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Brigadine Ferathine
KATERI'S MENAHJE
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Posted - 2015.12.10 19:18:04 -
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Will the average joe be able to own a citadel or will we have to have proof from a mega coalition? Right now you have to have permission from your corporation, alliance, coalition or mega coalition to have a POS or Station.
I ask because CCP needs to stop giving a handful of people opportunity's and fun. I am tired of 1% of the population controlling the game.
This is a great chance for CCP to give power to the playerbase as a whole. |

Hal Morsh
Hmmzor. Muffins of Mayhem
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Posted - 2015.12.10 19:22:20 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Will the average joe be able to own a citadel or will we have to have proof from a mega coalition?  Right now you have to have permission from your corporation, alliance, coalition or mega coalition to have a POS or Station. I ask because CCP needs to stop giving a handful of people opportunity's and fun. I am tired of 1% of the population controlling the game. This is a great chance for CCP to give power to the playerbase as a whole.
It's still going to be a thing that requires others. You plan on defending it yourself?
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Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.12.10 19:23:42 -
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So you want characters in non-wardeccable NPC Corps to be able to put up a Citadel in highsec and be completely immune from destruction?
Also, what 1% control the game?
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Kieron VonDeux
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Posted - 2015.12.10 19:24:15 -
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Most likely need roles to deploy and configure and as well would remain a Corp asset if you leave the Corp.
Work around, deploy one with alt and give your main full access. Around 600 mil for smallest one, with additional cost for upgrades.
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Brigadine Ferathine
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Posted - 2015.12.10 19:24:21 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Will the average joe be able to own a citadel or will we have to have proof from a mega coalition?  Right now you have to have permission from your corporation, alliance, coalition or mega coalition to have a POS or Station. I ask because CCP needs to stop giving a handful of people opportunity's and fun. I am tired of 1% of the population controlling the game. This is a great chance for CCP to give power to the playerbase as a whole. It's still going to be a thing that requires others. You plan on defending it yourself? Maybe... That's BS. Why is CCP even bothering with replacing POS's. They have the same exact negative effect on individuals. |

Brigadine Ferathine
KATERI'S MENAHJE
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Posted - 2015.12.10 19:25:11 -
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Kieron VonDeux wrote:Most likely need roles to deploy and configure and as well would remain a Corp asset if you leave the Corp.
Work around, deploy one with alt and give your main full access. Around 600 mil for smallest one, with additional cost for upgrades.
Still BS. Stop giving all the power to 1% |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2015.12.10 19:27:52 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote: Still BS. Stop giving all the power to 1%
What would be BS would be creating a structure that is effectively immune from attack by allowing every player to own one, no matter what Corporation they sit in.
If you want one as a single player, then make a single player Corporation and put one up. How is that control by some 1%?
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Brigadine Ferathine
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Posted - 2015.12.10 19:28:56 -
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Scipio Artelius wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote: Still BS. Stop giving all the power to 1%
What would be BS would be creating a structure that is effectively immune from attack by allowing every player to own one, no matter what Corporation they sit in. If you want one as a single player, then make a single player Corporation and put one up. How is that control by some 1%? Why does it have to corporation tied? |

Kieron VonDeux
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Posted - 2015.12.10 19:30:17 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote: Still BS. Stop giving all the power to 1%
What would be BS would be creating a structure that is effectively immune from attack by allowing every player to own one, no matter what Corporation they sit in. If you want one as a single player, then make a single player Corporation and put one up. How is that control by some 1%? Why does it have to corporation tied?
So it can be WarDec'd.
You can't declare war against an individual, for good reason.
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Brigadine Ferathine
KATERI'S MENAHJE
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Posted - 2015.12.10 19:31:58 -
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Kieron VonDeux wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Scipio Artelius wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote: Still BS. Stop giving all the power to 1%
What would be BS would be creating a structure that is effectively immune from attack by allowing every player to own one, no matter what Corporation they sit in. If you want one as a single player, then make a single player Corporation and put one up. How is that control by some 1%? Why does it have to corporation tied? So it can be WarDec'd. You can't declare war against an individual, for good reason. Bounty system? |

Kieron VonDeux
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Posted - 2015.12.10 19:36:14 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Bounty system?
Bounty system allows someone to create incentives for shooting particular players, Corps, or Alliances.
WarDecs make it legal to shoot players in a specific Corp or Alliance, in HiSec.
Edit: WarDecs apply to players and structures of Corps and Alliances. Bounty system only applies to players in Corps and Alliances. |

