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Linda Lips	Posted - 2007.01.16 03:00:00 - [1] Ive been playing for nearly a year now and i rarely see any Minmatar ships flying around. I must have seen less than 25 overall. Are there really so few of us? If so, why?!?!!
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.16 03:03:00 - [2] Where do you live? When I was down in the southern 0.0, there were no shortage of Minnys. They were the pirating ship of choice, and popular at fleet battles to boot. -----------------------------------------------
Dao 2 Generals Of Destruction Syndicate X-PACT	Posted - 2007.01.16 03:13:00 - [3] if u live in empire ull see fewer if u live in .0 ull see a fair number ;p theyre not awesome pve ships because they have crap for tank but theyre fair pvp ;) ------------------------------------------------ NEWLY ADDED ON 1/19 (though applies to all posts before ;p) the usual "I don't represent my corp or alliance" and stuffs like that Also the gal
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.01.16 03:14:00 - [4] they are around but u need more advanced skils to make em uber
Daelmon	Posted - 2007.01.16 03:16:00 - [5] When I first started I noticed the same thing, and it is mostly because Caldari make up 90% of the player base because of their stats and good PvE ships. Once I said screw empire (which I advise every new player to do, find a corporation in an alliance that lives in 0.0 space) and left for 0.0 never to return except for skillbooks, it really doesn't matter how few Minmatar their is, and really, I think it is about even, or at least a lot closer to even, population wise out in 0.0. It is mostly newbs and carebears in empire, and it makes sense they all want to be part of the Caldari zerg.
Ghost Writer	Posted - 2007.01.16 03:24:00 - [6] Originally by: Daelmon When I first started I noticed the same thing, and it is mostly because Caldari make up 90% of the player base because of their stats and good PvE ships. I beg to disagree, Caldari and Gallante make up the largest percentages of the player base due to the EASE of play for either race. Thier ships require little in the way of managment and thus are the easiest to fly, the typical give me an easy kill player flocks to them. Amarr and Minmatar ships require the most investment in play time and learning to be effective.
Sovy Kurosei Amarr Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.16 03:30:00 - [7] Gallente has almost as many turret and armor tanking ships as Amarr. I don't know how they are the easier race to play. ___________________
Anatolius Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.16 03:33:00 - [8] Edited by: Anatolius on 16/01/2007 03:30:50 When it's all said and done, Caldari were the first race listed for awhile, possibly still are. That makes a huge difference. World of Borecraft and all are different. You can easily say, "I want to be an elf in frilly magic pantaloons!" or "I want to be like Peter Jackson and ruin dwarves!" So you click on your frilly magic pantaloons wearing elf, or your they turned Gimli into nothing but cheap comic relief dwarf, and off you go. There's no overdone, generic standards for the EVE races, however. (At least, not as far as the general, new-to-EVE public is aware of.) Thus, people don't know one race from the other and just click on the first one. That's my conspiracy theory, and I'm sticking to it. It's all a vile plot manufactured by some CCP dev whose industrial alt sells Ravens. nods "If God be for us, whom can be against us?"
Louis DelaBlanche Cosmic Odyssey Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.16 03:38:00 - [9] I fly minmatar ships...well, their frigates anyway. I think they kick ass n dont need that much investment in skills to use at least 1/2 decently. But I think a large number of players, at least those without 2 or more accounts, see Amarr & Minmatar as being too difficult with low sp to fly as effectively as Gallente & Caldari. Maybe this has changed now new characters start with 800kish sp? Id dunno. Ill tell u one thing though. I only chose Gallente coz their the democratic "good guys" of EVE . Same reason i started with a base Charisma of 15
SonOTassadar The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc. Brutally Clever Empire	Posted - 2007.01.16 03:44:00 - [10] For all you guys tearing apart Caldari: there was a thread several months back asking people why they specifically chose Caldari, to which almost everyone said either "I like their lore" or "The way they look" or both. I'm one of those people. I knew **** all about shield or armour tanking, using missiles or hybrids, drones, ECM, EW in general, or even what their ships looked like -- they had a cool civilization and they look good in uniform. That's about it. ----- Griffin -- 100,000 ISK ECM - Multispectral Jammer Is -- 20,000 ISK Standar Missile Launcher Is -- 10,000 ISK War target sobbing over losing a fight in his T2 fitted Battleship -- priceless

Voculus E X O D U S Imperial Republic Of the North	Posted - 2007.01.16 03:52:00 - [11] Originally by: Sovy Kurosei Gallente has almost as many turret and armor tanking ships as Amarr. I don't know how they are the easier race to play. The Dominix comes to mind. _________________________________________________________
Specops Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.16 03:53:00 - [12] Originally by: SonOTassadar For all you guys tearing apart Caldari: there was a thread several months back asking people why they specifically chose Caldari, to which almost everyone said either "I like their lore" or "The way they look" or both. I'm one of those people. I knew **** all about shield or armour tanking, using missiles or hybrids, drones, ECM, EW in general, or even what their ships looked like -- they had a cool civilization and they look good in uniform. That's about it. QFT ~Specops~
hangnoose Caldari DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.16 03:54:00 - [13] Go live in AAA space. 90% of them fly minnie ships in PVP combat. I bet any money they were the reason for the HP boost... they made normal Alpha Strike, turn into some angry god like thingie.
Kate Nexus	Posted - 2007.01.16 05:01:00 - [14] in empire caldari is flown because of missions. it has to do with being able to fight all npc factions. amarr is better at kicking sansha butt but caldari is middle of the line so they can go up against more resist types. for rat hunting you can always go to space where its the rat you are best at fighting but for missions its random so with a megathron or an apoc you could be stuck fighting a rat type with very high resists to you. i dont think it needs balance though because in pvp its fine. also you can own many ships and fly them for the mission types. a lot of people dont but you could fly a hyperion (spelling?) for serpentis, apoc or geddon for sansha and bloods, raven for guiristas, and tempest or typhoon for angels. if you think about EM dealing ships raven really isnt the best ship. its just average when fit right. amarr can out perform raven in that because of armor tanking = high EM resist, more room for damage mods, and does EM damage and more DPS. so sansha missions? forgetaboutit! id take an amarr ship for that any day!
