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Miss Tabaki	Posted - 2007.01.12 13:29:00 - [1] Do sentry guns do to little damage in low sec? Every day when I run my courier missions in low sec, I see industrial wrecks. All over the place they litter the gates. How come its so easy (remember low sec is supposed to be dangerous, even for pirates) for any pirate these days to tank the sentry guns? Should sentry gun damage be upped to make the lifes a bit more exciting for the griefers, or is a killboard full of industrial ships all they really need to be excited in this game?
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2007.01.12 13:37:00 - [2] Go grab a standard fitted cruiser and attack something under sentries, See how long you last. The risk for pirates is very real allready. If i'm pirating in my HaC and engage at a gate I cannot permatank. If the hauler has any escort (hint, take an escort you tards) that can scamble me i'm probably toast. A clever Af pilot + sentries would be enough to nail me. So no. Unless their is some more reward added to lowsec which increases the amount of belt targets we can get I see no reason to nerf gatecamping even further. Before anyone whines about our playstyle, The box eve came in tells me my carrier is valid Alliaanna DNC Treasure Hunt !!
Josefine Dark smile'n smite	Posted - 2007.01.12 13:42:00 - [3] Originally by: Miss Tabaki Do sentry guns do to little damage in low sec? Nope! They'll deal enough damage to get the gatecampers into trouble if they're not careful enough! But the sentries are tankable to a specific point... So afk flying haulers in low-secs deserve to die to a gatecamp Originally by: Miss Tabaki ...or is a killboard full of industrial ships all they really need to be excited in this game? First off all haulers get killed to get your life going as a pirate... so it's not for their personal KB statistics but to ensure their outlaw life! so long smile'n smite killboard
FooB2 Caldari Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.01.12 13:44:00 - [4] Edited by: FooB2 on 12/01/2007 13:42:32 decent pirates will have near 3 years SP backing behind them. and friends. think about it. oh, and as for "killing haulers = low". pirates kill people. haulers are people. therefore hauler dies. we dont care what you're in, we will attack it. its not our problem if you enjoy piloting flying-pinatas full of ISK through low sec.
Katrina Kirellii Caldari Escorts of Eve	Posted - 2007.01.12 13:59:00 - [5] Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii The risk for pirates is very real allready. If i'm pirating in my HaC and engage at a gate I cannot permatank. If the hauler has any escort (hint, take an escort you tards) that can scamble me i'm probably toast. A clever Af pilot + sentries would be enough to nail me. Alliaanna Thanks for the Plug! In reality - once the hauler jumps - the Pirate can pretty much pick on it first (ignoring any escort) and kill it. Usually jamming is late. So a good escort is really bait who hopes to survive or can somehow stir the mix up a bit and survive while allowing you to escape. In terms of the lone pirate who is usually a newbie rogue, an escort can scare them off - but then your odds without an escort would have been pretty good anyhow. Again though - thanks for the plug - Escorts whether formally trained or not are important. Join Today!
SwindonBadger 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.12 14:00:00 - [6] I occasionally try and tank the centries in a crow, so far my best is 2 vollies before they win! normally Im pritty sleapy when this happens.
Alliaanna Dalaii Gallente Does Not Compute	Posted - 2007.01.12 14:06:00 - [7] Originally by: SwindonBadger I occasionally try and tank the centries in a crow, so far my best is 2 vollies before they win! normally Im pritty sleapy when this happens. Can I just say... You have the coolest name/Sig ever ! Alliaanna DNC Treasure Hunt !!
SwindonBadger 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.12 14:17:00 - [8] yarghhhh :) thanks to the boss and dashi! though most people prefer the other outbreaks sigs with nice ladies on,,, strange people if u ask me. tanking centries in a carrier or dred pritty easy I hear .. but then its easy to set up on them too :) I dont think the gates need to be harder or weeker, I takes a while to get the skills in a bc/bs to tank them well enough to kill and not have to warp out instantly and it only takes a few people to get them tackled once agressed and watch them pop.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.12 16:14:00 - [9] Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 12/01/2007 16:11:15 Scouts are key for haulers use them as annoying as they are. I've lost so many cruisers to sentry guns its ridiculous I'd actually be broke right now if this guy didn't overpay on the ransom (his corpie convoed and smack talked me so I didn't give it back). Also quit using the word griefers its your fault for flying a pinata filled with goodies we pirates are just the ones swinging the sticks (yes we can see through the blindfold) Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin Marcus Thinks Eve who knew!?
