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Crausaum
Ixion Defence Systems
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.01.13 06:21:00 -
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It is at this time that The Cyrene Initiative would like announce it's withdrawal from the EVE roleplay community.
At this time we feel there is little future for Gallente roleplay under the current conditions and fail to see any possible rewards for continuing in the current state of affairs.
Individual corporations inside Cyrene may at some point return to the roleplay community and the alliance as a whole may return someday should CCP see fit to provide entertaining content in the Gallente community.
As it currently stands Cyrene pilots are underwhelmed by the roleplay available to us and with the effective subjugation of our Caldari counterparts our only roleplay available for the past months has been to engage in operations to open the trade lanes of Placid, as well as Syndicate chokepoints, for general use.
As many of the EVE roleplay community know Cyrene is currently being warred upon by the forces of Intaki Union, The Star Fraction, The Sani Sabik, and Fatal Persuasion (The Black Rabbits).
At this point we are so severely outnumbered in combat forces that we see no possibility of victory in the overall war and are unable to even engage in any meaningful battles due to the sheer size of the enemy forces arrayed against us.
Surrender conditions supplied to us would effectively end our ability to roleplay in our chosen area and as such we have come to the conclusion that it would be more enjoyable to leave roleplay rather than to attempt to continue on in a crippled state.
As a parting note we would like to say that after reviewing the forums at http://www.eve-chatsubo.com/ we would like to clear some of the blame that may fall upon Star Fraction and The Black Rabbits for our departure.
We find that their reasons for entering the war would have been sound if not for the fact that Intaki Union fabricated much of the information that they based their war declarations on.
To our knowledge at no point in our wars against Intaki Union and The Patriot Society did Cyrene gangs exceed 20 pilots and at no time did our battleship elements in these gangs exceed 8 vessels.
The reports of 20 battleship gangs that motivated Star Fraction and allies into the war were fabricated by the leadership of Intaki Union to gain them support in a war that they had declared but were ultimately loosing desite enjoying equal fighting forces.
In closing we would like to ask any remaining active Gallente roleplayers not to loose heart over our leaving the community and encourage them to continue to try to cultivate the Gallente storyline.
Sadly our casual play style prevented us from investing the time needed to develop it but with some effort, and some assistance from Aurora, we are sure that the community will someday prosper.
-The Cyrene Initiative
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Suleyman
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.13 06:26:00 -
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I find that some people mistake theather for roleplay.
You can't expect people to follow a script that suits your way of RP.
Others will have other ideas and will enforce them upon you if they can.
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Myadra
Amarr
Blood Inquisition
Sani Khal'Vecna
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Posted - 2007.01.13 07:14:00 -
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Edited by: Myadra on 13/01/2007 07:11:59
Just a bit of experience for me, roleplay is not always about winning, but can be about losing too, fighting a losing battle can be fun too, as long as your roleplaying.. it might not be to your script or liking but.., Like our sect, was at war with CVA / AM alliances Amarr loyalists, alliances 5x our size.. as well as the Amarr empire, who was fighting the Blood Raiders, they and us where defeated back then.., we always fought outnumbered, and adapted to it, fought differently, used different tactics...
The Blood Raiders relocated to Delve region, and We dealt with it, and moved on.. and changed with time, If you do not Evolve, you become a victim of it .. As my Nemesis Sirmolle likes to say ;)
Really, but if your roleplay is no longer fun, by the sounds of it.. it sounds messy and complex, and sub plots in plots, then I support your decision to walk away from things, but just because you could not fight, seems a bad excuse.
Remember, Aurora is there to just do some events, don't expect them to cater to your alliances/roleplay needs, in fact, like us, they may nearly ruin your game experience, like moving your agents 52+ jumps into 0.0 .. without warning :)
I think you lost touch with what roleplay is, and got to involved in fighting and politics, and sub plots, and not your message & own goals, and to run its own events, plots and storys and create a roleplay experience for the gallente federation.
Anyway, good luck and have fun, whatever your future holds.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.13 07:41:00 -
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As a director of the Star Fraction IÆm going to give you the following response:
This is an out of character forum so itÆs going to be as one player to another.
Firstly you should know that Star Fraction does not recognise any boundaries or artificial territorial divides between the Eve ôroleplay communityö and the rest of the cluster. We are all playing the same game, we share the same systems, we compete in the same markets and anything we do anywhere in Eve can be reacted too by any other player if they so choose. ôRoleplayersö need to master the same elements of the game that any other player does û they donÆt have special advantages and they donÆt have special weaknesses or flaws û ôroleplayersö can become the best pvpers, the most successful industrialists, the most brutal scheming manipulators and whatever can be achieved in this game.
So that said weÆre not going to recognise your ôout of character withdrawalö from a ôroleplay communityö we do not see or accept is separate in any way from the rest of the server. You are the executor of an alliance that has made its policy in the past and described yourself in a certain way û this has brought you into war with the Star Fraction and if you want to extricate yourself from this war you are going to have to do it in a way of our choosing in a medium of our choice. Otherwise û you are going to have to fight.
Until we receive the full and formal IC surrender we are seeking along with all the terms we have specified we will continue offensive operations against Cyrene Initiative ships and assets and continue to press the advantage we currently have in space. Deny us these terms and we will bring ruin to your economic structures and confusion and chaos to your fleets until your alliance risks elimination and dissolution.
