if it's offline then shoot it

Yeah, I would like to see high hacking skills used to get control towers to repackage when they are found offline.

You put up a large tower. Keep this fueled and death/dickstar it, and the most they can bring to you are battleships (Battlecruisers in a C1). I know there's a lot of people that have bashed towers in battleships and I think you'll all agree, it's mindless boring as **** thankless work. Very rarely do you get anything substantial at the end of it, in terms of gameplay or ISK, and the job is so dull and crap that any satisfaction you get at the end is just for the fact that it's finally over and you can go sleep cos it's 5am. Throw into this the dickstar tower and mass constrictions. This means that unless you find a HS each time, you can't bring forces into the hole (The chances of rolling the connection back on anything over than a C6 aren't worth it). Now when you're there, you're getting jammed to hell every so often, making it take all that longer.

If a group wants a tower down and have the capabilities to they will take it down regardless

You can take it down. That wasn't the point of my post. The point was that the effort and more importantly the time is, as both of you above said, really not worth it unless you have a massive reason to be there.

To get back on topic, I rather like the OP's suggestion that long abandoned POS towers take on a new "abandoned" status and be conquerable, repackagable, etc.

Make it the same 30+ days inactivity timer that an anchored GSC goes by perhaps.

POS control tower stands on its own because of how long they take to destroy them. Directional scan (D-scan) for Force Fields.

Yeah, I would like to see high hacking skills used to get control towers to repackage when they are found offline.

I'd go so far as to say that if a POS is offline, it should be vulnerable to hacking attacks. Once it's hacked, it's hacked to your corp and you can online or unanchor it.

This should be doable in hisec as well as low/null/ws, to clean out all the placeholder/abandoned POSes in hisec.

I'd go so far as to say that if a POS is offline, it should be vulnerable to hacking attacks. Once it's hacked, it's hacked to your corp and you can online or unanchor it.

This should be doable in hisec as well as low/null/ws, to clean out all the placeholder/abandoned POSes in hisec.

Yeah, that's a better mechanic than abandoned timers.

Hack it - make the chance really small and/or require several successes so it takes a little while (at least 10 minutes) - and then give it a reinforced timer where the original owners get eve mail and a time period to try and come un-hack it and put it back online.

Hack and it unanchors (everything). Otherwise, you can potentially "pick up" POS all over the ******* place because the hacker(s) don't have POS roles.

I vote for dedicated class of pos salvage ships which just hack the anchoring codes and change ownership of a pos.

Make it take X mins and produce one mail
That there is a security attempt on the pos.

if the owners can't show up in time (remember they got a bucket load of notifications that this pos was low on fuel), pos flips ownerrship to hacker.

This one change alone carves a huge career for pod pilots.
60 mins large,40 medium, 20 small (with perfect hacking skills, dedicated ship and modules etc)

Make it 3 days large, 2 medium and 1 day small.

Do you guys even play in wormholes anymore? If a group wants a tower down and have the capabilities to they will take it down regardless of what class it is and whether its dickstar'd, fleet of tengus could hammer a pos in a couple of hours and that dickstar is predictable and useless unless it has active pos gunners. It's whether the force required to take it down is worth the reward of actually removing it

POSs in WHs are still wrong IMO. It's a 0.0 system, you shouldn't be as safe as essentially high-sec when it comes to what can bash down your tower.

Gonna assume they don't wanna build a cap inside your hole, and we're talking about C4 and below:

You put up a large tower. Keep this fueled and death/dickstar it, and the most they can bring to you are battleships (Battlecruisers in a C1). I know there's a lot of people that have bashed towers in battleships and I think you'll all agree, it's mindless boring as **** thankless work. Very rarely do you get anything substantial at the end of it, in terms of gameplay or ISK, and the job is so dull and crap that any satisfaction you get at the end is just for the fact that it's finally over and you can go sleep cos it's 5am. Throw into this the dickstar tower and mass constrictions. This means that unless you find a HS each time, you can't bring forces into the hole (The chances of rolling the connection back on anything over than a C6 aren't worth it). Now when you're there, you're getting jammed to hell every so often, making it take all that longer.

