EVE Search - NEBULAS WTH?

All Channels

EVE General Discussion

NEBULAS WTH?

» Click here to find additional results for this topic using Google

Monitor this thread via RSS [?]

Pages: [1] 2 3 4 :: one page
Author	Thread Statistics \| Show CCP posts - 13 post(s)
Elyia Suze Nagala Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 40	Posted - 2015.12.09 03:16:13 - [1] - Quote So the background nebulas look way more pix elated than before the update... is there a setting that happened of was this to be expected. I don't care for the new look..
Paranoid Loyd 7648	Posted - 2015.12.09 03:50:58 - [2] - Quote That's interesting, they look better to me, must be a setting, not sure which one. Possibly a video card driver issue? "Gankers are just other players, not supernatural monsters who will get you if you don't follow some arbitrary superstition. Haul responsibly and without irrational fear." Masao Kurata Fix the Prospect!
Ayx Shewma 0scope Goonswarm Federation 96	Posted - 2015.12.09 04:12:17 - [3] - Quote Elyia Suze Nagala wrote: So the background nebulas look way more pix elated than before the update... is there a setting that happened of was this to be expected. I don't care for the new look.. Looks like **** to me, too. Well, some of them. They're massively zoomed in or something, but not the entire sky, just certain sections.
Faenir Antollare Wildly Inappropriate Goonswarm Federation 470	Posted - 2015.12.09 04:37:10 - [4] - Quote Ayx Shewma wrote: Elyia Suze Nagala wrote: So the background nebulas look way more pix elated than before the update... is there a setting that happened of was this to be expected. I don't care for the new look.. Looks like **** to me, too. Well, some of them. They're massively zoomed in or something, but not the entire sky, just certain sections. Seeing much the same, kinda looks like I have turned down settings ready for a fleet fight RiP BooBoo 26/7/1971 - 23/7/2014 My Lady My Love My Life My Wife
Primary This Rifter 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 976	Posted - 2015.12.09 04:41:19 - [5] - Quote The camera field of view has been narrowed slightly.
d0cTeR9 Astro Technologies SpaceMonkey's Alliance 292	Posted - 2015.12.09 04:49:24 - [6] - Quote Hmnn i thought the backgrounds were getting a visual 'upgrade' this patch?... Been around since the beginning.
Daemun Khanid Black Dragon CGLM 202	Posted - 2015.12.09 05:17:39 - [7] - Quote Here we go. Commented for weeks on the test forum thread about how bad these camera changes were and that people were not going to be happy if they pushed them onto live. With the patch release on the 8th some of the changes seem to have been published (with others apparently locked till they are more polished ) One of which being changes to the FOV and the way it ruins background textures whether the optional new camera functions are enabled or not. With the full new camera functions enabled the entire background star field and nebulas are effected whenever you zoom in or out on your ship. Similar to the effect you could see when you held the right mouse button to zoom in/out previously. The result is horribly pixelated starfields and nebula's and it destroys the sense of distance to far distant objects by making them look as if they are just painted on a wall right behind your ship. (which they of course basically are but with the old camera the FOV combined with the lack of zoom on distant objects during normal zoom operations at least created the illusion of distance.) Combine that with shortcut keys that do absolutely nothing, taking away the ability to center the camera on your ship (the camera moves off center based on ship velocity to produce a more "cinematic" effect), nausea inducing wobble and that they removed the ability to focus the camera on objects selected on the overview (essential to dscanning) and what we've got is a potentially decent set of idea's that are completely broken and useless. (camera moving off own ship center seems to have been introduced into live as a bug with this release as well. It constantly has to be reset) Sorry CCP, I hate to moan but all sorts of issues and complaints with these new cameras were brought up at length on the test server forums weeks ago but seem to have been ignored. As far as I can tell every bit of this is just to make flying around future citadels look cooler.... not worth it. Daemun of Khanid
Chainsaw Plankton Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 2162	Posted - 2015.12.09 06:50:00 - [8] - Quote I dont think FoV changed at all. Also all the camera changes are supposed to be opt in. and it seems like they haven't even launched them yet. They were very beta status when I saw them last on sisi. And typically feedback is more helpful than several paragraphs of ranting/complaining. from patch notes: Quote: The background star-field now has an added depth, as it can be occluded by Nebulae phenomenons. The density and sharpness has been adjusted to hide repetitive patterns. My main issue is more that I can see the bands of color in some of the nebulae. also the lack of stars just makes some parts of space look "muddy" It is especially bad in the forge. @ChainsawPlankto
