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Cleric JohnPreston	Posted - 2007.01.14 14:04:00 - [1] Any isk to be made from it ? Whats the point really ?
Alexi Borizkova Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2007.01.14 14:33:00 - [2] Is this just an inflammatory alt post, or do they really grow 'em that dense where you're from? The money to be made is easy enough to research, and I'll save you some legwork here. You can only ever harvest 100 units of any material per hour currently, from a moon, and it can have several materials in it. Your fuel is used at a steady rate hour by hour all week long. Take the price per unit of the available moon material(s) to mine, and multiply it by 16,800(24 hours a day, 7 days a week production), then deduct your fuel costs per our multiplied by 168(24 hours a day, 7 days a week usage). The result is your profit per week. You'll have to fiddle with an average tower 1-3 times per week for a little or a long time, depending on your hauling skills and experience, so see if it's worth your time. What you'll be left with is a sour taste in your mouth, and a supreme antipathy for silicates, evaporite deposits, and atmospheric gasses. If you manage to find a decent moon you can make hundreds of millions a month, if not... you're lucky to clear fuel costs. Alternatively (as this assumes you're selling raws) you can set up to not mine anything and just process the raw materials of others, so what is in your moon is irrelevant, but this assumes risk if the market shifts while you are mid production cycle, so contracting sellers AND buyers is the best route. Just buy some poor mook's, say, their Platinum Technite, Sulfuric Acid, and Neo Mercurite, and produce nanotransistors. Just alter some numbers accordingly, (the specific production value of nanotransistors on the open market, and the costs of the three components) and see if that will turn a worthwhile profit. Then you can go read the refine values of the npc sold probes, and cry yourself to sleep. We still call Starbases POS because... well, they don't exactly make life easier, and you'll spend more time hating the damn thing than feeling like a pioneer, but at hte end of hte day if you do it right, things aren't so bad.
Cleric JohnPreston	Posted - 2007.01.14 15:05:00 - [3] ill take your reply as a firm `NO` then !
Alexi Borizkova Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2007.01.14 15:17:00 - [4] Not at all, plenty of money to be made, despite all the hassle and headache. Just don't try to compete on anything low end, all the mooks building their POS as a "really cool fort!" in lowsec tend to flood the market with anything that is remotely common, so you have to range farther afield than 0.4. Generally speaking, I would say that trying to find an unclaimed worthwhile moon anywhere except low populated 0.0 would be frustrating, unless you can roll POS removal (assuming it's your typical weak industrial corp) into startup costs and the numbers still look good. Remember, you're looking at anywhere from a 150-450m for the tower and kit (depending on size) and from 30-60m isk a month to keep it up. Regardless you will either need to buy probe data or do it yourself at 100-300k per moon, average 30-50 moons per system. There's good money in this, rest assured, you just can't be stupid and do the equivelant of mining veldspar in jita and expect to turn a profit, because you're wasting fuel not just time.
Cleric JohnPreston	Posted - 2007.01.14 16:38:00 - [5] well if it helps, my corp is situated in 0.0 in a very remote part of space. Guess i need to scan the moon were situated at.
Alexi Borizkova Caldari New Age Solutions	Posted - 2007.01.14 16:51:00 - [6] Originally by: Cleric JohnPreston well if it helps, my corp is situated in 0.0 in a very remote part of space. Guess i need to scan the moon were situated at. I've scanned around a dozen systems, every single moon, and found a total of maybe 6-7 moons deemed "worth exploiting". I suggest you just start probing whole systems, or hire a skilled professional to do it for you. (Though I personally don't trust interstellar prospectors for hire)
Leya Shen	Posted - 2007.01.14 22:49:00 - [7] I was actually just thinking of build my own first POS. Just a small one to see what it is and have something to do. Let¦s say I find a rather good moon somewhere not to crowded, is it worth selling raw materials? I believe many POS owners (small corps) sell a lot of raw materials already. I¦m not looking to make hundreds of millions ISK, but is there any profit at all in selling raw materials? Of course it depends on where you sell it, but in general. It would probally be really fun to have your own POS to play with, but if you don¦t earn enough to cover the fuel costs it¦s not worth it.. So, general speaking, can I make atleast some profit with a small POS then selling the raw materials? Thanks.
Viktoria Maher	Posted - 2007.01.14 23:07:00 - [8] Originally by: Alexi Borizkova Take the price per unit of the available moon material(s) to mine, and multiply it by 16,800(24 hours a day, 7 days a week production), then deduct your fuel costs per our multiplied by 168(24 hours a day, 7 days a week usage). The result is your profit per week.
Arron S Gallente Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.01.15 04:00:00 - [9] Short awnser.... Yes Gah!
Shifty McMurphy	Posted - 2007.01.17 01:43:00 - [10] As you might have figured out by now, POSes are complex. Don't forget to balance in 'hidden' fuel costs (are you mining it? Hauling it? How often will you lose a hauler full? How much Str. Calthrates do you keep on hand as an emergency precaution?) with your expected income. Also, if you can, diversify. Relying on selling one material means that fluctuations in the cost of that material can sink you. I was running POSes more than a year ago. A combination of ice price increase and overproduction on my part caused me to go under. I had two large towers producing a Tungsten Carbide...I literally oversupplied the market that was available due to the quantities I was producing. Now I've got tons of cash in POS bits sitting in a corp hangar. Not fun. Also, bear in mind that you'll have to make arrangements to haul stuff. This is a bit easier now due to freighters being available, but it can make for one incredibly boring timesink.
voidvim Minmatar Genco Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.18 02:31:00 - [11] try the pos fun time channel in game for info on pos also my guide could help moon material stude the links at the top of this section of the form are few handy
Commander Predator	Posted - 2007.02.07 17:56:00 - [12] If your going to set up a POS keep in mind it HAS to be in low sec. therefore you must calculate your CPu and powergrid of the moon harvestors and silos...make sure you have enough for guns. also, iwouldnt set up a pos without a nice sized corp to defend for you as well. i havent set one up yet...was thinking about it but my friend has so i have some experience with it. basically if a dreadnought or carrier comes in, and your a moon harvesting POS or a research ETC...and you have no guns...its gone. just keep that in mind.
Filthy McScumbag	Posted - 2007.02.07 20:16:00 - [13] Originally by: Alexi Borizkova Remember, you're looking at anywhere from a 150-450m for the tower and kit (depending on size) and from 30-60m isk a month to keep it up. Is that fuel cost for a large tower?
Suncats Shadow Caldari Archon Industries	Posted - 2007.02.08 00:04:00 - [14] Here are some helpful links for POS stuff I have found. POS Planner Reactions Moon mins
Esab Caldari United Divided	Posted - 2007.02.08 11:07:00 - [15] Originally by: Commander Predator If your going to set up a POS keep in mind it HAS to be in low sec. therefore you must calculate your CPu and powergrid of the moon harvestors and silos...make sure you have enough for guns. also, iwouldnt set up a pos without a nice sized corp to defend for you as well. i havent set one up yet...was thinking about it but my friend has so i have some experience with it. basically if a dreadnought or carrier comes in, and your a moon harvesting POS or a research ETC...and you have no guns...its gone. just keep that in mind. Only if you are intending to moon mine....no reason why you cant set one up in a 0.5/0.6/0.7 system if you have the standings. Yes there are restrictions to what you can do but it means no guns are really neccesary. .
Liviy ANZAC ALLIANCE Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.08 21:23:00 - [16] You can't mine moons in 0.4 and above...0.4 and above POS's are only really for labs --- Southern Cross Alliance & ANZAC Alliance Recruitement

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