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TIvian	Posted - 2003.12.04 07:03:00 - [31] Edited by: TIvian on 04/12/2003 07:03:30 Good luck Omega Corp. sounds like you got a raw deal. BUT being that Stain just pushed its best PvP corp out the door sounds like Stain sealed its own fate. Your Pwoned Stain. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) Teh Uber Asheron's Call Bunny Booty WTFPWNZ you!!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2003.12.04 07:27:00 - [32] Quote: Edited by: TIvian on 04/12/2003 07:03:30 Good luck Omega Corp. sounds like you got a raw deal. BUT being that Stain just pushed its best PvP corp out the door sounds like Stain sealed its own fate. Your Pwoned Stain. You're joking, right? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Leo Graf	Posted - 2003.12.04 07:36:00 - [33] If OC would like to issue a Press Release, EVE GUARDIAN would be happy to host, and publish it. We strive to ensure fairness to all, so we publish all press releases that are SUBMITTED to us. We can, and have, commented on certain ones that we have chosen to have an opinion on. Stain Alliance is no different. We recieve the press release, and we publish it. If you choose not to issue one, that is your option. We ask however that you do not abuse this priviledge in trying to debate the issues. Feel free to go to www.eveguardian.com and click "Submit News". _____________________________________________ EVE GUARDIAN Chief Editor EMAIL - [email protected] EVE-MAIL - Leo Graf Independance, Truth, Integrity; We are EVE GUARDIAN
TIvian	Posted - 2003.12.04 08:00:00 - [34] Quote: Quote: Edited by: TIvian on 04/12/2003 07:03:30 Good luck Omega Corp. sounds like you got a raw deal. BUT being that Stain just pushed its best PvP corp out the door sounds like Stain sealed its own fate. Your Pwoned Stain. You're joking, right? I speak the truth. and no I am not joking. EV can't and won't hold up to Omega Corp. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) Teh Uber Asheron's Call Bunny Booty WTFPWNZ you!!
Dreez	Posted - 2003.12.04 08:55:00 - [35] Ask any CA-member what SA-Corp did most damage to CA. What SA-Corp was activly hunting down and destroying CA ships in curse region ? And what Cathrine heard, that OC was going to whipe out both MASS and EV is just pure bull$hit. Give me ANY proof saying that OC wanna kill MASS . ANY PROOF. 'Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig ' - Duke Droklar [OC]
Korath	Posted - 2003.12.04 09:27:00 - [36] Quote: If OC would like to issue a Press Release, EVE GUARDIAN would be happy to host, and publish it. Thanks Leo, We'll probably be sending you guys an official response here. Just waiting for Droklar to do it, him be the boss and all. He's down with the flu at the moment but we should be able to whip something up
Ackath	Posted - 2003.12.04 09:31:00 - [37] Been part of a C4 alliance corp at some point, i know some of OC guys since beta and its my personal belif that they arenot bad guys. I hope there will be a way to solve all this nonsense. This is just my personal opinion/hope.... Nonetheless since we are at war, will engage OCs whenever the opportunity arises
Andrew Jade	Posted - 2003.12.04 09:36:00 - [38] Quote: Quote: Quote: Edited by: TIvian on 04/12/2003 07:03:30 Good luck Omega Corp. sounds like you got a raw deal. BUT being that Stain just pushed its best PvP corp out the door sounds like Stain sealed its own fate. Your Pwoned Stain. You're joking, right? I speak the truth. and no I am not joking. EV can't and won't hold up to Omega Corp. I have to admit i laughed when i read that. -Aj- WTB: Large faction smartbomb with good range. Top isk paid.
Centuri	Posted - 2003.12.04 10:05:00 - [39] Nice to see that Andrew, when was the last time (other than yesterday), did "Falcon Wing" conduct any offensive sorties against CA? ....When you're sitting in DSS or U-QV, looking at the big blip in OSHT, did you ever wonder what was happening waaay back there in CA? OC is what was happening, actually doing some "fighing". I've gained more respect for CA fighting them, than I ever had for EV. Falcon Wing should be renamed Pretty Boy Wing, all you guys do is pose at gates. I have alot of time to post now, sitting in OC territory looking at the map expecting EV/SW fleets coming to exact our doom, when infact I see no one coming. Two hours of camping our territory the first 2 hours of the war doesn't cut it guys. Also I agree, I DARE you to prove that we had ever any plans against MASS, through all your uber intel reports you'll never find a word said against MASS.