Portios Smith Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.01.12 17:30:00 - [10] Originally by: Katrina Kirellii Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii The risk for pirates is very real allready. If i'm pirating in my HaC and engage at a gate I cannot permatank. If the hauler has any escort (hint, take an escort you tards) that can scamble me i'm probably toast. A clever Af pilot + sentries would be enough to nail me. Alliaanna Thanks for the Plug! In reality - once the hauler jumps - the Pirate can pretty much pick on it first (ignoring any escort) and kill it. Usually jamming is late. So a good escort is really bait who hopes to survive or can somehow stir the mix up a bit and survive while allowing you to escape. In terms of the lone pirate who is usually a newbie rogue, an escort can scare them off - but then your odds without an escort would have been pretty good anyhow. Again though - thanks for the plug - Escorts whether formally trained or not are important. You are turning out to be a worst propaganda machine than BoB Most of the time your posts either exagerate a fact or all together twist it. you either really don't know WTF you are talking about or just enjoy making stuff up. Either way your full of crap For you newbies in a hauler out there, if you want to survive in low sec: 1. Use warp to zero you n00bs, autopilot will get you killed If you use WTZ the only time a piwat can get you is on the other side of a gate and a lone one will have a hard time. 2. Fit stabs, haulers in dangerous space are one of the best ways to use stabs 3. Fit a decent Tank. it does you no good to be able to warp away from a rupture at a gate if you dont last long enough. a good tank will ruin most solo cruiser/battle cruisers day Finally you have to contend with low sec gate camps. fortunatley for you this are very rare now that Kali nerfed them hard. if you jump in to a system in a slow arse mammoth for example and your overview is suddenly full of ships. you can kiss your hauler good bye (and probably your pod too). 5. A friend in a frig one jump ahead is the single most effective way to keep your cargo vessel in one piece. he can give you up to the minute traffic information and is much better equipt to get away from a camp than you. I understand it is not always possible to bring a frind along to check the road ahead for you; a good thing to do then (and any time you travel unsecure space) is to check your map, select pilots in the last 30 minuts to identify potential gate blobs and then switch to ships destroyed in the last hour and 24h. I hope you can put 2 + 2 together and avoid ThaBigRedDot on your route I will not recomend using disposable alts to scout as I believe it to be just as lame as logoffski. I dont do it, I dont need to do it, and the less people do it the better EVE becomes. Use common sense while traveling in low sec and you will play more and whine less. I have hauled tons of stuff through low sec/0.0 and never once been caught by a gate camp or lone pirate. And yes, I am a pirate too Sig removed does not contain your name, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
Bach Caldari Tyrell Corp	Posted - 2007.01.12 18:07:00 - [11] Yes the gate guns in low sec are an easy tank. We used to do it in thorax's and along enough to destroy combat ships let alone haulers. Some of the new Command ships can almost perpetually tank the guns. That said, you have to understand there needs to be a niche for pirates to play in the game. You can avoid them and circumvent them with many of the methods mentioned above. In all of them you have the do one common thing. You have to actively play the game vs. them. No auto piloting freebies. It not to much to ask that you simply play the game with them. Why haulers? Well its not hard math. Profit vs effort and risk the low sec haulers are the biggest payout in Eve for ship to ship actions. Probably closely followed by mission/complex runner rigged vessels. If it was just about dueling contests the guy wouldn't be a pirate he would just be in 0.0 slugging it out with everyone else. Now as much as pirates deserve to play the game so do mercs and bounty hunters. These last two character classes have a very hard time playing they're roles wihtout good merchants like yourself. If you report pirates and sometimes offer a little tribute for them to turn the tables on your local neighborhood bucaneer then they get to play the game too.