We are an alliance that roleplays our interactions with the whole community wherever or not they respect our intentions û that is to say we donÆt care if you consider you are roleplaying or not. Its our firm belief that when you log-in to eve you are consenting to be judged and assessed on your in-game actions by other players and they may go to war with you if they see fit. We saw fit. So War continues until you meet our terms.
There is no easy way out by announcing YOU are no longer ôroleplayingö.
Thank you for your time.
Star Fraction is recruiting
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Nooey
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.13 07:45:00 -
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 Originally by: Crausaum
It is at this time that The Cyrene Initiative would like announce it's withdrawal from the EVE roleplay community.
You might not want to hear this mate, but there is no leaving the Roleplay community. Whilst I understand the sentiment of your post, and that CYI wishes nothing to do with RP-focused groups, you have to understand that for many people, everything in eve is Roleplay. Even CCP has at times, has said as much.
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Individual corporations inside Cyrene may at some point return to the roleplay community and the alliance as a whole may return someday should CCP see fit to provide entertaining content in the Gallente community.
With all due respect Crau, CCP work tirelessly on developing Prime Fiction for all empires. I wont deny that overall, events, news articles, and other Prime Fiction material is focused mostly on other Empires, but not that significantly, in all honesty. And most importantly, Prime Fiction is just a small part of the overall Roleplay picture. Myadra makes some excellent points about running your own RP angles, your own events, etc. It's really true, you can't look to CCP alone to be the source of your roleplay, you have to look within, and at other players as well. It comes from many angles.
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As it currently stands Cyrene pilots are underwhelmed by the roleplay available to us and with the effective subjugation of our Caldari counterparts our only roleplay available for the past months has been to engage in operations to open the trade lanes of Placid, as well as Syndicate chokepoints, for general use.
The roleplay available to any given group is limited only by their own imagination and creative drive. Passionate roleplayers don't even need anything further from CCP to have fun with RP, they just run with what's there already and build off from there on their own.
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At this point we are so severely outnumbered in combat forces that we see no possibility of victory in the overall war and are unable to even engage in any meaningful battles due to the sheer size of the enemy forces arrayed against us.
I guess the definition of "meaningful" varies from person to person here. But if Omerta was declared upon by vastly superior foes, we'd come out in Tech I-fitted, Tech I cruisers and try and kill a HAC or something before we went down. The very notion of "fighting back, not matter what" would for us at least, be meaningful.
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Surrender conditions supplied to us would effectively end our ability to roleplay in our chosen area and as such we have come to the conclusion that it would be more enjoyable to leave roleplay rather than to attempt to continue on in a crippled state.
The Fraction has shown already that it is open to surrender conditions, so the only real, practical and pragmatic crippling of CYI would be in RP terms. Like Myadra says, it's not always about winning.
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We find that their reasons for entering the war would have been sound if not for the fact that Intaki Union fabricated much of the information that they based their war declarations on.
You were declared upon because of who you are, not because of some kind of evidence.
Anyways, I'm sad to see this man...hopefully CYI can sort itself out. Best of luck in the future.
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Usagi Tsukino
Caldari
APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.01.13 07:53:00 -
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Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
lots of stuff...
Hope CYI had a plan B......
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Yarod Cool
Team JAVELIN
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.01.13 08:37:00 -
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Originally by: Nooey
You were declared upon because of who you are
CYI is discarding that identity. I suspect Crau will now pursue steps to end the war. |
Vendrin
Caldari
APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.01.13 08:45:00 -
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While I don't like Star Fractions modus operandi which no doubt pushed you to this result, it does seem a rather sad way to go, and I'd encourage you to rethink it and fight back the best you can, and when that doesn't work surrender. I had to bite the bullet, and the taste is rather bitter, but you do what you have to do, and abandoning something you've worked at for a while just doesn't seem like it's gonna be a good thing in the long run.
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Temekin Sajek
Minmatar
Ixion Defence Systems
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.01.13 09:52:00 -
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As Yarrod mentioned, I think it's implied that this will be accompanied by IC changes to our corp bio's etc. to reflect our more state-neutral agenda. This is something that was being discussed even before this war, which I have firmly believed from the start to be a case of mistaken identity. Quote "Pro-Federation" from corp bios and talk of the corruption in the heart of the Federation all you like, many individuals in CYI agree with you, but the fact is that for most in CYI, "Pro-Federation" has always implied a belief in the ideals, and support of the people in the planet and spacebound communities, rather than support for a far less than perfect government. Find some official statements from CYI in which we support the oppression of the self-determination seeking Intaki, or hail the bombing of Caldari prime, dont just write about the government and stains on the Federations history and say "look here, this is why we're fighting this war". This also extends to IU. "Therefore if you were to openly change your policies/practices to reflect a more favorable view for a free Intaki State this would satify Intaki Union". Thats taken from a a mail from the then CEO of IU at the outbreak of the surrent war with them. The problem of course is that CYI as a whole has never been opposed to the peaceful creation of a self-governing Intaki community. Do your damn research.
I suppose this is a slightly bizzare mix of in and out-of-character, but those are my thoughts.
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2007.01.13 10:05:00 -
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Edited by: Plutoinum on 13/01/2007 10:04:13
Originally by: Jasmine Constantine
We are an alliance that roleplays our interactions with the whole community wherever or not they respect our intentions û that is to say we donÆt care if you consider you are roleplaying or not. Its our firm belief that when you log-in to eve you are consenting to be judged and assessed on your in-game actions by other players and they may go to war with you if they see fit. We saw fit. So War continues until you meet our terms.