Catherine Airey	Posted - 2003.12.04 11:10:00 - [40] Quote: Quote: Edited by: TIvian on 04/12/2003 07:03:30 Good luck Omega Corp. sounds like you got a raw deal. BUT being that Stain just pushed its best PvP corp out the door sounds like Stain sealed its own fate. Your Pwoned Stain. You're joking, right? Then why did you have to pay evolution to help fight the CA boys last night josh deary? You best get to work getiing Evolution in SA, as you lack a corp of their fighting prowess now
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2003.12.04 13:46:00 - [41] Edited by: Danton Marcellus on 04/12/2003 13:47:23 Watch Stain alliance drones, for it is the future, ah, where's my shades? Convert Stations
GoLeM	Posted - 2003.12.04 16:06:00 - [42] Quote: Quote: Quote: Edited by: TIvian on 04/12/2003 07:03:30 Good luck Omega Corp. sounds like you got a raw deal. BUT being that Stain just pushed its best PvP corp out the door sounds like Stain sealed its own fate. Your Pwoned Stain. You're joking, right? I speak the truth. and no I am not joking. EV can't and won't hold up to Omega Corp. Sorry Tivian but I have to disagree. EV can easily hold up to OC. It's very easy for them to sit in a station. I mean I camped 8 people, mostly EV, in DSS the other day. And I was alone. It's hard to kill them when they won't undock.
Deathlok	Posted - 2003.12.04 16:26:00 - [43] Well as an observer that knows the parties, I think its sad such a mighty alliance can't work out its differences. Frankly, I think it says a lot for the CEO of OC to not figure out a way to work this out. As for combat, I have to agree with the post of the OC player. I see more OC, Mass, Storm Guard Elite, Galactic Foreign Legion, and Solar Wind then I ever see of EV, Redemption or HMMI. With OC gone, thats one less of the corps that seems to have some fight in it. I've also heard that some of the combat oriented corps of Stain arent to eager to take up arms VS their old comrade. This outta be interesting to see how it plays out... This stuff is far better then the Amarrian Succession.....
Bad Harlequin	Posted - 2003.12.04 16:27:00 - [44] well... at least i won't get confused between black omega and omega corp appearing in local any more... and for the record, no, i have never accidentally shot a black omega ,-) You are in a maze of twisty little asteroids, all alike.
Nirvy	Posted - 2003.12.04 16:40:00 - [45] Quote: well... at least i won't get confused between black omega and omega corp appearing in local any more... and for the record, no, i have never accidentally shot a black omega ,-) About God Damned time! I was about to scream if one more CA newcomer decided i was omega corp! shame about OC they were ALWAYS in curse, had some decent fights with em Mercenary \| The Azath
Blink	Posted - 2003.12.04 16:59:00 - [46] Quote: Omega Corporation: Its sad to see you leave, but the alliance needs changes and changes are being done. It is through your own non-compliance that you find yourself in this current situation. I hope that you resolve this quickly by negotiating a ceasefire and leaving stain and finding a new home. I hope you will not side with Curse as that would go against the principles you fought for while in this alliance. LOL, were not going anywhere. Omega Corp Advertisement
Blink	Posted - 2003.12.04 18:31:00 - [47] Quote: Quote: Quote: Did you forget EV gave you what you wanted in hopes of peace? Yet another example of the whole problem right there- why is EV giving out anything? A nice demonstration of EVs attitude in uh blue and white. WAKE UP SA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Secondly you can't give something to someone who already owns it. And while I'm at it, belt count was a stupid way to redraw the map to begin with. Gee I wonder who's idea was it to do it that way? Hmm lets think, probably the corp who ended up with a whole constellation. Maybe if you knew of the background on the situation you wouldnt sound so daft to current SA members. Old Farts CEO Greyhound was given the duty to draw the map. He quit, so then the question was posed: "Who would do it?" No one responded, so EV decided we would do it. We scouted all the systems out and spent many hours trying to create the most equal map possible. Belt count is the only way to make sure all bistot spawns were evenly distributed. Obviously at this point anyone can see that OC was not in favor of equality. Equality wasnt the demand of EV, it was the decision of the SA Council. Yes but the SA council