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LittleTerror Caldari Cremation Of Care	Posted - 2007.01.15 04:28:00 - [31] Gate camping sucks, its the most boring thing ever but that is pretty much all a pirate can do if they wish to make isk through pirating. Belt hunting is pretty crap, some might disagree but I find it really not worth the time or effort, I have traveled 40+ jump routes and found nothing but a bunch of noobs in badly fitted ships. I have moved my stuff from one end of EvE to the other with an alt to try and find some decent places to hunt and its always the same clueless new player or systems with 12 people in and all have docked. They need to make lowsec more profitable, really they do...
JoeT Amarr Short Attention Span	Posted - 2007.01.15 04:44:00 - [32] Originally by: FooB2 oh, and as for "killing haulers = low". pirates kill people. haulers are people. therefore hauler dies. we dont care what you're in, we will attack it. its not our problem if you enjoy piloting flying-pinatas full of ISK through low sec. Said perfect. --- If i'm posting on the forums, it's mostly cause i'm at work :D
Vol Jbolaz Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.15 04:59:00 - [33] Mr. Fong, At first you seem to be agreeing with me, then insulting me. I don't get it. But, point by point. Originally by: Fong SaiYuk Originally by: Vol Jbolaz It is easy to tank sentries. Easy? It takes time to skill up to a BS which is unsurprisingly much less time than it takes to train a scout to jump in a shuttle and go ahead of your hauler. Exactly. Pirates that sit at the gate are easy to avoid. Originally by: Fong SaiYuk Originally by: Vol Jbolaz Snipers don't get hit my sentries. :) And they can two volley and destroy a T1 industrial that isn't properly hardened before it can get into warp. So why hasnt that hauler got Istabs or nano's..hardners too mebbe? Like I said, if the hauler isn't set up just right, he will get the second volley, and he won't survive it. A T1 hauler can be set up to either move fast enough or soak enough damage to get past a single sniping battleship. Originally by: Fon SaiYuk Originally by: Vol Jbolaz If there are two or more pirates, there is no single ship they can't take at the gate. So dont jump through that gate, go around or wait once your scout as reported them. Mmmmm yes scouts again, such a simple solution. Nevermind that your supposition is a large bag of poo, jump in your HAC and wait for them to aggress then kick your transversal up while scrambling them and tanking...oooh now the additional dmg you are supplying to the sentry's own is destroying their tank. Lovely. Again, pirates are easy to avoid. But for every offense, there is a counter. Your little HAC can be NOSed into submission. And like I said, a Typhoon or Dominix can sit on the gate and tank you and the sentries while tackling and NOSing you. His friend, out of range of the sentries, wails on you. Oh, and don't forget those drones. The 'Phoon and the Dominix have some of the best drone bays this side of a Gallente's wet dream. :) Originally by: Fong SaiYuk Originally by: Vol Jbolaz Piracy sucks in Eve because pirates don't have overhead, so they don't have to worry about making money. It has been my experience that pirates rarely make money (as in they've never made money off of the few times they've killed me). We dont have overheads? What about ship replacements, ammo, drones and boredom IS an overhead. Ammo is cheap, and pirates are, as everyone is, likely to avoid a fair fight. So they don't lose their ship all that often as they camp gates and take easy prey. And belt pirates? WTF? If you are ratting in a belt with hostiles about, you deserve to lose your ship. Point is, given the amount of time it would take for a gate camper to turn a decent profit, he could've used agents or just hunted rats. Gate camping pirates don't do it for the money, they do it for the griefing. Not saying that is wrong, I'm just saying people should be aware.
Vol Jbolaz Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.15 05:04:00 - [34] Originally by: vile56 well here is a little look into our world, sit at a gate, attack anything that comes in, tell me if the rush you get is ANYTHING, like tradeing or useing those miner2s. then go hunt a belt, and tell me if the rush you get is ANY ******* THING, like tradeing. you will see why we do it Sorry to double post, but this echos what I was just saying. Pirates don't do it for the money. They do it for the kicks. Also, you seem to have me confused with a carebear. Uhm... I just got back into secured space. I've lived the last couple years in 0.0. There are no pirates out there. The guys trying to kill you in 0.0 don't care about profit from killing you, and they don't are about the thrill (so much so). They want to control a section of space, and killing you is how they do it. Alliance warfare is something I understand. Thrill and objectives. Low-sec pirates that operate outside of 0.0 are just griefers. I don't get it.