Like that view. I never liked some kind of scripted roleplay much. The fun should be the immersion. It's surely more immersive, if you just do what you would do, if you really were in place of your char, like a freedom fighter or whatever and that virtual world was real. And then make your decisions based on that.
CTD/con-loss vs. log-out. A proposal for a fix. |
innot
Minmatar
Technology 42
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Posted - 2007.01.13 11:13:00 -
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This is a sad day for the Federation 
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Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.13 12:41:00 -
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We are all RPers in EVE whether we like it or not...
That applies just as much to an alliance such as BoB, Burn Eden or the Privateers as much it does to organisations such as the CVA or UShra'Khan with 'perceived' or 'declared' roleplay interest.
It is we the pilots of EVE that create the story of the game through our own actions. It is the Empires we build that count. We are ALL roleplayers (whether some would like to admit that or not)
There is no escape from roleplay in EVE. CYI's desire to surrender to the Star Fraction coalition is roleplay in its own way. You therefore cannot expect SF and friends to stop attacking you simply be stating that you are leaving the 'roleplay' community.
The fact is you have buckled under the pressure and seem to be begging for mercy now - just my perception from what I have read here...
What would you have done if a non-'proclaimed'-rp group had attacked you and caused similar damage? Would you have come here asking them to stop attacking you because you didn't think they had a reason to attack you?
If you cannot hack a war then you have to accept the terms of surrender of those attacking you (whether they are 'official' RPers or just a group of people out for pew pew fun.)
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Sable Schroedinger
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.13 12:43:00 -
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As many of the EVE roleplay community know Cyrene is currently being warred upon by the forces of Intaki Union, The Star Fraction, The Sani Sabik, and Fatal Persuasion (The Black Rabbits).
At this point we are so severely outnumbered in combat forces that we see no possibility of victory in the overall war and are unable to even engage in any meaningful battles due to the sheer size of the enemy forces arrayed against us.
Surrender conditions supplied to us would effectively end our ability to roleplay in our chosen area and as such we have come to the conclusion that it would be more enjoyable to leave roleplay rather than to attempt to continue on in a crippled state.
Sorry to be brutal here, but basically, what this says is: The surrender conditions we have been given means we can't RP as we want to, so we're going to stop RPing altogether. Or, as it was known when I was a kid. We're losing so we're going to take our ball back.
Lets cut to the bare bones here. The surrender terms (in your opinion) mean you're going to have to abandon your RP stance - the fact that RP is fluid and 3 dimensional and not static 2 dimensional seems to have escaped you. So, in reply you're going to abandon your RP stance by "withdrawing" from the RP community". In other words, your problem here is not with the surrender terms, the war or anything else. Its purely based around admitting you've been defeated. And THAT is something very sad in a game and is tantamount to tipping the board over and storming off because you're losing.
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Hardin
Amarr
Imperial Dreams
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.13 12:56:00 -
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Edited by: Hardin on 13/01/2007 12:53:54
...and btw, if your 'roleplayers' were really committed to their politics /roleplay position and were upset with surrender to SF and co. - then they would do what most people would do in an organisation that had let them down - leave and form another organisation which reflects their own political/roleplay position and maybe has more balls...
I can remember when PIE was first formed - we were a spanking new corp - full of inexperienced players - and we were up against uber Oracle - full of beta veterans + a whole host of other Minnie 'terrorist' groups. We lost many fights and spent many hours being camped - which may not have been the most fun - but we stuck to our guns and if you do that then you earn respect - which in turn attracts more ironclad recruits...
If CYI really dont want to fight then I am afraid you are just going to have to accept whatever terms Star Fraction offers. If that means that you can no longer 'RP' the way you want to well then SF has won IC and OOC... SImply saying you no longer RP is just ridiculous in my opinion...
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Lexiana Del'Amore
Gallente
Equilibrium Society
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Posted - 2007.01.13 13:06:00 -
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If the The Cyrene Initiative no longer believes in the founding principles of the Federation, or is unwilling to fight for these principles out of pitty self-interest, then it should disband
completely rather than staying as a testement to their own failure in upholding Liberty and Freedom for all mankind.
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Hin Vemere
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Posted - 2007.01.13 13:59:00 -
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Edited by: Hin Vemere on 13/01/2007 14:01:23
Originally by: Lexiana Del'Amore
it should disband completely rather than staying as a testement to their own failure in upholding Liberty and Freedom for all mankind.
OOC section, dude.
What exactly were SF's demands? I went back and read the original declaration and after translating from the Fractionese I couldn't find anything concrete. |
Lexiana Del'Amore
Gallente
Equilibrium Society
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Posted - 2007.01.13 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Hin Vemere
OOC section, dude.
What exactly were SF's demands? I went back and read the original declaration and after translating from the Fractionese I couldn't find anything concrete.
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The Cosmopolite
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.13 15:18:00 -
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Originally by: Hin Vemere
OOC section, dude.
What exactly were SF's demands? I went back and read the original declaration and after translating from the Fractionese I couldn't find anything concrete.
They have our terms.
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The Star Fraction Recruitment |
Lyonesse
Gallente
The Elysium Sanctum
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Posted - 2007.01.13 17:26:00 -
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Until EVE actually manifests into real life the point will be:
IT IS ALL ROLE PLAY
Violence is the first refuge of the incompetent.