Mr Jay Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.01.12 18:28:00 - [12] You don't need to be able to tank sentries to kill things near gates. I imagine it's quite easy to kill an indy at a gate before it warps using a sniping setup. I use damage mods and only one armor rep on my Deimos setup and it can't tank sentries - but I can last long enough at a gate in order to kill my target and then warp out. My point is, in my opinion, there's no point in 'upping' sentry damage, as you're still going to die* *unless they make sentries do uber damage, but then what's the point? You might as well pu Concord in low-sec. Absolute Evil pwned my sig =(
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.12 18:39:00 - [13] Originally by: Portios Smith Originally by: Katrina Kirellii Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii The risk for pirates is very real allready. If i'm pirating in my HaC and engage at a gate I cannot permatank. If the hauler has any escort (hint, take an escort you tards) that can scamble me i'm probably toast. A clever Af pilot + sentries would be enough to nail me. Alliaanna Thanks for the Plug! In reality - once the hauler jumps - the Pirate can pretty much pick on it first (ignoring any escort) and kill it. Usually jamming is late. So a good escort is really bait who hopes to survive or can somehow stir the mix up a bit and survive while allowing you to escape. In terms of the lone pirate who is usually a newbie rogue, an escort can scare them off - but then your odds without an escort would have been pretty good anyhow. Again though - thanks for the plug - Escorts whether formally trained or not are important. You are turning out to be a worst propaganda machine than BoB The crime and punishment forums are meant to be a safe heaven from bob and other alliance jibba jabba (aside from the annoying Posts made by non PC members about PC) how dare you break that freedom Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin Marcus Thinks Eve who knew!?
Portios Smith Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.01.12 22:53:00 - [14] Quote: The crime and punishment forums are meant to be a safe heaven from bob and other alliance jibba jabba (aside from the annoying Posts made by non PC members about PC) You know what I mean, quit beeing so sensitive Sig removed does not contain your name, email [email protected] if you have any questions - Xorus
kublai TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.01.12 22:55:00 - [15] Personally I loathe gate camping, but until CCP makes low sec belts ALOT more profitable for industrialists, well low sec in general, i'm not gonna ***** about it.
fire 59 Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.13 02:41:00 - [16] Originally by: Portios Smith Quote: The crime and punishment forums are meant to be a safe heaven from bob and other alliance jibba jabba (aside from the annoying Posts made by non PC members about PC) You know what I mean, quit beeing so sensitive How about people not talk bull** about propoganda when they don't know wtf there going on about. Fact's during wartime isn't propoganda you muppet. es me off when some armchair jockey who saw a bob in empire once talks with such knowledge over stuff he doesn't know. Mutter mumble Sorry for derailing but idiot's ** me off, btw, not directed at the person i quoted, that muppet further up the page

Ivan Kirilenkov Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.01.13 02:57:00 - [17] Please be civil, and avoid remarks that target certain groups or entities like this. Also, when people break the forum rules, mail us instead of derailing the thread and breaking the forum rules yourself. Thank you :) eve-crc.net \| forum rules

DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2007.01.13 09:37:00 - [18] Originally by: Miss Tabaki Do sentry guns do to little damage in low sec? Every day when I run my courier missions in low sec, I see industrial wrecks. All over the place they litter the gates. How come its so easy (remember low sec is supposed to be dangerous, even for pirates) for any pirate these days to tank the sentry guns? Should sentry gun damage be upped to make the lifes a bit more exciting for the griefers, or is a killboard full of industrial ships all they really need to be excited in this game? whine whine whine is all i hear here. firstly yes imo sentries are perfect in low sec. secondly would ppl stop using that silly term griefer for anyone who pops a hauler. a griefer is someone who does something with no gain from it just to ruin someone else's experience of the game. killing haulers is very profitable and is called piracy. therefore they are pirates not griefer ffs. and i doubt anyone in game actually buzzes off indy killmails. the whole thing about blah blah just epeen etc wants a nice killmail for his killboard is rubbish as well. just carebears way of putting pvp'ers down to make them seem better after they get killed. ok i'm done DE
Colwyn Amicus	Posted - 2007.01.13 11:22:00 - [19] Yeah, I'm a griefer. But I do it for all the reasons, to ruin someones day, to see a pretty explosion, and to be superior to someone else even if it is a hauler. And don't worry, I'll fight anything at the gate. I don't discriminate. Back on topic, sentries do plenty of damage, goal is to kill them before that damage can add up on you. Col
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.13 20:49:00 - [20] Originally by: DarkElf Originally by: Miss Tabaki Do sentry guns do to little damage in low sec? Every day when I run my courier missions in low sec, I see industrial wrecks. All over the place they litter the gates. How come its so easy (remember low sec is supposed to be dangerous, even for pirates) for any pirate these days to tank the sentry guns? Should sentry gun damage be upped to make the lifes a bit more exciting for the griefers, or is a killboard full of industrial ships all they really need to be excited in this game? qft whine whine whine is all i hear here. firstly yes imo sentries are perfect in low sec. secondly would ppl stop using that silly term griefer for anyone who pops a hauler. a griefer is someone who does something with no gain from it just to ruin someone else's experience of the game. killing haulers is very profitable and is called piracy. therefore they are pirates not griefer ffs. and i doubt anyone in game actually buzzes off indy killmails. the whole thing about blah blah just epeen etc wants a nice killmail for his killboard is rubbish as well. just carebears way of putting pvp'ers down to make them seem better after they get killed. ok i'm done DE Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin Marcus Thinks Eve who knew!?
