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Frug SYOID Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.01.13 12:00:00 - [1] I wish more pirates would do it. I would pay more than you'd get for loot from my ships to be able to keep the ship. But what I'm wondering is how many people do it, and if you have a good system for convincing your prey you'll let them go when they pay. I was thinking half now, half after I let you go kind of thing. - - - - - - - - - - Do not use dotted lines - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - or automatic signatures - - - - - - - -
Puupuu mUfFiN fAcToRy	Posted - 2007.01.13 12:18:00 - [2] Originally by: Frug But what I'm wondering is how many people do it, and if you have a good system for convincing your prey you'll let them go when they pay. There's not much point in trying to convince the target. If they don't pay, they die.
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2007.01.13 12:19:00 - [3] i ransom when i start to get low on isk tbh. when i have plenty of money i'd rather watch them blow up DE
Mr Jay Pre-nerfed Tactics	Posted - 2007.01.13 13:24:00 - [4] I tried to ransom a Rokh yesterday. I asked for 30mil, as he wasn't all that old of a player. He said he'd give me 10mil. 10mil or blow up a Rokh... He died Absolute Evil pwned my sig =(
Stakhanov Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.13 14:02:00 - [5] I generally try to ransom whenever I can , and I always answer ransom requests. It gets me in trouble often though... Yesterday I tried camping a nice (loot fountain) gate in my ole rax , after a while I managed to get a lock on an indie ship. Drones go wild at him , he goes down steadily , then I receive a ransom request. Pleasantly surprised , I ask 20 millions (standard amount) as I recall my drones , but then the hauler starts discussing it , saying he doesn't have that much. I tell him to pay what he can , growing impatient as my armor enters its last quarter. No answer , no time to redeploy drones and kill him , time to go. "You are unable to warp because you are warp scrambled" Turns out a VETO taranis invited himself to the party. From then I watch powerless as my ship and pod are destroyed. Moral : showing mercy under sentry fire is bad mkay
VunnaX Silent Assasins of Bosut City	Posted - 2007.01.13 14:49:00 - [6] I always try to ransom, but some ppl are willing to loose their Drake to my Vengeance, even I asked for 25 mils. He said he have enough ISK and simply don't wanna me to have satisfaction of his ISK. Ransoming is much entertaining thing for me than blowing up, even sometimes I know I would get more ISK from his loot.
AaronP Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.01.13 14:52:00 - [7] Originally by: Stakhanov I generally try to ransom whenever I can , and I always answer ransom requests. It gets me in trouble often though... Yesterday I tried camping a nice (loot fountain) gate in my ole rax , after a while I managed to get a lock on an indie ship. Drones go wild at him , he goes down steadily , then I receive a ransom request. Pleasantly surprised , I ask 20 millions (standard amount) as I recall my drones , but then the hauler starts discussing it , saying he doesn't have that much. I tell him to pay what he can , growing impatient as my armor enters its last quarter. No answer , no time to redeploy drones and kill him , time to go. "You are unable to warp because you are warp scrambled" Turns out a VETO taranis invited himself to the party. From then I watch powerless as my ship and pod are destroyed. Moral : showing mercy under sentry fire is bad mkay What? Under Sentry fire? Your telling me your Thorax sat there tanking sentrys?
Stakhanov Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.13 15:09:00 - [8] Originally by: AaronP What? Under Sentry fire? Your telling me your Thorax sat there tanking sentrys? Yep double plate rax ftw. Obviously it works much better with a BS damage dealer drawing sentry fire after the target is scrambled. A very cheap setup to gatecamp with.
