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Sonne7
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2015.12.17 19:17:40 -
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I have been thinking a lot of late, why do I always get pulled back into Eve,time permitting.
For me its the people who play the game, the good, the bad and the down right smelly
This is also why I take an active part in anti-ganking, its often very hard as the game rules play on-the side of the ganker, we sometimes mess up the odd gank, jam a Cata before he can fire but most of the time end up as a side note on a concord kill mail, or I do , not that I do it for kill mails unlike the gankers. Saying that I may be wrong about the KM, my killboard makes be smile with all the code and goon alliances logos
So now you know what I like about Eve.
I know the game rules quite well but to all you Vets and armchair generals out there, how can we hurt the gankers and make it a bit harder for them. Any thoughts you have mail me in game if you don't want to reply here, I know some anti-gankers do a great job but numbers are key and i'm happy to say gankers numbers are going down from this time last year, great effort to all anti-gankers, below are my thoughts on more that can be done
War Decs don't work, very well, they just gank in alts and being -10 they can be shot at by anyone anyway.
Why reading about Rhamnousia Nemesis on minerbumping site, I came across LISA Estidal an open supporter of code and her corp The Tebo Corp, not sure weather that corp supports her actions (something to look into) but if code are ganking people and we find it hard to hurt them back and win at this elite pvp they do, maybe its time to start hunting there supporters
So if we played eve the way they play and gank their support, would we have targets?
For one all Goons would be targets and any lapdog corps they use , LISA Estidal would be a target and maybe her corp.
If you give this a good looking into I bet you would find hundreds of target all over Eve.
If this counter-ganking started I bet more people would take up arms, I'm about to make a Cata alt myself and give it a go, I feel the life of -10 calling and a need to do elite pvp. So get off your fat asses and give this a go,
Eve does not have one sandbox with James315 standing there looking smug , we can all stand on it too so join me now
After all Code tears must flow...............
What do you think!!!!! |
Melody-Angel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.12.17 19:32:11 -
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Welcome back Sonne7 i remember you from before i'll give your post a like, and i'll links to this post as i go about my Eve stuff.
More that read it the better |
Moon Moon Burdy
Lords.Of.Midnight
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
184
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Posted - 2015.12.17 19:32:53 -
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I think you are expecting to harvest tears from those who know not how to cry.
Are you going to make CODE lose ships? They do that every day! It's part of the program. It's in their blood.
Will you bring CODE fights? They love fights. I'm sure they'll appreciate it.
Will you make CODE regret their actions and change their raison de etre? No, you won't. Have you read minerbumping.com? You can destroy a ship (that was already written off upon undocking), but you cannot kill an ideology.
What you can do is bring content. CODE loves content. We all do. Sounds like a great idea to me.
But can you defeat CODE? Hurt them in some meaningful way? I don't think you can. Have fun stormin' the castle.
Things that went boom
Storytime with Moon Moon New stories (almost) daily!
Promising Young Murderer, Education Appreciated.
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Sonne7
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2015.12.17 19:40:18 -
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Moon Moon Burdy wrote:I think you are expecting to harvest tears from those who know not how to cry.
Are you going to make CODE lose ships? They do that every day! It's part of the program. It's in their blood.
Will you bring CODE fights? They love fights. I'm sure they'll appreciate it.
Will you make CODE regret their actions and change their raison de etre? No, you won't. Have you read minerbumping.com? You can destroy a ship (that was already written off upon undocking), but you cannot kill an ideology.
What you can do is bring content. CODE loves content. We all do. Sounds like a great idea to me.
But can you defeat CODE? Hurt them in some meaningful way? I don't think you can. Have fun stormin' the castle.
maybe you never had time to read it all but no your right killing ganking ships only stops the loss of a freighter or makes them use more to do the job, I am saying look for other ways like attack there supporters, as named in my 1st post do our own ganks, stop the support and Code dies
Long live the fighters |
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
9794
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Posted - 2015.12.17 21:40:44 -
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One NPC poasting alt non-entity washing the other NPC poasting alt non-entity
Saucy
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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Pix Severus
Mew Age Outpaws
1360
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Posted - 2015.12.17 22:12:12 -
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Sounds like you want to create some content in high sec. James 315 would be proud.