C5/C6 are both different. C5s the only real way is to Cap-Inject: Have a scout in that WH find every nullsec he can over a while. Any which are in range of your caps, bring 3 in and logoffski. Caps bash POS, it's just a small nullsec pos-bash fleet.

C6s you have the option of force rolling the hole to get the target back again. There are so few C6s that this is a practical task (as shown the excellent Clarion Call vid). Of course, you require caps inside your hole, but that's no massive deal. This can give larger pos-bash fleets.

Side note to those that want moongoo in WHs: Not until the moongoo can be stolen/denied without smashing down the entire tower. Otherwise you have a fairly safe tower with a massive ISK printing machine.

Minutes mate. Minutes... if you want 'DAYS' of response time, PUT FUEL IN IT!!!!!

POSs in WHs are still wrong IMO. It's a 0.0 system

Only reason I said days is b/c r/l gets in the way sometimes, at least give people a chance especially with the timezone differences in this game :P

You should definitely be flagged with aggression while you're hacking a tower though.

This and the fact that there are just insane amounts of abandoned pos's littering moons (Left overs from the old SOV mechanic, owner of 51% of moons took sov).

In null space yes. But a large number of the idle towers in hi-sec are because of the way hi-sec anchoring works, spare towers are common. (Otherwise you have to grind up faction standings on every single character within the corp, or boot everyone out if you need to anchor an additional tower for expansion.)

Some new ore ship for that would be quite nice.

Sounds like a bunch of lazyasses don't want to work to remove a POS tower. I have no clue why "harsh" and "scam" describing other aspects of EVE would somehow let you steal an anchored object when you cannot steal an anchored GSC just because "Hacking" is coded in game for a PVE content but should somehow imply that it needs to affect PVP. Yeah, only makes sense if you don't think about it; lets not think that a single tower anchored but offline isn't being used at all, is not producing rewards, is at risk of being destroyed for just being there, and amazingly you are risk free when taking it down because no one will fire back BUT you don't want to shoot it because its boring. So in fact, you having a problem means that you must turn to CCP and "Help me Obi-Wan Kenobi, you are my only hope" to fix your probem when the tools are already in game. Hey, next time someone asks to buff the Hulk don't belittle them and try to come up with a response better then "lol tears" or HTFU but instead "Hey, why can't CCP buff a hulk because its so easy to kill. It would still be possible to kill it and I agree it should get a buff since I got to steal a POS that previously I wouldn't bother with." (<-- yeah right, when ever Hulk is mentioned its a flat out NO!)

Sounds like a bunch of lazyasses don't want to work to remove

I don't think this is a good enough reason for them to be just sitting there offline. yes it is a pain to put a high sec POS up. We bought a Corp with standings just to get on online. Those standings last for 7 days then thats's your window closed.

So what are you going to do in a few months when you outgrow your first POS tower? Because when you reach the point where you need to expand to more towers, you're going to have to kick all the members out who are dragging down your faction standings. Or are you going to anchor a bunch of spares and then pay to keep them fueled, even when they're not running any labs/arrays? Unless CCP changes the hi-sec POS mechanics, being able to anchor spares is a valid game mechanic (risky, but valid).

There's no in-game way to tell whether a tower is temporarily been left unfueled as a spare vs one that is abandoned.

Towers owned by corporations that have been disbanded - yes, those should simply unanchor and be scoopable.

Towers owned by corporations that have been disbanded - yes, those should simply unanchor and be scoopable.

I like where you're going with this... but I think the reinforced timer would wind up hurting the efforts to clean out wormholes of their abandoned POS's with little to no chance of the prior owners finding entry to the abandoned system to reactivate it. If you're in empire, you have little to no chance at all of finding any particular wormhole system on short notice. Plus the poor bugger that did the hacking may be up against his own way home being EoL so time's an issue there.

I would like to hear reason to this. Why is this problem?