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Rina Shanu Computer-Aided General Exploitation	Posted - 2007.01.13 11:24:00 - [1] Hello. CAGE - Computer Aided General Exploitation corporation is interested in creating a low security space relocation program. In pursuing our goal, we are interested in demonstrating that life in low security space can be both very fun and highly profitable, proving also that the risks in low sec are much OVERRATED. So I am launching an open invitation to discuss low security space and the things you are afraid of or dislike in low sec, and perhaps convince some of you to give low sec a chance. 1 Have you ever been in low sec ? 2 How long did you live there / are you still there ? 3 What are you afraid of in low sec? 4 What do you dislike about low sec? 5 Would you give low sec a try ? Thank you very much for your attention. Rina Shanu - CAGE >> JOIN CAGE <<
Thelma Price Royal Assassin's	Posted - 2007.01.13 11:55:00 - [2] 1) Yes 2) long time 3) Wars (If a war faction camp a Station in lowsec they don't care who they shoot) 4) .4 lowsec is useless, rest has bad rats, worse ore .. 5) no, rather go to 0.0 directly.
Durham Elysion Solar Wind Distant Star Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.13 12:10:00 - [3] Edited by: Durham Elysion on 13/01/2007 12:07:04 1. Yes 2. I moved down a month after my account was created, now temporarily up in empire :( 3. Losing my ship, perhaps? 4. Nothing 5. - edit: Does 0.0 count? I mean 0.0, not 0.1-0.4 space
Tenebrion Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.13 12:29:00 - [4] 1. Yes 2. Been going there on near daily basis for about 2 months (still do mishs in high sec though) 3. A dedicated gate camp able to catch my frig flyin courier contract running ass 4. I don't see any as of yet 5. -
Nero Scuro Caldari Murder of Crows E N I G M A	Posted - 2007.01.13 12:35:00 - [5] 1. Yes. 2. 2 years. However long I've been in EVE for. Whatever. 3. No, don't be stupid. 4. The systems before 0.0 chokepoints. They're always packed, and have an awful feel about them. They remind me of dentist waiting rooms. 5. I practically live in lowsec, don't be so stupid. 6. What was question 6 again? ___ The world isn't going to end; we're not that lucky...
hired goon Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.13 12:40:00 - [6] 1 Have you ever been in low sec ? Yes 2 How long did you live there / are you still there ? Weeks / No 3 What are you afraid of in low sec? Dying 4 What do you dislike about low sec? Pirate Infestation 5 Would you give low sec a try ? Why? I live in 0.0 -omg-
Doc Extropy Gallente Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.01.13 12:54:00 - [7] 1. Yes 2. For quite some time 3. Boredom 4. Low end rats, boredom 5. No, 0.0 is king
Azure Eyes Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.13 13:13:00 - [8] 1. Yup 2. Been there most of my life, still there 3. I'm afraid the market will stagnate even more 4. I dislike the less than thriving market 5. I've been giving it the ol' college try for the best part of my life, so, uh, yeah... The super-secret secret trick to surviving in low-sec: don't go AFK and don't cry if you loose a ship. Sorta the same as in 0.0, only with lower rewards and more stations. {IMG}insert signature image{/IMG}
Jowen Datloran Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2007.01.13 14:36:00 - [9] 1.: Lots of times, even with a freighter. 2.: I used to mine there but now I just pass through when going to my backwater mining constellation. 3.: That it will become completely useless even to pass through if interdictor spheres and bubbles ever are allowed in there. 4.: Too many peeps looking for an easy gank, too little rewards for everybody else. 5.: Only if there is some really juicy exploration sites to be found there and only if it takes the ganker about the same time and effort it took me to track down the complex. ---------------- Mr. Science & Trade Institute
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2007.01.13 14:56:00 - [10] Originally by: Rina Shanu Hello. CAGE - Computer Aided General Exploitation corporation is interested in creating a low security space relocation program. In pursuing our goal, we are interested in demonstrating that life in low security space can be both very fun and highly profitable, proving also that the risks in low sec are much OVERRATED. So I am launching an open invitation to discuss low security space and the things you are afraid of or dislike in low sec, and perhaps convince some of you to give low sec a chance. 1 Have you ever been in low sec ? 2 How long did you live there / are you still there ? 3 What are you afraid of in low sec? 4 What do you dislike about low sec? 5 Would you give low sec a try ? Thank you very much for your attention. Rina Shanu - CAGE 1. other than 0.0 always 2. still there 3. mining 4. mining 5. n/a DE