Miss Tabaki	Posted - 2007.01.14 13:13:00 - [21] Edited by: Miss Tabaki on 14/01/2007 13:10:48 Edited by: Miss Tabaki on 14/01/2007 13:10:06 Edited by: Miss Tabaki on 14/01/2007 13:09:57 Quote: whine whine whine is all i hear here. Whine? Where? I asked a simple questing and you call that whining? The reason I ask it is because I have been cruising around in low sec the last 3-4 weeks, and I see people pop a target, armor tank the sentrys - stil hugging the gate - waiting of the next target to decloak, and stil stay there and tank it. Mind you I have only lost 1 ship so far, and it was a slow cruiser in my first encounter with said gate camps. Quote: secondly would ppl stop using that silly term griefer for anyone who pops a hauler. a griefer is someone who does something with no gain from it just to ruin someone else's experience of the game. killing haulers is very profitable and is called piracy. therefore they are pirates not griefer ffs. Sure, could call the camps I have witnessed pirates. IF they picked up the loot, but they dont. I have been cloaked on several gate camps, from several different "pirate" corporations that hug the gate. They dont even have alts in haulers or what ever to go pick it up. It stays there til wrecks disapear! And that makes them griefers. But none the less, I shouldnt really bother much should I. Busting the camps is easy enough anyway.
rig0r Arcane Industries	Posted - 2007.01.14 15:31:00 - [22] Sentries are fine imo. Especially when you use them to your advantage to kill ebil pirates teh l33test free killboard lololol
Gareth Angel Blue Star Enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.14 16:01:00 - [23] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin its your fault for flying a pinata filled with goodies we pirates are just the ones swinging the sticks (yes we can see through the blindfold) This made me laugh pretty hard. In a good way, I mean. I can't really say I 'respect' the camping pirates (for that the losses are just too big sometimes), but I CAN say I understand the fun you can have when swinging sticks at those pinata's. Just please don't do it anymore if I'm coming through...
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.14 17:39:00 - [24] Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 14/01/2007 17:38:01 Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 14/01/2007 17:36:39 Originally by: Miss Tabaki Edited by: Miss Tabaki on 14/01/2007 13:10:48 Edited by: Miss Tabaki on 14/01/2007 13:10:06 Edited by: Miss Tabaki on 14/01/2007 13:09:57 Quote: whine whine whine is all i hear here. Whine? Where? I asked a simple questing and you call that whining? The reason I ask it is because I have been cruising around in low sec the last 3-4 weeks, and I see people pop a target, armor tank the sentrys - stil hugging the gate - waiting of the next target to decloak, and stil stay there and tank it. Mind you I have only lost 1 ship so far, and it was a slow cruiser in my first encounter with said gate camps. Quote: secondly would ppl stop using that silly term griefer for anyone who pops a hauler. a griefer is someone who does something with no gain from it just to ruin someone else's experience of the game. killing haulers is very profitable and is called piracy. therefore they are pirates not griefer ffs. Sure, could call the camps I have witnessed pirates. IF they picked up the loot, but they dont. I have been cloaked on several gate camps, from several different "pirate" corporations that hug the gate. They dont even have alts in haulers or what ever to go pick it up. It stays there til wrecks disapear! And that makes them griefers. But none the less, I shouldnt really bother much should I. Busting the camps is easy enough anyway. IGNORANCE ALERT CODE BLUE!!! all because you don't see them collecting loot dosen't mean they don't get it eventually. Not to mention your broad generalization of the pirate community is poor at best. Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin Marcus Thinks Eve who knew!?
Ainna Asu	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:43:00 - [25] woops, looks like I hit a soft spot.
