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Hopelesshobo
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Posted - 2015.12.16 20:00:30 -
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So first off, to fix your getting shot issue, train up diplomacy. Personally I have it to level 3 and it has a fairly good affect on your effective standings for the NPCs that don't like the ships you fly. You need to get above -5.00 so you don't get shot.
Secondly, unless CCP introduced a newbro guide with all the fancy tutorial missions, they should add in something for the newbro to explain the basics of standings. Even adding a popup dialog when you are approaching the -2.00 and the -5.00 mark would go a long way.
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Hopelesshobo
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Posted - 2015.12.16 20:28:15 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Hopelesshobo wrote:Secondly, unless CCP introduced a newbro guide with all the fancy tutorial missions, they should add in something for the newbro to explain the basics of standings. Even adding a popup dialog when you are approaching the -2.00 and the -5.00 mark would go a long way. You mean something like this or if you would use the gray goo to think also this. The magic word here is THINK. Everything is already explained somewhere. What people need to do, is think before you act.  The OP acted before he thought about it -- he mindlessly indulged in combat, slaughtered thousands of Amarr Navy personnel and Amarr people and expects that no harm is done to his notoriety towards the Amarr Empire. Literally every other game punishes you as well if you attack friends or people of a faction (I've seen this in Witcher 3 a couple of times already). The only difference is that in most other games you can just get out of sight for a bit to make guards of people forget you (like in Witcher); in EVE, you have to live with your sins and repent -- as it should be. Now stop complaining about your own lack of intelligence and get the L1 mission grind on, fool.
Google, EveUni and the Eve Wiki are all great resources for specific detailed information on anything Eve related. But its terrible if that's the solution to everything in Eve. The client itself should give the basics and lay the foundation for players, and if they want more detailed information, THEN they go to those places. Face it, how many newbros in any game only google and look up things after they already screwed something up. I'm all for having to sleep in the bed that you made, but not telling the person to begin with that the gasoline you just gave them is flammable is the wrong answer.
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Hopelesshobo
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Posted - 2015.12.16 20:59:24 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:You shoot another nation's military forces. What exactly does the game need to tell you that you realize that you will face some consequences and better inform yourself about the consequences before you start shooting the military of another nation. Being a capsuleer is not an excuse for daftness. If someone hands you gasoline (a mission against another High sec empire faction) and you set it on fire (shoot this High sec empire faction's military) knowing that it is gasoline (the mission states explicitly that you are going to shoot another High sec empire faction's assets), you are beyond help and even popups won't help you.
So by that argument, CCP should get rid of the pop up dialog box that says you are about to enter low/nulsec, and they should also get rid of the safety system as well. Things that might seem obvious to bittervets with this how the game works, doesn't always click with newbros, especially since missions are usually the first or second thing most people do in the game (Mining usually ahead of missions).
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Hopelesshobo
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Posted - 2015.12.17 02:35:59 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Considering that most people just click "Don't Show Again", it could very well go away. vOv
That's why I threw out there to simply add in a dialog box for when you approach the -2.00 and -5.00 mark because for the bitter vets, you click do not show again, but for the newbro, it gets them to ask why this dialog box popped up and to utilize the 3rd party sites to get a more detailed explanation.
Plus it would probably take 5 minutes to add each dialog box, its not like it would take up alot of dev time.
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Hopelesshobo
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Posted - 2015.12.17 05:26:04 -
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Paul Pohl wrote:
No it doesn't
Getting shot by the faction might get them to look at 3rd party sites
either it's a sandbox or it's not - you can't go into x faction space? make another plan
or grind out the missions with the faction to make it so you can - if it is so important that you have to go into their space
So the solution is to let the newbros screw themselves over without knowing, and to realize how long it will take to correct their mistake, and decide its not worth it and go play something else?
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Hopelesshobo
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Posted - 2015.12.18 18:01:03 -
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Andrew Indy wrote:
What about derived standings? Its not overly intuitive for newbs. Throw Gasoline on Bob and suddenly you are friends with Jill and enemies with Jim and unless you drill down into each faction and agent its not stated in the mission at all.
Also I'm pretty sure CPP has said that the don't like people having to leave the client to get information, that's why they are looking at integrating EFT functionality into eve.
A potential here could be to change the standings portion of it in the info window of the factions to a percent factor instead of seeing
Amarr Empire > Caldari State +5.00
change it to
Amarr Empire > Caldari State +50%
It would probably make it a bit more sense when you first look at it to see that if I gain 1% standings with the Amarr, I should gain 0.5% standings with the Caldari.
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Hopelesshobo
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Posted - 2015.12.19 09:01:29 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:
If it were difficult to find the information, I might agree with you. However, it's rather simple to locate the information, and failing to do so, rather easy to remedy the consequences of not knowing.
Your analogy of a mason is rather misleading in this instance. A better analogy would be obtaining a university degree. Yes, you are provided some information, but you are still required to study, research, and learn on your own.
Easy for who? For us, the people who have been playing the game for years? Or to the guy that is still on a trial account and still looks for the undock button every time he tries to undock?
So you are against adding at a minimum, of 2 dialog boxes when someone hits -2.00 and -5.00 standings warning them that if they continue running missions against this faction, bad things will happen. You see, the game should have the most basic information about the game, in the game itself as you experience something new. If you want detailed information, at that point you should have to go to a website.
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Hopelesshobo
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Posted - 2015.12.19 09:16:53 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:
First off, a -2.0 standing with a faction is irrelevant. A -2.0 security status has penalties, but standins with a corp are meaningless at this stage.
Secondly, by the time a "new player" reaches -5.0 standing with any faction, they should know that most information for the game is provided out of game. It takes a while to drop to -5.0 standing unless you're involved in FW, so your imaginary trial account player simply doesn't need the warning.
-2.00 factions standings means you cannot do anything more then level 1 missions for that faction. And do you think there are not new players that basically stumble into FW?
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