Thanks Guard!

Though I have a question..

If you plan to put it back in to the gift list, will you announce it prior to the 21st?

I don't want to select a gift that ... in all reality, I'm not likely to use.

Thanks for everything!

~Dani

Hey everyone.

We have removed the remap from the list of available holiday gifts, at least temporarily, while we look into some improvements we feel need to be made, and if we will be able to make them in time.

Why are we doing it?

Because we are not happy with the way it functions, essentially because it doesn't function as people sometimes think it does, and is therefore likely to mislead a good amount of those who choose it as their gift. We want you to be happy with your gift and not be mad during Christmas.

What does this mean for you guys?

1.Those who picked it already?
Nothing yet. We are just looking at our options of improving the gift before it is distributed on the 22nd. Until then, we don't want to enlarge the group of people who have chosen this gift.

2. Those who want it but haven't chosen it yet.
You won't be able to choose it unless we enable it again, but you have until the end of the 21st to choose your gift and we will keep you informed on the progress of our work well before that time. Please note that if you choose something else before we come to a conclusion on our end, your choice will be final.

3. Everyone else.
This won't affect you at all. Enjoy your gift.

Please accept our apologies for not making this decision BEFORE we put the list out there as we obviously should have. As promised, we will keep you informed on the progress and of course we are listening to your feedback.

sooo... any choice between now and the 21st is final
therefore i should wait until midnight of the 21st to see if the remap makes a triumphant return?

essentially because it doesn't function as people sometimes think it does, and is therefore likely to mislead a good amount of those who choose it as their gift

Since I already chose the remap ... if it doesn't return, I assume I'll get to pick again?

1.Those who picked it already?
Nothing yet. We are just looking at our options of improving the gift before it is distributed on the 22nd. Until then, we don't want to enlarge the group of people who have chosen this gift.

Give free remap to everyone like last year. And at the same time reset gift choice on all accounts, deleting previously chosen remap gifts.
Problem solved

if ccp decides to go back on the remaps gift, my alt will be stuck with 27 points in Charisma for the next year

CCP incompetence rears it's ugly head once again.

Take some advice, the only way you recover from this without looking like even larger turds than you already do, is give everybody a free remap and let us choose our Christmas gifts again.

It's bad enough you've given so many people reason for excitement with a free, and priceless, remap, but to take it away literally hours after you offered it would reek of pure stupidity.

Do the right thing, CCP.

Give free remap to everyone like last year. And at the same time reset gift choice on all accounts, and replace remap with snowball launcher and 300 snowballs.
Problem solved

I think they'll know a couple days beforehand if it will return or not, and will inform us.

Since I already chose the remap ... if it doesn't return, I assume I'll get to pick again?

And with regard to "doing the right thing" - they did. The "wrong thing" would have been to just roll out something that was not aligned with what people were expecting.

Erm...they haven't taken it away. It's been withdrawn while they re-align the remap delivery in accordance with what the majority of the playerbase anticipated.

And with regard to "doing the right thing" - they did. The "wrong thing" would have been to just roll out something that was not aligned with what people were expecting.

With respect, the only pure stupidity is your own.

Plus, the item could be bought/sold via market and contracts which would make it... ahem, highly sought after and a preview of the market if CCP ever went the PLEX or GTC for remaps microtransaction route.

Just out of curiosity, what exactly IS the current "not quite as intended" behaviour ?
Maybe we can suggest adjustments to make it fairer.

Actually CCP Guard said they MIGHT bring it back.

Erm...they haven't taken it away. It's been withdrawn while they re-align the remap delivery in accordance with what the majority of the playerbase anticipated.

And with regard to "doing the right thing" - they did. The "wrong thing" would have been to just roll out something that was not aligned with what people were expecting.

With respect, the only pure stupidity is your own.