Miss Tabaki	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:43:00 - [26]
Vol Jbolaz Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:50:00 - [27] It is easy to tank sentries. First off, you can set up a Typhoon or Dominix to permatank the sentries. If you are just hitting haulers, you don't need to do a lot of damage. If you are tanking the sentries, you can sit close enough to throw on a scram and slowly carve the hauler up. Snipers don't get hit my sentries. :) And they can two volley and destroy a T1 industrial that isn't properly hardened before it can get into warp. If there are two or more pirates, there is no single ship they can't take at the gate. Piracy sucks in Eve because pirates don't have overhead, so they don't have to worry about making money. It has been my experience that pirates rarely make money (as in they've never made money off of the few times they've killed me).
Fong SaiYuk The Establishment	Posted - 2007.01.15 03:46:00 - [28] Originally by: Vol Jbolaz It is easy to tank sentries. First off, you can set up a Typhoon or Dominix to permatank the sentries. If you are just hitting haulers, you don't need to do a lot of damage. If you are tanking the sentries, you can sit close enough to throw on a scram and slowly carve the hauler up. Easy? It takes time to skill up to a BS which is unsurprisingly much less time than it takes to train a scout to jump in a shuttle and go ahead of your hauler. Originally by: Vol Jbolaz Snipers don't get hit my sentries. :) And they can two volley and destroy a T1 industrial that isn't properly hardened before it can get into warp. So why hasnt that hauler got Istabs or nano's..hardners too mebbe? Originally by: Vol Jbolaz If there are two or more pirates, there is no single ship they can't take at the gate. So dont jump through that gate, go around or wait once your scout as reported them. Mmmmm yes scouts again, such a simple solution. Nevermind that your supposition is a large bag of poo, jump in your HAC and wait for them to aggress then kick your transversal up while scrambling them and tanking...oooh now the additional dmg you are supplying to the sentry's own is destroying their tank. Lovely. Originally by: Vol Jbolaz Piracy sucks in Eve because pirates don't have overhead, so they don't have to worry about making money. It has been my experience that pirates rarely make money (as in they've never made money off of the few times they've killed me). We dont have overheads? What about ship replacements, ammo, drones and boredom IS an overhead. Your second statement is laughable. So they have never made money off you...do you expect them to scram you and check your cargo and then send you nicely on their way with your trade goods??? So they make no money because YOU never carry anything worthwhile. You are clearly indicative of the whole of Eve...if the whole of Eve is blinkered and assumes everyone is the same as him, flies a hauler thats neither escorted or scouted through lowsec and doesn't ever carry valuable cargo.
vile56 Nubs. Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.15 03:54:00 - [29] Originally by: Vol Jbolaz It is easy to tank sentries. First off, you can set up a Typhoon or Dominix to permatank the sentries. If you are just hitting haulers, you don't need to do a lot of damage. If you are tanking the sentries, you can sit close enough to throw on a scram and slowly carve the hauler up. Snipers don't get hit my sentries. :) And they can two volley and destroy a T1 industrial that isn't properly hardened before it can get into warp. If there are two or more pirates, there is no single ship they can't take at the gate. Piracy sucks in Eve because pirates don't have overhead, so they don't have to worry about making money. It has been my experience that pirates rarely make money (as in they've never made money off of the few times they've killed me). well here is a little look into our world, sit at a gate, attack anything that comes in, tell me if the rush you get is ANYTHING, like tradeing or useing those miner2s. then go hunt a belt, and tell me if the rush you get is ANY ******* THING, like tradeing. you will see why we do it
OrangeAfroMan Minmatar Suffoco Noctis Ethereal Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.15 04:14:00 - [30] Originally by: Alliaanna Dalaii So no. Unless there is some more reward added to lowsec which increases the amount of belt targets we can get I see no reason to nerf gatecamping even further. I used to think gatecampers were lamers, however after pirating non-stop for 10 months I can say that this statement truly shows the state of lowsec :/
LittleTerror Caldari Cremation Of Care	Posted - 2007.01.15 04:28:00 - [31] Gate camping sucks, its the most boring thing ever but that is pretty much all a pirate can do if they wish to make isk through pirating. Belt hunting is pretty crap, some might disagree but I find it really not worth the time or effort, I have traveled 40+ jump routes and found nothing but a bunch of noobs in badly fitted ships. I have moved my stuff from one end of EvE to the other with an alt to try and find some decent places to hunt and its always the same clueless new player or systems with 12 people in and all have docked. They need to make lowsec more profitable, really they do...