has no experience with the systems in question. If anyone is "daft" is the guy who's idea it was to "equalize" based on belt count? Who was that anyway? It doesn't work that way cause some systems suck for mining, some systems belts are full of pockets and unmanageable pirate spawns. The surveying doesn't take that into account. EVs siren song of OC greed is utterly bogus. As to the constellation EV selected for itself and you claims "ignorance" of SA bylaws. Officially you may have equal bistot systems but nobody is naive to presume other corps or going to mine the "shared" systems when they are so far away from their own territory -this counterdicts the purpose of the redrawing. And in drawing the map and placing EV there, EV gave itself three stations and significantly closer access to those "shared" systems. Do any of the other SA corps plan on mining those systems? Will they not have to base in EV territory to do so? This, and other issues got us where we are now- not OC "greed". We gave up whole constellations for "equality" how can wanting to keep our hq and best mining system be greed? Do you really think a few belts makes a difference anyway? Droklar will speak for OC but I will say #1 issue and this conflict is with EV not SA, and certainly not MASS or other SA corps. I have seen the log of the council meeting leading to this mess and it's a tragity of hostility, bad information, and rash judgements. I wonder what most SA MEMBERS (ie. those not privy to these council meetings) would choose given the chance-perhaps a forum should be called for all members of the SA to hear the issues, decide for themselves, and vote in a poll. Because other than the hawks most of the SA guys I see really don't think this needs to go the way it's going. Some EV members drew first blood already -yet another clear sign as to who wants this war. Omega Corp Advertisement
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2003.12.04 21:39:00 - [48] Quote: ...I think its sad such a mighty alliance can't work out its differences. Why is it sad? The game was designed for corporate warfare, not alliance warfare, feeling a wee bit furry are we? Convert Stations
Torm Yvette	Posted - 2003.12.04 22:02:00 - [49] Hmmmm...what saddens me is to see people who are supposed to be allies, treat each other as such. I don't care about the political ins and outs of the matter. All I know is now my guns have to be aimed at people that are supposed to be my allies. This could not have happened at a worse time. If Omega cares so much for the Stain Alliance, then I hope they are willing to admit to partial responsibility of its fracturing. This could have been settled diplomatically and should have been. What a pity! "May the tides of war always crash upon your enemy's shore."
Dreez	Posted - 2003.12.04 22:14:00 - [50] I have some words for you that keept ringin in our ears when EV decided to equally split up the stain Region. Equal share for Equal WORK ! ! What Corp has dont most damage to the Enemies of the Stain Alliance ? What Corp spent entire nights hunting and wrecking several CA shÝps each week in Curse. Omega Corp. yeah yeah, EV was camping Gates all days long, what damage did that do to CA - not a damn $hit. Have you not noticed that when OC removed their pressure on CA from the back doing raids, CA heavely increased their assults on the SA front door and even started to advance in. I tell you, if EVOL had not come to you rescue, Stain would be CA territory right now.... easy. 'Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig ' - Duke Droklar [OC]
Korath	Posted - 2003.12.04 22:23:00 - [51] This could have been settled diplomaticly. This war was forced on us by the majority vote. Our options were to roll over like ***s or go to war. Well anyone that knows us knows we're not ***s and we don't roll over for anyone. Problem is that some of the SA corps couldn't handle having a handful of bistot producing belts less than us. So they declared war.
Mr Blonde	Posted - 2003.12.04 22:28:00 - [52] One thing is sure, you guys picked one of the most petty and retarded reasons for a large inter-alliance war if I ever did see one. Hell breaking up a regional alliance due to a scrabble over a few insignificant belts rivals the stupidity TTI presented when they decided to splitt the NVA because they had voted for TTI to stay...... I think the hat is on the move.... __________________________________________ Are you gonna bark all day, little doggy, or are you gonna bite??
