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Dr Slice MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.11 00:52:00 - [1] Been thinking about this lately after hearing some conversation between a couple of -10 sec stat guys who were in different Corps and not blue to each other. I have heard opinions supporting both sides, but I'd like to see what the rest of the Pirate community has to say concerning this matter. Is it correct for one outlaw to engage another, or should outlaws respect each other and refrain from engaging? Anyone who has pirated for a while knows that it can be rather difficult leading this life (no access to high sec except via alt, can be engaged by anyone without Concord/Sentry Gun interference, etc.) and to make things more difficult, we have to watch our backs from our fellow outlaws as well. I realize most Corps have an NBSI policy, but what happens when two outlaws without this policy cross paths, should they engage or simply greet one another and move on? Your thoughts please
TxShadow Boot Monkeys	Posted - 2007.01.11 00:56:00 - [2] I personally feel that they should. After all, their in it to grief others and get their hands on isk that they didnt earn, so... by any means necessary. So, yes, pirates should kill pirates.
Asha'Lil Minmatar The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.11 01:10:00 - [3] Originally by: TxShadow I personally feel that they should. After all, their in it to grief others and get their hands on isk that they didnt earn, so... by any means necessary. So, yes, pirates should kill pirates. How can you say they don't earn there isk? Its quite hard some times to kill a target. And at times its harder to EARN isk buy killing others then to mine. Each time I blow some ones ship up and loot there wreck I earned that loot. The guy I just popped could of just as well popped me. I think they should. I mean if you think about it, it makes since. Go... blow other pirates up. __________________________________ Stay still! This wont hurt... Yarr!
Gamble Dakota Immortalis Silens	Posted - 2007.01.11 01:32:00 - [4] Quote: ethical? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Ethical? We're murderers and thieves. Who cares? I find the correct answer is rarely the truthful one.
Ange1 Gallente The Establishment Establishment	Posted - 2007.01.11 01:39:00 - [5] I shoot whoever I want thats not in my corp Unless its Pylse... The Establishment is at your service...
drako markam Amarr Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.11 01:45:00 - [6] any opertunity to kill another player and profit from their loot should be taken. if they happen to be another pirate oh well. a day without blood is like a day without sunshine
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.11 01:50:00 - [7] I'm not a pirate I'm just anti ships. I also like to defend the helpless roids and NPC's people say they are meant to be destroyed. I say I am just giving them a fighting chance. Also any pile of sticks that says pirates don't earn their isk is truly ignorant. Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin
Stakhanov Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.11 02:29:00 - [8] It was the purpose of the Pirate Coalition to help pirates not shoot each other. But well , PC failed to keep outlaws united so no mercy. It is however a good idea to have pirate friends out of your corp , people you can reliably gang up with.
kublai TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.01.11 02:36:00 - [9] Before activating my warp scrambler I always ask myself, is this going against any universal code of ethics? Am I doing something wrong? I also ask the target wether or not his ship is carrying anything of value, or weaponry as there is just no way i'd ever fire upon an unarmed hauler or someone without a cargo, it's simply not ethical. http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0612/Forums_sig_for_kublai.jpg Sig removed, lacks game related content. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -Pirlouit
Cadela Fria Amarr eXin Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.11 02:49:00 - [10] Originally by: kublai Before activating my warp scrambler I always ask myself, is this going against any universal code of ethics? Am I doing something wrong? I also ask the target wether or not his ship is carrying anything of value, or weaponry as there is just no way i'd ever fire upon an unarmed hauler or someone without a cargo, it's simply not ethical. I'd like to know how many nanoseconds went by before you broke down laughing - -Knowledge is a priviledge, not a right - ....steals a cookie from the ISD cookie yarr >_>
Dr Slice MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.11 03:01:00 - [11] Edited by: Dr Slice on 11/01/2007 02:59:22 Originally by: kublai Before activating my warp scrambler I always ask myself, is this going against any universal code of ethics? Am I doing something wrong? I also ask the target wether or not his ship is carrying anything of value, or weaponry as there is just no way i'd ever fire upon an unarmed hauler or someone without a cargo, it's simply not ethical. It is funny; however, I will point out a few things to consider. 1. Historically, Pirates did not go out of their way to hunt each other. They were mainly interested in merchant shipping, capturing it's cargo and if time and conditions permitted, the ship itself as a 'prize'. It almost seemed as if there were an unspoken rule about engaging each other. 2. Specialty classes regardless if it's real life or a game, seem to have specific target selection in mind. Serial Killers for example, target a specific genre or category of victims, never each other. Hackers mainly target government systems and national/international business websites; high-profile Corporations. In EVE, it appears everyone is a target including fellow Pirates. So when I speak of ethics (Pirates of history had them) I'm speaking about having respect for a fellow outlaw's trade. Let me ask you, if you were a known outlaw and were being hunted, and you stumbled upon another known outlaw, would you rob him and take his stuff, team up with him for stronger chances of survival, or go about your separate ways?