Fong SaiYuk The Establishment	Posted - 2007.01.15 05:39:00 - [35] Ah geez... Ok points I am trying to make. 1. You have a habit of over-generalising in this thread at least. 2. Your post (original that is) seems to be saying that pirates only pirate for kicks which ignores that they also pirate for profit and lowsec can be very profitable. Especially lowsec mission hubs that generate faction loot in empire space. 3. You insinuate that it is easy to tank sentries which neglects to mention that if all you are tanking is sentries that may be true but as soon as someone comes along and baits you this changes. 4. You make the point that nosf can ruin my lil'HAC's day, well I could counter with 'not my vagabond' or 'not if I had nosf' or 'not if I was bait to ensure aggro and to scram for my buddies'. 5. There are ships which can quite easily ruin a duel pirate camp's day. 6. Typhoons and Domi's may have large drone bays..duh...however sentries alternate fire and they will lose DPS as the drones are destroyed. 7. If they are tanked for sentries they lose out on DPS making them easier to tank. Summary My overall point was that you generalise in terms of how profitable lowsec hauler ganking is and seem to base this on the fact that when you have been ganked you arnt carrying much. You state that pirates dont need to earn money and as they dont have overheads yet neglect to mention that this also means they will be in trouble if they lose a ship which they have to replace and re-kit. You then say that gate campers do if for the griefing, ie. are griefers. Another over generalisation, not to mention the definition of griefing leaves something to be desired. Maybe you dont get it because your base assumptions are blinkered and biased. Gate campers may do it for the griefing, they may do it for the money or both but more than likely all of the gate campers in Eve dont fit into a nice stereotype for you not to get. And there are no pirates in 0.0??? I thin you define pirates to stringently, also there are carebears in 0.0 but whether you are one is not the point here... Meh dont have time to nicely edit my post for repition or strict continuity...also I wont have time to read a reply today.
Vol Jbolaz Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.15 06:03:00 - [36] Okay, typical day of camping a gate in non-0.0, low security space... how much ISK do you make? And be honest. Typical day. You sit there for hours. You are easy to avoid, you can't kill everything that comes through since you are solo. You have to run from a fight since you are solo, and they always bring friends. You get the occasionally good score, but after how many hours? I just wager that more money can be made ratting. Unless that many people really pay ransom. Not sure why they would. If you pay ransom, that just means the pirates will do it agian. And some pirates won't even respect the ransom, so shame for paying it.
PCaBoo Newbies On Xstacy The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.01.15 07:34:00 - [37] Originally by: Vol Jbolaz Okay, typical day of camping a gate in non-0.0, low security space... how much ISK do you make? And be honest. Typical day. You sit there for hours. You are easy to avoid, you can't kill everything that comes through since you are solo. You have to run from a fight since you are solo, and they always bring friends. You get the occasionally good score, but after how many hours? I just wager that more money can be made ratting. Unless that many people really pay ransom. Not sure why they would. If you pay ransom, that just means the pirates will do it agian. And some pirates won't even respect the ransom, so shame for paying it. I used to make hundreds of millions a week in just gatecamping. I'd lose some ships, but I never lost more than I made. I pirate a different way now. It makes me less money, but it's a lot more interesting and involved. By the statements you made, I would assume you have absolutely no idea about pirating. I don't even know what this has to do with sentry guns... ________________________________ Caldari's are the Chosen people!
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.15 12:08:00 - [38] Edited by: tiller on 15/01/2007 12:05:49 Sentry guns are fine as they are... They stop unsupported small ships from causing major problems. They generally stop a ship from solo taking down others of a similar size easily. They largely stop people from solo going all out tackle letting most warp away from gate fine. Since kali you don't need many ships to perma tank and still tackle at gates, 2 is all... but even then, you are not a very scary fighting force. ......plenty of ships can perma tank solo, but they won't kill **** with poor scan res and dmg.
Xelphior Caldari Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.01.15 14:06:00 - [39] my advice then would be, get a blockade runner, indy lvl 5 transport ships 1 dont go into low sec with a bloody hauler and no escort if you have to solo it, have friends with you or take a blockade runner, they are notoriously hard to catch
Vol Jbolaz Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.15 14:49:00 - [40] Originally by: PCaBoo I don't even know what this has to do with sentry guns... Nothing, other than sentry guns are not really a problem. A lone battleship can tank them and slowly carve up a hauler. A sniper can avoid them and pop an unhardened hauler in two volleys. Two battleships, well... one tanks the sentries and tackles you, the other beats the crap out of you at range. You can avoid gate campers, but it is easy to gate camp. Sentries are not a problem.