Kate Nexus	Posted - 2007.01.16 05:03:00 - [15] Originally by: hangnoose I bet any money they were the reason for the HP boost... they made normal Alpha Strike, turn into some angry god like thingie. nope alpha strike was buffed with the hp raise
Kovid Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.16 06:16:00 - [16] Originally by: hangnoose Go live in AAA space. 90% of them fly minnie ships in PVP combat. Get the guy killed why don't you? He'll get killed the moment he sees one. "Ah there are the Matar ships." Pop.
Seine State War Academy	Posted - 2007.01.16 06:56:00 - [17] The reason you don't see many minnie pilots in high sec is that is takes such an inventment to make then good. I have been flying min ships for over a year and have 3mill in gunnery and thats only 2/3 of the skills I REALLY want. Cyclone is great for level 3/4 missions, can't think of any other weapon system/setup that can get 550 wrecking shots with medium guns and T1 ammo. on a Battleship (not a hull shot either :)
Thor Xian Vertigo One E.A.R.T.H. Federation	Posted - 2007.01.16 07:19:00 - [18] I chose my race based on stats mainly...Achura males are definately not lookers, though I think I did okay. I fly Amarr ships however. ~Thor Xian, Material Defender "For all your Material Needs, Vertigo One." Corp/Alliance Services
Dearwin Gallente Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.01.16 07:30:00 - [19] I think the answer is more simply based on the character descriptions, and how little is divulged on actual gameplay at the character creation stand point. I remember being at the character selection screen when I first got ahold of the trial. I was fresh of my half decade EQ stint, didnt know much about EvE other than it was a space MMO that people in my old Homeworld group loved. I read the description of Minmmatar which at the time was simply "Blah Blah highly physical aggressive people Blah Blah" and immedietly was turned off. If I had known more about the actual story of Matari or known more about their actual in game play style, I probably would have chosen them. So in short, the character creation back then for new players was severly lacking in detail about actual gameplay, and it still is, and I think thats why you dont see many Minmatar around relative to the other races.
Dust Angel Harvest System Eden's Fire	Posted - 2007.01.16 07:42:00 - [20] I blame the MGRL mirel yirrin > "DU HAST VERBROKEN DAS FORUMERN RULEN! DU SWINE!"

Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.01.16 07:57:00 - [21] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 16/01/2007 07:59:34 Originally by: Kate Nexus Originally by: hangnoose I bet any money they were the reason for the HP boost... they made normal Alpha Strike, turn into some angry god like thingie. nope alpha strike was buffed with the hp raise No, 5% extra rate of fire I think. The hitpoint increase was 25-50% I believe, depending on ship. Hmm.... I still fly minnie though. They are fun. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune

Ivan Kirilenkov Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.01.16 08:39:00 - [22] You see less Minmatar than others because The Caldari State(TM) is marching against it's victory! eve-crc.net \| forum rules

BaldyBob Minmatar Dark Knights Inc	Posted - 2007.01.16 09:03:00 - [23] I've seen a few posts in this thread about how Minny ships are no good in PvE. I'm wondering why people are stating this as the case ? My reason for asking is that I fly a Tempest and can tank all NPC factions on Level 4 missions with little or no problems.
Daelmon Resurrection	Posted - 2007.01.16 09:09:00 - [24] Originally by: BaldyBob I've seen a few posts in this thread about how Minny ships are no good in PvE. I'm wondering why people are stating this as the case ? My reason for asking is that I fly a Tempest and can tank all NPC factions on Level 4 missions with little or no problems. And you have 40 million skill points?
DarkFenix Caldari Pilots From Honour	Posted - 2007.01.16 09:12:00 - [25] My initial character is Caldari because I like their lore, and I like the equipment their ships are designed to use (ie. EW, torps, long range guns, shields). My alt turned out Caldari in the end as well, because Achura have such frickin good stats.
Mephesto Nizal	Posted - 2007.01.16 11:44:00 - [26] Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov You see less Minmatar than others because The Caldari State(TM) is marching against it's victory! and the rest of the minmatar are still enslaved
Mephesto Nizal	Posted - 2007.01.16 11:44:00 - [27] Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov You see less Minmatar than others because The Caldari State(TM) is marching against it's victory! and the rest of the minmatar are still enslaved
Amiable Quinn Minmatar Lasleinur Production Fimbulwinter	Posted - 2007.01.16 12:13:00 - [28] Minimatar are very skill intensive because of the diversity of ship types and even within ship types. To really fly all Minimatar ships effectively you need: Armor Tanking skills Shield Tanking skills Gunnery skills (especially high AWU) Missile skills Drone skills Miscellaneous e-war skills To fly Caldari effectively you need: Shield tanking skills Missile skills When you trian Minimatar there is a great temptation to cross train another race because you can hop into their ships with our skills and be effective quicker.
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2007.01.16 12:22:00 - [29] Edited by: Kehmor on 16/01/2007 12:18:17 Originally by: Amiable Quinn To fly Caldari effectively you need: Shield tanking skills Missile skills that is such crap. To fly some caldari ships you just need shield tanking and missile skills. But that won't get you very far in a rohk. Ok so you just need Shield, Missile, and Gunnery skills. But what about my falcon? I armor tank it. Oh ya, that also requires Ewar skills, and lots of. Ok so I only need Missiles, shields, gunnery, armor, and ewar. Wait, caldari ships don't have drone bays anymore? So the 180 dps my raven gets from 3 ogre II's must not exist. To fly all the ships of any race well you need a whole range of skills. Minmatar have more varied ships than any but hey, i have a whole range of skills and still can't tackle in my caldari ships. So quit your whining
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.01.16 12:32:00 - [30] Edited by: Plutoinum on 16/01/2007 12:29:35 Originally by: Kehmor Edited by: Kehmor on 16/01/2007 12:18:17 Originally by: Amiable Quinn To fly Caldari effectively you need: Shield tanking skills Missile skills that is such crap. To fly some caldari ships you just need shield tanking and missile skills. But that won't get you very far in a rohk. Ok so you just need Shield, Missile, and Gunnery skills. But what about my falcon? I armor tank it. Oh ya, that also requires Ewar skills, and lots of. Ok so I only need Missiles, shields, gunnery, armor, and ewar. Wait, caldari ships don't have drone bays anymore? So the 180 dps my raven gets from 3 ogre II's must not exist. To fly all the ships of any race well you need a whole range of skills. Minmatar have more varied ships than any but hey, i have a whole range of skills and still can't tackle in my caldari ships. So quit your whining Maybe he was more talking about PvE. Then missiles and shieldtank is really all you need imho. If you want to use all Caldari ships in pvp with all interesting fittings that come into your mind, then that's also a lot of skills ofc. If you PvE in minnie ships from day one with frig, destroyer, cruiser, BC, BS ... then you train turrets, missiles, armor and shield tanking skills already for pve'ing as a newbie.