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Tatsue Nuko
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.13 17:30:00 -
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Edited by: Tatsue Nuko on 13/01/2007 17:26:44
Sigh.
To be honest, the only possible response can be:
"You have our terms."
That said, Nooey and Hardin (how's them Gallente wenches doing?) makes some good points.
Edit: And Lyonesse is on the money, Garreck Doctrine ftw. :D
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RedSky Hail
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Posted - 2007.01.13 17:56:00 -
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"taking back the ball"
No, we basically pulled all of the excuses for them to wardec out from under their feet, and now they will say EVERYONE roleplays so they can try to continue it.
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Sable Schroedinger
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.13 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: RedSky Hail
"taking back the ball"
No, we basically pulled all of the excuses for them to wardec out from under their feet, and now they will say EVERYONE roleplays so they can try to continue it.
hows that not "taking back your ball"?
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Fabrice Enchante
Gallente
Active Measures
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Posted - 2007.01.13 18:24:00 -
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As a simple Gallente businessman, this communication saddens me. It is yet another symptom of the swing throughout the cluster from progress to stagnation, from energy to entropy. We are descending into an anarchy that will snuff the flames of human progress.
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Crausaum
Ixion Defence Systems
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.01.13 18:26:00 -
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I'll have a talk with the people in Cyrene, hopefully some of the comments in here will help stiffen up the resistance of the non roleplaying faction.
I'll try to talk to them about the fact that renouncing roleplay will not get them free of these sorts of events.
As people say, the true roleplayers will have to found their own faction or seperate Cyrene from the non roleplayers.
In either event it will come down to the choices of distancing friends or furthering roleplay, in this case we do not get to choose both.
Thank you for the comments and I will see what I can do to salvage the situation and rally Cyrene.
I think the main factor that is bothering most pilots at this time is our lack of allies and a general feeling of isolation.
Anyway you look at this I am still stuck with being the executor of Cyrene at this time and at the end of the day must push for the decision that best suits the majority of the alliance I represent even if it goes against my personal wishes.
It will be a few days before we issue either an IC surrender or undergo a massive policy shift inside Cyrene so I segest everyone keep on ejoying the wars as much as they can.
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Sable Schroedinger
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.13 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Crausaum
I'll have a talk with the people in Cyrene, hopefully some of the comments in here will help stiffen up the resistance of the non roleplaying faction.
I'll try to talk to them about the fact that renouncing roleplay will not get them free of these sorts of events.
As people say, the true roleplayers will have to found their own faction or seperate Cyrene from the non roleplayers.
In either event it will come down to the choices of distancing friends or furthering roleplay, in this case we do not get to choose both.
Thank you for the comments and I will see what I can do to salvage the situation and rally Cyrene.
I think the main factor that is bothering most pilots at this time is our lack of allies and a general feeling of isolation.
Anyway you look at this I am still stuck with being the executor of Cyrene at this time and at the end of the day must push for the decision that best suits the majority of the alliance I represent even if it goes against my personal wishes.
It will be a few days before we issue either an IC surrender or undergo a massive policy shift inside Cyrene so I segest everyone keep on ejoying the wars as much as they can.
well said, and much respect to you for saying so.
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Temekin Sajek
Minmatar
Ixion Defence Systems
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.01.13 18:48:00 -
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Aye. Nicely said Craus. Lets get to the drawing board and continue this ICly.
Fine points from Nooey and Hardin too. Kudos.
Thats all
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JabJabVVV
Total Mayhem.
Maelstrom Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.13 19:43:00 -
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Edited by: JabJabVVV on 13/01/2007 19:40:24
I'm going with the 'The whole game is roleplay' camp here.
Whether you are aligned with one of the 4 factions or not does not determine whether you role play or not; If you play the game then you role play. In real life I am pretty much a pacifist I guess. I think war and violence are barbaric and should be avoided at all costs; however in Eve I have no problem with 'killing' some stranger who wanders into whatever system I am currently inhabiting and this is because I role play quite a brutal person in the Eve universe (this is because I reckon the Eve universe is a pretty brutal place and to get stuff done you have to be brutal yourself) just because I don't worry about story line announcements or speak in a funny way it doesn't mean I don't role play. If you 'stop role playing' I think you will quickly find you haven't actually stopped role playing. From the looks of it you have been forced to abandon your ideology by hostile forces with an opposing ideology therefore you have been beaten in a war over ideology - there is no way you cannot roleplay it (please excuse any mistakes due to ignorance of the precise details of the situation).
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patteSatan
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.13 20:00:00 -
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I am waiting for the faction wars...
Hardin, I will be on your side, even if Im a "pirate", I did many missions to get hated of gallente (I get a stupid warning).....I will get hated by the minmatarr skum also.
Regards
patteSatan
Oh, I'm former IAC
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ElweSingollo
Starlancers
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Posted - 2007.01.13 20:57:00 -
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Originally by: patteSatan
I am waiting for the faction wars...
Hardin, I will be on your side, even if Im a "pirate", I did many missions to get hated of gallente (I get a stupid warning).....I will get hated by the minmatarr skum also.
Regards
patteSatan
Oh, I'm former IAC
That is something i await with interest too although I am on the opposite side of the fence from you in the sense that but for diplomacy skills would be disliked by Caldari and Amarr ^_^.
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Shintoko Akahoshi
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.13 22:08:00 -
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My first baby steps into RP were as a militant Gallente nationalist, so I've always had a soft spot for nationalist Gallente RP - which has carried over to my general predisposition towards CYI.