Main	Posted - 2003.12.04 22:52:00 - [53] I am no longer a member of Everlasting Vendetta, i left them after i had problems with money and time. Hopefully, when everything is sorted out and Eve improves a little and i can come back, mr Civil will welcome me back . I was a member of Falcon wing and i was in engagements against Rus, against Moo and Sinister and against the Curse Alliance and we did more then a heck of a lot of Stain Alliance members interms of fighting the war. Our members were very rarely outside of Curse territory. Yes, we did blockade Hed-gp a lot of the time with parts of Falcon wing, whilst the rest of falcon wing were in systems such as J7a, Osht-a, etc. I, and the rest of Falcon wing and Everlasting Vendetta, have fought alongside Mass and Evolution and Omega Corporation, many, many times. Everlasting Vendetta supported the Stain Alliance far more than a lot of corporations within the alliance. Personally, i have lost 3 battleships to action against the Curse Alliance and i have always been fully supported by only my corporation when getting into my next battleship. If you ask Evolution, if you ask Mass, if you ask a lot of Stain and Curse Alliance corporations, who fought the hardest and who caused the most trouble, Everlasting Vendetta will definately be one of the corporations that spring to mind instantly. I do remember the initial problems that Omega Corporation had with Everlasting Vendetta at the start and it was a mistake on our part when some of our members wandered into the wrong system. Main Everlasting Vendetta Veteran Member of the Stain Alliance
Cyrus Bishop	Posted - 2003.12.04 22:55:00 - [54] Quote: One thing is sure, you guys picked one of the most petty and retarded reasons for a large inter-alliance war if I ever did see one. Hell breaking up a regional alliance due to a scrabble over a few insignificant belts rivals the stupidity TTI presented when they decided to splitt the NVA because they had voted for TTI to stay...... I think the hat is on the move.... The alliance isn't broken Mr. Blonde. One corporation does not an alliance make. Of course, there is still a civil war to be fought and the outcome is still in question, but I don't think the SA should be mourned just yet. As for the hat being on the move, perhaps you would like to add it to your already growing collection. I doubt it will replace the Ass Hat as the prize piece however. I swear I have never seen you add anything to any conversation anywhere besides off-the-cuff, uninformed, and uterly useless mutterings of a "retarded" nature. You have no idea as to all of the reasons for this war, and nothing you say will have any impact one way or the other, other then to cause one or two people who actually do have a clue, or are involved to wish that you'd crawl back under your rock. If you simply can't fight the urge to make insulting comments about things that have nothing to do with you I will be happy to create a thread titled "People in Eve Who Actually Matter". I think you'll find yourself comfortably out of place in a thread such as that. Cheers. "Always forgive your enemies--nothing annoys them so much."
Blink	Posted - 2003.12.04 23:08:00 - [55] Quote: I have some words for you that keept ringin in our ears when EV decided to equally split up the stain Region. Equal share for Equal WORK ! ! What Corp has dont most damage to the Enemies of the Stain Alliance ? What Corp spent entire nights hunting and wrecking several CA shÝps each week in Curse. Omega Corp. Ah but dont forget the words from EVs Civil something like "History means nothing." I believe it was. Omega Corp Advertisement
Shamis Orzoz	Posted - 2003.12.04 23:47:00 - [56] Good luck Omega. Stain has lost their best fighters. Last time I saw EV was in curse. They decided to blow up some of my men who were caught offguard. Even after we proved to them that we were enemy's of CA and had been fighting against CA in a number of small battles they still refused to even return the loot they stole from the ships we lost. It was surprising to me after having numerous positive encounters with Omega in curse. Shamis Foundation Navy
Xen0	Posted - 2003.12.05 01:28:00 - [57] Quote: Good luck Omega. Stain has lost their best fighters. Last time I saw EV was in curse. They decided to blow up some of my men who were caught offguard. Even after we proved to them that we were enemy's of CA and had been fighting against CA in a number of small battles they still refused to even return the loot they stole from the ships we lost. It was surprising to me after having numerous positive encounters with Omega in curse. Shamis Foundation Navy Stain are ebil pirates! -=/Bah\=-
Maven Hollowind	Posted - 2003.12.05 05:01:00 - [58] I do still wonder why almost no non( EV or OC) Stain members, have voiced their opinions. This applies to both the current forum and this one (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=46105&page=1) I believe with the exception of MassÆs declaration of following the will of the SA council announcement, there have been none. Also in response to OC not being a major effort in the SA / CA war... Then why do the CA members keep contracting that? I would think the people SA was at war with would be the most likely ones to know who are attacking them.
Mr Blonde	Posted - 2003.12.05 08:05:00 - [59] Did I say it was broken? Its just a cut in its stability during wartimes.. not really a smart move if you ask me. Potential to escalate into something ugly. So sorry if I made you cry, but hey, the truth hurts. For that matter ive never seen you add anything to a conversation anywhere either, infact who the hell are you? Quite frankly anyone who doesnt see that causing instability, among your own ranks while at a state of war, is stupid, would be better off making a thread titled "People who need to get a clue" so that I can promptly add their name to it. __________________________________________ Are you gonna bark all day, little doggy, or are you gonna bite??
Main	Posted - 2003.12.05 10:25:00 - [60] Quote: I do still wonder why almost no non( EV or OC) Stain members, have voiced their opinions. This applies to both the current forum and this one (http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=46105&page=1) I believe with the exception of MassÆs declaration of following the will of the SA council announcement, there have been none. Also in response to OC not being a major effort in the SA / CA war... Then why do the CA members keep contracting that? I would think the people SA was at war with would be the most likely ones to know who are attacking them. Maven, for all the people who say that Omega wasn't one of the biggest corporations in Stain and not helping with a war, all i have to say is that i fought alongside a number of Omega Corporation in Curse. Main Everlasting Vendetta Veteran Member of the Stain Alliance

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