helana Tsero Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 247	Posted - 2015.12.09 07:25:35 - [9] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: I dont think FoV changed at all. Also all the camera changes are supposed to be opt in. and it seems like they haven't even launched them yet. They were very beta status when I saw them last on sisi. And typically feedback is more helpful than several paragraphs of ranting/complaining. from patch notes: Quote: The background star-field now has an added depth, as it can be occluded by Nebulae phenomenons. The density and sharpness has been adjusted to hide repetitive patterns. My main issue is more that I can see the bands of color in some of the nebulae. also the lack of stars just makes some parts of space look "muddy" It is especially bad in the forge. The FOV has changed. You could get exactly the same effect pre patch by using the advance camera hot keys to change the FOV Your correct that camera changes are supposed to be opt in however..... the new cameras feature an even more extreme FOV effect.. the suspicious side of me thinks CCP changed the current camera FOV so when we compare it to the new cameras coming on the 15th... they wont seem so bad... I hope Im wrong. In any case they should roll back this nebula/star field change.. IMO it looks really bad. "... ppl need to get out of caves and they will see something new... thats where is eve placed... not in cave..."-á \| zoonr-Korsairs \|-á QFT !
Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 456	Posted - 2015.12.09 07:27:50 - [10] - Quote Jovian nebula is now white for some reason. Not sure if intentional or...
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 26516	Posted - 2015.12.09 08:21:09 - [11] - Quote Nebulae* I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming... THE GAME ! (: You lost... :)
Presidente Gallente Dark-Rising Decayed Orbit 198	Posted - 2015.12.09 09:40:53 - [12] - Quote Elyia Suze Nagala wrote: So the background nebulas look way more pix elated than before the update... is there a setting that happened of was this to be expected. I don't care for the new look.. Yes, it's brighter and the Nebulae have more depth (covering stars). There's a new "Brightness" button to a slider on the right hand side in "Display & Graphics" (Graphic Content Settings) where you can adjust it. // Patch notes: - The battle between light and dark is over, the brightness slider has been implemented into the settings menu! - The background star-field now has an added depth, as it can be occluded by Nebulae phenomenons. The density and sharpness has been adjusted to hide repetitive patterns.
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 26533	Posted - 2015.12.09 09:59:35 - [13] - Quote Paranoid Loyd wrote: That's interesting, they look better to me, must be a setting, not sure which one. Possibly a video card driver issue? This is completely invalid to say, because you don't even know which nebulae you are comparing. Look at this. Minmatar. http://imgur.com/a/Pt8Jw Toony colours. Lots of colour banding. Compression artefacts. I am so sick, tired and angry of looking at them ... ... seeing how completely broken they are for YEARS now ... ... I feel like causing a shitstorm over this. I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming... THE GAME ! (: You lost... :)
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 26534	Posted - 2015.12.09 10:11:59 - [14] - Quote I can't find that slider everyone is talking about ... I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming... THE GAME ! (: You lost... :)
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 26546	Posted - 2015.12.09 10:18:37 - [15] - Quote ... but I made even more screenshots of THE HORRIBLE MESS THE MINMATAR NEBULAE ARE ! Oh boy I'm so pissed about this. ^_^ I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming... THE GAME ! (: You lost... :)
Sol epoch HELVEGEN Short Bus Mercenaries. 208	Posted - 2015.12.09 10:27:28 - [16] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: ... but I made even more screenshots of THE HORRIBLE MESS THE MINMATAR NEBULAE ARE ! Oh boy I'm so pissed about this. ^_^ That is just petty! You should stick to creating underwear!
Shalashaska Adam Partial Safety 119	Posted - 2015.12.09 11:54:31 - [17] - Quote Yes the new skyboxes arn't currently working right. Undocked from jita minutes after the update and got treated to a blurry pixelated sea of colorbanded browns. Would be nice to get a CCP response on this.
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 26561	Posted - 2015.12.09 11:55:40 - [18] - Quote Shalashaska Adam wrote: Yes the new skyboxes arn't currently working right. Undocked from jita minutes after the update and got treated to a blurry pixelated sea of colorbanded browns. Would be nice to get a CCP response on this. Can you screenshot that and upload it to imgur? Wondering how it looks like... I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming... THE GAME ! (: You lost... :)
Elyia Suze Nagala Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 40	Posted - 2015.12.09 12:25:09 - [19] - Quote Primary This Rifter wrote: The camera field of view has been narrowed slightly. Yea I ready that later last night. It's like they did exactly what some one said, they zoomed in, but lost the quality of the image while doing It.
Elyia Suze Nagala Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 40	Posted - 2015.12.09 12:29:52 - [20] - Quote As usual, good intent, but horrible outcome..