That said, the problem here isn't that you're being unfairly ganged up on, or that IU supplied false intel (can you imagine, for instance, ****** saying "Normandy? But all our intel says otherwise! No fair!"), or that CCP doesn't support RP. The problem is that you guys liked the sound of portraying yourselves as combat oriented, but don't actually want to behave like a combat force.
Look, I'm not trying to make value judgments about how people want to play the game. I'm not saying that combat forces are better than industrial concerns. But you should portray yourselves in a manner according to the way you like to play the game, not according to the way you think people want to see you.
Making "I'm going home, and taking my ball with me!" posts really just drives nails into your own coffin, as an alliance. Unlike games with multiple servers, the fact that all of us play on this server makes for some really long memories in the minds of players. Go out like this, and you've basically thrown away your alliance. Which might me what you want, but it strikes me as sour grapes.
The way I see it, you've got a few options open to you:
1. - Throw away your alliance, start over. This is probably the worst thing you could do, in my opinion.
2. - Decide that you don't want to be a combat alliance, surrender your wars, and revamp yourselves however you want. You'll take the PR hit of surrender, but you'll also have peoples respect for facing up to things. That respect is hard currency that you can spend as you develop your alliance from that point.
3. - Decide that you want to be a combat alliance, but that you're hosed right now and you don't want to fight these wars. Surrender them. Rebuild. Figure out how you're going to get past the surrender terms later on.
4. - Decide that you want to be a combat alliance, that you're hosed right now, and that you've lost. Work from this point. This is personally what I think would be most interesting for you to do.
5. - Decide that you want to be a combat alliance, that you're not hosed, and that you're gonna bounce back like Rocky. If this is the case, then just go for it.
6. - Decide that you're not a combat alliance, that you're wealthy, and that you want to continue your wars. Hire mercs. Go nuts. This is how industrial concerns fight.
Personally I think option 4 would be the most interesting, and I think that the tactical situation ("we're hosed!") is accurate. Just because you're hosed doesn't mean that you have no options. There are ways for people who are hosed, yet defiant, to fight with very few resources. Since people like to compare the Gallente with the French during world war II, just look at the French resistance. There are a bunch of people who know how to do this, who'd probably help you learn it if you asked.
Just don't do the sour grapes thing. It's no good.
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Nooey
Omerta Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.13 23:34:00 -
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Nice post Crau, good to see you're still the open-minded leader I remembered you as. As I said earlier, best of luck with CYI's next steps. 
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2007.01.13 23:35:00 -
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RP is just the gravy that makes the game a little sweeter, puts a little more wind in your sail, gives you a REASON to fight.
Otherwise the mechanics are exactly the same for both RP'ers and non-RP'ers.
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Malthros Zenobia
Caldari Independent Navy Reserve
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Posted - 2007.01.14 01:04:00 -
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'Leaving Roleplay' because of someone else's actions is a lousy thing to do, and it doesn't just fix things. It doesn't matter if someone has a bigger gun, they won't ever kill an idea or method of RP.
So, now what do you do?
Originally by: kieron
The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
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Jack Malus
Gallente
Phoenix Wing
Electus Matari
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Posted - 2007.01.14 04:32:00 -
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Edited by: Jack Malus on 14/01/2007 04:43:21
Originally by: Hardin
I can remember when PIE was first formed - we were a spanking new corp - full of inexperienced players - and we were up against uber Oracle - full of beta veterans + a whole host of other Minnie 'terrorist' groups. We lost many fights and spent many hours being camped - which may not have been the most fun - but we stuck to our guns and if you do that then you earn respect - which in turn attracts more ironclad recruits...
We're in our third war as a young corp and I'm finding this to be true in terms of attracting more solid recruits.
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Ryoji Tanakama
Caldari
Daikoku Fleet Shipyards
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Posted - 2007.01.14 05:08:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Crausaum
Edited by: Crausaum on 13/01/2007 07:17:22
It is at this time that The Cyrene Initiative would like announce it's withdrawal from the EVE roleplay community.
At this time we feel there is little future for Gallente roleplay under the current conditions and fail to see any possible rewards for continuing in the current state of affairs.
Individual corporations inside Cyrene may at some point return to the roleplay community and the alliance as a whole may return someday should CCP see fit to provide entertaining content in the Gallente community.
As it currently stands Cyrene pilots are underwhelmed by the roleplay available to us and with the effective subjugation of our Caldari counterparts our only roleplay available for the past months has been to engage in operations to open the trade lanes of Placid, as well as Syndicate chokepoints, for general use.
As many of the EVE roleplay community know Cyrene is currently being warred upon by the forces of Intaki Union, The Star Fraction, The Sani Sabik, and Fatal Persuasion (The Black Rabbits).
At this point we are so severely outnumbered in combat forces that we see no possibility of victory in the overall war and are unable to even engage in any meaningful battles due to the sheer size of the enemy forces arrayed against us.
Surrender conditions supplied to us would effectively end our ability to roleplay in our chosen area and as such we have come to the conclusion that it would be more enjoyable to leave roleplay rather than to attempt to continue on in a crippled state.
As a parting note we would like to say that after reviewing the forums at http://www.eve-chatsubo.com/ we would like to clear some of the blame that may fall upon Star Fraction and The Black Rabbits for our departure.