Uric Helfast Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.13 15:48:00 - [9] After I convo and ask for ransom, I give them 1 minute to pay-or-die. This is more for my own safety, since I don't want to have to deal with random allies warping in and putting a stop to my dastardly activities. ___________
Roule Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.01.13 16:49:00 - [10] Edited by: Roule on 13/01/2007 16:50:42 I dont like to ransom i just like to ** people off, been a greifer is what thats about. Linkage [ 2007.01.13 03:58:11 ] Felinuszzz > wow [ 2007.01.13 03:58:14 ] Felinuszzz > GL Unbrella [ 2007.01.13 03:58:16 ] Felinuszzz > need help? [ 2007.01.13 03:59:11 ] ROAN ENN > i give up [ 2007.01.13 03:59:15 ] ROAN ENN > ill pay well [ 2007.01.13 03:59:33 ] ROAN ENN > ill pay really well [ 2007.01.13 03:59:37 ] Felinuszzz > =( [ 2007.01.13 03:59:43 ] Felinuszzz > well I was rooting for you guys [ 2007.01.13 04:01:01 ] ROAN ENN > war it is then fellas** This was followed by 2 hours of this guy singing pirate songs in local, you cant beat this kind of laugh, so thats why ill never ransom My Videos
Ice Conch	Posted - 2007.01.13 17:52:00 - [11] i never ransom at gates, that is just stupid. When i find something in a belt, and deduce that ransoming probably wont get me killed by your friends, i offer it. 1/2 now 1/2 later isnt any good, its all or nothing. Samirol has slipped into a coma forever. R.I.P
Audemed Evisceration. Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.01.14 00:04:00 - [12] Originally by: Roule Edited by: Roule on 13/01/2007 16:50:42 I dont like to ransom i just like to ** people off, been a greifer is what thats about. Linkage [ 2007.01.13 03:58:11 ] Felinuszzz > wow [ 2007.01.13 03:58:14 ] Felinuszzz > GL Unbrella [ 2007.01.13 03:58:16 ] Felinuszzz > need help? [ 2007.01.13 03:59:11 ] ROAN ENN > i give up [ 2007.01.13 03:59:15 ] ROAN ENN > ill pay well [ 2007.01.13 03:59:33 ] ROAN ENN > ill pay really well [ 2007.01.13 03:59:37 ] Felinuszzz > =( [ 2007.01.13 03:59:43 ] Felinuszzz > well I was rooting for you guys [ 2007.01.13 04:01:01 ] ROAN ENN > war it is then fellas** This was followed by 2 hours of this guy singing pirate songs in local, you cant beat this kind of laugh, so thats why ill never ransom I've had that guy (roan) smack talk me because i wouldn't engage a nosrohk and machariel in a proph :/ ------ Currently stationed in Iraq, 280 days left to go!
vile56 Nubs. Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.14 00:27:00 - [13] Originally by: AaronP Originally by: Stakhanov I generally try to ransom whenever I can , and I always answer ransom requests. It gets me in trouble often though... Yesterday I tried camping a nice (loot fountain) gate in my ole rax , after a while I managed to get a lock on an indie ship. Drones go wild at him , he goes down steadily , then I receive a ransom request. Pleasantly surprised , I ask 20 millions (standard amount) as I recall my drones , but then the hauler starts discussing it , saying he doesn't have that much. I tell him to pay what he can , growing impatient as my armor enters its last quarter. No answer , no time to redeploy drones and kill him , time to go. "You are unable to warp because you are warp scrambled" Turns out a VETO taranis invited himself to the party. From then I watch powerless as my ship and pod are destroyed. Moral : showing mercy under sentry fire is bad mkay What? Under Sentry fire? Your telling me your Thorax sat there tanking sentrys? maller can also
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.14 00:29:00 - [14] I ransom as long as I can get at least 1 mill out of it. In my early days of ransoming I had a bad habit of not remembering to pull in my drones or turn off my guns when convoing though Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin Marcus Thinks Eve who knew!?
