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Ocono
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Posted - 2007.01.18 16:56:00 -
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 Originally by: Sovy Kurosei
I prefer this:
1. Bring some friends in stealth bombers and start jetcan mining.
2. Have your buds cloak, sitting and waiting for an ore thief to show up.
3. Once the ore thief takes some ore have your friends uncloak and blast the bugger away. 
Fun, fun.
This only works in low sec space, correct? I have been asking about this very thing and found out that only the victim of theft has kill rights on someone, so any gangmembers who open fire on the Theif will be ripped apart by concord.
Unless I am missing something...
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Live Eye
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Posted - 2007.01.18 16:58:00 -
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If you want to annoy an ore theif simple make sure you have a friend online and semi ready. And mine like normal simply with a warp disrupter on. To steal ore they will be in an industrial so they won't be further than 20km away from you anytime soon once you start scrambling them. And for additional security make sure your friend is ready to warp in the second the scrambler goes off, but that may cost you some ore. Obviously be in a gang with your friend before scramble goes off.
On the other hand if you have nice drone skills who needs friends, warp disrupt then sic 5 hobgob/hammerheads on them. There is only one way to deal with pirates and theives and that is to take the child's toy from them. They will whine and cry and eventually find something else to do...
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Dr Felonius
Caldari
Civilian Purposes Limited
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Posted - 2007.01.18 17:32:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Ocono
This only works in low sec space, correct? I have been asking about this very thing and found out that only the victim of theft has kill rights on someone, so any gangmembers who open fire on the Theif will be ripped apart by concord.
Other member's of the miner's corp who are in grid when the theft happens will also get aggro. I'm not sure if being in gang is good enough, but I know the corp thing is right (unless they've since changed it) since we used to use it during can swap ops to get away with ganking macro miners.
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Erfnam
Time Cube Syndicate
Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.19 16:51:00 -
[34]
Fit a warp jammer on the barge. It'll lock and jam before he can warp, even if aligned. Or you could just ram him with the cloaked bomber (manticore moves faster cloaked). If you time it right, you'll hit him right as he is stealing the ore.
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Nercromancer
S-44
Tre Kroner
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Posted - 2007.01.20 10:06:00 -
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Fit a passive targeter, and lock him as soon as he warps in, when he takes your loot, you can instantly activate your mods, and hopefully warp scramble him before he jumps away
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Winters Chill
Amarr
Scavenger Technologies
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Posted - 2007.01.20 11:22:00 -
[36]
I find hitting them repeadedly with heavy missiles does the job.
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Kazah'dur Vorlonis
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Posted - 2007.01.21 11:07:00 -
[37]
Originally by: Nercromancer
Fit a passive targeter, and lock him as soon as he warps in, when he takes your loot, you can instantly activate your mods, and hopefully warp scramble him before he jumps away
Is there skill to make passive targeter duration longer? If not, 5sec duration is barely enough if you lock on him when he jumps in and you are almost in same spot he warps.
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Malice nMayhem
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Posted - 2007.01.23 17:13:00 -
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As a miner, I have been annoyed by Ore Thieves a few times.
Imho, ore thieving should be considered a crime and the miner should be able to file a claim with the Concord for the stolen merchandise.
The Concord naturally will not hunt down the peeps but will claim the cash for the miner and send it to them, less a hefty fee.
That way, if someone steals your ore just to get you to try to fight them, you file a claim and take their money for a while.
It's very similar to our current justice system other than having to go to jail if you are convicted.
As the game KNOWS that the miner has been ripped off, the Concord will know too hence preventing false claims.
If a miner or anyone else attempts to file a false claim, the Concord penalizes them.
More money for the Concord means more protection and higher paid law enforcement officials.
Everyone except the ore thieves are happy.
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Malice nMayhem
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Posted - 2007.01.23 17:28:00 -
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Forgot to mention, the Concord would have set prices for all ores.
That is the rate at which the miners would be reimbursed less the Concord collection fee.
The long and short of it is the thief would have to steal higher value ores in order to make a profit.
Say the thief stole 1 unit of pyroxeres at 30 ISK. The Concord would have a set price around 20 ISK per unit and would probably reimburse the miner at around 10 ISK per unit.
In essence, work with a miner and make more money or if you steal, steal wisely...
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Cloora
Caldari
APEX Unlimited
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Posted - 2007.01.23 18:07:00 -
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I just mine with my Retriever and my friend hauls for me. I have enough cargo space to never have to fill the can even while they are dumping the the ore load.