JoeT Amarr Short Attention Span	Posted - 2007.01.15 04:44:00 - [32] Originally by: FooB2 oh, and as for "killing haulers = low". pirates kill people. haulers are people. therefore hauler dies. we dont care what you're in, we will attack it. its not our problem if you enjoy piloting flying-pinatas full of ISK through low sec. Said perfect. --- If i'm posting on the forums, it's mostly cause i'm at work :D
Vol Jbolaz Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.15 04:59:00 - [33] Mr. Fong, At first you seem to be agreeing with me, then insulting me. I don't get it. But, point by point. Originally by: Fong SaiYuk Originally by: Vol Jbolaz It is easy to tank sentries. Easy? It takes time to skill up to a BS which is unsurprisingly much less time than it takes to train a scout to jump in a shuttle and go ahead of your hauler. Exactly. Pirates that sit at the gate are easy to avoid. Originally by: Fong SaiYuk Originally by: Vol Jbolaz Snipers don't get hit my sentries. :) And they can two volley and destroy a T1 industrial that isn't properly hardened before it can get into warp. So why hasnt that hauler got Istabs or nano's..hardners too mebbe? Like I said, if the hauler isn't set up just right, he will get the second volley, and he won't survive it. A T1 hauler can be set up to either move fast enough or soak enough damage to get past a single sniping battleship. Originally by: Fon SaiYuk Originally by: Vol Jbolaz If there are two or more pirates, there is no single ship they can't take at the gate. So dont jump through that gate, go around or wait once your scout as reported them. Mmmmm yes scouts again, such a simple solution. Nevermind that your supposition is a large bag of poo, jump in your HAC and wait for them to aggress then kick your transversal up while scrambling them and tanking...oooh now the additional dmg you are supplying to the sentry's own is destroying their tank. Lovely. Again, pirates are easy to avoid. But for every offense, there is a counter. Your little HAC can be NOSed into submission. And like I said, a Typhoon or Dominix can sit on the gate and tank you and the sentries while tackling and NOSing you. His friend, out of range of the sentries, wails on you. Oh, and don't forget those drones. The 'Phoon and the Dominix have some of the best drone bays this side of a Gallente's wet dream. :) Originally by: Fong SaiYuk Originally by: Vol Jbolaz Piracy sucks in Eve because pirates don't have overhead, so they don't have to worry about making money. It has been my experience that pirates rarely make money (as in they've never made money off of the few times they've killed me). We dont have overheads? What about ship replacements, ammo, drones and boredom IS an overhead. Ammo is cheap, and pirates are, as everyone is, likely to avoid a fair fight. So they don't lose their ship all that often as they camp gates and take easy prey. And belt pirates? WTF? If you are ratting in a belt with hostiles about, you deserve to lose your ship. Point is, given the amount of time it would take for a gate camper to turn a decent profit, he could've used agents or just hunted rats. Gate camping pirates don't do it for the money, they do it for the griefing. Not saying that is wrong, I'm just saying people should be aware.
Vol Jbolaz Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.15 05:04:00 - [34] Originally by: vile56 well here is a little look into our world, sit at a gate, attack anything that comes in, tell me if the rush you get is ANYTHING, like tradeing or useing those miner2s. then go hunt a belt, and tell me if the rush you get is ANY ******* THING, like tradeing. you will see why we do it Sorry to double post, but this echos what I was just saying. Pirates don't do it for the money. They do it for the kicks. Also, you seem to have me confused with a carebear. Uhm... I just got back into secured space. I've lived the last couple years in 0.0. There are no pirates out there. The guys trying to kill you in 0.0 don't care about profit from killing you, and they don't are about the thrill (so much so). They want to control a section of space, and killing you is how they do it. Alliance warfare is something I understand. Thrill and objectives. Low-sec pirates that operate outside of 0.0 are just griefers. I don't get it.
