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AaronP Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.01.13 23:55:00 - [1] Well, my Alt is training for a Command Ship at the moment. Hes going to be flying a fully T2 Sleipnir in the next month or so. The idea is to use him in some camps, and small to medium roaming gangs with support, ie tacklers etc. What would you say is the best Command ship, talking the best MIX of Tank and Gank. What can tank forever whilst doing great damage? Your opinions will be welcomed, hope i've made the right choice with the Sleipnir. Main reason, and the thing that got me hooked on it was in a war we had ages ago, some guy had a sleipnir and it tanked forever. Thanks
Flaming sambuka The Wailing Doom	Posted - 2007.01.14 00:03:00 - [2] Even though i cannot fly it, the sleipir is my favourite, it ganks and tanks and has no cap use on its guns, what more could you want!
Father Weebles Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.01.14 00:15:00 - [3] Originally by: Flaming sambuka Even though i cannot fly it, the sleipir is my favourite, it ganks and tanks and has no cap use on its guns, what more could you want! ****ty tank most versatile cs=eos "Welcome to EVE, where inflation is out of control."
Malthros Zenobia Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.01.14 00:20:00 - [4] Both Gallente CBC have omgwtfhuge dronebays to give them a good soruce of damage to go with their 7 turret hardpoints, and can fit decent tanks. I think the Nighthawk, with 6 launchers, and a pure passive tank, can be quite nice though. Getting up around a 1k DPS tank for lowest resist and immunity to NOS, altho the DPS are less than half of what you'll get with Gallente boats (mainly due to drones). Originally by: kieron The Carrier was never intended to be a solo OMGWTF mission-farming PWNmobile.
LeMoose The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.14 00:23:00 - [5] Originally by: Father Weebles Originally by: Flaming sambuka Even though i cannot fly it, the sleipir is my favourite, it ganks and tanks and has no cap use on its guns, what more could you want! ****ty tank most versatile cs=eos it has a great tank.
Hakera Freelance Unincorporated Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.01.14 00:25:00 - [6] imo the eos/astarte and absolution are cool rides, sliepnir and NH are ok but the first 3 rock imo. Mainly due to them able to use their med slots, makes them that more versitile than the sheild tanked ships.
Akita T Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2007.01.14 00:29:00 - [7] Well, all command ships have advantages and disadvanteges, depending how you set them up, and the level of support you need to provide (and ius provided by) your fleet. Vulture has a mean passive shield tank, is a sniper ship, and can boost the shield efficiency of your gang by a lot. Nighthawk has only slightly weaker passive shield tank, and can deal quite a bit of damage at reasonably high ranges. Both Amarr CBCs are mean armor tankers, but the choice of weapons means either cap problems and low DPS against typical hardened targets... can always switch to something else, but meh... as usual, Amarr is pretty shafted. The only good use would be for the armor warfare link bonuses, but you'd have to switch out lasers for capless weapons then, as you can't ever hope to do it all at once. Even if the Sleipnir has probably one of the best mixes of damage and tank around, the Claymore does help roving gangs a lot more, by being able to fit all three skirmish warfare links and run them at increased effectiveness. And other than the evisive man. link, you can only decrease ship sig with halo implants... if you ask me, in a 5+ sized gang, your team would benefit much more from a Claymore rather than a Sleipnir. And finally, the Gallente ones. Say what you want, but they're the undisputed masters of damage and hurt, and they tank like beasts too. First off, you get 50m of drone space from the start on both, so 5 med drones instead of 5 lights like on the rest of the ships. Then you get 7 turrets with damage bonus, AND an armor repairer bonus. Not only that, but the slot layout also allows you to passive shield tank if you want to, instead of armor tanking... and it's not a bad tank either, especially if you focus it against kin/therm (insane DPS resisted there). To top it off, one of them gets an extra damage bonus AND a range bonus for blasters, while the other one gets insane drone bays, at maxed out skills carying 2 full complements of heavies/sentries AND one of mediums (or, for instance, one set of heavies plus one set of heavy maintenance drones even with L4 command). ___ So, well, depends what you want. I'd say Claymore or Eos as most useful ones, then Nighthawk or Sleipnir. Hell, one Claymore plus one Eos then only NHs and Sleipnirs in gang, that would be a roaming fleet to get scared of in a big way. _ http://ineve.net/skills/character.php?charID=776304952 http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=439640 ON VACATION : 15-23 Jan 2007
AaronP Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.01.14 13:44:00 - [8] Any other opinions?