If you want to find more of CODE's supporters, look through the Shareholders page on their website, many individuals and corps/alliances to sift through.
Have fun!
My lord.
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Sonne7
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2015.12.18 00:17:04 -
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Pix Severus wrote:Sounds like you want to create some content in high sec. James 315 would be proud.
If you want to find more of CODE's supporters, look through the Shareholders page on their website, many individuals and corps/alliances to sift through.
Have fun!
oh i have a list thxs, its long and I need a little book , what colour did james315 have, they went on about his damn book for so long ,
btw i almost got ALT 00 pod tonight , thats the trouble with multi boxing or being afk, maybe code need to pod her, is she not
violating her own code |
Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium.
5608
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Posted - 2015.12.18 03:29:45 -
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I'm a CODE supporter, if you want to attack me bring it on.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1559
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Posted - 2015.12.18 07:56:50 -
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Permits don't pay the bills; the 10 mill fee is there because CCP said so.
The generous supporters who have tons of shares is where the support is, along with the confiscation of decommissioned freighter cargo.
Good luck deccing them all!!!!
Also, I, too, support the Code, and I am shaking with fear as I type this. Woe is me. Woe.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Sonne7
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2015.12.18 11:37:02 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:I'm a CODE supporter, if you want to attack me bring it on.
All ready on my list you will be pleased to know, but thxs for putting your self forward, others will be harder to find |
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Sabriz Adoudel
Black Hydra Consortium.
5612
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Posted - 2015.12.18 12:53:54 -
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Mike Adoulin wrote:Permits don't pay the bills; the 10 mill fee is there because CCP said so. The generous supporters who have tons of shares is where the support is, along with the confiscation of decommissioned freighter cargo. Good luck deccing them all!!!! Also, I, too, support the Code, and I am shaking with fear as I type this. Woe is me. Woe.
The freighter pilots are the main supporters financially.
Nothing funds a weekend of ganking quite like an X-Feanor freighter.
I support the New Order and CODE. alliance. www.minerbumping.com
Sabriz's Rule: "Any time someone argues for a game change claiming it is a quality of life change, the change is actually a game balance change".
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Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
27862
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Posted - 2015.12.18 13:32:17 -
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Every time I talked about this, the raging carebears attacked me for being me.
Worst gathering of psychopathic freaks I've ever encountered.
Good luck.
I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming...
THE GAME ! (:
You lost... :)
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Noragen Neirfallas
Rabble Inc.
Rabble Alliance
2438
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Posted - 2015.12.18 13:33:59 -
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Am I the only person who double taked at the title cause I didn't read the first y?
Member and Judge of the Court of Crime and Punishment
Confirming that we all play in Noragen's eve. - BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode favourite ISD
'"****station games" - Sun Tzu' - Ralph King-Griffin
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Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
27872
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Posted - 2015.12.18 17:14:45 -
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Btw... THIS is how you do a speech properly.
And no, sorry, seeing one doesn't mean you suddenly know how to write them.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5083595
You may hire me. :3
I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming...
THE GAME ! (:
You lost... :)
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Ralph King-Griffin
Devils Rejects 666
The Devil's Warrior Alliance
13148
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Posted - 2015.12.18 17:22:10 -
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sol, formatting like that is plain and simple isd bait and you know it
Edit: infact you are why i know it.
Better the Devil you know.
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Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
27873
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Posted - 2015.12.18 18:22:24 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:sol, formatting like that is plain and simple isd bait and you know it
Edit: infact you are why i know it.
Hahaha :D
Yes. Sometimes. Not always. :)
And speeches really need it! :D
I just had a good smoke.
Transparent paper, btw.
So let me introduce you to
Blocks of text are bad. A screen isn't a book.
A screen is a viewport onto an infinitely large, two dimensional surface.
It allows us to do something with text which has it's roots in printers.
It let's us introduce "time" as a factor, which can be used to enhance the reader's experience.
It allows a deeper immersion into the written.
Stupid thing is that I can't give you an example for illustration ...
... because it's against the rules to do so ... haha xD
Hm... I know what to do, I'll link it shortly. :)
I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming...
THE GAME ! (:
You lost... :)
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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
1137
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Posted - 2015.12.18 19:25:25 -
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I don't know.