We find that their reasons for entering the war would have been sound if not for the fact that Intaki Union fabricated much of the information that they based their war declarations on.
To our knowledge at no point in our wars against Intaki Union and The Patriot Society did Cyrene gangs exceed 20 pilots and at no time did our battleship elements in these gangs exceed 8 vessels.
The reports of 20 battleship gangs that motivated Star Fraction and allies into the war were fabricated by the leadership of Intaki Union to gain them support in a war that they had declared but were ultimately loosing desite enjoying equal fighting forces.
In closing we would like to ask any remaining active Gallente roleplayers not to loose heart over our leaving the community and encourage them to continue to try to cultivate the Gallente storyline.
Sadly our casual play style prevented us from investing the time needed to develop it but with some effort, and some assistance from Aurora, we are sure that the community will someday prosper.
-The Cyrene Initiative
Edit - I would like to add that the pro-roleplaying forces are for contining this war but unfortunatly Cyrene is not comprised entirely of roleplaying groups and we cannot in good faith suject our friends to a war that gains them nothing while costing them greatly.
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Femfatally
INTAKI UNION
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Posted - 2007.01.14 15:17:00 -
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Originally by: Crausaum
Edited by: Crausaum on 14/01/2007 05:56:23
As a parting note we would like to say that after reviewing the forums at http://www.eve-chatsubo.com/ we would like to clear some of the blame that may fall upon Star Fraction and The Black Rabbits for our departure.
We find that their reasons for entering the war would have been sound if not for the fact that Intaki Union fabricated much of the information that they based their war declarations on.
To our knowledge at no point in our wars against Intaki Union and The Patriot Society did Cyrene gangs exceed 20 pilots and at no time did our battleship elements in these gangs exceed 8 vessels.
The reports of 20 battleship gangs that motivated Star Fraction and allies into the war were fabricated by the leadership of Intaki Union to gain them support in a war that they had declared but were ultimately loosing desite enjoying equal fighting forces.
I have fought with myself trying to convince myself not to reply to this topic as its just lame but... I feel that Intaki Union needs to straighten up this "parting note"
You are stating that: 1 Intaki Union tricked Star Fraction and its allies into declaring war on you by giving false information, 2 That Star Fraction came to our aid because we are weak.
This is a lie and just plain stupid.
Let me start by stating that Star Fraction and Intaki Union committed to go to war on you long before Intaki UnionÆs war went active. So these supposed false accounts of your military strength had nothing to do with Star Fractions war dec on you. Secondly, there were no false reports of your strength or weakness. I believe that Star Fraction and Intaki Union are getting from this war exactly what we expected. (though I didnÆt expect the ôwe donÆt want to RP anymore lameness to be dropped by youö.
On the Star Fraction coming to our aid because we are weak and loosing, I donÆt know where you are getting your statistics from but not counting POS assistance or Joint ops with Star Fraction and the others in the war, we are beating you solidly. Intaki Union didnÆt enter this war with the expectation of fighting it alone. Our losses provided excellent experience for us and your losses, well, your losses caused your membership to drop
Femfatally
CEO - Intaki Union
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"When patience has begotten false estimates of its motives, when wrongs are pressed because it is believed they will be borne, resistance becomes morality" -- Ancient Freedom Fighter |
Yarod Cool
Team JAVELIN
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.01.14 16:23:00 -
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Yes Femfatally, we know this war is a grudge match, and we also know that Star Fraction was already hanging around waiting to get into the fight.
I think the frustration is evident in the OP. It would probably be best to let this thread die.
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Jasmine Constantine
Gallente
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.14 17:06:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Yarod Cool
Yes Femfatally, we know this war is a grudge match, and we also know that Star Fraction was already hanging around waiting to get into the fight.
I think the frustration is evident in the OP. It would probably be best to let this thread die.
I think if you substitute "hanging around waiting to get into the fight" for "performing the neccessary logistics and intel tasks and making sure we had all the elements in place for a successful war" you'll be nearer the mark.
Star Fraction is recruiting
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Oica
Gallente
Red Eclipse Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.14 22:37:00 -
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Im wondering why Star Fraction is allowing Intaki Union to take credit for everything they are doing.
Before SF arrived, the war against intaki union was going VERY well. yet...
Intaki union seems to think they were winning the whole time.
(and btw, which opposing entity is going to take credit for all their losses?)
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Tatsue Nuko
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.14 23:47:00 -
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Oica,
We're interested in results, not arguments over who shot how many and who ran how many times, and I do not believe there's been any cases of IU trying to take credit that is our due.
Nice attempt at trying to split us, though. But just like last time you need to realize it's transparent.
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Oica
Gallente
Red Eclipse Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.14 23:52:00 -
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Edited by: Oica on 14/01/2007 23:51:12
I refer to their numerous IGS postings. Im not trying to do anything. Im asking a question i actually want to hear answered. Why is SF allowing IU to take credit for ALL of the kills, ALL of the "victories", and the kill of a small pos?
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DarkNicodimus
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.01.15 00:51:00 -
[42]
Quote:
On the Star Fraction coming to our aid because we are weak and loosing, I donÆt know where you are getting your statistics from but not counting POS assistance or Joint ops with Star Fraction and the others in the war, we are beating you solidly. Intaki Union didnÆt enter this war with the expectation of fighting it alone. Our losses provided excellent experience for us and your losses, well, your losses caused your membership to drop
Femfatally
CEO - Intaki Union
Not sure were you get your stats from but your own board says 25 kills to 20 losses in your favor and our board says 29 kills and 24 losses in our favor.