CCP Darwin C C P C C P Alliance 1759	Posted - 2015.12.09 13:04:21 - [21] - Quote Regarding camera field of view, we are looking into whether any changes to our camera system might have unintentionally affected the existing camera's field of view. Nothing to report on this front yet. We did not intentionally change this parameter. Previously to this patch, the star fields were added on top of the background nebulae. Now, nebulae occlude the star fields behind them to varying degrees. This means that you're able to get a better look at compression artifacts, which have always been present in our nebula textures. We're looking into our options for improving compression for these textures to reduce the artifacts you've pointed out in your screen shots. Finally, I'm working with one of our art directors, CCP Nag, on optimizing our background starfield to reduce artifacts when zoomed in and sharpen the visual impression of the stars. This work is looking promising and would be a simple change, but as with the nebulae, it requires balancing quality against compression so that we don't kill your video card or deliver something with artifacts that feel worse than what's in game now. There's no doubt that our new nebula setup has brought certain artifacts and imperfections in our assets to the forefront, but the technological groundwork is sound and we're doing what we can to deliver a higher-quality look for the sky background that addresses the issues you've raised here. CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins

Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 26671	Posted - 2015.12.09 13:09:16 - [22] - Quote Why can't you make it procedural and end the discussion once and for all ? There's algorithms out there. Or why not simply have a dithering algorithm run over it to reduce the banding? Or what about high resolution nebulae? And where is the slider? I can't find it ... I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming... THE GAME ! (: You lost... :)
Primary This Rifter 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 978	Posted - 2015.12.09 13:14:11 - [23] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Paranoid Loyd wrote: That's interesting, they look better to me, must be a setting, not sure which one. Possibly a video card driver issue? This is completely invalid to say, because you don't even know which nebulae you are comparing. Look at this. Minmatar. http://imgur.com/a/Pt8Jw Toony colours. Lots of colour banding. Compression artefacts. I am so sick, tired and angry of looking at them ... ... seeing how completely broken they are for YEARS now ... ... I feel like causing a shitstorm over this. Wow that last one is really bad, it's like someone took an airbrush and averaged the colors of the nebula and then sprayed it in a streak across the image.

CCP Darwin C C P C C P Alliance 1759	Posted - 2015.12.09 13:21:51 - [24] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Why can't you make it procedural and end the discussion once and for all ? There's algorithms out there. The sky environment is a multi-part system that combines texture-mapped and procedural elements. The nebulae are not procedural because they're paintings, and we're not looking at a procedural alternative to that element at this time. Quote: Or why not simply have a dithering algorithm run over it to reduce the banding? Or what about high resolution nebulae? As I indicated in my comments, we are looking at alternatives for delivering higher-quality nebulae. Some of these alternatives are promising, but they all involve delivering more data to the client and using more texture RAM on the video card than what we're doing currently. Quote: And where is the slider? I can't find it ... If you're asking about the brightness slider, press Esc to open the settings window. On the Display & Graphics tab, on the far right, you'll see a column labeled Graphic Content Settings. About a quarter of the way down is a button labeled Brightness. Click that and a window with the slider will appear. (The reason the Brightness slider opens another window is that the Settings window darkens and occludes the scene you're trying to adjust with the slider, which would make adjusting the control more difficult than it has to be.) CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins

Hal Morsh Hmmzor. Muffins of Mayhem 457	Posted - 2015.12.09 13:28:01 - [25] - Quote Winning! CCP knows what they're doing. Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 26675	Posted - 2015.12.09 13:28:42 - [26] - Quote Thanks... I'll look again when I log back in. Honestly, I was looking literally everywhere. And sorry about me ranting. Minmatar space has been ugly for years now and the redish brown/black contrasts make it the most ugly space to live in... :( I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming... THE GAME ! (: You lost... :)
Primary This Rifter 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 979	Posted - 2015.12.09 13:31:56 - [27] - Quote I think Minmatar space is awesome looking, tbh.
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 26692	Posted - 2015.12.09 13:43:56 - [28] - Quote Primary This Rifter wrote: I think Minmatar space is awesome looking, tbh. :( I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming... THE GAME ! (: You lost... :)

CCP Darwin C C P C C P Alliance 1762	Posted - 2015.12.09 13:45:26 - [29] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: And sorry about me ranting. Minmatar space has been ugly for years now and the redish brown/black contrasts make it the most ugly space to live in... :( Most techniques for image compression sacrifice quality in reds and blues to achieve a better overall look for typical real-world scenes. Unfortunately, this isn't very kind to very red images like our Minmatar nebula backgrounds. I'll make sure that we carefully take a look at the impact on Minmatar nebulae as we discuss texture compression going forward. CCP Darwin GÇó Senior Technical Artist, EVE Online GÇó @mark_wilkins

Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 26730	Posted - 2015.12.09 13:48:15 - [30] - Quote CCP Darwin wrote: Solecist Project wrote: And sorry about me ranting. Minmatar space has been ugly for years now and the redish brown/black contrasts make it the most ugly space to live in... :( Most techniques for image compression sacrifice quality in reds and blues to achieve a better overall look for typical real-world scenes. Unfortunately, this isn't very kind to very red images like our Minmatar nebula backgrounds. I'll make sure that we carefully take a look at the impact on Minmatar nebulae as we discuss texture compression going forward. Thank you! I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming... THE GAME ! (: You lost... :)

Pages: [1] 2 3 4 :: one page
First page \| Previous page \| Next page \| Last page

COPYRIGHT NOTICE
EVE Online, the EVE logo, EVE and all associated logos and designs are the intellectual property of CCP hf. All artwork, screenshots, characters, vehicles, storylines, world facts or other recognizable features of the intellectual property relating to these trademarks are likewise the intellectual property of CCP hf. EVE Online and the EVE logo are the registered trademarks of CCP hf. All rights are reserved worldwide. All other trademarks are the property of their respective owners. CCP hf. has granted permission to EVE-Search.com to use EVE Online and all associated logos and designs for promotional and information purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not in any way affiliated with, EVE-Search.com. CCP is in no way responsible for the content on or functioning of this website, nor can it be liable for any damage arising from the use of this website.