I'm ambivalent about code. I have ice mined since 2013 and have yet to be ganked.
Of course this might have something to to do with flying a skiff with 50k EHP...
That said, if code ganks poorly fit miners that means more ice for me in the long run.
Which leads to my other point with code... They are pretty ineffective at stopping large operation fleets that vacuum up the ice belts. They usually run the skiffs and tanked orcas and frieghters. Code apparently is incapable of stopping these multibox fleets.
So the ice gets mined anyways.
I remember the ice ice interdiction events and I mined throughout.
If you really want to stop code, simply educate people on having better fits.
Code is powerless when it comes to ganking tanked skiffs. They could but they are lazy and it would cost them too much.
"Entitlement" is a euphemism for "I hate the way you play and it makes me cry like a baby".
If you fantasize about being immoral it means you enjoy being immoral deep down.
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Bing Bangboom
DAMAG Safety Commission
419
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Posted - 2015.12.18 19:56:59 -
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I'm an Agent of the New Order. And I'm in a single person corporation.
You can wardec me if you want. Or just tell us who your main actually is and I will be glad to wardec your corp and save you the 50 million.
on edit: I also missed the first y in the title too and figured it was the return of Mine Teck.
Highsec is worth fighting for.
By choosing to mine in New Order systems, highsec miners have agreed to follow the New Halaima Code of Conduct.-á www.minerbumping.com
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Morgan Agrivar
Happy Endings Massage Parlor
214
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Posted - 2015.12.18 21:06:37 -
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I am also a CODE supporter but please wait until January before you wardec me so you can get my undivided attention. I don't want your 50m to go to waste.
Just something about me...
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Syeed Ameer Ali
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
194
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Posted - 2015.12.18 21:15:05 -
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Best of luck with this endeavor.
everevolutionaryfront.blogspot.com
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Sonne7
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2015.12.18 23:12:27 -
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Bing Bangboom wrote:I'm an Agent of the New Order. And I'm in a single person corporation.
You can wardec me if you want. Or just tell us who your main actually is and I will be glad to wardec your corp and save you the 50 million.
on edit: I also missed the first y in the title too and figured it was the return of Mine Teck.
No need for wardec, if you're deemed a threat we just gank you, do you not understand this, but thank you for your input and offer of content |
Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY
212
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Posted - 2015.12.19 01:54:43 -
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Sonne7 wrote:Pix Severus wrote:Sounds like you want to create some content in high sec. James 315 would be proud.
If you want to find more of CODE's supporters, look through the Shareholders page on their website, many individuals and corps/alliances to sift through.
Have fun! oh i have a list thxs, its long and I need a little book , what colour did james315 have, they went on about his damn book for so long , btw i almost got ALT 00 pod tonight , thats the trouble with multi boxing or being afk, maybe code need to pod her, is she not violating her own code
If ALT 00 was being afk, why didnt you get the pod? |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1564
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Posted - 2015.12.19 03:51:17 -
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Apparently OP is terrified of grown men wearing hamster suits.
IN SPACE.
Also, he didn't get the pod because he is a lying bastard.
As is usual with forum alts.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Sonne7
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
9
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Posted - 2015.12.19 07:00:53 -
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Mike Adoulin wrote:Apparently OP is terrified of grown men wearing hamster suits. IN SPACE. Also, he didn't get the pod because he is a lying bastard. As is usual with forum alts.
The pod was out of range unlike Joel kursion the other night which I popped, no need to call me a lying bastard when it's a simple matter of doing a bit of intelligence gathering to find facts 1st before making a fool of one's self.
Unless you don't know how sites like evewho work in which case I would be happy to show you in game how to do a bit of intel gathering,
btw you're right on one thing, I am any alt on this forum and also in the game itself and from the post so far I would be mad not to be, how else would I mine and mission run with my main, game rules allows 3 char per account and as many account as you like, 
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I can explain things to you but I can't make you understand |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
3718
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Posted - 2015.12.19 07:16:48 -
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As a mercenary alliance that has, on multiple occasions taken contracts directly from the GSF logistics director, as a group of players who largely support CODE. and as individuals who violently impose our will and the will of our clients on others on a routine basis Break-A-Wish Foundation is an organization that openly supports and enables tyranny.
