.25 18:20:59 -
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id use rapid lights. dump a med neut, get an ancillary or use a low slot but get rapid lights. you can easily get 600 dps with an orthrus applied perfectly to any frigs. it is getting a big dps nerf in december though so itll be less strong but still pretty damn cancerous. HAMs are a bad idea due to bad application compared to rapids. if youre bored you can train into a derptron and join a newbie corp like Brave, Northern Army or Pandemic Horde. |
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
Snuffed Out
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Posted - 2015.11.25 18:28:06 -
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Problems:
- It's too needlessly expensive in some areas. Don't use faction (or any kind of "special") weaponry. You will get more bang for your buck with Tech II weapons
- You are using Frigate/Destroyer weaponry on a Cruiser. Trade up for Rapid Light Launchers at the very least. If you want to take on more beefy targets, go with Heavy Missiles (not Heavy Assault Missiles, those are short range).
- Everythig else looks okay... but you are going to have to make some tradeoffs when you fit better weapons.
To answer your questions directly;
1a. With your current fit, Frigates will be about the only things you can kill. And maybe not even that if they can tank ~200 dps.
2a. You can feasibly kill Destroyers and some Cruisers... but this is assuming that you are not dog piled and summarily executed (hint; people HATE the Orthus. When they see it, they either run away or call for back-up).
3a. Join up with a PvP corporation... fly in fast, kitey, missile ships (ex: Kestrel, Hookbill, Corax, Osprey Navy Issue, etc).... and learn the tactics, the feel, and the meta-game.
Understand, even the best solo pilots had to learn somehwere (and often from someone). Raw talent (see; skillpoints) won't help you if you don't know how to use it properly.
How did you Veterans start?
The Skillpoint System and You
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Naasimi Kaitan
Iron Sky Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.25 19:57:43 -
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Thank you both for the advice. I made a couple changes to my loadout and it looks much better. |
Naasimi Kaitan
Iron Sky Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.25 20:04:26 -
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Another quick question, is flying a Garmur as practice for eventually flying the Orthrus worth it, or should I just go directly for the Orthrus? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
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Posted - 2015.11.25 20:36:50 -
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Sort of, think about a rapid light crackle*/navy crackle and or Cerberus as they can be fit in the same way and sort of fill the same role.
Practice with those will be several orders of magnitude cheaper, if you limit yourself to t2 mods and maby a cheap faction module or two.
*that's what it's called after a bear or two.
Better the Devil you know.
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Paranoid Loyd
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Posted - 2015.11.25 20:50:29 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:*that's what it's called after a bear or two. You ate two bears? You must be full.
"Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata
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Iyokus Patrouette
Sudden Buggery
600
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Posted - 2015.11.25 22:02:35 -
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Needs more links.
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Naasimi Kaitan
Iron Sky Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.25 22:23:22 -
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While practicing, should I limit myself to T2 mods for everything or just the most expensive stuff? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
12864
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Posted - 2015.11.25 22:57:47 -
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Depending upon your income and skill.
When you're exploding less than the other guy I might start thinking about it.
And even then personally I don't like hanging much isk on hacs or navy cruisers.
Pirate ones and t3's I'm confident in yes absolutely but I tend to keep the rest cheap(ish)
Do you have an alt account you can run simultaneously with your main?
If so I would seriously consider training it into a boosting ship.
Better the Devil you know.
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Naasimi Kaitan
Iron Sky Federation
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Posted - 2015.11.25 23:36:59 -
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Thanks for the advice, everybody. I'm rethinking going for solo right away, and I think I'll look into joining a corp like Brave. I know this is something I could research myself, but about how long would it take to train an effective alt booster? |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
12864
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Posted - 2015.11.26 00:08:48 -
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T3 cruiser with a covert ops cloak and scanning abilities you're looking about six(ish) months if you map it correctly,
more for a command ship obviously.
Better the Devil you know.
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elitatwo
Eve Minions
The-Company
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Posted - 2015.11.26 06:36:03 -
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ShahFluffers wrote:...-very good advice-
3a. Join up with a PvP corporation... fly in fast, kitey, missile ships (ex: Kestrel, Hookbill,
-->Corax, ..