To make a statement saying your are beating us solidly once again shows how inaccurate your are.By all accounts you are not winning the war yourself vs CYI.Based solely on combat between IU and CYI your are losing.
Infact i have not seen any IU in the stacom area since your Fleet was utterly destroyed on Tuesday Jan 2.That was the last time any IU fleet of any size has been seen by our night crew.That was a 10 on 10 fight were you guys lost everything
As far as SF goes we have been engaging them everytime our PVP group has been on.
Taking out the pod kills the stats are not that bad for us 12 kills to 17 losses as our board shows it.The statement that our losses caused our membership to drop,although true is not accurate.We lost a 15 man industrial corp because they got tired of your fighters targeting there industry ships.
CYI has refrained from posting much, but because of the blatant inaccurate statements being made by some i could not hold back anymore
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Freada
Gallente
Blue Labs
Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2007.01.15 01:11:00 -
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I was there at the creation of the Initiative. After my corporation left, the alliance went through many hard times not the least of which is short shift from CCP. I have followed your struggles after my move to 0.0 and while I understand your reasons for stopping it will be a dark day for what little is left of Gallente roleplay in the Eve universe if you do.
GL guys
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Bastables
Amarr
INTAKI UNION
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Posted - 2007.01.15 08:17:00 -
[44]
Originally by: DarkNicodimus
Quote:
On the Star Fraction coming to our aid because we are weak and loosing, I don’t know where you are getting your statistics from but not counting POS assistance or Joint ops with Star Fraction and the others in the war, we are beating you solidly. Intaki Union didn’t enter this war with the expectation of fighting it alone. Our losses provided excellent experience for us and your losses, well, your losses caused your membership to drop
Femfatally
CEO - Intaki Union
Not sure were you get your stats from but your own board says 25 kills to 20 losses in your favor and our board says 29 kills and 24 losses in our favor.
To make a statement saying your are beating us solidly once again shows how inaccurate your are.By all accounts you are not winning the war yourself vs CYI.Based solely on combat between IU and CYI your are losing.
Infact i have not seen any IU in the stacom area since your Fleet was utterly destroyed on Tuesday Jan 2.That was the last time any IU fleet of any size has been seen by our night crew.That was a 10 on 10 fight were you guys lost everything
As far as SF goes we have been engaging them everytime our PVP group has been on.
Taking out the pod kills the stats are not that bad for us 12 kills to 17 losses as our board shows it.The statement that our losses caused our membership to drop,although true is not accurate.We lost a 15 man industrial corp because they got tired of your fighters targeting there industry ships.
CYI has refrained from posting much, but because of the blatant inaccurate statements being made by some i could not hold back anymore
Very intresting as our boards show 34 kills to 20 losses as of this date.
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DarkNicodimus
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.01.16 06:28:00 -
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Well it not uncommon for pilots to miss recording a few deaths but our board shows
33 kills for us and only 26 losses
Our board isnt edited like yours and actually shows who did what to who and who lost what to who.Doesnt surprise me that 33% of your deaths are mysteriously missing on your board
CYI KILL BOARD
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PYROPHIS
Gallente
INTAKI UNION
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Posted - 2007.01.20 01:06:00 -
[46]
Originally by: DarkNicodimus
Well it not uncommon for pilots to miss recording a few deaths but our board shows
33 kills for us and only 26 losses
Our board isnt edited like yours and actually shows who did what to who and who lost what to who.Doesnt surprise me that 33% of your deaths are mysteriously missing on your board
How about these?? missing from your board. Just what I found in a few minutes but then again there are a few on ours too.
2007.01.14 04:54
Victim: Midnightstalker
Alliance: The Cyrene Initiative
Corp: Ixion Defence Systems
Destroyed: Megathron
System: Cistuvaert
Security: 1.0
Involved parties:
Name: iupilot
Security: 3.1
Alliance: NONE
Corp: INTAKI UNION
Ship: Caracal
Weapon: Warrior I
Destroyed items:
Medium Shield Extender II
Hammerhead I (Drone Bay)
Power Diagnostic System II
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
XR-3200 Heavy Missile Bay
Radio M
Shield Recharger II
Nanomechanical CPU Enhancer I
Large Armor Repairer II
Miner I (Cargo)
Power Diagnostic System I, Qty: 2 (Cargo)
2007.01.19 14:53
Victim: Brazzle
Alliance: The Cyrene Initiative
Corp: Knights of the Red Dawn
Destroyed: Myrmidon
System: Aunia
Security: 0.8
Involved parties:
Name: iupilot
Security: 2.3
Alliance: NONE
Corp: INTAKI UNION
Ship: Hurricane
Weapon: Warrior I
Destroyed items:
Medium Armor Repairer II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II
N-Type Explosive Hardener I
Prototype I Sensor Booster
Medium Nosferatu I
Initiated Warp Jammer I
Antimatter Charge M, Qty: 49
Antimatter Charge M, Qty: 50
Antimatter Charge M, Qty: 48
2007.01.13 08:04
Victim: Crausaum
Alliance: The Cyrene Initiative
Corp: Ixion Defence Systems
Destroyed: Astarte
System: Stacmon
Security: 0.6
Involved parties:
Name: Jasmine Constantine
Security: 0.0
Alliance: The Star Fraction
Corp: Jericho Fraction
Ship: Hyperion
Weapon: Hyperion
Name: iupilot
Security: 3.2
Alliance: NONE
Corp: INTAKI UNION
Ship: Typhoon
Weapon: Garde I
Destroyed items:
Sensor Booster II