And I challenge anybody to do a god damned thing about it. |
Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1565
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Posted - 2015.12.19 08:33:00 -
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Sonne7 wrote:blahblahimmacowardlyforumaltwhinewhinewhine
Sorry, I don't bother checking on blatant forum alts.
I call you a liar because proofs, you have none.
Also, forum alts are the height of cowardice, even in an online video game.
You ask how you would mine and mission and toodle around if we knew your main?
Easy.
LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE.
I love how you expect us to take you seriously when you are so afraid you won't even post with your main.
BTW I recommend everybody gank a miner/somebody and then tell the victim Sonne7 hired you to do it.
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
27918
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Posted - 2015.12.19 09:29:41 -
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I keep reading tranny, tbh.
I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming...
THE GAME ! (:
You lost... :)
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Iain Cariaba
2211
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Posted - 2015.12.19 09:31:10 -
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Sonne7 wrote:I... how can we hurt the gankers and make it a bit harder for them.
1. Escort your freighters and use webs to get them into warp.
2. Don't fit freighters for max cargo, fit them for tank.
3. Don't stuff freighters full of cargo worth more than 1bil isk.
4. Don't autopilot in anything.
5. Fly Skiffs/Procurers and fit them for tank, not yield.
6. If going AFK, dock up.
7. Actively play the game. Don't start mining and switch to netflix.
8. Don't bling fit mission ships when t2 fits will do. If a single module costs more than the hull you're putting it on, you're doing something wrong.
Do these, and you make the game harder for gankers, which hurts them.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Iain Cariaba
2211
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Posted - 2015.12.19 09:35:45 -
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Sonne7 wrote:...how else would I mine and mission run with my main
If you think your opinions or ideas would cause people to hunt you down in game, then maybe you should reconsider posting those opinions or ideas, rather than use a forum alt.
Or, simply don't care what others think of you, and welcome the content if people want to hunt you down for your opinions.
Either way, post with your main if you want to be taken seriously.
EvE is hard. It's harder if you're stupid.
I couldn't have said it better.
Hello, Mr Carebear. Would you like some cheese with that whine?
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Sonne7
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2015.12.19 10:47:08 -
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Iain Cariaba wrote:Sonne7 wrote:...how else would I mine and mission run with my main If you think your opinions or ideas would cause people to hunt you down in game, then maybe you should reconsider posting those opinions or ideas, rather than use a forum alt. Or, simply don't care what others think of you, and welcome the content if people want to hunt you down for your opinions. Either way, post with your main if you want to be taken seriously.
I'm not sure what this forum alt stuff is, i play this character as much as my other character, they just do different things in eve that are not compatible just like people who gank under the code name are Goons or Goon lap dogs alts they are just their other characters
I find the flak very strange or maybe i hit a nerve.....
anyway fly safe all and play eve your way and enjoy it , i do
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Melody-Angel
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
1
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Posted - 2015.12.19 10:56:57 -
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I know her main, pay me 500mill, sent from jame315 and i'll tell all
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Mortlake
Devils Rejects 666
941
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Posted - 2015.12.19 11:18:14 -
[32] - Quote
Sonne7 wrote:just like people who gank under the code name are Goons or Goon lap dogs alts
And there it is.
Grr. |
Morgan Agrivar
Happy Endings Massage Parlor
216
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Posted - 2015.12.19 11:22:27 -
[33] - Quote
I knew I was forgetting something...post on your main or GTFO. That is all.
Just something about me...
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Renegade Heart
Renegade Empire
542
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Posted - 2015.12.19 11:29:05 -
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I think the New Order is a wonderful thing! I bought shares too, so I guess I am a supporter?
I know you are busy with all these other people to hunt, but when you finally get around to trying to gank me, I will be looking forward to it.
Good luck! |
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
1516
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Posted - 2015.12.19 17:30:45 -
[35] - Quote
Sonne7 wrote:
All ready on my list you will be pleased to know, but thxs for putting your self forward, others will be harder to find
While we do not give CODE isk - My entire corp support their content creating activities.
Could you please add my corp to your list.