Lysit Kaune Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.16 12:37:00 - [31] I choose minmatar because I liked the back story, though as of the last few weeks I dropped my Cyclone for a drake and haven't looked back (Though might get a myrrdion or however its spelt as well).
Freaky Bare Minmatar Blueprint Haus	Posted - 2007.01.16 12:45:00 - [32] I guess I just don't see Eve as a min/max kind of game. I chose Minnie's after several trial runs (with trial accts) because they are FUN to fly! I loved the look of a Rifter. It looks exactly like it flys. I now fly a Cyclone and a Jaguar for PVP. Both awesome ships that look great as well. Minnie's have a certain design philosophy. If you think you would like them - use them. I don't think they are the 'best' ships to fly in most situations, but they are rarely the 'worst' either. I am not an Alt, I am punctuation.
Freaky Bare Minmatar Blueprint Haus	Posted - 2007.01.16 12:45:00 - [33] I guess I just don't see Eve as a min/max kind of game. I chose Minnie's after several trial runs (with trial accts) because they are FUN to fly! I loved the look of a Rifter. It looks exactly like it flys. I now fly a Cyclone and a Jaguar for PVP. Both awesome ships that look great as well. Minnie's have a certain design philosophy. If you think you would like them - use them. I don't think they are the 'best' ships to fly in most situations, but they are rarely the 'worst' either. I am not an Alt, I am punctuation.
Snake Jankins Minmatar Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.01.16 12:51:00 - [34] Edited by: Snake Jankins on 16/01/2007 12:47:24 Originally by: Freaky Bare I guess I just don't see Eve as a min/max kind of game. I chose Minnie's after several trial runs (with trial accts) because they are FUN to fly! I loved the look of a Rifter. It looks exactly like it flys. I now fly a Cyclone and a Jaguar for PVP. Both awesome ships that look great as well. Minnie's have a certain design philosophy. If you think you would like them - use them. I don't think they are the 'best' ships to fly in most situations, but they are rarely the 'worst' either. Yes, agree, picked that race in my first trial, loved already the rifter and when I came back to eve I wanted that again. Then I've got another minnie and then I made a female minnie for a change. ___________ 'Only ships can be assembled, this is a Frigate.'
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.16 12:51:00 - [35] There are two reasons actually. First since you're "born" with certain racial ship piloting skills Caldari are the majority. But who wants to be a slave? Thus so few Minnie ships. Secondly and perhaps most critical its supply and demand. Not for ships but for duct tape. A shortage of duct tape has caused the decline in Minnie ship numbers! Archie PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Snake Jankins Minmatar Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.01.16 12:51:00 - [36] Edited by: Snake Jankins on 16/01/2007 12:47:24 Originally by: Freaky Bare I guess I just don't see Eve as a min/max kind of game. I chose Minnie's after several trial runs (with trial accts) because they are FUN to fly! I loved the look of a Rifter. It looks exactly like it flys. I now fly a Cyclone and a Jaguar for PVP. Both awesome ships that look great as well. Minnie's have a certain design philosophy. If you think you would like them - use them. I don't think they are the 'best' ships to fly in most situations, but they are rarely the 'worst' either. Yes, agree, picked that race in my first trial, loved already the rifter and when I came back to eve I wanted that again. Then I've got another minnie and then I made a female minnie for a change. ___________ 'Only ships can be assembled, this is a Frigate.'
Archbishop Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.16 12:51:00 - [37] There are two reasons actually. First since you're "born" with certain racial ship piloting skills Caldari are the majority. But who wants to be a slave? Thus so few Minnie ships. Secondly and perhaps most critical its supply and demand. Not for ships but for duct tape. A shortage of duct tape has caused the decline in Minnie ship numbers! Archie PIE WEBSITE & FORUMS PIE INFORMATION CENTER
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.16 12:54:00 - [38] There are more Gallente and Minmatar because the girls in teh pictures on race selection are HOTTER! Just because of that! If brute force doesn't solve your problem.. then you are not using enough!!
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.16 12:54:00 - [39] There are more Gallente and Minmatar because the girls in teh pictures on race selection are HOTTER! Just because of that! If brute force doesn't solve your problem.. then you are not using enough!!
Fullerton Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.16 13:04:00 - [40] Originally by: Amiable Quinn Minimatar are very skill intensive because of the diversity of ship types and even within ship types. To really fly all Minimatar ships effectively you need: Armor Tanking skills Shield Tanking skills Gunnery skills (especially high AWU) Missile skills Drone skills Miscellaneous e-war skills To fly Caldari effectively you need: Shield tanking skills Missile skills When you trian Minimatar there is a great temptation to cross train another race because you can hop into their ships with our skills and be effective quicker. Very true Minimatar are more speced to train, and if you look at the old pvpers Minimatar wins all the way, instead of lock and loading being a calderi care bare mission runner. It's great being Minmatar, ain't it?

Fullerton Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.16 13:04:00 - [41] Originally by: Amiable Quinn Minimatar are very skill intensive because of the diversity of ship types and even within ship types. To really fly all Minimatar ships effectively you need: Armor Tanking skills Shield Tanking skills Gunnery skills (especially high AWU) Missile skills Drone skills Miscellaneous e-war skills To fly Caldari effectively you need: Shield tanking skills Missile skills When you trian Minimatar there is a great temptation to cross train another race because you can hop into their ships with our skills and be effective quicker. Very true Minimatar are more speced to train, and if you look at the old pvpers Minimatar wins all the way, instead of lock and loading being a calderi care bare mission runner. It's great being Minmatar, ain't it?