The best way to irratate and ore thief is to never have anything they can steal.
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Cloora
Caldari
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Taedron
Net 7
Brotherhood Of Steel
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Posted - 2007.01.23 18:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jaggeh
Your worst enemy is not the ore thief but your own inatentiveness (did i make that word up?)
No, but you did spell it wrong. "inattentivness"
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Zaphod Jones
Celtic Anarchy
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.23 18:13:00 -
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how to annoy ore thieves
basically stop mining ore, that'll soon annoy them ;)
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snakebreath
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Posted - 2007.01.30 10:13:00 -
[43]
Originally by: Malice nMayhem
As a miner, I have been annoyed by Ore Thieves a few times.
Imho, ore thieving should be considered a crime and the miner should be able to file a claim with the Concord for the stolen merchandise.
The Concord naturally will not hunt down the peeps but will claim the cash for the miner and send it to them, less a hefty fee.
That way, if someone steals your ore just to get you to try to fight them, you file a claim and take their money for a while.
It's very similar to our current justice system other than having to go to jail if you are convicted.
As the game KNOWS that the miner has been ripped off, the Concord will know too hence preventing false claims.
If a miner or anyone else attempts to file a false claim, the Concord penalizes them.
More money for the Concord means more protection and higher paid law enforcement officials.
Everyone except the ore thieves are happy.
Bad idea, first of all how would this be like our current justice system? And since when do real life police reimburse for claims against unapprehended suspects? Basically what your asking for is that you can sit and mine into a jet can all day without risk of loss, is this right? In other words, your asking for the end to ore thieving. What ore thieve in his right mind is going to steal ore from you when he knows that he is going to have funds deducted anyway after you file a claim with Concord. In addition to being flagged.
If you want to compare this to a real life justice system, the ore thief is innocent until proven guilty(in most parts of the civilized world). In order to prove him guilty you need to take advantage of the flagging system.
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snakebreath
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Posted - 2007.01.30 10:13:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Malice nMayhem
As a miner, I have been annoyed by Ore Thieves a few times.
Imho, ore thieving should be considered a crime and the miner should be able to file a claim with the Concord for the stolen merchandise.
The Concord naturally will not hunt down the peeps but will claim the cash for the miner and send it to them, less a hefty fee.
That way, if someone steals your ore just to get you to try to fight them, you file a claim and take their money for a while.
It's very similar to our current justice system other than having to go to jail if you are convicted.
As the game KNOWS that the miner has been ripped off, the Concord will know too hence preventing false claims.
If a miner or anyone else attempts to file a false claim, the Concord penalizes them.
More money for the Concord means more protection and higher paid law enforcement officials.
Everyone except the ore thieves are happy.
Bad idea, first of all how would this be like our current justice system? And since when do real life police reimburse for claims against unapprehended suspects? Basically what your asking for is that you can sit and mine into a jet can all day without risk of loss, is this right? In other words, your asking for the end to ore thieving. What ore thieve in his right mind is going to steal ore from you when he knows that he is going to have funds deducted anyway after you file a claim with Concord. In addition to being flagged.
If you want to compare this to a real life justice system, the ore thief is innocent until proven guilty(in most parts of the civilized world). In order to prove him guilty you need to take advantage of the flagging system.
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snakebreath
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Posted - 2007.01.30 10:13:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Malice nMayhem
As a miner, I have been annoyed by Ore Thieves a few times.
Imho, ore thieving should be considered a crime and the miner should be able to file a claim with the Concord for the stolen merchandise.
The Concord naturally will not hunt down the peeps but will claim the cash for the miner and send it to them, less a hefty fee.
That way, if someone steals your ore just to get you to try to fight them, you file a claim and take their money for a while.
It's very similar to our current justice system other than having to go to jail if you are convicted.
As the game KNOWS that the miner has been ripped off, the Concord will know too hence preventing false claims.
If a miner or anyone else attempts to file a false claim, the Concord penalizes them.
More money for the Concord means more protection and higher paid law enforcement officials.
Everyone except the ore thieves are happy.
Bad idea, first of all how would this be like our current justice system? And since when do real life police reimburse for claims against unapprehended suspects? Basically what your asking for is that you can sit and mine into a jet can all day without risk of loss, is this right? In other words, your asking for the end to ore thieving. What ore thieve in his right mind is going to steal ore from you when he knows that he is going to have funds deducted anyway after you file a claim with Concord. In addition to being flagged.