Because you are saying some people are hard to find I'll make it easy for you - We live in Okkamon.
https://soundcloud.com/ibanezlaney
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Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY
212
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Posted - 2015.12.19 19:27:49 -
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Sonne7 wrote:Mike Adoulin wrote:Apparently OP is terrified of grown men wearing hamster suits. IN SPACE. Also, he didn't get the pod because he is a lying bastard. As is usual with forum alts. The pod was out of range unlike Joel kursion the other night which I popped, no need to call me a lying bastard when it's a simple matter of doing a bit of intelligence gathering to find facts 1st before making a fool of one's self. Unless you don't know how sites like evewho work in which case I would be happy to show you in game how to do a bit of intel gathering, btw you're right on one thing, I am any alt on this forum and also in the game itself and from the post so far I would be mad not to be, how else would I mine and mission run with my main, game rules allows 3 char per account and as many account as you like, __________________________________________________________________________________ I can explain things to you but I can't make you understand
But if he was afk as you claim, then unless you have max speed of 0 m/s on your ship, you couldve easily caught up with him and popped him.
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Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
62
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Posted - 2015.12.19 20:31:18 -
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How to hurt CODE: bore them to death.
It worked in null.
A signature :o
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
3721
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Posted - 2015.12.19 23:42:15 -
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Solonius Rex wrote:
But if he was afk as you claim, then unless you have max speed of 0 m/s on your ship, you couldve easily caught up with him and popped him.
There is not exactly lots of time to motor around in a ship with no prop mod when you've got about 4 seconds until concord blap you. |
Tarojan
Tarojan Corporation
198
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Posted - 2015.12.20 04:33:53 -
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No ones bothered to point out yet that code always wins?
Will gank for food
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Solonius Rex
F0RCED ENTRY
213
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Posted - 2015.12.20 07:07:03 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Solonius Rex wrote:
But if he was afk as you claim, then unless you have max speed of 0 m/s on your ship, you couldve easily caught up with him and popped him.
There is not exactly lots of time to motor around in a ship with no prop mod when you've got about 4 seconds until concord blap you.
He isnt a ganker though, hes shooting at the guys who suicide gank, and therefore doesnt have to worry about Concord because they are all -10. |
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Sonne7
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2015.12.20 07:54:22 -
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Tarojan wrote:No ones bothered to point out yet that code always wins?
I believe code lost on Friday evening, from reports it seems a well planned AG fleet stopped a code gank dead in its tracks, with ew sniping and smart bomb attack, one or two ganker got picked off at the gates on the way to their target, freighter was at 80% hull after the attack, a small AG rep fleet fixed her up and off she went.
Total code fail.
Join in and help save more ships
Also a big shout out to AG anti-bumpers who helped save a freighter on the same night, every action makes it a little bit harder for them to gank |
Vanilla Mooses
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
46
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Posted - 2015.12.20 08:19:23 -
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Sonne7 wrote:
Also a big shout out to AG anti-bumpers who helped save a freighter on the same night, every action makes it a little bit harder for them to gank
As a gank FC, I can assure you that nothing could be further from the truth. We don't even notice you are there unless you are within about 5,000m of the target we just killed, at which point (if time permits) we might shoot at you, but that's the same treatment anyone else would get. At most, the only real impact that "anti-ganking" has is giving us something to giggle about while we wait for a criminal timer to expire or our next target to be bumped and ready. You could all give up tomorrow and go do something else, or spend every moment trying to stop us, it makes no difference.
Even if you somehow managed to "save" a freighter, there are always fifty more on autopilot, loaded with billions of ISK in loot, totally AFK.
Perhaps you should ask yourself a question - why are so few players involved in "anti-ganking", and why are there only a couple of them who have shown they even understand basic game mechanics? Why do trillions of ISK worth of freighters get ganked every single week in the same system, time and time again? Why, in years of operation, do your rebel leaders keep quitting the game, leaving for other things and giving up? Once you can answer those questions, you might be able to start yourself on a path that actually leads to real results.
Of course, this whole problem could be solved if all freighter pilots simply followed the New Halaima Code of Conduct. If you want to have a serious impact on ganking, you'd do well to become a agent of the New Order and do your part to stamp out those who break the law. The only way you will achieve any type of victory is to address the root of the problem, which of course is bot-aspirant players.