Linda Lips	Posted - 2007.01.17 03:31:00 - [42] Nice to know there are more Minmatar out there than i first suspected Ive been in empire too long. I see what people mean about needing a large cross section of skills..... I still have a long ways to go to be proficient with all the ships.
Letouk Mernel	Posted - 2007.01.17 03:57:00 - [43] Well, for PVP'ers or people who come to the game just to shoot things up, all races are equal if you're a newbie and don't really know much about the game. However, if you're looking for an elite-style trading and industry type of game (and you're a newbie and don't know much about the game), I don't know how many would want to bother with the whole Minmatar-Amarr thing, so I guess the neutral-sounding Caldari and Gallente get picked. Suppose you're minding your own business when suddenly someone you don't know opens a chat window and calls you a slave; clearly they want to RP, and you don't want to break their immersion or whatever, but how can you take up arms if you're a mining, newbie char? I guess most people who are looking to PVP will pick a Minmatar, but look at the Empire population vs. the lowsec or 0.0 population... just how many people are looking to PVP in this game? Most would rather avoid it, and that includes not picking a race where you can be taunted / goaded into PVP by roleplayed remarks.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.17 04:08:00 - [44] Originally by: Voculus Originally by: Sovy Kurosei Gallente has almost as many turret and armor tanking ships as Amarr. I don't know how they are the easier race to play. The Dominix comes to mind. Dominix is rubbish at PvE- drone shipps struggle with all missions, as Drones don't agro sensibly. some missions are just impossible in a drone ship. They have their moments in PvP (Nos domi comes to mind) but they can't do everything (one of the worst sniping ships in the game). While its true Nos domis are a bit of a corker, I'd hardly call it playing on easy mode. -----------------------------------------------
Lydisa Ekmar Amarr	Posted - 2007.01.17 07:08:00 - [45] Many of the Minmater are still enslaved I personally don't like the design of the Minmatar ships. Steering a junk pile into battle was not my idea of a good time. But, that is just me. I personally chose the Amarr for RP elements and those wicked armored monsters w/ laser vision.
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.01.17 07:12:00 - [46] the jove are coming the jove are coming ( one day anyway)
Lydisa Ekmar Amarr	Posted - 2007.01.17 07:15:00 - [47] ^^^ Yah which will ruin their mysterious Uberness IMO.
Hilabana Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.17 08:10:00 - [48] Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov You see less Minmatar than others because The Caldari State(TM) is marching against it's victory! I do not think that is true . Its just that many of us minmatar are hermits and try to keep to our self. we are all over eve doing all type of things.
hotgirl933	Posted - 2007.01.17 08:11:00 - [49] Originally by: Hilabana Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov You see less Minmatar than others because The Caldari State(TM) is marching against it's victory! I do not think that is true . Its just that many of us minmatar are hermits and try to keep to our self. we are all over eve doing all type of things. good point
Hilabana Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.17 08:12:00 - [50] Originally by: Linda Lips Ive been playing for nearly a year now and i rarely see any Minmatar ships flying around. I must have seen less than 25 overall. Are there really so few of us? If so, why?!?!! log in to the minmatar empire chat we like our minmatar sisters and brothers to drop in and chat.

Hilabana Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.17 08:16:00 - [51] Originally by: Archbishop There are two reasons actually. First since you're "born" with certain racial ship piloting skills Caldari are the majority. But who wants to be a slave? Thus so few Minnie ships. Secondly and perhaps most critical its supply and demand. Not for ships but for duct tape. A shortage of duct tape has caused the decline in Minnie ship numbers! Archie Watch it you silly Amarr PIE Inc. Do not forget how a group of people Rob your belts and got your PIE Inc. smack talking other corps and fighting for your corp to find out in the end it was Hilabana that had your Belts rob and got you so up set lol
Toramp	Posted - 2007.01.17 08:18:00 - [52] Me minny :) just started this char main I cald though 3 years old I chose Cald after reading all the backstorys they sounded so cool :)
Teinyhr Minmatar United Systems Navy	Posted - 2007.01.17 09:29:00 - [53] Another Matar reporting for duty o/ I've been playing Minmatar for roughly about a year now, and partly because of it I'm a jack-of-all-trades.. For now. I chose the race because I liked the feeling of being an "underdog of the galaxy", because I figured, if Matar is as crappy as it sounds, I'd be more respected if I was good with it. And yes it's true, Minmatar doesn't sound very appealing in the character creation screen. But in Minmatar space (For example regions Heimatar, Molden Heath, Metropolis) there are lots of Minnies around - not all fly Minnie ships all the time. But looking at the local chat window, ah, it feels so like home with a few ugly Amarrians here and there chanting pages of Pax Amarria. ------------------- Originally by: Smagd Besides, specialization is for insects.
RuleoftheBone Minmatar UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.17 10:16:00 - [54] Brutor and proud baby--hear me ROAR Seriously though-it takes time to really get a Minmatar to shine. At over 5 months in-game the versatility is really starting to pay excellent dividends in terms of surviving and sheer fun And being thought of as an underdog is kinda cool too. As for the OP: Not sure where you have been flying to only see 25 Minmatar ships in a year. Flavors of the month come and go...maybe you need to travel a bit more
Venkul Mul Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.17 10:25:00 - [55] Edited by: Venkul Mul on 17/01/2007 10:27:11 Originally by: Voculus Originally by: Sovy Kurosei Gallente has almost as many turret and armor tanking ships as Amarr. I don't know how they are the easier race to play. The Dominix comes to mind. You have a vague idea of the million Sp in bugged drones you need to make a Dominix perform? As a character choice: first one Gallente, as they are the democratic one (general description, a bid of dubt after the election ) second: Achur (Caldari), liked the look third: Minmatar (I needed a specific R&D corporation) So I think that at first the choice is based on background and look, lather on play mechanics. It would be interesting to know the ratio of character retention, i.e. how much of the first character used in play then become the main or one of the main character used, and how many are substituted by more play effective characters.