Fong SaiYuk The Establishment	Posted - 2007.01.15 05:39:00 - [35] Ah geez... Ok points I am trying to make. 1. You have a habit of over-generalising in this thread at least. 2. Your post (original that is) seems to be saying that pirates only pirate for kicks which ignores that they also pirate for profit and lowsec can be very profitable. Especially lowsec mission hubs that generate faction loot in empire space. 3. You insinuate that it is easy to tank sentries which neglects to mention that if all you are tanking is sentries that may be true but as soon as someone comes along and baits you this changes. 4. You make the point that nosf can ruin my lil'HAC's day, well I could counter with 'not my vagabond' or 'not if I had nosf' or 'not if I was bait to ensure aggro and to scram for my buddies'. 5. There are ships which can quite easily ruin a duel pirate camp's day. 6. Typhoons and Domi's may have large drone bays..duh...however sentries alternate fire and they will lose DPS as the drones are destroyed. 7. If they are tanked for sentries they lose out on DPS making them easier to tank. Summary My overall point was that you generalise in terms of how profitable lowsec hauler ganking is and seem to base this on the fact that when you have been ganked you arnt carrying much. You state that pirates dont need to earn money and as they dont have overheads yet neglect to mention that this also means they will be in trouble if they lose a ship which they have to replace and re-kit. You then say that gate campers do if for the griefing, ie. are griefers. Another over generalisation, not to mention the definition of griefing leaves something to be desired. Maybe you dont get it because your base assumptions are blinkered and biased. Gate campers may do it for the griefing, they may do it for the money or both but more than likely all of the gate campers in Eve dont fit into a nice stereotype for you not to get. And there are no pirates in 0.0??? I thin you define pirates to stringently, also there are carebears in 0.0 but whether you are one is not the point here... Meh dont have time to nicely edit my post for repition or strict continuity...also I wont have time to read a reply today.
Vol Jbolaz Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.15 06:03:00 - [36] Okay, typical day of camping a gate in non-0.0, low security space... how much ISK do you make? And be honest. Typical day. You sit there for hours. You are easy to avoid, you can't kill everything that comes through since you are solo. You have to run from a fight since you are solo, and they always bring friends. You get the occasionally good score, but after how many hours? I just wager that more money can be made ratting. Unless that many people really pay ransom. Not sure why they would. If you pay ransom, that just means the pirates will do it agian. And some pirates won't even respect the ransom, so shame for paying it.
PCaBoo Newbies On Xstacy The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.01.15 07:34:00 - [37] Originally by: Vol Jbolaz Okay, typical day of camping a gate in non-0.0, low security space... how much ISK do you make? And be honest. Typical day. You sit there for hours. You are easy to avoid, you can't kill everything that comes through since you are solo. You have to run from a fight since you are solo, and they always bring friends. You get the occasionally good score, but after how many hours? I just wager that more money can be made ratting. Unless that many people really pay ransom. Not sure why they would. If you pay ransom, that just means the pirates will do it agian. And some pirates won't even respect the ransom, so shame for paying it. I used to make hundreds of millions a week in just gatecamping. I'd lose some ships, but I never lost more than I made. I pirate a different way now. It makes me less money, but it's a lot more interesting and involved. By the statements you made, I would assume you have absolutely no idea about pirating. I don't even know what this has to do with sentry guns... ________________________________ Caldari's are the Chosen people!
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.15 12:08:00 - [38] Edited by: tiller on 15/01/2007 12:05:49 Sentry guns are fine as they are... They stop unsupported small ships from causing major problems. They generally stop a ship from solo taking down others of a similar size easily. They largely stop people from solo going all out tackle letting most warp away from gate fine. Since kali you don't need many ships to perma tank and still tackle at gates, 2 is all... but even then, you are not a very scary fighting force. ......plenty of ships can perma tank solo, but they won't kill **** with poor scan res and dmg.
Xelphior Caldari Constructive Influence	Posted - 2007.01.15 14:06:00 - [39] my advice then would be, get a blockade runner, indy lvl 5 transport ships 1 dont go into low sec with a bloody hauler and no escort if you have to solo it, have friends with you or take a blockade runner, they are notoriously hard to catch
Vol Jbolaz Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.15 14:49:00 - [40] Originally by: PCaBoo I don't even know what this has to do with sentry guns... Nothing, other than sentry guns are not really a problem. A lone battleship can tank them and slowly carve up a hauler. A sniper can avoid them and pop an unhardened hauler in two volleys. Two battleships, well... one tanks the sentries and tackles you, the other beats the crap out of you at range. You can avoid gate campers, but it is easy to gate camp. Sentries are not a problem.