korrey Taurus Inc	Posted - 2007.01.14 14:18:00 - [9] Originally by: AaronP Any other opinions? Absolution. It may be cap hungry at times, but its tank is nasty, and its damage is too. Most CS look almost exactly like their T1 counterpart cough minmatar cough, which could work to your advantage as people dont know you have a CS But when people see stuff like the absolution with its red stripes, they run.
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2007.01.14 15:52:00 - [10] Originally by: korrey Originally by: AaronP Any other opinions? Absolution. It may be cap hungry at times, but its tank is nasty, and its damage is too. Most CS look almost exactly like their T1 counterpart cough minmatar cough, which could work to your advantage as people dont know you have a CS But when people see stuff like the absolution with its red stripes, they run. I fly all CS except for the NH and they all have a great tank but usually if you're in a small gang they will primary you and it doesn't matter how great your tank is if you have 3 blasterthrons on you you're dead no matter what your tank is
Galban Hunter Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2007.01.14 16:29:00 - [11] I luv my Absolution Its good for lvl4 and comes in handy for PvP, it eats fighters. I haven't even tried the new BS's yet as I do all I need to with my Absolution. -------------------------------------------- [2005.02.08 13:58:16] Your Mega Beam Laser II perfectly strikes Sansha's Beast, wrecking for 709.6 damage.
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2007.01.14 17:00:00 - [12] Originally by: Galban Hunter I luv my Absolution Its good for lvl4 and comes in handy for PvP, it eats fighters. I haven't even tried the new BS's yet as I do all I need to with my Absolution. yeah well I'm trying to find a good absolution setup that involves 6 heavy pulse II 2 MAR II a med nos and an injector =P
Horza Otho Minmatar Infortunatus Eventus	Posted - 2007.01.14 17:17:00 - [13] Edited by: Horza Otho on 14/01/2007 17:13:24 Originally by: Father Weebles Originally by: Flaming sambuka Even though i cannot fly it, the sleipir is my favourite, it ganks and tanks and has no cap use on its guns, what more could you want! ****ty tank most versatile cs=eos Retard, the sleipnir tank is one of the best. Eos would be my favorite though. --- Eris Discordia is miiiiiine
goodby4u Logistic Technologies Incorporated Free Trade Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.14 19:55:00 - [14] ****ty tank???NO And the absolution is made for tankngank...Err just like all the other command ships....Go for any one you want man. __________________________________________ Yes it is great being amarr.
Father Weebles Repo Industries	Posted - 2007.01.14 20:24:00 - [15] Originally by: Horza Otho Edited by: Horza Otho on 14/01/2007 17:13:24 Originally by: Father Weebles Originally by: Flaming sambuka Even though i cannot fly it, the sleipir is my favourite, it ganks and tanks and has no cap use on its guns, what more could you want! ****ty tank most versatile cs=eos Retard, the sleipnir tank is one of the best. compared to what, a cyclone? lets see, 5 med slots. 1 mwd, 1 scram, web...that leaves 2 slots for tanking "Welcome to EVE, where inflation is out of control."
Kehmor Caldari PAK Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.14 20:34:00 - [16] Originally by: Father Weebles compared to what, a cyclone? lets see, 5 med slots. 1 mwd, 1 scram, web...that leaves 2 slots for tanking which is all it needs. It comes with decent shield resists from the go so can run a decent tank even with 2 slots. also rigs? the sig radius penalty isnt gona hurt a battlecruiser that badly. oh and an in built faction shield amp too.