Edit: Spelling, and a fix to a broken quote tag. |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
3722
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Posted - 2015.12.20 08:20:27 -
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I wasn't paying very much attention to his post, to be honest. |
Sonne7
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
11
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Posted - 2015.12.20 08:33:30 -
[44] - Quote
Vanilla Mooses wrote:Sonne7 wrote:
Also a big shout out to AG anti-bumpers who helped save a freighter on the same night, every action makes it a little bit harder for them to gank
As a gank FC, I can assure you that nothing could be further from the truth. We don't even notice you are there unless you are within about 5,000m of the target we just killed, at which point (if time permits) we might shoot at you, but that's the same treatment anyone else would get. At most, the only real impact that "anti-ganking" has is giving us something to giggle about while we wait for a criminal timer to expire or our next target to be bumped and ready. You could all give up tomorrow and go do something else, or spend every moment trying to stop us, it makes no difference. Even if you somehow managed to "save" a freighter, there are always fifty more on autopilot, loaded with billions of ISK in loot, totally AFK. Perhaps you should ask yourself a question - why are so few players involved in "anti-ganking", and why are there only a couple of them who have shown they even understand basic game mechanics? Why do trillions of ISK worth of freighters get ganked every single week in the same system, time and time again? Why, in years of operation, do your rebel leaders keep quitting the game, leaving for other things and giving up? Once you can answer those questions, you might be able to start yourself on a path that actually leads to real results. Of course, this whole problem could be solved if all freighter pilots simply followed the New Halaima Code of Conduct. If you want to have a serious impact on ganking, you'd do well to become a agent of the New Order and do your part to stamp out those who break the law. The only way you will achieve any type of victory is to address the root of the problem, which of course is bot-aspirant players. Edit: Spelling, and a fix to a broken quote tag.
I just can't play eve non stop with work and stuff, wish I could.
I bet the FC of the fail gank noticed AG shame I missed it, and yet I do understand your need to cover your fails up but let's move on |
Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
62
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Posted - 2015.12.20 11:15:00 -
[45] - Quote
That "bot-aspirant" thing is tired, old, and sad. If you want to seriously hurt bots, get them banned. They need a skill sheet to do the things bots do, and if the characters with the skill sheets go poof, they're back to nothing.
If laziness is what drives them to bot, they won't be back for round two.
A signature :o
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Avi Shekelstien
New Order Logistics
CODE.
47
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Posted - 2015.12.20 20:32:22 -
[46] - Quote
So, has the revolution started? Has james315 been lynched by an obelisk through uedama? Or is it another anti ganker crying "can't someone else do it?" |
Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
35
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Posted - 2015.12.20 21:06:28 -
[47] - Quote
I gotta admit, I took a peek on being a white knight and all, jamming catalysts (Actually, WD worked way better), suicide webbing ships and stuff, but it's all boiled down to sitting hours doing nothing with occasional attempt to prevent death with many people not even realizing it, not caring and being very rude when you gave them advises.
I spent quite some time offering free Orca boosts, too. Guess what? The only gratitude I got is blames for me not boosting the days I wasn't on keyboard. Yep.
I spent some time on sexy ore buybacks giving me 1.5% margin. I was being blamed for ripping "poor miners" off.
Then I came to conclusion that average victim is filthy dumb egoistic animal with ragequit being another great victory not for the highsec only, but for EVE as a whole. |
Morgan Agrivar
Happy Endings Massage Parlor
217
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Posted - 2015.12.20 23:36:09 -
[48] - Quote
Leila Meurtrier wrote:I gotta admit, I took a peek on being a white knight and all, jamming catalysts (Actually, WD worked way better), suicide webbing ships and stuff, but it's all boiled down to sitting hours doing nothing with occasional attempt to prevent death with many people not even realizing it, not caring and being very rude when you gave them advises.
I spent quite some time offering free Orca boosts, too. Guess what? The only gratitude I got is blames for me not boosting the days I wasn't on keyboard. Yep.
I spent some time on sexy ore buybacks giving me 1.5% margin. I was being blamed for ripping "poor miners" off.
Then I came to conclusion that average victim is filthy dumb egoistic animal with ragequit being another great victory not for the highsec only, but for EVE as a whole.
Before I ventured out into lowsec to give faction warfare a try, I spent about two months helping newbies fly through that bottleneck, warning people through private messaging that CODE was on the other side. Most of the time I was ignored and rarely was thanked for giving them vital information that could have saved their freighter. Over the course of that time, I came to the same conclusion. Why should I protect these idiots from a fate that would better serve Eve as a whole?