Arthe Xavier	Posted - 2007.01.17 10:38:00 - [56] Another Minmatar enters the thread I chose the race due to its harsh past - I like the idea that my character has had a really rough time. He is coming to terms with his past actions, and is starting life from a fresh plate in a newly-bought Rifter. And yes, brothers and sisters, in a way we are the underdogs of the galaxy, and that is a big plus as far as I am concerned. We haven't been spoon-fed, you know. ;)
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.01.17 10:39:00 - [57] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 17/01/2007 10:37:06 I still think minnie is exactly what everybody told me when I first started playing: a real challenge where player skill is more important than the ship itself. I used to obsess about dps numbers compared to the other races, but eventually you realize that it doesnt matter. If you dont get hit, tanking doesnt matter, and if you hit them, their tanking will fail in the end. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune
Radioactive Babe	Posted - 2007.01.17 11:01:00 - [58] OP playing in Kisogo or somewhere? My main is Gallente and after a while used some Caldari ships to npc in ... and now I find with just a few days training ship and gun skills I can hop into a minnie ship and be decent enough. One of the main attractions of this is that a lot of Minnie ships are cheep cheep cheep (not Jag/Vaga ofc) ...
Luke Pubcrawler	Posted - 2007.01.17 12:57:00 - [59] Although Gallente my main ships these days are Minmatar. I fly the odd Amarr and run Empire missions in Caldari when I have to, but my day to day ships are all Minny. My character started as Gallente as that was what my friends were and not really understanding how the universe worked we stuck together. However I never really cared for the goody goody backstory, the lumpy, ugly green ships, or in my early mission running days for Blasters. so I started experimenting with other races. Caldari were a no brainer for missioning, but Minmatar and Amarr where more fun. Now I rat happily in my Typhoon and have my Hurricane sitting ready for PvP. In 0.0 minny ships are far from rare - in drone country where I am at the minute they are maybe the single most common race.
Iyanah Minmatar Mining Munitions and Mayhem	Posted - 2007.01.17 13:13:00 - [60] Originally by: Dao 2 if u live in empire ull see fewer if u live in .0 ull see a fair number ;p theyre not awesome pve ships because they have crap for tank but theyre fair pvp ;) i dunno about that, they cyclone can tank for ages. not as good as the drake, mind you. there's an abundance of minmatar ships in the minmatar regions of empire. ships of choice tend to be: mammoth Cyclone Tempest Rifter and the tech 2 variants where applicable. the rest of the minmatar ships are about, thrasher is reasonably popular, for example, but those 4 are the most frequently seen. ========================================== Iy

Ryoji Tanakama Caldari Daikoku Fleet Shipyards	Posted - 2007.01.17 13:50:00 - [61] Edited by: Ryoji Tanakama on 17/01/2007 13:51:30 I think its just the fact that the 'avatar heads' for Caldari and Gallente (males for certain but to an extent females too) look a lot better than the old wrinkly Amarr and the somewhat thuggish, weather-worn Minmatar. I picked Caldari cus I liked the way my head turned out (after toying with all the races and bloodlines). I specialise in shield tanking, can fit an excellent tech 2 armour tank too and have far more SP in gunnery than missiles despite using a raven for mission running for months and months. I should point out though that one of my goals is to fly all tech 1 ships for each race with the exception of industrials; simply because I like the variety and the difference in playstyle. Amarr ships, particularly the Abaddon (with support) and the Apocalypse (with an old-style dual-repper perma-tank) are still absolutely awesome for missions. Minmatar are a lot trickier to master, but this is 50% player ability and 50% character skills. In the end though, the minmatar flexibility and diversity is their biggest strength.
Jet Collins Dynamic Endeavors	Posted - 2007.01.17 13:52:00 - [62] Because it takes work to be a good minmatar pilot. Its not all F1-F8 and train just these skills and you are good. Minmatar pilots have to think Dynamic Endeavors is now Recuiting.!! Contact me in game for deatails about the corp. Mostly a PvE corp, with Jump clones avaiale in Empire and 0.0.
Thalist Kahn	Posted - 2007.01.17 13:59:00 - [63] Edited by: Thalist Kahn on 17/01/2007 13:57:35 Edited by: Thalist Kahn on 17/01/2007 13:57:06 erm, not many minnie ships? 0.0 pirates love them, sepecially the nanophoon minmatar ships used to be the gods of small-scale PvP (and the tempest was good for fleets), the trade off being that they need a large amount of skill specialisation to be truly effecive. for example, a raven can be flown reasonably well (for PvE at least) with about 4-5mil SP, whereas a minnie ship like the typhoon needs about 7-9mil SP to be respectable, and 12+ to be truly good there is also the entertainment value to consider. with a raven all you do is lock, F1-F7, kill, repeat over and over. With minnie ships you need to actually maneuver and use speed and cunning to be truly effective (at least, until the whiners get nanos nerfed aswell). Minnie ships may not be as efficient or as accessible, but the "fun" quotient goes through the roof (rifter is a prime example of this, magnificent ship)
50freefly Caldari Purify	Posted - 2007.01.17 14:00:00 - [64] Edited by: 50freefly on 17/01/2007 14:03:54 Edited by: 50freefly on 17/01/2007 14:01:23 I put a LOT of thought into choosing my race and in the end picked Caldari because at the time I wanted to be a trader (I honestly have no idea what I was doing, I know I wasn't drunk so...) and Caldari backstory and Deteis stats suited that profession, and looked cool to boot. However, I ended up being a combat pilot that flies Gallente blaster ships (Because they are so much fun), so... If I had to do it again I am not sure what I'd pick, though it likely would not be Achura, just because I couldn't stand playing such an ugly bloodline (I'm an RPer). Wish it would have occured to me to pick a good RP name... Although I have found a way to make this name work... (Callsigns ftw =)) If the mysterious ! race had been selectable when I created my character I almost certainly would have chosen that instead, with such a rich backstory it's hard to resist... "In the beginning of time, there was a portrait generating machine. However, people whined and the machine got taken away. Now the people all look like big !'s. Everyone accused them of being noobs, and they were, because no ! could have played the game long enough to know anything!" But anyways I've found that I'm Matari at heart, as are most people in my corp... Anyways try coming to Metropolis lots of Matari ships here... Originally by: Eight Ace For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right. And they never meet.