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.15 15:01:00 - [41] The day sentrys get tougher is the day CCP finally nails the coffin shut for low sec solo piracy. Carebears will win eve eventually Welcome to world of evecraft.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.15 15:42:00 - [42] Originally by: Vol Jbolaz I just wager that more money can be made ratting. Unless that many people really pay ransom. Not sure why they would. If you pay ransom, that just means the pirates will do it agian. And some pirates won't even respect the ransom, so shame for paying it. I really don't understand this logic. Paying a Ransom = You keep your ship/pod with expensive implants, Not paying a ransom = you lose your ship/pod with expensive implants. But to each his own in the end Pirate gets the killmail and you are down 1 ship/expensive set of implants. But you sure showed them right? Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin Marcus Thinks Eve who knew!?
Karlemgne The Black Fleet	Posted - 2007.01.15 15:51:00 - [43] Originally by: Vol Jbolaz Okay, typical day of camping a gate in non-0.0, low security space... how much ISK do you make? And be honest. Typical day. You sit there for hours. You are easy to avoid, you can't kill everything that comes through since you are solo. You have to run from a fight since you are solo, and they always bring friends. You get the occasionally good score, but after how many hours? I just wager that more money can be made ratting. Unless that many people really pay ransom. Not sure why they would. If you pay ransom, that just means the pirates will do it agian. And some pirates won't even respect the ransom, so shame for paying it. Absolutely wrong. Gate camps can at time net billions in a single day. It is one of the most profitable activities in eve. -Karlemgne
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2007.01.15 17:42:00 - [44] Originally by: Miss Tabaki Edited by: Miss Tabaki on 14/01/2007 13:10:48 Quote: secondly would ppl stop using that silly term griefer for anyone who pops a hauler. a griefer is someone who does something with no gain from it just to ruin someone else's experience of the game. killing haulers is very profitable and is called piracy. therefore they are pirates not griefer ffs. Sure, could call the camps I have witnessed pirates. IF they picked up the loot, but they dont. I have been cloaked on several gate camps, from several different "pirate" corporations that hug the gate. They dont even have alts in haulers or what ever to go pick it up. It stays there til wrecks disapear! And that makes them griefers. But none the less, I shouldnt really bother much should I. Busting the camps is easy enough anyway. They had fun killing you. this makes them normal ppl enjoying the game. griefers are ppl who live off causing ppl grief in game and making their eve lives miserable. blowing up ships is fun, fact. i just hate egits using that word for anyone who pops a hauler or shuttle. and you don't know that they didn't collect the loot. or are you saying that you sat there for all that time until it blew up just watching ur wreck? and tbh these posts only ever crop up after someone gets killed so i'm guessing someone got u. it's low security and there is low security there. some security yes but it is low. correct no? DE
Fong SaiYuk The Establishment	Posted - 2007.01.16 04:44:00 - [45] Damn lag monkey ate my original reply. :evil: Originally by: Vol Jbolaz Okay, typical day of camping a gate in non-0.0, low security space... how much ISK do you make? And be honest. Typical day. You sit there for hours. You are easy to avoid, you can't kill everything that comes through since you are solo. You have to run from a fight since you are solo, and they always bring friends. You get the occasionally good score, but after how many hours? I just wager that more money can be made ratting. Unless that many people really pay ransom. Not sure why they would. If you pay ransom, that just means the pirates will do it agian. And some pirates won't even respect the ransom, so shame for paying it. Ok I guess others have replied to teh first query but yeah you can make a hundred to billions. Depends on who comes through and what they have. Who gets ganked? People who dont pay attention to chat channels where they may have been warned, people who afk autopilot via the shorter route that also happens to be lowsec. Yes gate camps can be easy to avoid but you will always have unscouted nublets who get ganked and then come to the forum to whine or to post their lil'conclusions drawn from assumptions about things they just refuse to understand. Let me elaborate. You said you lived in 0.0 and oh you must be a veteran? Hmmm. So living in 0.0 I guessed you've done your fair share of ratting? I know I have, and based on my >EXPERIENCES< I imagine you would loot the cans/wrecks. The best loot you probably take to empire to sell if you have a surplus yeah? You must have done this once or twice...well the majority of 0.0 access routes go via lowsec! Golly gosh I hear you say, yes their are the odd exception such as Hed-GP -> Kebers but taking loot through HED aint the brightest idea especially unscouted. Most are chokepoints such as Taisy -> M-O, Obe -> P3EN or Misaba to R3. So you have this experiance and therefore the information to draw a rational conclusion yet you insist on coming to the crime and punishment forum and making ill-concieved assumptions. I await your reply...

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