Humpalot	Posted - 2007.01.13 15:53:00 - [11] The answer is simple really. Low Sec (when I say low sec for the purposes of this thread I mean 0.1-0.4 sec space and will indicate 0.0 separately) is in no way worth the effort to live there unless you are a pirate. For the record I have (in the past) spent many, many months in low sec and 0.0 but this was when there were fewer people overall and fewer pirates and you could find mostly empty low sec systems. Mining: The ore in low sec is nice...not great but nice. However, if I am to risk my Covetor (never risk my Hulk in there) I need guards. So, add in the difficulty of arranging a decent guard for your miners. Now add in the money I need to pay them (basically a share of what I mine...remember the only thing more boring than mining in EVE is guarding miners). Now consider that pirates get the first shot (my guards do not want to nerf the sec ratings by shooting anyone who shows first). This is huge and gives a decided advantage to the pirates. Then factor in that, for whatever reason, pirates seem to invariably target the miners and haulers first mostly ignoring the guards (whether they stay to fight the guards afterwards is a toss up but often they jet in, gank a miner or nuisance themselves blowing cans then leave). Even if I do not get attacked by pirates the constant disruption to mining as the miners run from threats that seem to crop up every 30-60 minutes or so plus the cost of paying the guards means it is literally more profitable to mine Veld in Empire. Ratting: This is a little better than the miners because at least you are in a combat ship rather than a defenseless miner. Nevertheless as a solo adventure you are risking a lot for not much. As a group you are certainly safer but again you are splitting your profits making hi sec more profitable. Low sec belt rats certainly are more valuable than hi sec but not that much. There are no super spawns that are a good draw. Missioning: I know they say that mission runners are mostly safe because there is "only" a 3% chance they can get probed out but if you again do the math that 3% turns out to be a bit more. If a group of people are dropping probes and spamming them over and over it is not hard for them to get in to the 33-50% range of snooping you out before you leave. Even is we say they manage only a 25% chance overall (for multiple probers and repeated tries) that means you will get jumped 1 out of 4 trips to the mission. Now you are in a mission with your T2/Faction setup battleship soloing 15 cruisers and a mess of battleships and these guys jump in on you. Chances are you are toast. Again the rewards nowhere near compensate for losing a ship like that even once a month and if you are an avid missioner I bet you will get jumped on a mission in low sec more than once a month. Market/Research: As it happens research slots are a draw but people slip in with a CovOps, set their research and leave. There are no slots to be found in low sec just as in hi sec. As for producing and selling stuff there why bother? To lure people to low sec to buy my stuff I need to lower my prices too far. I am FAR better off selling in hi sec. On top of all that add in gate camps. This is where the pirates do not even need to hunt you. Just gank you as you come in. Yeah yeah, get a guard, get a scout, fly a nanoed CovOps...whatever. These things cannot be managed at all times. I wish I had a squad of people at my beck and call every time I want to do anything but it just isn't so. Long story short, low sec offers nowhere near the rewards necessary to be worth dealing with it. 0.0 is MUCH safer and hi sec almost always more profitable.
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2007.01.13 16:16:00 - [12] i agree with the last post mainly. i say increase bounty on npc's in low sec and bring in better ores. means more targets for me and more isk for the bears to make my pretty ships with DE
Baddias Mongo Caldari Octavian Vanguard RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.13 16:26:00 - [13] 1 yes 2 Just passing through on my way to 0.0 3 Nothing 4 Sentry Guns 5 Only if theres enough enemys to shoot at. ----------------------------------------------- Bad Mongo
Rina Shanu Computer-Aided General Exploitation	Posted - 2007.01.14 17:28:00 - [14] I appreciate very much the input and liked the detailed post of Humpalot. Now more into business, I'd like to make a small and perhaps subjective comparison between 0.0 and low sec space (yes low sec for me is 0.1 to 0.4). A. Corporations of low sec and corporations of 0.0. We all know the levels of a corporation evolution, mainly related to size. I would like to point out that most corporations in 0.0 are of mid size and in cases of small size the pilots are very experienced. Size and experience makes 0.0 a lot more accessible to a corporation, and I'd like to point out that for a new corporation exactly those things are missing. A small corporation would do better in low sec space than in 0.0. B. Pirates of low sec and pirates of 0.0 From experience we do have these two kinds of pirates. Those of 0.0 are in lesser numbers, true, but come in much greater skill and score much higher damage and kill ratio. A newbie pirate is mostly afraid to venture in 0.0 and most of the cases will be caught by the local forces, bubble camps, more experienced pirates. I find the point of those that say "pirate infestation" in low sec to be invalid, as well as the point of those that say "afraid" to lose a ship; compared to 0.0... C. Organization of 0.0 and low sec Forces of 0.0 have many kinds of pilots, from the casual ratter to the hungry killer to the peaceful miner. What makes these forces thick is the level of organization and discipline, strengthen by a social order respected the facto. Low sec in general lacks this kind of organization, which allows the newbie pirate and the average profiteer to operate. If a low sec region can have such an organization level the number of oportunists (sp?)will diminish considerably. As I said I may be subjective and eagerly wait your opinions. Thank you. Rina Shanu - CAGE >> JOIN CAGE <<
Neon Genesis Gallente Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.01.14 17:46:00 - [15] 1 No, never. 2 I'm just too scared alright?! 3 Everything. 4 It's lower than average security. 5 Maybe if they removed all risks, but as it is, you can just spawn bs in high sec! Why would a carebear bother?