Jalec Creed Gallente Sulphrit	Posted - 2007.01.14 00:57:00 - [15] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin I ransom as long as I can get at least 1 mill out of it. Exactly. Originally by: Marcus TheMartin In my early days of ransoming I had a bad habit of not remembering to pull in my drones or turn off my guns when convoing though Lol. (had that once )
Aeaus Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.14 03:15:00 - [16] Originally by: Jalec Creed Originally by: Marcus TheMartin In my early days of ransoming I had a bad habit of not remembering to pull in my drones or turn off my guns when convoing though Lol. (had that once ) Hehe. I never ransomed when I was a pirate, let me corpies do it for me, but most of the time the target would pop too fast, or didn't warrent ransom. Tanking Survivability Calculator
DarkElf Caldari DJ's Exotic Dancers Escorts	Posted - 2007.01.14 03:55:00 - [17] Originally by: AaronP Originally by: Stakhanov I generally try to ransom whenever I can , and I always answer ransom requests. It gets me in trouble often though... Yesterday I tried camping a nice (loot fountain) gate in my ole rax , after a while I managed to get a lock on an indie ship. Drones go wild at him , he goes down steadily , then I receive a ransom request. Pleasantly surprised , I ask 20 millions (standard amount) as I recall my drones , but then the hauler starts discussing it , saying he doesn't have that much. I tell him to pay what he can , growing impatient as my armor enters its last quarter. No answer , no time to redeploy drones and kill him , time to go. "You are unable to warp because you are warp scrambled" Turns out a VETO taranis invited himself to the party. From then I watch powerless as my ship and pod are destroyed. Moral : showing mercy under sentry fire is bad mkay What? Under Sentry fire? Your telling me your Thorax sat there tanking sentrys? the old classic 1600 RT plate light neutron II rax setup with medium t2 rep can actually tank gate guns for a little time. enough for a quick hauler kill, loot and leave. wouldn't try ransoming tho DE
Izo Azlion Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.01.14 04:33:00 - [18] Edited by: Izo Azlion on 14/01/2007 04:31:19 Originally by: Stakhanov Originally by: AaronP What? Under Sentry fire? Your telling me your Thorax sat there tanking sentrys? Yep double plate rax ftw. Obviously it works much better with a BS damage dealer drawing sentry fire after the target is scrambled. A very cheap setup to gatecamp with. The ranis pilot was Adrian, a fantastic pilot let alone of circumstances. I was in system, as was the Xtremist, one of our academy members. :) Izo Azlion. --- Cortes owned my Sig. :/
Sun Win Mutually Assured Distraction	Posted - 2007.01.14 08:25:00 - [19] Ransoming is a funny thing. Basically the older the player, the less worthwhile it is to ransom because the more likely they are to drop t2 and faction presents. But Younger players it's definitely worth ransoming as often the most expensive thing they own is the ship itself. I'd lost the habit of ransoming because of our killboard but then today one guy convo'd me asking to pay and then I ransomed another guy and together, they paid for my shiny new setup, reminding me that ransoming is a great way to make ISK. New to Eve? Learn to Fly - join channel: "Eve University" or read here
Stakhanov Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.14 14:03:00 - [20] Unfortunately , a large part of the people careless enough to rat / mine in lowsec and get caught , in an uninsured ship even , don't have enough money to pay the asked ransom so ships go pop but drop plain loot.
Kehmor Caldari PAK Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.14 18:49:00 - [21] Edited by: Kehmor on 14/01/2007 18:46:12 Originally by: Frug I wish more pirates would do it. I would pay more than you'd get for loot from my ships to be able to keep the ship. But what I'm wondering is how many people do it, and if you have a good system for convincing your prey you'll let them go when they pay. I was thinking half now, half after I let you go kind of thing. When I tried to ransom you you told me you'd petition me. Make your mind up mate. Oh also, its isk upfront and you live, they arn't really in a position to argue.