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.15 15:01:00 - [41] The day sentrys get tougher is the day CCP finally nails the coffin shut for low sec solo piracy. Carebears will win eve eventually Welcome to world of evecraft.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.15 15:42:00 - [42] Originally by: Vol Jbolaz I just wager that more money can be made ratting. Unless that many people really pay ransom. Not sure why they would. If you pay ransom, that just means the pirates will do it agian. And some pirates won't even respect the ransom, so shame for paying it. I really don't understand this logic. Paying a Ransom = You keep your ship/pod with expensive implants, Not paying a ransom = you lose your ship/pod with expensive implants. But to each his own in the end Pirate gets the killmail and you are down 1 ship/expensive set of implants. But you sure showed them right? Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin Marcus Thinks Eve who knew!?
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.15 15:51:00 - [43] Originally by: Vol Jbolaz Okay, typical day of camping a gate in non-0.0, low security space... how much ISK do you make? And be honest. Typical day. You sit there for hours. You are easy to avoid, you can't kill everything that comes through since you are solo. You have to run from a fight since you are solo, and they always bring friends. You get the occasionally good score, but after how many hours? I just wager that more money can be made ratting. Unless that many people really pay ransom. Not sure why they would. If you pay ransom, that just means the pirates will do it agian. And some pirates won't even respect the ransom, so shame for paying it. Absolutely wrong. Gate camps can at time net billions in a single day. It is one of the most profitable activities in eve. -Karlemgne
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2007.01.15 17:42:00 - [44] Originally by: Miss Tabaki Edited by: Miss Tabaki on 14/01/2007 13:10:48 Quote: secondly would ppl stop using that silly term griefer for anyone who pops a hauler. a griefer is someone who does something with no gain from it just to ruin someone else's experience of the game. killing haulers is very profitable and is called piracy. therefore they are pirates not griefer ffs. Sure, could call the camps I have witnessed pirates. IF they picked up the loot, but they dont. I have been cloaked on several gate camps, from several different "pirate" corporations that hug the gate. They dont even have alts in haulers or what ever to go pick it up. It stays there til wrecks disapear! And that makes them griefers. But none the less, I shouldnt really bother much should I. Busting the camps is easy enough anyway. They had fun killing you. this makes them normal ppl enjoying the game. griefers are ppl who live off causing ppl grief in game and making their eve lives miserable. blowing up ships is fun, fact. i just hate egits using that word for anyone who pops a hauler or shuttle. and you don't know that they didn't collect the loot. or are you saying that you sat there for all that time until it blew up just watching ur wreck? and tbh these posts only ever crop up after someone gets killed so i'm guessing someone got u. it's low security and there is low security there. some security yes but it is low. correct no? DE
Fong SaiYuk The Establishment	Posted - 2007.01.16 04:44:00 - [45] Damn lag monkey ate my original reply. :evil: Originally by: Vol Jbolaz Okay, typical day of camping a gate in non-0.0, low security space... how much ISK do you make? And be honest. Typical day. You sit there for hours. You are easy to avoid, you can't kill everything that comes through since you are solo. You have to run from a fight since you are solo, and they always bring friends. You get the occasionally good score, but after how many hours? I just wager that more money can be made ratting. Unless that many people really pay ransom. Not sure why they would. If you pay ransom, that just means the pirates will do it agian. And some pirates won't even respect the ransom, so shame for paying it. Ok I guess others have replied to teh first query but yeah you can make a hundred to billions. Depends on who comes through and what they have. Who gets ganked? People who dont pay attention to chat channels where they may have been warned, people who afk autopilot via the shorter route that also happens to be lowsec. Yes gate camps can be easy to avoid but you will always have unscouted nublets who get ganked and then come to the forum to whine or to post their lil'conclusions drawn from assumptions about things they just refuse to understand. Let me elaborate. You said you lived in 0.0 and oh you must be a veteran? Hmmm. So living in 0.0 I guessed you've done your fair share of ratting? I know I have, and based on my >EXPERIENCES< I imagine you would loot the cans/wrecks. The best loot you probably take to empire to sell if you have a surplus yeah? You must have done this once or twice...well the majority of 0.0 access routes go via lowsec! Golly gosh I hear you say, yes their are the odd exception such as Hed-GP -> Kebers but taking loot through HED aint the brightest idea especially unscouted. Most are chokepoints such as Taisy -> M-O, Obe -> P3EN or Misaba to R3. So you have this experiance and therefore the information to draw a rational conclusion yet you insist on coming to the crime and punishment forum and making ill-concieved assumptions. I await your reply...

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