Then loyalnon asked my lowsec corp if we wanted to gank these freighters one day. I was honestly curious so I went ahead and joined their fleet...and had a blast. That is what led me to highsec wardecs and the fun I get out of hunting these people. Eve is a PvP game with mining in it, not the other way around. Once you understand that, then you will get somewhere in the game.
I have no sympathy for miners who get ganked repeatedly in horrible fit Retrievers and then start to cry in local. They deserve that fate if they refuse to learn. That is why I am against any nerfs that would aim to protect them even more than they are now.
Just something about me...
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
3728
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Posted - 2015.12.21 01:06:30 -
[49] - Quote
Until you spend time shooting carebears it's difficult to understand how much some of them really deserve it.
On the whole they're really ignorant, self interested players with a massive sense of entitlement. All they want is to play the game in the most uninvolved way they possibly can with no goal beyond increasing the quantity of isk they have. They don't want an interesting or exciting game experience, they don't want to produce or be involved in player driven content, he'll most of them don't even want to communicate with other players (except of course to brag about how much isk they have, which is usually a pittance).
They aren't players that deserve sympathy or mercy, they're passive participants in the game world, the least valuable kin of player in regards to the health of the game. The pinnacle of their EVE careers is the brief moment in which they die in a fire to an actively participating, content creating player.
The sole value they have in the game is as fodder for others. |
Jerry T Pepridge
Meta Game Analysis and Investment INC.
512
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Posted - 2015.12.21 03:53:06 -
[50] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:The sole value they have in the game is as fodder for others.
Well said.
Without them hisec mercs wouldn't exist, so its a chicken & egg thing too for you lot. |
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
3743
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Posted - 2015.12.21 04:06:31 -
[51] - Quote
Some carebears are literally no good for anything but shooting at. The kind that literally refuse to interact with other players.
There is however the less carebeary variety that mercenaries have a more involved relationship with. The kind who interact with other players but don't really like to take action themselves. These people get in yelling matches with eachother over who gets to mine this ice belt or who has the blingest mission boat then, because they aren't willing to put themselves at risk, hire mercenaries to shoot the other guy. That guy then hires mercenaries to protect him from the nasty people who are shooting him, or to go after the person he suspects of hiring them. Without these carebears the highsec mercenary community wouldn't have very much to do.
Those carebears are fine, regardless of whether or not they do the shooting themselves their actions are driving conflict and creating content in the game. It's the other kind that are deplorable dregs. |
HoleySheet1
Renegade Armada.
What Squad
763
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Posted - 2015.12.21 13:09:59 -
[52] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:Some carebears are literally no good for anything but shooting at. The kind that literally refuse to interact with other players.
There is however the less carebeary variety that mercenaries have a more involved relationship with. The kind who interact with other players but don't really like to take action themselves. These people get in yelling matches with eachother over who gets to mine this ice belt or who has the blingest mission boat then, because they aren't willing to put themselves at risk, hire mercenaries to shoot the other guy. That guy then hires mercenaries to protect him from the nasty people who are shooting him, or to go after the person he suspects of hiring them. Without these carebears the highsec mercenary community wouldn't have very much to do.
Those carebears are fine, regardless of whether or not they do the shooting themselves their actions are driving conflict and creating content in the game. It's the other kind that are deplorable dregs.
Tldr rubbish coming from you, as usual. Try harder, write a few more paragraphs next time.
Player driven Emperor of Amarr, no npc crap. Kneel before me.
https://zkillboard.com/system/30002187/topalltime
A magical Life Lesson :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xATi_9seuk
WAAAAAAZZZOOOOOO
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Mike Adoulin
Adolescent Radioactive Pirate Hamsters
1569
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Posted - 2015.12.21 14:24:43 -
[53] - Quote
HoleySheet1 wrote:theusualdrivel
Why Vimsy.
I do believe he wants some attention.
*gets popcorn*
Everything in EVE is a trap.
And if it isn't, it's your job to make it a trap...:)
You want to know what immorality in EVE Online looks like? Look no further than Ripard "Jester" Teg.
Chribba is the Chuck Norris of EVE.