Kehmor Caldari PAK Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.14 18:49:00 - [22] Edited by: Kehmor on 14/01/2007 18:46:12 Originally by: Frug I wish more pirates would do it. I would pay more than you'd get for loot from my ships to be able to keep the ship. But what I'm wondering is how many people do it, and if you have a good system for convincing your prey you'll let them go when they pay. I was thinking half now, half after I let you go kind of thing. When I tried to ransom you you told me you'd petition me. Make your mind up mate. Oh also, its isk upfront and you live, they arn't really in a position to argue.
Alumion Amarr Dragons of the Twilight Sun	Posted - 2007.01.14 19:08:00 - [23] Originally by: Kehmor Edited by: Kehmor on 14/01/2007 18:46:12 Originally by: Frug When I tried to ransom you you told me you'd petition me. Make your mind up mate. Oh also, its isk upfront and you live, they arn't really in a position to argue. ------ "Scammers, pirates and ore thieves, the only thing that stands between us, and World of Warcraft. God save you all." - Kublai
Adoro Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.14 20:04:00 - [24] I only ransomed once, at a lan party I was flying a vexor and engaged a brutix. He was in structure when I said: 15mil...he offered 10mil. Think I still got the killmail somewhere -------- Originally by: ChalSto underestimate us one second and u¦ll mine veldspar in empire for the rest of ur eve-life The LV way
Arcticblue2 Gallente Nordic Freelancers inc	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:41:00 - [25] Well I recently got killed by pirates, now I don't complain about that... that's their way of playing and to be honest it makes things exiting. It went something like this, I warped through the gate on my way to a mission, I had not scouted or checked map so that was my fault. On the other side I found 3 battleships, I got scrambled and they blew up my ship. I tried to get away in my pod but did not manage that either... so they held my pod and one did convo me and ask for 100 million. Now, since I don't carry implants 100 million for a 4.9 million clone is abit too much... If they had asked for 100 million to keep my ship, I might actually have considered that. Most of the equipment got destroyed, and I bought new items for like 50-60 million to rig a new battleship. plus had enough minerals to build a new ship already. The only negative part of that was the fact I had to spend a few hours travling around picking up equipment and stuff. So what is the lesson here ??? those pirates got roughly 25 million worth of equipment, could have made 100 million in cash instead. Costed me some iskies but it was a ship that have brought in atleast 1 billion isk... ---------------------------------------------- "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I felt as a child, I thought as a child: now that I am become a man, I have put away childish things." 1 cor.
Kehmor Caldari PAK Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:47:00 - [26] your ship A: could have had lots of loot B: posed a threat to them C: got back to the gate if it had a mwd D: had stabs and warped away These are the reasons your ship was not ransomed and your pod was I expect
PCaBoo Newbies On Xstacy The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.01.15 08:22:00 - [27] One thing people don't realize about ransoms, is that it's pirates being nice. It's just as easy for us to kill you, scoop your loot, and move on to the next target. Sure the fittings may not cost you much, the ship is insured, but what about the time and aggravation of traveling 20 jumps in all different directiosn to pick that stuff up? ________________________________ Caldari's are the Chosen people!
zorgluba Doom Guard	Posted - 2007.01.15 17:24:00 - [28] Originally by: PCaBoo One thing people don't realize about ransoms, is that it's pirates being nice. I'm sorry but i don't agree, imo pirate do it all for the money. They will do whatever ,even breaking the law, killing people..., to get money. When blowing a ship there is always the risk that the valuable mods get blown too, meaning not only the victim lost money but you too. You sound more like a pure pvper to me meaning you'd rather have a good kill than a good loot/bounty/ransom.
Destiny Calling Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.01.15 17:38:00 - [29] I would love to ransom more, however its not always possible Longer you stand talking is longer for their troops to arrive.
Rail Duke	Posted - 2007.01.15 17:39:00 - [30] Originally by: zorgluba imo pirate do it all for the money. LOL ------------- When deep space exploration ramps up, it'll be the corporations that will name everything: The Ibm stellarsphere, The Microsoft galaxy, Planet Starbucks.
zorgluba Doom Guard	Posted - 2007.01.15 17:41:00 - [31] Originally by: Rail Duke Originally by: zorgluba imo pirate do it all for the money. LOL That is a useful comment ... how do you define a pirate ?