Matevainat terra firma team	Posted - 2007.01.17 14:03:00 - [65] Edited by: Matevainat on 17/01/2007 14:00:20 Edited by: Matevainat on 17/01/2007 13:59:40 oops, alt-post above puts on a dunce cap and stands in the corner this is Matevainat here, not thalist khan
Mikal Drey	Posted - 2007.01.17 14:06:00 - [66] Originally by: Ivan Kirilenkov You see less Minmatar than others because The Caldari State(TM) is marching against it's victory! We SHALL overcome. our ships arent as advanced as others but years of living under Caldari and Amarian slave masters have given us the knowledge of weaponry and ship systems of yours and our own knowlegde of gunpowder and afterburner technology make our ships fully equipped. Live in the "state" or in the stink of the "empire" and you shall not see us. come to Matari Space and feel the full force of our awesome power. I shall fly the flag of our forefathers
SerialTurd	Posted - 2007.01.17 14:29:00 - [67] I choose gallente because of their lore. I viewed caldari in the same light as teh emipre from star wars. I did not want to be amarr cause they are religious fanatics and I didn't want to be minmatar because they were slaves. The idea of gallente being the only true democratic society was very appealing.
sableye principle of motion Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.17 14:36:00 - [68] Edited by: sableye on 17/01/2007 14:33:31 Originally by: Ghost Writer Originally by: Daelmon When I first started I noticed the same thing, and it is mostly because Caldari make up 90% of the player base because of their stats and good PvE ships. I beg to disagree, Caldari and Gallante make up the largest percentages of the player base due to the EASE of play for either race. Thier ships require little in the way of managment and thus are the easiest to fly, the typical give me an easy kill player flocks to them. Amarr and Minmatar ships require the most investment in play time and learning to be effective. gallente ships actually require alot of skill to fly, but anyway this is not reason most pick them the main reasons are they look kinda normal and there descriptions which don'nt make them sound like a slave or a salver I mean not many want to pick that option. Join The Fight With Promo Today
DeckardIRL Bravehearts Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.17 14:41:00 - [69] Originally by: SerialTurd I choose gallente because of their lore. I viewed caldari in the same light as teh emipre from star wars. I did not want to be amarr cause they are religious fanatics and I didn't want to be minmatar because they were slaves. The idea of gallente being the only true democratic society was very appealing. Same here... But as far as ships are concerned it peeps preference. I fly a Raven for all PvE work and the odd gang pvp op... but pvp I use gallente. There is no shortage of peeps in Tempests and Vagabonds that aren't Mimmatar. Temp is a piewats favourite and nanoTemps are flavour of the day atm... Deck _____________________________________________ Watchin' the Game.... Havin' a Bud.... I shoot better on Bud..... Eve Info- All you need to know
Zar Dim Minmatar Anus Horriblis	Posted - 2007.01.17 14:44:00 - [70] I had 2 chars - Minmatar and Amarr. They are very well defined one are feudal maniacs and another is space underdogs, i like that. In the end i decided that Minmatars are more cool and dropped amarr char. Still i selected both of my characters for RP reasons. As for mini ships they are good but do require a lot of SP. So in the end i crosstrained in caldari too, so now i use one for PVP and another for missions. Tbh if you are good with mini ships you are good with anything.

Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.01.17 14:51:00 - [71] Minnie is the anti-hero of Eve, and I always pick those in all games. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.01.17 15:02:00 - [72] You probably just don't notice them. Sometime's it's hard to tell their ships apart from wreckage and debris
holla alt	Posted - 2007.01.17 15:19:00 - [73] why minmatar? hands up the other races that fire shells the size of small cars at stuff... /me looks around and notices no hands If you're like me and enjoy the warm fuzzy feeling of outrageous calibre weaponry: say yes to minmatar
arutha Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.17 15:21:00 - [74] minmater rule tbh im always jealous off the minmater bs pilots firing 8 howis at a target . say a cruiser and see it insta poping =p (maelstorm) .caldari and the raven will allways be first choice for pve and lets face it theres more mission runners in the game than pure pvp pilots . ooo dont make looks deceive im amarr spec mostly . its the noise tachies make when fired lol . love it if i had the choice again though id love to go minmater .
Shinji Seto Minmatar Umbra Congregatio Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.17 15:24:00 - [75] I fly Minmatar because duct tape is much cheaper than paying mechanics. "Outlaw" This was the name given to those who roam the universe with only his freedom as his guide.
6Bagheera9 Shadows of the Dead Aftermath Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.17 15:52:00 - [76] Originally by: Kagura Nikon There are more Gallente and Minmatar because the girls in teh pictures on race selection are HOTTER! Just because of that! I actually picked Minmatar specifically because the Brutor chick was smoking hot. Since then I have grown to love Matari ships more and more. They require more SP and player skill to use effectively, but once you have that you can do more than any other race. My PvP BS of choice is the Typhoon, its the most SP and player skill intensive non-cap ship in the game but is maddeningly tough opponent in the hands of a skilled pilot. It can do the Nano thing better than anyone or tank with the best of them. It also has 3 different weapons systems (making it neigh impossible to completely disable with EW) and 4 mid-slots to play with. One final little known factoid is that its sig. radius of 320m cuts all torp damage by 20% (can you hear the Ravens crying yet?). Come out to 0.0 space, where the PvP vets live, and you'll see far more Matari ships. P.S. The lagg out here is also much severe and reason enough to move.
Father Weebles Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.17 15:53:00 - [77] Originally by: Xelios You probably just don't notice them. Sometime's it's hard to tell their ships apart from wreckage and debris lolol I started Caldari, trained Gallente shortly, now going Minie...autocannons roxor "Welcome to EVE, where inflation is out of control."