kublai TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.01.11 03:07:00 - [12] Originally by: Dr Slice Originally by: kublai Before activating my warp scrambler I always ask myself, is this going against any universal code of ethics? Am I doing something wrong? I also ask the target wether or not his ship is carrying anything of value, or weaponry as there is just no way i'd ever fire upon an unarmed hauler or someone without a cargo, it's simply not ethical. It is funny, however I will point out a few things to consider. 1. Historically, Pirates did not go out of their way to hunt each other. They were mainly interested in merchant shipping, capturing it's cargo and if time and conditions permitted, the ship itself as a 'prize'. It almost seemed as if there were an unspoken rule about engaging each other. 2. Specialty classes regardless if it's real life or a game, seem to have specific target selection in mind. Serial Killers for example, target a specific genre or category of victims, never each other. Hackers mainly target government systems and national/international business websites; high-profile Corporations. In EVE, it appears everyone is a target including fellow Pirates. So when I speak of ethics (Pirates of history had them) I'm speaking about having respect for a fellow outlaw's trade. Let me ask you, if you were a known outlaw and were being hunted, and you stumbled upon another known outlaw, would you rob him and take his stuff, team up with him for stronger chances of survival, or go about your separate ways? Well, where to begin? Flying around in my space ship from outer space shooting sub-species of space-humans I often find myself thinking, how would long john silver feel about what i'm doing? I mean christ, i'm drinking quafe....real pirates would be drinking rum! I've been thinking alot about this lately, as drinking quafe really goes against what original pirates did, I often wonder if I should even call myself a pirate. I guess, I will haveto make a choise, quafe or the pirate title, because lets face it, i'm not playing my role well enough. Kublai. Ex-Pirate and Quafe addict http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0612/Forums_sig_for_kublai.jpg Sig removed, lacks game related content. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -Pirlouit
Devilish Ledoux Caldari eXin Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.11 03:10:00 - [13] Pirates in the age of sail didn't attack each other because they didn't have anything worth stealing most of the time. If they did, they were probably going to put up more than a little resistance if someone tried to take it away. There were plenty enough fat, floating grapes to take down to make hunting each other less than a good idea. Of course, if the salvage from a pirate ship had been better, different classes of pirate ship totally outclassed other ships, and if there hadn't been enough merchant ships to go around, who knows what would have happened? Predators are happy to leave each other alone until they start to run low on prey. _ Do Unto Others.
ReePeR McAllem Amarr The Carebear Stare Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.11 03:17:00 - [14] Originally by: Gamble Dakota Quote: ethical? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Ethical? We're murderers and thieves. Who cares? Damn you stole my thunder there coconuts...
Dr Slice MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.11 03:21:00 - [15] lol kublai, good to see some comic relief here Flames against me aside, I was simply curious what others thought about this concept and if there were other ideas or opinions. Devilish: Very good analogy about Predators being happy leaving each other alone until prey runs low. Anyone else have thoughts about this? (with the exception of more comedians )
kublai TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.01.11 03:25:00 - [16] Originally by: Dr Slice lol kublai, good to see some comic relief here Flames against me aside, I was simply curious what others thought about this concept and if there were other ideas or opinions. Devilish: Very good analogy about Predators being happy leaving each other alone until prey runs low. Anyone else have thoughts about this? (with the exception of more comedians ) Put simply, i'd shoot and pod you and probably forget to even loot your cargo i'd be smiling so much. http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0612/Forums_sig_for_kublai.jpg Sig removed, lacks game related content. Please contact [email protected] for more info (including a copy of your picture!) -Pirlouit
JoeT Amarr Short Attention Span	Posted - 2007.01.11 03:57:00 - [17] yes. kill them. not blue = not my freinds = people to kill to pad my wallet even more. Plus about 85% of the time, they will have better loot then the random people i kill in the belts or at the gates --- If i'm posting on the forums, it's mostly cause i'm at work :D
zeroh Caldari The Black Rabbits	Posted - 2007.01.11 04:00:00 - [18] Originally by: kublai Before activating my warp scrambler I always ask myself, is this going against any universal code of ethics? Am I doing something wrong? I also ask the target wether or not his ship is carrying anything of value, or weaponry as there is just no way i'd ever fire upon an unarmed hauler or someone without a cargo, it's simply not ethical. Dude your TDG your corp farms people for isk lol (rancer ops)
Hesod Adee Bright New Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.11 04:25:00 - [19] As I see it, there are 2 reasons why pirates might fight among themselves for profit: 1 - One of them has stuff the other wants. Basically why they kill non-pirates. 2 - One pirate thinks the other is impacting into their profits, so is trying to drive that person away so the first pirate can get more loot off the other people here. ----------------- My door is always open, just don't go in.
Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.01.11 04:54:00 - [20] Dark Helmet: [mask down] Not so fast, Lone Starr. Lone Starr: Helmet. So, at last we meet for the first time for the last time. [thinks about what he said] Yeah. Dark Helmet: Before you die, there is something you should know about us, Lone Starr. Lone Starr: What? Dark Helmet: I am your fatherÆs brotherÆs nephewÆs cousinÆs former roommate. Lone Starr: WhatÆs that make us? Dark Helmet: Absolutely nothing.
PCaBoo Newbies On Xstacy	Posted - 2007.01.11 05:11:00 - [21] Kill em all, let God sort em out. Hell, I blow up corpmates when I get bored/mad. ________________________________ Caldari's are the Chosen people!
Sun Win Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.01.11 05:33:00 - [22] Pirates engaging pirates, awesome? I go after pirates because honestly, pirates drop better loot. They are also more likely to pay a ransom. And less likely to swear at me. New to Eve? Learn to Fly - join channel: "Eve University" or read here
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.11 05:37:00 - [23] yeah, totally unethical. just cant sleep at night knowing i engaged another outlaw. (??????????????) 1000% awesome guide to logging out
Gamble Dakota Immortalis Silens	Posted - 2007.01.11 05:40:00 - [24] In actual response to OP, We engage whatever we think is best for ourselves. I might avoid another non-allied pirate that presents himself for any of the following reasons: 1. I've talked to, and liked him. Now this hasn't stopped me in the past, but hey, you never know. 2. I know he's smarter/better then that, and probably has 2 buddies in the next system waiting to jump my bones. 3. I have a bad feeling whatsoever about the kill. 4. The Risk/Reward ratio in all true Eve decisions isn't right. I simply won't usually engage a definite PVP pilot in my stabber or any of my frig setups because I know, odds on, he's probably packing NOS and webs. I find the correct answer is rarely the truthful one.
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.11 05:54:00 - [25] If my grandmother took up piracy in a velator and popped over to my home system for tea and biscuits I'd... Smack her about in local abit (real grandmothers pvp in 0.0 etc etc) Gank her at station with dread Pod her Loot wreck Sleep with corpse over night War dec her corp Ethics ?, meh
Superbus Maximus Gallente Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.11 05:59:00 - [26] Edited by: Superbus Maximus on 11/01/2007 05:57:39 Edited by: Superbus Maximus on 11/01/2007 05:56:04 Originally by: Dr Slice Edited by: Dr Slice on 11/01/2007 02:59:22 Originally by: kublai Before activating my warp scrambler I always ask myself, is this going against any universal code of ethics? Am I doing something wrong? I also ask the target wether or not his ship is carrying anything of value, or weaponry as there is just no way i'd ever fire upon an unarmed hauler or someone without a cargo, it's simply not ethical. It is funny; however, I will point out a few things to consider. 1. Historically, Pirates did not go out of their way to hunt each other. They were mainly interested in merchant shipping, capturing it's cargo and if time and conditions permitted, the ship itself as a 'prize'. It almost seemed as if there were an unspoken rule about engaging each other. 2. Specialty classes regardless if it's real life or a game, seem to have specific target selection in mind. Serial Killers for example, target a specific genre or category of victims, never each other. Hackers mainly target government systems and national/international business websites; high-profile Corporations. In EVE, it appears everyone is a target including fellow Pirates. So when I speak of ethics (Pirates of history had them) I'm speaking about having respect for a fellow outlaw's trade. Let me ask you, if you were a known outlaw and were being hunted, and you stumbled upon another known outlaw, would you rob him and take his stuff, team up with him for stronger chances of survival, or go about your separate ways? What are ethics mommy Well considering I kill my own corp members from time to time, I dont think shooting and outlaw would bother me
Destr0math Tritanium Workers Union	Posted - 2007.01.11 07:10:00 - [27] Originally by: Superbus Maximus Well considering I kill my own corp members from time to time, I dont think shooting an outlaw would bother me Everyone knows that corpmates drop the best loot...and you know when they have it :)
T'Renn Vale Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.01.11 07:30:00 - [28] While I appreciate the sentiment, I also have to say that I do not adhere to any specific "pirate code" of any sort. If it's not blue, shoot it. That includes empire when appropriate. As far as "outlaws" go, they're set to blink red on my overview just like war targets. The only time I won't fire on a blinky is if they have standings set or I am at a severe tactical disadvantage. There is no honor in what I do. I don't feel guilty shooting at anyone -- usually that person was looking for a fight anyway (90%+ of my engagements are against other pvp pilots) and would have no problem with the idea of trying to kill me. I don't owe anyone in the universe anything unless you're in my corp or alliance. If I'm cordial to you, don't mistake it for my not wanting to shoot you.
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2007.01.11 08:39:00 - [29] Pirates are just other ships in space waiting to be killed Plus most outlaw's are good sports about it win or lose, and you can have fun and a chat Half the people that I "like" round my home area I will still hunt down and try and kill, I might not pod them though. Alliaanna DNC Treasure Hunt !!
Lodhi Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.11 08:46:00 - [30] Pirates dropps good loot often. Answer enought i think

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