Roule Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.01.15 18:30:00 - [32] Originally by: Audemed Originally by: Roule Edited by: Roule on 13/01/2007 16:50:42 I dont like to ransom i just like to ** people off, been a greifer is what thats about. Linkage [ 2007.01.13 03:58:11 ] Felinuszzz > wow [ 2007.01.13 03:58:14 ] Felinuszzz > GL Unbrella [ 2007.01.13 03:58:16 ] Felinuszzz > need help? [ 2007.01.13 03:59:11 ] ROAN ENN > i give up [ 2007.01.13 03:59:15 ] ROAN ENN > ill pay well [ 2007.01.13 03:59:33 ] ROAN ENN > ill pay really well [ 2007.01.13 03:59:37 ] Felinuszzz > =( [ 2007.01.13 03:59:43 ] Felinuszzz > well I was rooting for you guys [ 2007.01.13 04:01:01 ] ROAN ENN > war it is then fellas** This was followed by 2 hours of this guy singing pirate songs in local, you cant beat this kind of laugh, so thats why ill never ransom I've had that guy (roan) smack talk me because i wouldn't engage a nosrohk and machariel in a proph :/ I actually went there for the mach but i ended up whooping them in a 5 on 5 with us tanking senturies, be pleased to know i removed him of about a bill in assets when the fight was over, but sadly no mach My Videos
kublai TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.01.15 18:47:00 - [33] Originally by: Roule Edited by: Roule on 13/01/2007 16:50:42 I dont like to ransom i just like to ** people off, been a greifer is what thats about. Linkage [ 2007.01.13 03:58:11 ] Felinuszzz > wow [ 2007.01.13 03:58:14 ] Felinuszzz > GL Unbrella [ 2007.01.13 03:58:16 ] Felinuszzz > need help? [ 2007.01.13 03:59:11 ] ROAN ENN > i give up [ 2007.01.13 03:59:15 ] ROAN ENN > ill pay well [ 2007.01.13 03:59:33 ] ROAN ENN > ill pay really well [ 2007.01.13 03:59:37 ] Felinuszzz > =( [ 2007.01.13 03:59:43 ] Felinuszzz > well I was rooting for you guys [ 2007.01.13 04:01:01 ] ROAN ENN > war it is then fellas** This was followed by 2 hours of this guy singing pirate songs in local, you cant beat this kind of laugh, so thats why ill never ransom Felinuszzz is ftw tbh :D I think he did 500-1000mill in damage solo to those guys in about a week, oh and, the biggest ship felin can fly is a hurricane :D Poor Umbrella, all the pirates bashing on them, the alliance itself doesnt permit members to pay ransoms, but I know for a fact several of their members will pay pirates under the table to leave them be, my wallet would certainly indicate such from when I lived in that area. On a different note, it can be hard to get ransoms often as alot of carebears are plain ignorant, and alot of pirates are too dumb to honour ransoms. To you I have only this to say:
tiller MAFIA Pirate Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.15 19:21:00 - [34] Ransoming.... what a WASTE of time. Those who are willing to pay X ransom have XXX at least in loot that could drop. NEVER ransom a ship (except cap ships). NEVER ransom ANY hauler :-) Pods are worth a try, but they very rarely pay either....
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.15 20:44:00 - [35] Originally by: tiller Ransoming.... what a WASTE of time. Those who are willing to pay X ransom have XXX at least in loot that could drop. NEVER ransom a ship (except cap ships). NEVER ransom ANY hauler :-) Pods are worth a try, but they very rarely pay either.... Hey I don't make fun of your lifestyle!!! Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin Marcus Thinks Eve who knew!?