Damion Zyne Queens of the Stone Age Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.17 16:50:00 - [78] Take off your aviators.
XerZex Minmatar Puppets on Steroids Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.17 17:01:00 - [79] uhm, i chose minmatar cos I saw a vagabond in a video, and thought it was hawwwwwt ;) oh and the wolf :) hehe
pulse1976 Minmatar FarCry Inc Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.17 17:46:00 - [80] Minmatar ships ftw! I originally chose the Minmatar way due to the promise of guns and guns and guns. After a few weeks I then discovered that for those said guns to work I really needed to high end skills! 2years on I too am flying around in a Typhoon, after trying the Tempest, and have found it to be the best PVE ship for me. Also the love of my life, my Muninn, is currently sat in 0.0 and usually sat a little way out ready to pounce. Yes Minmatar ships require a shed load of skills but when you have the support gunnery skills in place (lvl4/5) and the specialization skills too, you are getting there. Just to finish off, I concur that Minnie ships are in abundance in 0.0, especially the likes of the Vaga, ruptures, rifters and the 'phoons. Long live Minmatar! Everyone else might as well go home!

Linda Lips	Posted - 2007.01.18 01:38:00 - [81] Originally by: pulse1976 Minmatar ships ftw! I originally chose the Minmatar way due to the promise of guns and guns and guns. After a few weeks I then discovered that for those said guns to work I really needed to high end skills! 2years on I too am flying around in a Typhoon, after trying the Tempest, and have found it to be the best PVE ship for me. Also the love of my life, my Muninn, is currently sat in 0.0 and usually sat a little way out ready to pounce. Yes Minmatar ships require a shed load of skills but when you have the support gunnery skills in place (lvl4/5) and the specialization skills too, you are getting there. Just to finish off, I concur that Minnie ships are in abundance in 0.0, especially the likes of the Vaga, ruptures, rifters and the 'phoons. Long live Minmatar! Everyone else might as well go home! Same here....only now, after 10 months of intensive training is my rupture rather dangerous in the right situations Ive been waiting till i have respectable skills before i even think about buying a bc/bs. Will get a hurricane soon...the thought of all those turrets makes me feel all warm inside.
Soporo	Posted - 2007.01.18 02:49:00 - [82] Didmt know SQUAT about EVE when I generated my charracter. Fortunately some dude who seemed to know what he was talking about told me go for high stats and KEEP CHARISMA LOW. After some looking around I ended up at Achura. (mistakingly thinking I could later change his portrait to a different Clad subrace type...silly me.) I had no clue about missiles versus lasers verses hybrids vs arty vs drones or any racial bonuses.
mazzilliu Caldari Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.01.18 07:05:00 - [83] go to minmatar space if you want to see minmatar. they are usually kept in passably good condition, and their cages are cleaned every other week or so. Don't feed them though. 1000% awesome guide to logging out
Domalais Equilibrium LLC United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2007.01.18 08:32:00 - [84] Edited by: Domalais on 18/01/2007 08:28:54 Originally by: Kehmor that is such crap. To fly some caldari ships you just need shield tanking and missile skills. But that won't get you very far in a rohk. Ok so you just need Shield, Missile, and Gunnery skills. But what about my falcon? I armor tank it. Oh ya, that also requires Ewar skills, and lots of. Ok so I only need Missiles, shields, gunnery, armor, and ewar. You're describing different ships used for different purposes which require different skills. Minmatar ships require all the skills all at the same time. As for drones and those extra 2 slots on your raven, Caldari secondary weapons (including drones) are just icing on the cake for older players and aren't strictly necessary. A young player can be useful and competitive in PvE and PvP without them. Caldari ships are focused. You can focus a character on missiles and fly kestrel, caracal, drake, raven. Ewar: Griffin, blackbird, scorpion. Railboat: merlin, moa, ferox, rohk. "Aha!" you say, "but the Merlin and Moa are mixed fits!" Yes, and that's why nobody flys them, their layouts are like Minmatar ships.
Nash Leigth Children of Azathoth Brotherhood Of Steel	Posted - 2007.01.18 22:41:00 - [85] Originally by: Linda Lips Ive been playing for nearly a year now and i rarely see any Minmatar ships flying around. I must have seen less than 25 overall. Are there really so few of us? If so, why?!?!! check out the Gallente low sec - i am sure you won't be disapppointed there ;) I picked Gallente as at the time I thought memory was one hot attribute to have because I read some guide online that said memory is required for quite a few skills. Little did I know then. I was also seriously considering Amarr at that point, but I liked the attribute distribution better on Gallente characters. Originally by: Domalais Minmatar ships require all the skills all at the same time. I assumed that Minmatar could pick between shield tanking and armor tanking their ships and go exclusively with just one kind of tank. If so, why do you need to have both skill sets simultaneously? For Gallente, it is particularly important to have strong drone skills, but they can pretty much do without having uber missile skills for a long while. Caldari and Minmatar ship pilots can, on the other hand, do without having uber drone skills. So consider that as Gallente you spend that same time trying to perfect those drone skills as Caldari and Minmatar spend on missiles. Minmatar ships have a good mix of turret and launcher hardpoints. I guess if you don't want to spread your training over missiles and guns as Minmatar, you can just stuff those launcher slots with NOS
Sm0kE	Posted - 2007.01.18 22:46:00 - [86] I just woke up from my cryo-freeze. Have we gotten a boost yet? ------------------------------------------------
Sm0kE	Posted - 2007.01.18 22:48:00 - [87] Originally by: Nash Leigth I assumed that Minmatar could pick between shield tanking and armor tanking their ships and go exclusively with just one kind of tank. If so, why do you need to have both skill sets simultaneously? For Gallente, it is particularly important to have strong drone skills, but they can pretty much do without having uber missile skills for a long while. Caldari and Minmatar ship pilots can, on the other hand, do without having uber drone skills. So consider that as Gallente you spend that same time trying to perfect those drone skills as Caldari and Minmatar spend on missiles. Minmatar ships have a good mix of turret and launcher hardpoints. I guess if you don't want to spread your training over missiles and guns as Minmatar, you can just stuff those launcher slots with NOS We all end up training most of it anyways, but it is discouraging as a young player and figuring out that the best setup for you Minmatar ship is something you haven't trained for at all. Shields? Wtf. Missiles? Meh. I happen to have torps to V, but that's because of the 2 citadels I have to put on my damn naglfar, not because I like fighting in ravens ------------------------------------------------
Anator Namon	Posted - 2007.01.18 22:54:00 - [88] Originally by: Nash Leigth Originally by: Linda Lips Ive been playing for nearly a year now and i rarely see any Minmatar ships flying around. I must have seen less than 25 overall. Are there really so few of us? If so, why?!?!! check out the Gallente low sec - i am sure you won't be disapppointed there ;) I picked Gallente as at the time I thought memory was one hot attribute to have because I read some guide online that said memory is required for quite a few skills. Little did I know then. I was also seriously considering Amarr at that point, but I liked the attribute distribution better on Gallente characters. Originally by: Domalais Minmatar ships require all the skills all at the same time. I assumed that Minmatar could pick between shield tanking and armor tanking their ships and go exclusively with just one kind of tank. If so, why do you need to have both skill sets simultaneously? For Gallente, it is particularly important to have strong drone skills, but they can pretty much do without having uber missile skills for a long while. Caldari and Minmatar ship pilots can, on the other hand, do without having uber drone skills. So consider that as Gallente you spend that same time trying to perfect those drone skills as Caldari and Minmatar spend on missiles. Minmatar ships have a good mix of turret and launcher hardpoints. I guess if you don't want to spread your training over missiles and guns as Minmatar, you can just stuff those launcher slots with NOS All depends on the ship. Some Minmatar ships need uber armor skills, some uber shield skills. All (well, almost all) need uber projectil skills. Many need Uber Drone and/or Missile skills also as Projectiles do very poor damage by themselves (generally).