If you want to compare this to a real life justice system, the ore thief is innocent until proven guilty(in most parts of the civilized world). In order to prove him guilty you need to take advantage of the flagging system.
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Gar Ddhen
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.30 11:32:00 -
[46]
How about not jetcan mining?
Would you leave your mobile phone or your laptop on the front seat of your car while you go to do whatever you do around town? Would you leave the front window of your house open and the dog chained up in the back garden? If not why leave a jetcan floating about in space which effectively shouts steal me?
If you leave the stuff lying around people will try pick it up. If you mine in that way, then accept you are going to lose some of your ore. Personally I cant think of anything more boring than flying around stealing miners cans other than actually mining myself, though like many folk I am reduced to mining on occasion to gather required minerals for shiny new toys!
Oh, last time I looked, most sensible ore thieves or Indy pilots running through potentially dangerous space pack a bunch of warp stabs in the lows, if they are stupid enough to forget them they deserve to get scrambled and blown away.
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Gar Ddhen
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.30 11:32:00 -
[47]
How about not jetcan mining?
Would you leave your mobile phone or your laptop on the front seat of your car while you go to do whatever you do around town? Would you leave the front window of your house open and the dog chained up in the back garden? If not why leave a jetcan floating about in space which effectively shouts steal me?
If you leave the stuff lying around people will try pick it up. If you mine in that way, then accept you are going to lose some of your ore. Personally I cant think of anything more boring than flying around stealing miners cans other than actually mining myself, though like many folk I am reduced to mining on occasion to gather required minerals for shiny new toys!
Oh, last time I looked, most sensible ore thieves or Indy pilots running through potentially dangerous space pack a bunch of warp stabs in the lows, if they are stupid enough to forget them they deserve to get scrambled and blown away.
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Sadao
Delictum 23216
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Posted - 2007.01.30 11:43:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Malice nMayhem
Stuff
Your solution would end a profession in EVE. Why would you want to do that? Because you don't like it?
Tough luck!
I am not an ore thief but its part of this game and people should be allowed to do it if they want. You already have the tools to stop them. Your just too lazy to use them.
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Aramendel
Amarr
Queens of the Stone Age
Anarchy Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.30 11:57:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Lord Slater
Edited by: Lord Slater on 15/01/2007 15:22:05
Even better still.
1. Drop can with ore loot one unit of course in o.5 and upwards.
2. let thief take ice.
3. uncloak warp scramble him and web him.
4. set orbit to 1km
5. go afk for an hour or so and leave him screaming away in local saying "let me gggoooooo".
He would just log out.
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Acinonyx Jubatus
International Multi-Player Consortium
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.30 12:32:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Acinonyx Jubatus on 30/01/2007 12:32:29
Know what, nevermind... :P Shouldn't give ore thieves an extra edge.
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Dita Jin
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Posted - 2007.01.30 13:03:00 -
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Anyone's who's ever tried running industrials in 0.0 before revelations patch is very proficient in ore theft, simply fit the same modules on the industrial as you would in 0.0, steal the ore and watch a thorax with small projectile turrets warp in and try to kill off your MK2 Badger with 3k shields and 3 wcs.
It's simple, fast and easy money now that warp to 0 has been implemented there is almost no risk of getting killed.
This might call for improvements, or not, if we are to make it harder for ore thives life will be harder for other industrial pilots, same goes the other way around.
Anyone stealing ore in something else but a transport, barge or industrial is not after the money, he's usually after to gank someone.
I am ore thief and i am proud of it!
It's my choice and it not my fault you have no friends in eve that can help you mine, because usually, a heavy armed cruiser is enough to make smart ore thieves reconsider their choice of target.
Aligning ship for warp before snagging can is smart, but if there's is a smart escort with the miners they have already targeted you before you reach the can and so they only wait to bring thier warp disruptors online.
Even though ore thieves cna be a nuisance, they can be easily stopped, besides if ore thievery would be exticnt, those mineral prives would fall right down to the bottom (except of course for the more valuable minerals who are in low sec space)
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Caius Sivaris
Minmatar
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2007.01.30 13:11:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Aramendel
Originally by: Lord Slater
Edited by: Lord Slater on 15/01/2007 15:22:05
Even better still.
1. Drop can with ore loot one unit of course in o.5 and upwards.
2. let thief take ice.
3. uncloak warp scramble him and web him.
4. set orbit to 1km
5. go afk for an hour or so and leave him screaming away in local saying "let me gggoooooo".
He would just log out.
He would just just eject, dock, hop in a combat ship, and come back to kill you.
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