Jalec Creed Gallente Sulphrit	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:36:00 - [36] Originally by: kublai To you I have only this to say: Now here's a cat it hate to encounter in 0.0 Kitty rocks.
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2007.01.15 21:56:00 - [37] Originally by: tiller Ransoming.... what a WASTE of time. Those who are willing to pay X ransom have XXX at least in loot that could drop. NEVER ransom a ship (except cap ships). NEVER ransom ANY hauler :-) Pods are worth a try, but they very rarely pay either.... T2 ships? Even a BS pilot might be willing to fork out 30mil ransom to save having to re-insure and if he's a new player its worth checking. Lets face it his loot prolly sucks.
Alowishus Shadow Company Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.15 22:12:00 - [38] Ransoming is easier to make isk if you are new or fly smaller ships. A Rifter can get 30 mil from a barge. If you're a loot pirate then you need to take down big targets to make isk. With high loot survival a destroyer, dictor or AF might make you 30 mil but your more likely looking at a T2 fitted cruiser, BC, HAC or BS to make 30 mil or more from loot. Which means you need a strong/expensive ship to do it. Considering that dying is an inevitable fact for pirates, personally, when I die I'd rather lose an Inty than a Command Ship. But some people only care about kill mails.
PCaBoo Newbies On Xstacy The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.01.16 05:04:00 - [39] Even Tier 2 BC's are ransomed for 50m, depending on how well they fight.. and they usually fight until the rest of the gank squad shows up. ________________________________ Caldari's are the Chosen people!
Malcanis	Posted - 2007.01.16 11:44:00 - [40] Originally by: tiller Ransoming.... what a WASTE of time. Those who are willing to pay X ransom have XXX at least in loot that could drop. NEVER ransom a ship (except cap ships). NEVER ransom ANY hauler :-) Pods are worth a try, but they very rarely pay either.... Inncorrect. You're forgetting the time element involved.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.16 14:29:00 - [41] Originally by: Malcanis Originally by: tiller Ransoming.... what a WASTE of time. Those who are willing to pay X ransom have XXX at least in loot that could drop. NEVER ransom a ship (except cap ships). NEVER ransom ANY hauler :-) Pods are worth a try, but they very rarely pay either.... Inncorrect. You're forgetting the time element involved. Yeah thats true I'd pay to not have to go shopping for mods i hate shopping Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin Marcus Thinks Eve who knew!?
RavenofAzerath Shih Yang Tong	Posted - 2007.01.16 14:55:00 - [42] Well, if me and some buddies are in a gang we might just blow them to hell or ransom them both pay alright both are an ego boost. If i'm on my own I usually let them go boom because when i'm on my own I dont want any interferance but if i'm in an area where theres say 2 others in local I might try a ransom due to the immediate cash burst and not having to sell stuff which can take time. My opinion = Ransom if local is reletivly clear and you know they have something they want to keep. Nuke 'em = when local is heaving or they are in a rubbish ship. --------------------------- I'm not a pirate. Yarr! If in doubt spam ECM
Spix 'UK	Posted - 2007.01.16 15:54:00 - [43] I had a Barge Convert down to hull I said pay isk or go pop.. so the guy pays me.. sadly the belt rats take him out LOL
kublai TunDraGon	Posted - 2007.01.16 15:58:00 - [44] Originally by: Spix 'UK I had a Barge Convert down to hull I said pay isk or go pop.. so the guy pays me.. sadly the belt rats take him out LOL Not to seem arrogant here but...I normally offer them ransom the second I have a point at them
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.16 16:01:00 - [45] Originally by: kublai Originally by: Spix 'UK I had a Barge Convert down to hull I said pay isk or go pop.. so the guy pays me.. sadly the belt rats take him out LOL Not to seem arrogant here but...I normally offer them ransom the second I have a point at them I'm going to try that Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -Marcus TheMartin Marcus Thinks Eve who knew!?

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