SavageThrash Kemono.	Posted - 2007.01.14 20:41:00 - [17] Ok well. Sleipner does have a decent tank but to make it a good or wicked tank you MUST faction fit it, like many other shield tanking boats. The problem lies here is totally within your wallet. I flew very closely with a sleip pilot that flew faction kitted. The issue was his setup cost him a bill+, yes that means you should invest in a crystal implant set and an XL faction boost. Yes XL booster which is what makes the sleip tank as well as it does (as well as the fact that its boost bonus stacks with SBA). If you go that route above your going to tank pretty dang wicked but in small roaming gang where u need a scram your going to lack. The Nighthawk which i used to fly was a decent ship and its tank came very very close to the Sleip if not the same or better (can't remember exactly). I flew as an active tank though also with faction gear and no scram. I havent flown it since I trained CS 5 and i never tried it with HAM's. Once again it still has expense issues like the sleip but its damage also lacks a fair bit. The absolution which i now fly almost full time is what made me train CS 5. Its got a nice tank, great damage and your midslots can be put to use. To be fully honest i dont understand what the complaints about Amarr sucks here and Amarr sucks there are all about. Yes Amarr ships do em and thermal damage and wow minmatar have a good em res, but thats to be expected there arch rivals remember . Recently i went up against a camp consisting of several intys a mega, muninn and a zealot . As we came in and engaged the mega warped out from his sniping spot, the other assorted frigs went for primary along with the zealot agaisnt my friend in his Absolution. While I was sitting firing on the zealot as well. My friends absolution tank held up fine but i was taking damage and couldn't figure out why. Not that it was bothering me much. But after the zealot went down and the intys warped out we soon realized to our astonishment that there was an AC muninn sitting right on top of me. We engaged with 2 absolutions but holy junk man it took a while for our 2 highly skilled absols to take that muninn out. He went down but it was a pain. Now i can understand that people get upset about that but what are you going to do. Absolutions tank great and do good damage who cares if it takes another 30secs to take it out because it has high em res. Sure its a pain but every class has there downside, that being a minor one imo. The one last factor that made me train for my absolution was that you didnt need to faction tank it! its cheap to fit out. you can run t2 everything and have a whicked tank and wicked damage. Thats the real selling point for me. Yes other ships will tank better but for the price vs survivability/tankability the Absolution is the way to go. Savage my sig lies
Blind Man Kemono.	Posted - 2007.01.14 20:47:00 - [18] The Sleipnir has a great tank if you have someone to tackle for you, and for it to be really good you gotta spend a fair bit of isk on a faction XL booster, however this thing can work like a big vaga if you got good skills/snakes/claymore in gang. I do like the absolution for its durability, ability to have a tackling mod, and can be effective from 5-25km, whereas if you fit a speed mod and scram on the Sleipnir you lose a lot of tank and don't gain too much damage. The absolution isnt very great as a solo ship however, because it can get owned by nos even with an injector, and it has a crappy drone bay. Originally by: Deathbarrage Originally by: Galban Hunter I luv my Absolution Its good for lvl4 and comes in handy for PvP, it eats fighters. I haven't even tried the new BS's yet as I do all I need to with my Absolution. yeah well I'm trying to find a good absolution setup that involves 6 heavy pulse II 2 MAR II a med nos and an injector =P this works and is what you asked for (other than the ss rep..) 6x HPL II, med nos ab, scram or web, electro (or ts) cap injector ss rep, t2 rep, 2x eanm, dcu, 2x HS t2 (or ts) Thermic resist and armor rep amount rig (lg slaves and some hardwirings like armor rep duration reduction, med laser dmg, armor hp..) help alot too.
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2007.01.14 20:59:00 - [19] ehm, sliepnir needs mwd+20km, no web, and i tank it with 2 slots: MWD, 20km, DG invul, XL b-type gist, med cap injector FTL
AaronP Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.01.14 21:03:00 - [20] How do you fit an XL booster without Having fitting problems???
Kusotarre Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.14 21:07:00 - [21] The XL fits fine with 220s, a gangmod, 3 nanos/istabs and 2 gyros.
AaronP Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.01.14 21:42:00 - [22] Ive got a Gist C-Type Large Shield Booster, cant afford a decent XL booster (As in Faction..) Would that do on a Sleipnir?