Shah dear, I usually agree with you but you said fast and Corax in one sentence 
I think you meant the upcoming Stork, she will be fast and kitey - oh YES.
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Switch Savage
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
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Posted - 2015.11.26 11:19:01 -
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This is how you fit an Orthrus.
[Orthrus, Standard Orthrus]
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
50MN Microwarpdrive II
Dread Guristas Warp Scrambler
Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Light Missile
[empty high slot]
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
You can downgrade the long point to T2 but i would suggest keeping the scram faction. Scram is to be used defensively heated to prevent tackle making contact.
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elitatwo
Eve Minions
The-Company
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Posted - 2015.11.26 11:46:38 -
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Switch Savage wrote:This is how you fit an Orthrus.... -rapid launcher meta fit of the year-
So you are saying heavy missiles are bad?
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2015.11.26 12:26:32 -
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elitatwo wrote:Switch Savage wrote:This is how you fit an Orthrus.... -rapid launcher meta fit of the year- So you are saying heavy missiles are bad?
He said nothing about HML...
I know you know the costs of fitting HML's on an Orthus.
RLML are readily the more apparent and better choice for an Orthrus bar none right now.
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elitatwo
Eve Minions
The-Company
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Posted - 2015.11.26 23:56:38 -
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Valkin Mordirc wrote:elitatwo wrote:Switch Savage wrote:This is how you fit an Orthrus.... -rapid launcher meta fit of the year- So you are saying heavy missiles are bad? He said nothing about HML... I know you know the costs of fitting HML's on an Orthus. RLML are readily the more apparent and better choice for an Orthrus bar none right now.
That's not what I meant. I meant that heavy missiles are supposed to be the long range "gun" for the Orthrus but for a reason I almost cannot fathom it is unusable so we have to make do with frigate guns.
Was nothing against Switch - The Tuskers know very well what they are doing, so no worries here - it's just you have to use frigate guns to shoot everything and up.
Odd isn't it?
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Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
2100
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Posted - 2015.11.27 09:50:06 -
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in 600 days I doubt the orthrus will be in the same condition it is now. heck it is getting nerfed a bit in a week or two.
my advice, get a caracal and try that. fit it with t2/meta4 gear and see what you like/dislike. then maybe try a scythe fleet issue for a bit more speed.
and rapid lights are cruiser mods with frigate application. last I saw RLML out damaged HML on a bunch of typical targets. I kinda like HAMs, but not sure othrus is the right platform for them, doesn't really range match, and without a painter/web I question their application potential.
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
12874
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Posted - 2015.11.27 11:15:34 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:in 600 days I doubt the orthrus will be in the same condition it is now. heck it is getting nerfed a bit in a week or two.
my advice, get a caracal and try that. fit it with t2/meta4 gear and see what you like/dislike. then maybe try a scythe fleet issue for a bit more speed.
and rapid lights are cruiser mods with frigate application. last I saw RLML out damaged HML on a bunch of typical targets. I kinda like HAMs, but not sure othrus is the right platform for them, doesn't really range match, and without a painter/web I question their application potential.
It is, or I should say I'm not clever enough to get it to work that way.
I really really want to make it a ham brawler but i just suck at it soo badly,
it's either paper thin with good application or has shag all dps whenever I try to fit it for that.
I'd love a brawling fit for it it if anyone has a combat proven one.
Better the Devil you know.
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Johnny Riko
Jump Drive Appreciation Society
Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.11.27 13:59:54 -
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It's perfectly fine to have a long term goal of flying an Orthrus, however you should have many short term goals as you progress to that.
IMO you should start off in frigates and move your way up. Start by flying kitey missile frigates like the Caldari T1 frigates. Then once you've gotten the hang of those and your core skills good enough you can graduate into navy/pirate faction ships like the Garmur. I would only consider moving into Cruiser sized vessels once you've really got a hang of frigate sized PVP.
Edit:
Ignore everyone telling you to train a booster, off-grid links are being removed very shortly.
I wanna join up. I think I got what it takes to be a Citizen.
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Nad'x Hapax
Hapaxa
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Posted - 2015.11.27 17:30:10 -
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Naasimi Kaitan wrote:Thanks for the advice, everybody. I'm rethinking going for solo right away, and I think I'll look into joining a corp like Brave. I know this is something I could research myself, but about how long would it take to train an effective alt booster?