SSgt Sniper Gallente Zekarus Ltd.	Posted - 2007.01.14 18:42:00 - [16] Originally by: Rina Shanu Hello. CAGE - Computer Aided General Exploitation corporation is interested in creating a low security space relocation program. In pursuing our goal, we are interested in demonstrating that life in low security space can be both very fun and highly profitable, proving also that the risks in low sec are much OVERRATED. So I am launching an open invitation to discuss low security space and the things you are afraid of or dislike in low sec, and perhaps convince some of you to give low sec a chance. 1 Have you ever been in low sec ? 2 How long did you live there / are you still there ? 3 What are you afraid of in low sec? 4 What do you dislike about low sec? 5 Would you give low sec a try ? Thank you very much for your attention. Rina Shanu - CAGE 1. Yes, but only in isolated and near empty spots. 2. On rare occasions. 3. Negative PnL sheet after lowsec operations (Profit and Loss) 4. Getting shot at. 5. Only in the context of what I already do which is quite limited. --------- Representing all the casual gamers happily living in Empire, that want NO PART of your 0.0 annoyances. However, I do not represent my corp. We vote first.
SSgt Sniper Gallente Zekarus Ltd.	Posted - 2007.01.14 18:42:00 - [17] Originally by: Rina Shanu Hello. CAGE - Computer Aided General Exploitation corporation is interested in creating a low security space relocation program. In pursuing our goal, we are interested in demonstrating that life in low security space can be both very fun and highly profitable, proving also that the risks in low sec are much OVERRATED. So I am launching an open invitation to discuss low security space and the things you are afraid of or dislike in low sec, and perhaps convince some of you to give low sec a chance. 1 Have you ever been in low sec ? 2 How long did you live there / are you still there ? 3 What are you afraid of in low sec? 4 What do you dislike about low sec? 5 Would you give low sec a try ? Thank you very much for your attention. Rina Shanu - CAGE 1. Yes, but only in isolated and near empty spots. 2. On rare occasions. 3. Negative PnL sheet after lowsec operations (Profit and Loss) 4. Getting shot at. 5. Only in the context of what I already do which is quite limited. --------- Representing all the casual gamers happily living in Empire, that want NO PART of your 0.0 annoyances. However, I do not represent my corp. We vote first.
Kala Veijo Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.01.14 18:49:00 - [18] 1. Ye 2. One year 3. Anti-Pierats 4. Anti-Pierats 5. Gimme more miners to spank and i might go back Warp Wind, CSM Chapter blog.
Kala Veijo Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.01.14 18:49:00 - [19] 1. Ye 2. One year 3. Anti-Pierats 4. Anti-Pierats 5. Gimme more miners to spank and i might go back Warp Wind, CSM Chapter blog.
