Just going to point this out, that the quickest way to get the Minmatar out of slavery in the Amarr Empire is to stop agitating the situation. Give it time and they'll be freed.

In time perhaps there will no longer be a need for slaves, but for those who currently endure the practice of generational slavery I feel to abolish the practice without them having reached the end of the path would do them a great discredit.

I won't be able to convince you that it's not the abuse you believe it to be but I do have to somewhat stand with Ms Vea's assessment of the situation.

Moreover certainly one of the most expedient ways to see the emancipation of larger slave populations as well as a relative lack punishment would simply be to allow these slaves to complete the period of indoctrination peacefully.

Hang on, you can't have it both ways. You can't claim that they're broken reeds, submissive to the whims of their dreadful masters AND point out the fact that they rose en masse and revolted - per definition.

None of us can provide empirical evidence for our beliefs - even those of us who believe nothing, because absence of proof isn't proof of absence.

You speak of all these rights, from where do they come? Since you are so keen on this absurd empirical positive evidence standard, can you give me empirical evidence that they exist?

If you chose to look at all the signs of God and call them non-empirical, then that is your choice. It is, after all, your prerogative to continue to make poor choices. Of course, it is also your perogative to suffer the consequences of doing so.

It has brought many back into the sphere of all that is good.

How did we get to murdering infants? Obviously murdering infants is a bad thing, and I have yet to meet any Amarr that would advocate otherwise.

How can you possibly make pronouncements about what rights Amarr has or does not have using this definition? It would seem by your own barbaric definition that if we are capable of doing something we have the right to do so.

I have yet to meet an Amarr that has anything good to say about that event. I think most of them recognize that it was a failure of the highest magnitude-an atrocity never to be repeated.

The only rights are those given by God.

Arrendis, I will not ever try and argue that what happened to Starkman Prime was an aberration, an atrocity, and a failure of the highest order. It was wrong.

I do not know why Lord Idonis Ardishapur was not publicly punished; he was dead before I met Sister Rahma and learned about the Amarr faith.

As someone whose homeworld was ordered destroyed by a maniacal despot, I can only be thankful that Admiral Yanala had the honor to disobey such an order. I wish that someone in the fleet over Starkman Prime had done something similar. I do believe now, based on all the Amarr that I have met, were a similar order to be given (which I do not believe it would be) that it would be refused. Which is where I stand today. The Empire that I have come to know is one which has learned from its failures and defeats. Though, to call Starkman Prime a failure is to woefully understate the magnitude of such a thing.

Granted, my understanding is more limited, but it's only the True Amarr that stand above. And they stand above simply because of a longer experience of living righteously and in accordance with God's law.

From my reading of Scripture, no. The champion of House Sarum was Ni-Kunni, but the champion of House Ardishapur was Reclaimed Minmatar.