Sorela Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.18 23:00:00 - [89] Honestly I've never seen so many people be so off target. 1) Everyones epeen shrinks a little when they have to fly a ship whos primary component is rust. 2) Gallente women have more clevage. 3) Artillery does not make proper pew-pew noises.
hattifnatt Gallente The Movement	Posted - 2007.01.18 23:01:00 - [90] Originally by: Sorela Honestly I've never seen so many people be so off target. 1) Everyones epeen shrinks a little when they have to fly a ship whos primary component is rust. 2) Gallente women have more clevage. 3) Artillery does not make proper pew-pew noises. Qft

Nadarius Chrome Minmatar	Posted - 2007.01.18 23:06:00 - [91] I chose Minmatar because the Gallente are decended from the French. Ewwwww... :p
Billy Sastard Amarr Zephyr Enterprises Inc. Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.01.18 23:08:00 - [92] Originally by: Linda Lips Ive been playing for nearly a year now and i rarely see any Minmatar ships flying around. I must have seen less than 25 overall. Are there really so few of us? If so, why?!?!! Caldari wins @ EVE... Didn't you get the memo? -=^=-
Johncrab Minmatar Typo Corp	Posted - 2007.01.18 23:46:00 - [93] Minmatar ftw You do need some kilss, or at least more skills than Caldari to make full use of matar ships. But imo, nothing can beat projectiles when well used, and we do got speed.
Domalais Equilibrium LLC United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2007.01.19 08:04:00 - [94] Originally by: Nash Leigth Originally by: Domalais Minmatar ships require all the skills all at the same time. I assumed that Minmatar could pick between shield tanking and armor tanking their ships and go exclusively with just one kind of tank. If so, why do you need to have both skill sets simultaneously? 1. Riddle me this - Including t2, only one Minmatar frigate shield tanks (Jaguar). None of the t1 cruisers shield tank. Of the T2 cruisers, only the Vagabond, Huginn, and Rapier can shield tank, but it goes contrary to their roles. Of all Minmatar ships, only 6 (Jaguar, Cyclone, Claymore, Sleipnir, Tempest, Maelstrom) are commonly shield tanked. And yet... our racial tank bonus is a shield boost amount bonus (Cyclone and variants, Maelstrom). So a Minmatar noob goes merrily along armor tanking until the moment he steps into a battleship or Cyclone, at which point he needs to learn an entirely new skillset to go with his new ship. That is, unless he enters a Typhoon, which requires even more skills in other ways. 2. Many Minmatar ships such as the Tempest are either armor tanked or shield tanked depending on what you're doing with it. This makes it very versatile but also skill intensive. Originally by: Nash Leigth For Gallente, it is particularly important to have strong drone skills, but they can pretty much do without having uber missile skills for a long while. Caldari and Minmatar ship pilots can, on the other hand, do without having uber drone skills. So consider that as Gallente you spend that same time trying to perfect those drone skills as Caldari and Minmatar spend on missiles. Minmatar ships have a good mix of turret and launcher hardpoints. It's more important for Minmatar to have good drone skills than any race besides Gallente, as they have the 2nd highest average drone bay capacity. And yet, not a single Minmatar ship gets a drone bonus.
Boomhaur	Posted - 2007.01.19 09:09:00 - [95] Edited by: Boomhaur on 19/01/2007 09:09:18 I'm a Mimitar, I chose to be one due to their description and stats. Sounded cool to be the "Big Stupid Idiot With A Big Gun", as I have high Preception an Will but lack in everything else. Sadly though I found out after say a month an a half, my little Rifter an Stabber still amount to crap. 2months latter, my Rifters not crap anymore, my Stabber is still crap, but I fly a decent PVE Caracal an soon Drake. An dont plan to go back to Mimitar untill I master Caldari, an Galtanee ships. (so after I master, Missiles, Gunnery, Shield/Armor tanking, Drones, Electronic War) Than the fun PVP starts with the Mimiatar ships. By the way no ones wants to steal my rust bucket of a ship called a Rifter.
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.19 10:13:00 - [96] Sorry, but minnie ships simply own. There's few minmatars because of the description. However, if you'd look at the pvp population over all and check how many of the players have crosstrained to fly minmatar ships you'd probably be amazed. They absolutely rock, both my pvp chars are of different race and both now fly mostly minmatar ships. Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist


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