I gotta say CCP your Remap stuff has been total BS. In the past you gave them out with no warning, so those of us who had 1 saved got 2, but those who were 1 month away from getting one, got their timer restarted, you screwed both my accounts once. Now you gave them out to some, and some can't get it, pretty darn unfair. I have used Min Maxing to maximize my training on my other account and have gotten 10m more skill points then this char in just 2 years, and thats without being rewarded with your free remaps in the past... really really lame, dont know what else to say, nothing you can really do to fix it... except by giving everyone +1 remap and NOT RESETTING THEIR TIMERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I gotta say CCP your Remap stuff has been total BS. In the past you gave them out with no warning, so those of us who had 1 saved got 2, but those who were 1 month away from getting one, got their timer restarted, you screwed both my accounts once. Now you gave them out to some, and some can't get it, pretty darn unfair. I have used Min Maxing to maximize my training on my other account and have gotten 10m more skill points then this char in just 2 years, and thats without being rewarded with your free remaps in the past... really really lame, dont know what else to say, nothing you can really do to fix it... except by giving everyone +1 remap and NOT RESETTING THEIR TIMERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I didn't interpret it that way. There was no 'might' in CCP Guard's message. What he said was:

"We are just looking at our options of improving the gift before it is distributed on the 22nd."

Although I do get the feeling that if it can't be 'fixed' to match expectation it may be withdrawn.

Personally, I have 1 remap ready to use now and I was anticipating having this 'gift' remap added, giving me a total of 2 remaps available. My intention is to use the gift remap for a short period to tidy up some charisma-centric skills, then use my regular remap for a skill plan that will last 1 year+. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this is what will be delivered.

Just out of curiosity, what exactly IS the current "not quite as intended" behaviour ?
Maybe we can suggest adjustments to make it fairer.

Personally, I have 1 remap ready to use now and I was anticipating having this 'gift' remap added, giving me a total of 2 remaps available. My intention is to use the gift remap for a short period to tidy up some charisma-centric skills, then use my regular remap for a skill plan that will last 1 year+. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that this is what will be delivered.

From the sound of it, it appears that it doesn't add in as quite a +1 remap so that if you had 3 months left until your next remap, taking this gift would reset that timer. Obviously that isn't a great gift anymore.

I am sure someone will quickly respond and have a go at me for some reason or other but could you not set up so that once claimed there would be no limetation on redeeming the gift. This would allow those who want to wait for their upcoming remap to add the gift one after they have recieved their schedualed one whist those who want to claim it asap could choose to do so.

Christmas gifts?

Silly question, but outside of that redeemable implant, what gifts and where?

Guess you've been away
Look under Account Management options on the website (after logging in)
https://secure.eveonline.com/

How exactly does the 'gift remap' differ from a normal remap?

if ccp decides to go back on the remaps gift, my alt will be stuck with 27 points in Charisma for the next year

OMG, what did I do?

The remap should be +1 to your current remaps and you get to keep your current timer.

I thought that was what it would be, seemed rather logical (though a bit unbalanced compared to the many "worthless" gifts)

Just remove the timer altogether and issue a new remap to everyone each December. You would never have to wait more than 365 days for a remap and you won't penalize anyone whose current timer is active.

It pretty much priceless. I was planning on remapping for 3 months so I can get my leadership skills done.

Give free remap to everyone like last year. And at the same time reset gift choice on all accounts, deleting previously chosen remap gifts.
Problem solved

Screw the remap, i want more snowballs! :D

I'll be totally honest, I can't think of one person in the game that would choose any of the items listed over a remap.

CCP made a smart decision with Crucible. They listened to the players. Listen to everyone in the forums now please, and either give everyone a free remap (not a remap timer reset), or take away the remaps already handed out. I pay the same amount to play this game as the people who received the gift. It should either be available to everyone or to no one at all.

-my 2 cents

Wow not happy at all. Go into account page to redeem this item as its the only item worth anything. I have the destroyer bpos, I have access to all the L4 and LPs to redeem as much ammo as I need. I can buy boosters and I have +3 sets kicking around. The ships are just collector items, of which I have quite a few already.

Really not pleased right now at all.

CCP What does this mean for you guys?

In this list it is a gift like 4m of skill point????

We are working on an update for later today. Just a quick heads up. Thank you for your patience, everyone.