Chainsaw Plankton
Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave
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Posted - 2015.12.10 19:36:38 -
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MMO, you are supposed to play with others.
I do somewhat agree with the sentiment though. It seems citadels are the first step into the new structure world, and they seem mainly to be there to replace outposts and large control towers. Currently I can fit a small pos tower in a blockade runner with a bunch of fuel. perfect for temporary deployments, and if I lose one it doesn't really hurt too much. Hopefully there is some sort of small forward outpost type structure. I'd say let anyone attack it in highsec and give them a suspect timer to work around NPC corps being wardec immune.
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Brigadine Ferathine
KATERI'S MENAHJE
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Posted - 2015.12.10 19:42:07 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote:MMO, you are supposed to play with others.
I do somewhat agree with the sentiment though. It seems citadels are the first step into the new structure world, and they seem mainly to be there to replace outposts and large control towers. Currently I can fit a small pos tower in a blockade runner with a bunch of fuel. perfect for temporary deployments, and if I lose one it doesn't really hurt too much. Hopefully there is some sort of small forward outpost type structure. I'd say let anyone attack it in highsec and give them a suspect timer to work around NPC corps being wardec immune. Good compromise.
Key difference is you are supposed to play with others, not be forced to have others use you as a pawn so they can play. |

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2015.12.10 19:45:14 -
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You're in a corp of 26 people.
Does that make you part of the 1%? You can launch for corp use. It can be locked down for your own use.
I have no objection to these structures requiring you to be part of a player corporation to have. Anyone can found a corporation.
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Kieron VonDeux
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Posted - 2015.12.10 19:47:34 -
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Chainsaw Plankton wrote: I'd say let anyone attack it in highsec and give them a suspect timer to work around NPC corps being wardec immune.
As a Pirate I would say, hell yeah!
As a realist I would say, don't allow those in NPC Corps to deploy structures. If they want such advanced gameplay, leave the protection of a NPC Corp.
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.10 19:51:28 -
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Yep. If you are in a corp, ask them for permission. If they don't give you permission, it's the wrong corp for what you want to do, consider leaving. If you are not in a corp, join one. If you don't want to join one, create one. It costs 100k ISK or so - you should be able to afford that, when you are thinking about owning a Citadel. |

Brigadine Ferathine
KATERI'S MENAHJE
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Posted - 2015.12.10 19:53:15 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:You're in a corp of 26 people.
Does that make you part of the 1%? You can launch for corp use. It can be locked down for your own use.
I have no objection to these structures requiring you to be part of a player corporation to have. Anyone can found a corporation. See the problem is that removes you from PvP and a lot of PvE too.
Also, I am speaking as someone who can be part of an alliance, but doesn't want to because of the lack of control over your own destiny. The problem lies with everything that is tied to corporations really is tied to mega coalitions because the mega coalitions control the alliances and their corperations.
To say that EVE is good because of the dependence on groups is nieve. The game has the lowest player counts in over 8 years. Clearly 10s of thousands of people(the majority) disagree. |

Brigadine Ferathine
KATERI'S MENAHJE
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Posted - 2015.12.10 19:54:19 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Yep. If you are in a corp, ask them for permission. If they don't give you permission, it's the wrong corp for what you want to do, consider leaving. If you are not in a corp, join one. If you don't want to join one, create one. It costs 100k ISK or so - you should be able to afford that, when you are thinking about owning a Citadel. I have never heard of a corp that is so loose... |

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2015.12.10 19:56:17 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote: See the problem is that removes you from PvP and a lot of PvE too.
Also, I am speaking as someone who can be part of an alliance, but doesn't want to because of the lack of control over your own destiny. The problem lies with everything that is tied to corporations really is tied to mega coalitions because the mega coalitions control the alliances and their corperations.
To say that EVE is good because of the dependence on groups is nieve. The game has the lowest player counts in over 8 years. Clearly 10s of thousands of people(the majority) disagree.
Uh, what?
Being in a corporation removes you from PvP? And from PvE?
Am I misunderstanding you? Because I can't see how that works.
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Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.10 19:57:05 -
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I really don't get what you are saying. If you are in a Corp, you can get rights and slap down a POS or Citadel. If you are not in a Corp you can make one and slap down a POS or Citadel.
Or is it really not the fact, that you need to be in a Corp, to build a POS/Citadel, but the fact that your precious little sand castle in HS can be destroyed? |

Brigadine Ferathine
KATERI'S MENAHJE
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Posted - 2015.12.10 19:58:14 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote: See the problem is that removes you from PvP and a lot of PvE too.
Also, I am speaking as someone who can be part of an alliance, but doesn't want to because of the lack of control over your own destiny. The problem lies with everything that is tied to corporations really is tied to mega coalitions because the mega coalitions control the alliances and their corperations.
To say that EVE is good because of the dependence on groups is nieve. The game has the lowest player counts in over 8 years. Clearly 10s of thousands of people(the majority) disagree.
Uh, what? Being in a corporation removes you from PvP? And from PvE? Am I misunderstanding you? Because I can't see how that works. Solo and small gang PvP is totally dead in this game. You cant reasonibly access null sec PvE or Mining |

Neuntausend
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.12.10 19:59:44 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:I have never heard of a corp that is so loose...
In the big bad Megadonut I am a member of, I merely need to ask, to be allowed to put up a POS or ten. |

Brigadine Ferathine
KATERI'S MENAHJE
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Posted - 2015.12.10 20:01:49 -
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Neuntausend wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:I have never heard of a corp that is so loose... In the big bad Megadonut I am a member of, I merely need to ask, to be allowed to put up a POS or ten. Really? |