Thorium Charge M, Qty: 406 (Cargo)
Plutonium Charge M, Qty: 1000 (Cargo)
10MN Afterburner II
200mm Railgun II
Medium Tapered Capacitor Infusion I
Medium Armor Repairer II
Medium Armor Repairer II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Hammerhead II (Cargo)
Hammerhead II (Cargo)
Thorium Charge M, Qty: 61
Thorium Charge M, Qty: 61
2007.01.13 08:04
Victim: Dheen Heph
Alliance: The Cyrene Initiative
Corp: Ixion Defence Systems
Destroyed: Dominix
System: Stacmon
Security: 0.6
Involved parties:
Name: iupilot
Security: 2.2
Alliance: NONE
Corp: INTAKI UNION
Ship: Armageddon
Weapon: Wasp II
Destroyed items:
Fleeting Warp Scrambler I
Hobgoblin II (Drone Bay)
Valkyrie II (Drone Bay)
Warrior II (Drone Bay)
Warrior II (Drone Bay)
Warrior II (Drone Bay)
Valkyrie II (Drone Bay)
Hammerhead II (Drone Bay)
Medium Nosferatu II
X5 Prototype I Engine Enervator
Voltaic Nanite Explosive Hardener I
Large 'Accommodation' Vestment Reconstructer I
Medium Nosferatu II
Medium Nosferatu II
Hammerhead II (Drone Bay)
Voltaic Nanite Thermic Hardener I
Microcell Nanite Kinetic Hardener I
Berserker II (Drone Bay)
Ogre II (Drone Bay)
Berserker II (Drone Bay)
Pyro
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DarkNicodimus
Gallente
Ixion Defence Systems
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.01.20 02:47:00 -
[47]
The only kill missing on our board is the first one listed.You need to use the board properly and scoll through the weeks.
Also why is your board now changed again and no longer shows the current war against us seperate.It did before but now your campaigns menu shows it as no campaigns active lol.Also your board includes kills from the previous war with us
Total as of this date
CYI 42 kills 32 losses against Intaki Union
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Karass Sayfo
Forum Moderator
Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.01.20 03:58:00 -
[48]
Just to remind people, that posting killmails and killboard links is not allowed. Please note :
Originally by: CAOD Rules
Killmails
Posting killmails, killboard links or screenshots of killboards will be considered as trolling or off-topic, and subject to removal or warning.
There will be no discussion allowed of privately run killboard issues/accuracies taking place in this forum.
It has been proven that such discussions inevitably invite ill-spirited comments and off-topic issues.
Also, please remain on-topic addressing the OP rather than killboard statistics.
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Crausaum
Ixion Defence Systems
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.01.20 06:28:00 -
[49]
Final Update:
After over a week of debate inside Cyrene it seems the final decision of Cyrere's direction has been left for me to state.
Based upon some of the more useful comments in this thread I have come to the conclusion that Cyrene is too far into supposed roleplay to retract and that even if I did take the alliance as far afield as possible the new members would still suffer problems leftover from the alliances original objectives. It would also lead to a good portion of the command staff (including myself) seperating from Cyrene to persue our hopes for greater and more interesting Gallente roleplay.
I feel this would harm Cyrene as much as any war and gain the new members a defunct alliance that they would have to cast off.
Sadly I know this decision will distance some friends from me as they will leave for other corporations at the end of our wars but at this time this seems to be the best decision to keep the majority of the alliance together and focused.
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Nytemaster
Mega-Deth
Phoenix Supremacy
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Posted - 2007.01.21 11:21:00 -
[50]
Good to see that you can't handle what you dish out. The same alliance who war dec'd a ten man corporation with 200 members three months ago is now crying about being outnumbered and overwhelmed to the point of surrender. When the tides are turned you now tuck tail. Maybe you could give us a bit more respect for what we do and not smack us so much because we would safespot with 10-1 odds against.
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Crausaum
Ixion Defence Systems
The Cyrene Initiative
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Posted - 2007.01.25 03:39:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Nytemaster
Good to see that you can't handle what you dish out. The same alliance who war dec'd a ten man corporation with 200 members three months ago is now crying about being outnumbered and overwhelmed to the point of surrender. When the tides are turned you now tuck tail. Maybe you could give us a bit more respect for what we do and not smack us so much because we would safespot with 10-1 odds against.
I really should be clear about this war, and I am sorry that I never made it clear why this war happened in the first place.
This war happened simply due to the continued use of gate sniping and indecent smacktalk by a limited number of your members.
Unfortunatly this war resulted in members of Cyrene using the same smack that enraged us so and ended with neither side having any moral high ground.
All this war resulted in was suffering for those that were either too new to know any better or had not engaged in the offending smacktalk.
You put up a fair fight for a group that had a peak force almost matched by the standard bored Cyrene combat pilots and the majority of your members were polite for the situation they were placed in.
Ultimatly you used the best tactics available to you and in truth the only thing that I found annoying was certain pilots smacktalking from their safespot.
Other members of Cyrene may have been more vocal about it but that's how I personally feel.
I find the only real tradgedy of this war was that it showed that no matter how hard you try it only takes one 14 year old in a gang to get the entire gang smacking like a pack of drunken highschoolers.
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