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Xelios
Minmatar
Rampage Eternal
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Posted - 2007.01.12 17:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Ceanthar Cerbera
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Heard of CFS?
They proved to EVE that a non-NBSI policy does not work for a large territory-holding alliance.
Well I havent heard of them but I have thought about this. It seem to me that the only case in wich you need NBSI is if you got a much bigger area of space "claimed" than you can patrol actively. Face it most big alliances have so much wich they cant possible control constantly so they need a very agressive policy to be able to lay claim to so much space. But isnt there something quite bizarre and megalomanic about having more systems than you can keep track of?
The open space thing has been tried before, it used to be common back in early release. But then you get all kinds of problems. Enemy alt scouts, pirates, people who just want to mine your ore or kill your npc's, and worst of all people constantly asking in alliance chat whether Jim Noob the neutral should be shot down or not... just to name a few. It's way too hard to keep track of who you can trust in your space and who you can't, so instead you set all your friends/trusted people to blue and assume anyone else has no business being in your space.
The reason nearly everyone has an NBSI policy is because it's the only thing that works.
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Xelios
Minmatar
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.01.12 17:32:00 -
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I realize this also. But what happened to asking and telling? Its simple "hey we live here and dont want you here. leave now and youll live". The shoot first ask later is cowardice. Especially when you have established your precense in a region and is superior.
And if he just ignores you and continues on into your space? Then you've let go the chance to destroy him, and now for the next x hours/days you have to constantly answer questions about him in alliance chat. "Should I kill Jim Noob?" *1 minute passes* "Yes he's an enemy scout" "Oh too late he already left". "Hey what about this guy is he supposed to be here?" "I dunno... anyone know him?" *5 minutes pass* "Oh well he's gone anyway" 10 minutes later... "OMG Jim Noob just blew up 3 cans full of ore I've been mining" and so on.
It takes 1 person to disrupt mining operations in an entire region. 1 person picking off haulers who are travelling through YOUR space, space that's supposed to be safe for your alliance. Dispite what you might think it doesn't matter how many people you have to defend your space, catching 1 person who doesn't want to be caught is HARD. Now imagine you let dozens of them into your space, just so a few actual noobs can do some sightseeing or mine a little ark. That's why alliances have NBSI policies, and that's why CFS failed.
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Xelios
Minmatar
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.01.12 17:58:00 -
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What's the point of owning space if you need an escort fleet every time you want to move a hauler around in it?
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Xelios
Minmatar
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.01.12 20:00:00 -
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Edited by: Xelios on 12/01/2007 20:01:42
Originally by: Ceanthar Cerbera
Edited by: Ceanthar Cerbera on 12/01/2007 18:05:24
Originally by: Xelios
Edited by: Xelios on 12/01/2007 17:59:33
What's the point of owning space if you need an escort fleet every time you want to move a hauler around in it?
whats the point of owning a car when someone might steal it tonight? I live in a quite safe town but I can never be sure I wont be robbed or worse. Still that dont make me runa around treating everyone with suspicion.
edit: well ok maybe I to view people with a little suspicion but I dont go araound beating them up just to be sure they wont do it to me.
I think a better analogy would be leaving the front door of your house wide open all the time with a little sign above saying "Please don't take my stuff". Inside you have tons of expensive electronics and all kinds of nice things that a lot of people would like to have but don't. Now when some complete stranger walks into your house without saying hello are you suspicious?
NBSI is a lot like leaving the door locked. It means "stay out of our space". But because we can't lock the gates the only way is to pod people out, asking nicely may work 1 time out of 10, the other 9 while you're asking nicely he's moving on about his business. Maybe he gives a little "lol yea right" in local before he jumps out too.
But as for the car analogy, if stealing that care wasn't against the law and the only person standing between the theif and a free $10,000 automobile was you, maybe you'd feel a little differently when you see people looking into the windows? In 0.0 anything goes, you have to assume the worst because more often than not that's exactly what you get. That's what makes it different from empire in the first place.
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