Why waste time on this useless feature? Just give another, much simplier option - free 500k SP (just an example number, could be more or less). This is the amount people would get by using the remap in a year but it would feel MUCH better, as a holiday gift, than a remap, since you will actually feel it by getting that skill you want a week or two earlier.

We are working on an update for later today. Just a quick heads up. Thank you for your patience, everyone.

Why waste time on this useless feature? Just give another, much simplier option - free 500k SP (just an example number, could be more or less). This is the amount people would get by using the remap in a year but it would feel MUCH better, as a holiday gift, than a remap, since you will actually feel it by getting that skill you want a week or two earlier.

We are working on an update for later today. Just a quick heads up. Thank you for your patience, everyone.

4) Those who used their last remap because they thought they would get another one this month.

I remapped, then choose the remap gift. I wasn't planning on waiting for a year to use it...

I would settle for 250k SP.

I find it funny how CCP managed to mess up the giving out of remaps yet again!

Last time you did it, you had players raging on the forums for almost a month about how unfair it was that some people only got their timer reset, while others got an extra remap on top of their already existing one.

That time you conveniently ignored all the rage and pretended nothing happend, because it was too complicated to fix it.
You'd think that CCP would learn something from that experience.

However, now they are repeating it again! Granted, CCP deserves credit for pulling back the remap option, but the damage is already done as some people have now used their remaps in anticipation of getting another remap.

I never got screwed over by any of these free remaps, as i always had one available and thus got an extra one (also have one available now) However, I can understand why people are upset that other players gain a relative advantage in a critical field such as remaps and skillpoints.

tl;dr Credit to CCP for pulling this and attempting to fix it, but shame on CCP for making the same mistake TWICE.

SP would be so much nicer than a remap. You dont have to commit to a certain path and everyone loves instant gratification. Nothing like finishing that skill that wasn't supposed to be done till the new year.

This is the sort of crap i'm talking about. Get over yourself dude.

I can see 3 good options:

Go to a yearly (1 Jan) remap, instead of the year from last remap, but ONLY when you use your last remap. This way a gift will always be a gift, if you use your last remap, your time is reset immediately and you still get your normal remap on 1 Jan.

In addition to a remap, allow a choice for 2 mil SP (Or whatever equivalent is to a remap. When I did the math for a character remapped to int/mem and chose will/perc skills, I got 1.8mil SP, but I am sure others will get different numbers.

Make remaps a pill or something tangible. This would most likely leave them open to trade and whatnot, but that is fine by me. Some others would probably be vehemently against this idea.

If this option does not make it in time, i likely won't bother with the free gift.

My next remap is due in march, a remap now without resetting the timer and losing the next 1 in march would be worth more to me than all the other options put together

I think this is exactly the problem.

If you can use the remap, then it outweighs the value of the other gift offers by a significant margin.

If you cannot fully benefit from the remap (because your next remap is scheduled within the next month or so), then you are getting badly short-changed.

Remember that there have been past discussions about PLEX for remaps, in which many players considered that a PLEX per remap would be a very fair price (currently approx. 400M-450M ISK). Per Jester's website, the value of the other gifts ranges between 3M-60M ISK.

I don't think that CCP's intent is to provide a gift which greatly benefits some players more than others.

Another reason why a flat SP amount would be a better idea. Benefits everyone the same (actually 500k would be a huge bump for new players) and it instantly does what a remap does over a year.

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=3276
Remaps are back.

Enjoy!

Thx CCP!

Came here to post the link...thanks for having my back Neo ;)

thank you for the holiday gifts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4a9CKgLprQ

I regret that we are no more civilized / mature / evolved than these brats

This is EXACTLY right.

Except these kids actually DID recieve a bad gift.

Our option of 23 different gifts can each be sold for cold-hard cash (somewhere in the range of 30-60+mil) and some-people STILL cried that they weren't good enough.

Oh, and all this AFTER CCP already gave us 2 free unique implants!?

I thought that WAS our gift until I recently discovered the option to choose even more!

Seriously people? Seriously? I'm so proud of the human race....

Came here to post the link...thanks for having my back Neo ;)