SavageThrash Kemono.	Posted - 2007.01.14 22:06:00 - [23] Edited by: SavageThrash on 14/01/2007 22:05:03 An X-large will benefit you way more. Since you get the boost bonus amount an X-large with amp and the bonus (then crystals if you got them) = hax. I find a NH can tank with a large (it has to, no way possible to fit an xl) but you NEED crystal implants and then you run gist x-type large, 2 invuls, cap injector and a boost amp. Without the crystal set i would reccomend a passive tank. I have never passive tanked and thats why once i lost my crystal set (yay lag ) i stopped flying the NH but from what i heard its a decent PT. my sig lies
Ketrin	Posted - 2007.01.14 22:24:00 - [24] Sleipnir is the best command ship in the game. All who don't know that obviously do not know what they are talking about.
AaronP Omega Fleet Enterprises Executive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.01.14 22:29:00 - [25] Originally by: SavageThrash Edited by: SavageThrash on 14/01/2007 22:05:03 An X-large will benefit you way more. Since you get the boost bonus amount an X-large with amp and the bonus (then crystals if you got them) = hax. I find a NH can tank with a large (it has to, no way possible to fit an xl) but you NEED crystal implants and then you run gist x-type large, 2 invuls, cap injector and a boost amp. Without the crystal set i would reccomend a passive tank. I have never passive tanked and thats why once i lost my crystal set (yay lag ) i stopped flying the NH but from what i heard its a decent PT. My problem is money, to be able to afford a decent faction XL Booster well, i just couldnt. I could use a T2 one.. but wouldnt i suffer cap problems?
LUKEC Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.14 22:30:00 - [26] I really liked nanoclaymore performance in roaming gangs. Dirt cheap and effective + has slots for 5guns and 3 gang links. Solo... sleipnir, perhaps eos. Rest is too nosf vulnerable or doesn't have slots/dps etc Bigger gangs/fleets: everything works, but beam absolutions & nighthawks pwn support slightly better than other CS. And sidenote: astarte is junk. -------- The BoB model is bad for business. Incidently the BoB model is more suited for a game such as WoW where as the ASCN model more suited for Eve. McGreedy
Blind Man Kemono.	Posted - 2007.01.14 22:33:00 - [27] Originally by: Ketrin Sleipnir is the best command ship in the game. All who don't know that obviously do not know what they are talking about. i lol'ed
SavageThrash Kemono.	Posted - 2007.01.14 22:35:00 - [28] Originally by: AaronP Originally by: SavageThrash Edited by: SavageThrash on 14/01/2007 22:05:03 An X-large will benefit you way more. Since you get the boost bonus amount an X-large with amp and the bonus (then crystals if you got them) = hax. I find a NH can tank with a large (it has to, no way possible to fit an xl) but you NEED crystal implants and then you run gist x-type large, 2 invuls, cap injector and a boost amp. Without the crystal set i would reccomend a passive tank. I have never passive tanked and thats why once i lost my crystal set (yay lag ) i stopped flying the NH but from what i heard its a decent PT. My problem is money, to be able to afford a decent faction XL Booster well, i just couldnt. I could use a T2 one.. but wouldn't i suffer cap problems? CPU usage would kill you. You would probaly have to fit faction mods that use less cpu hence spending lots of money that you dont have. my sig lies
Yarek Balear The Initiative	Posted - 2007.01.15 00:34:00 - [29] After engaging a Sleipnir (I thought it was a Cyclone - hey I'd been drinking) 1v1 yesterday by mistake while in my Myrmidon and winning, I'd perhaps leave the Sleipnir out of the list of best ones.
Sin Stylejr	Posted - 2007.01.15 02:02:00 - [30] Originally by: Yarek Balear After engaging a Sleipnir (I thought it was a Cyclone - hey I'd been drinking) 1v1 yesterday by mistake while in my Myrmidon and winning, I'd perhaps leave the Sleipnir out of the list of best ones. No record on BC. Took the time to post a stabber and not a sleipnir solo kill? If this really did happen the pilot musta been an idiot. Come jump my sleipnir in your myrm...bet you dont last long enough to see a 2nd rep. Personally I'm a minmatar addict so I cant speak for the other CS but I can tell you I hate battleships so I skilled into a sleipnir. After biting the bullet and buying one I can honestly say I dont regret a minute of skill time or isk invested. But what do I know im a industrialist heheh

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