Tbh Brave aint a good place to learn solo simply because ull end up learning from the usual fleet f1 mentality. Try RvB, better for that |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
12880
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Posted - 2015.11.27 19:01:14 -
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Johnny Riko wrote:
Ignore everyone telling you to train a booster, off-grid links are being removed very shortly.
Got a source for that?
Better the Devil you know.
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Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel
EvE-Scout Enclave
2102
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Posted - 2015.11.27 22:36:07 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Johnny Riko wrote:
Ignore everyone telling you to train a booster, off-grid links are being removed very shortly.
Got a source for that?
highly doubt it, but one of the things they said they could do with brain in a box was a move to on grid boosting, and/or various other changes to boosting. and I've seen a whole bunch of ideas floated around for various other changes to boosting. As to what CCP is thinking, well you know what they say about magic crystal balls.
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Valkin Mordirc
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Posted - 2015.11.28 11:09:37 -
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I don't know where people are hearing OGB is being removed,
I keep hearing about it though, this is like the 4th time in passing that I've heard it mentioned.
Maybe it's because of the grid changes or something.
But my sources have proven pretty good so far. *shrugs*
#DeleteTheWeak
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W0lf Crendraven
Welfcorp
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Posted - 2015.11.28 12:41:06 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:Ralph King-Griffin wrote:Johnny Riko wrote:
Ignore everyone telling you to train a booster, off-grid links are being removed very shortly.
Got a source for that? highly doubt it, but one of the things they said they could do with brain in a box was a move to on grid boosting, and/or various other changes to boosting. and I've seen a whole bunch of ideas floated around for various other changes to boosting. As to what CCP is thinking, well you know what they say about magic crystal balls.
There was a definite statement thats is goign to be gone very shortly. |
Demerius Xenocratus
Rapid Withdrawal
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Posted - 2015.11.28 19:19:10 -
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OGB is going. Straight from the horse's (Fozzie) mouth on a stream I believe. The link is on the forums somewhere and there's also a reddit threadnaught.
The Orthrus is blob bait. And an expensive lossmail if you hit an instalock camp. Not a good place to start solo PvP. Best used for harassing frigate/destroyer blobs of questionable competence. RLML are a must; it doesn't have fitting for anything else and you're going to be primarily killing fast tackle anyway. Ship benefits hideously well from links and once they're gone it will continue to benefit heavily from snake implants. Poor cap life, dead if tackled for more than a second - it's a highly mobile hit and run machine designed to murder overconfident or overly courageous tackle.
If you want to practice that play style start with condors and Caracals. Garmur and orthrus are just those two hulls on pharmaceutical grade cocaine. |
Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
12885
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Posted - 2015.11.28 20:27:05 -
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last night one of my corpmates went and found the source
cheers smitty
http://www.twitch.tv/ccp/v/27816547 the whole stream can be ignored but in the last 5min fozzie states that links are likely going to become aoe,
combining that statement with them making grid size massive then yeah - off grid - boosting will be a thing of the past .
personally this wouldn't hurt me as mine are both neutral and stupidly obvious (not that iv ever hidden my use of them anyway)
so i shall still be boosting happily unless they make further changes to flagging and even then i can just bring them in house.
also worth mentioning that my booster alt is actually quite dangerous in its own right so i have plenty of uses for it
Better the Devil you know.
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Shvak
The Warp Core Stabilizers
Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2015.12.17 10:16:34 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:last night one of my corpmates went and found the source cheers smitty http://www.twitch.tv/ccp/v/27816547 the whole stream can be ignored but in the last 5min fozzie states that links are likely going to become aoe, combining that statement with them making grid size massive then yeah - off grid - boosting will be a thing of the past . personally this wouldn't hurt me as mine are both neutral and stupidly obvious (not that iv ever hidden my use of them anyway) so i shall still be boosting happily unless they make further changes to flagging and even then i can just bring them in house. also worth mentioning that my booster alt is actually quite dangerous in its own right so i have plenty of uses for it
With the increase in size of grids an on-grid booster is basically as good as being off grid. Yes with the right implants and skillsets you could possibly scan down the on-grid booster but some of the fits being test are close to impossible to lock even though they are on grid.
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