Brigadine Ferathine
KATERI'S MENAHJE
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Posted - 2015.12.10 20:05:57 -
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Neuntausend wrote:I really don't get what you are saying. If you are in a Corp, you can get rights and slap down a POS or Citadel. If you are not in a Corp you can make one and slap down a POS or Citadel.
Or is it really not the fact, that you need to be in a Corp, to build a POS/Citadel, but the fact that your precious little sand castle in HS can be destroyed? Corps don't hand out rights like that, Largely due to the massive amount of theft, scamming and spying that goes on in this game. I don't have a problem with them being vulnerable, I have a problem with nobody allowing me access to a part of the game that I pay for. |

Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
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Posted - 2015.12.10 20:08:24 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote: See the problem is that removes you from PvP and a lot of PvE too.
Also, I am speaking as someone who can be part of an alliance, but doesn't want to because of the lack of control over your own destiny. The problem lies with everything that is tied to corporations really is tied to mega coalitions because the mega coalitions control the alliances and their corperations.
To say that EVE is good because of the dependence on groups is nieve. The game has the lowest player counts in over 8 years. Clearly 10s of thousands of people(the majority) disagree.
Uh, what? Being in a corporation removes you from PvP? And from PvE? Am I misunderstanding you? Because I can't see how that works. Solo and small gang PvP is totally dead in this game. You cant reasonibly access null sec PvE or Mining
Nope, still think I'm missing your point.
Being in an NPC corp, the only option if you're not in a PC corp, makes it easier to get into big fights? (I'd also dispute the solo and small gang bit.)
Hmm. Or are you coming at this from the perspective that you must be a member of a large alliance to get PvP? And that the alliances you know of say that you can't anchor things? (though that's really a corp level decision, not an alliance one. And all Alliances are made up of corporations)
Then there's the total non-sequitur about nullsec PvE. Which has nothing to to with corporation membership. You do know you don't need to leave highsec, to be a member of a player corp, and you can anchor things in Highsec?
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Kieron VonDeux
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Posted - 2015.12.10 20:09:27 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Neuntausend wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:I have never heard of a corp that is so loose... In the big bad Megadonut I am a member of, I merely need to ask, to be allowed to put up a POS or ten. Really?
In the pirate alliances I've been in you just need to ask to put up POSes or POCOs.
You may need to tell them where it is going if you putting it in an alt Corp, so your alliance doesn't put it on its list of future targets.
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Brigadine Ferathine
KATERI'S MENAHJE
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Posted - 2015.12.10 20:11:58 -
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Steve Ronuken wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Steve Ronuken wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote: See the problem is that removes you from PvP and a lot of PvE too.
Also, I am speaking as someone who can be part of an alliance, but doesn't want to because of the lack of control over your own destiny. The problem lies with everything that is tied to corporations really is tied to mega coalitions because the mega coalitions control the alliances and their corperations.
To say that EVE is good because of the dependence on groups is nieve. The game has the lowest player counts in over 8 years. Clearly 10s of thousands of people(the majority) disagree.
Uh, what? Being in a corporation removes you from PvP? And from PvE? Am I misunderstanding you? Because I can't see how that works. Solo and small gang PvP is totally dead in this game. You cant reasonibly access null sec PvE or Mining Nope, still think I'm missing your point. Being in an NPC corp, the only option if you're not in a PC corp, makes it easier to get into big fights? (I'd also dispute the solo and small gang bit.) Hmm. Or are you coming at this from the perspective that you must be a member of a large alliance to get PvP? And that the alliances you know of say that you can't anchor things? (though that's really a corp level decision, not an alliance one. And all Alliances are made up of corporations) Then there's the total non-sequitur about nullsec PvE. Which has nothing to to with corporation membership. You do know you don't need to leave highsec, to be a member of a player corp, and you can anchor things in Highsec? Now I just feel like you are trolling. All alliances I know of don't want you taking up a moon. |

Brigadine Ferathine
KATERI'S MENAHJE
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Posted - 2015.12.10 20:12:46 -
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Kieron VonDeux wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Neuntausend wrote:Brigadine Ferathine wrote:I have never heard of a corp that is so loose... In the big bad Megadonut I am a member of, I merely need to ask, to be allowed to put up a POS or ten. Really? In the pirate alliances I've been in you just need to ask to put up POSes or POCOs. You may need to tell them where it is going if you putting it in an alt Corp, so your alliance doesn't put it on its list of future targets. lowsec is so empty... do they even exist anymore? |

Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari End of Life
41478
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Posted - 2015.12.10 20:14:41 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote: Bounty system?
Bounties don't allow you to attack a structure.
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Kieron VonDeux
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Posted - 2015.12.10 20:16:10 -
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Brigadine Ferathine wrote:Now I just feel like you are trolling. All alliances I know of don't want you taking up a moon.
Depends on what it is, where it is, and how friendly you are with the major powers in your area.
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