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2007.01.14 18:54:00 - [20] 1 Have you ever been in low sec ? Yes 2 How long did you live there / are you still there ? Usually a few weeks at a time. I'm just back 3 What are you afraid of in low sec? The big bad wolf 4 What do you dislike about low sec? Stupid smack talking idiots 5 Would you give low sec a try ? Unless you have a specific reason to be there, then hisec is a much more pleasant place to be

Adoro Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.14 19:18:00 - [21] 1. Yes. 2. All my eve-life 3. Sentry Guns 4. WCS 5. See # 2 -------- Originally by: ChalSto underestimate us one second and u¦ll mine veldspar in empire for the rest of ur eve-life The LV way
Moraguth Amarr Rangers	Posted - 2007.01.16 07:45:00 - [22] 1 Have you ever been in low sec ? - all but about 2 months when i first started out, yes. 2 How long did you live there / are you still there ? -almost 3 years now i think? 3 What are you afraid of in low sec? -not so much afraid as wary of gate camps and getting bumped away from a station. 4 What do you dislike about low sec? -It's pretty much perfect. No warp bubbles or dictor probes to make things crazy unfair, so i like it. 5 Would you give low sec a try ? -doesn't really apply to me, now does it? good game
Xsag Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.01.16 08:05:00 - [23] 1 Have you ever been in low sec ? Yes 2 How long did you live there / are you still there ? I have never lived in lowsec - even tho you can get better loot and salvage one unlucky turn in the wheel of pvp and the 5m odd uve just made ratting etc just turned into a 15m loss 3 What are you afraid of in low sec? Im not really afraid i understand the risks with lowsec and while it would be handy to mine that ore and rat those rats i can do lvl 4 missions now, and npc's are far less likely to gank me. 4 What do you dislike about low sec? Losing ships - its all part of the game etc so i tend to visit lowsec occasionally but will never live there as losing a load of my stuff would annoy me. 5 Would you give low sec a try ? pends how desperate i become to research my bpo's sure cant do it in empire :@ ~n00b of all trades~ ~~Airkio~~ / ~~Muvolailen~~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~
Adunh Slavy Chaos Faction	Posted - 2007.01.16 08:43:00 - [24] 1 Have you ever been in low sec ? Yep 2 How long did you live there / are you still there ? One and off since the start 3 What are you afraid of in low sec? Shoot first ask questions later mentality. 4 What do you dislike about low sec? Loss of sec status. 5 Would you give low sec a try ? I'm in it right now. so uh, yeah. -AS
Syrec Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.01.16 12:50:00 - [25] Originally by: Rina Shanu 1 Have you ever been in low sec ? 2 How long did you live there / are you still there ? 3 What are you afraid of in low sec? 4 What do you dislike about low sec? 5 Would you give low sec a try ? Thank you very much for your attention. Rina Shanu - CAGE 1. often 2. dont live anywhere 3. rabid veldspar 4. the rewards suck, 0.0 is safer and better 5. only if it brings me flowers
Syrec Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.01.16 12:50:00 - [26] Originally by: Rina Shanu 1 Have you ever been in low sec ? 2 How long did you live there / are you still there ? 3 What are you afraid of in low sec? 4 What do you dislike about low sec? 5 Would you give low sec a try ? Thank you very much for your attention. Rina Shanu - CAGE 1. often 2. dont live anywhere 3. rabid veldspar 4. the rewards suck, 0.0 is safer and better 5. only if it brings me flowers
Serzath Labteck Corporation LTD. Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.01.16 12:52:00 - [27] Edited by: Serzath on 16/01/2007 12:50:51 1 Have you ever been in low sec ? Yep 2 How long did you live there / are you still there ? 2 months/no 3 What are you afraid of in low sec? spending money on modules/ships/skills 4 What do you dislike about low sec? not being able to help a pilot who gets shot by a player with killrights even if you are same corp (security hit) 5 Would you give low sec a try ? NO, 0.0 much better
Serzath Labteck Corporation LTD. Novus Ordos Seclorum	Posted - 2007.01.16 12:52:00 - [28] Edited by: Serzath on 16/01/2007 12:50:51 1 Have you ever been in low sec ? Yep 2 How long did you live there / are you still there ? 2 months/no 3 What are you afraid of in low sec? spending money on modules/ships/skills 4 What do you dislike about low sec? not being able to help a pilot who gets shot by a player with killrights even if you are same corp (security hit) 5 Would you give low sec a try ? NO, 0.0 much better
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas	Posted - 2007.01.16 12:57:00 - [29] 1-5 None of the above... I live in 0.0. And I find these three times a week "I got the fix for low sec" threads, to be long winded and completly ignored by CCP. Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas	Posted - 2007.01.16 12:57:00 - [30] 1-5 None of the above... I live in 0.0. And I find these three times a week "I got the fix for low sec" threads, to be long winded and completly ignored by CCP. Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.



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