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Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
28213
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Posted - 2015.12.21 15:38:59 -
[54] - Quote
Sonne7 wrote:Vanilla Mooses wrote:Sonne7 wrote:
Also a big shout out to AG anti-bumpers who helped save a freighter on the same night, every action makes it a little bit harder for them to gank
As a gank FC, I can assure you that nothing could be further from the truth. We don't even notice you are there unless you are within about 5,000m of the target we just killed, at which point (if time permits) we might shoot at you, but that's the same treatment anyone else would get. At most, the only real impact that "anti-ganking" has is giving us something to giggle about while we wait for a criminal timer to expire or our next target to be bumped and ready. You could all give up tomorrow and go do something else, or spend every moment trying to stop us, it makes no difference. Even if you somehow managed to "save" a freighter, there are always fifty more on autopilot, loaded with billions of ISK in loot, totally AFK. Perhaps you should ask yourself a question - why are so few players involved in "anti-ganking", and why are there only a couple of them who have shown they even understand basic game mechanics? Why do trillions of ISK worth of freighters get ganked every single week in the same system, time and time again? Why, in years of operation, do your rebel leaders keep quitting the game, leaving for other things and giving up? Once you can answer those questions, you might be able to start yourself on a path that actually leads to real results. Of course, this whole problem could be solved if all freighter pilots simply followed the New Halaima Code of Conduct. If you want to have a serious impact on ganking, you'd do well to become a agent of the New Order and do your part to stamp out those who break the law. The only way you will achieve any type of victory is to address the root of the problem, which of course is bot-aspirant players. Edit: Spelling, and a fix to a broken quote tag. I just can't play eve non stop with work and stuff, wish I could. I bet the FC of the fail gank noticed AG shame I missed it, and yet I do understand your need to cover your fails up but let's move on
You're delusional if you think Mooses needs to cover up anything ...
I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming...
THE GAME ! (:
You lost... :)
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
3755
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Posted - 2015.12.21 15:57:49 -
[55] - Quote
Mike Adoulin wrote:HoleySheet1 wrote:theusualdrivel Why Vimsy. I do believe he wants some attention. *gets popcorn*
He's just mad that he can't string two coherent sentences together. |
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
28249
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Posted - 2015.12.21 17:20:01 -
[56] - Quote
VV ... today I've read isomewhere here that it was BAW that killed RvB.
Any written down stories to read about that? :D
I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming...
THE GAME ! (:
You lost... :)
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Lady Ayeipsia
Red Federation
RvB - RED Federation
995
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Posted - 2015.12.21 17:52:06 -
[57] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:VV ... today I've read isomewhere here that it was BAW that killed RvB.
Any written down stories to read about that? :D
I doubt my words will be viewed as 100% accurate as I am biased. And by the end I will plug the rebirth of RvB. Still, to say that BAW killed RvB is not accurate either. Final nail in the coffin that lead to ceasing of operations yes, but that form of RvB was already hurting. Activity had been on a steady decline and far too much management was thrust upon too few shoulders. Eventually those shoulders became burnt out.
I mean BAW was not responsible for us not even making an advert for the last alliance tournament and since we did not make the free draw, we lost the free publicity there. BAW did not lead to Mangala's ganked dwindling after he left and RvB losing that form of advertising. Nor was BAW responsible for us having issues with whether to cater to newer players at the expense of some vets or the opposite that lead to internal drama. Plus BAW wasn't responsible for the steady decline of high sec POCO income starting since last January or the drop in overall RvB kills for the same time period that lead us to relocate nor did that relocation help as hoped.
This is not to discount BAW, they were the first to notice our decline and to attack our POCO empire (i believe the more lucrative were given to Brave before BAW could take them). They did also bring fleets that outclassed much of what we could muster in our dwindling state. They were quite formidable. I know if I wanted someone in hi sec to hurt, I would hire BAW. But to make an analogy, was it the Visigoths that destroyed the Roman empire or were they just the first ones to sack the capital of a dying empire? Same with BAW and RvB at the time.
That said, we ain't dead yet. We may have lost our income, but prior to POCOs ae had no income and held a 100k FFA. We are still going now with planned fights, roams, and the usual constant fighting that is RvB. Plus without as much admin troubles, more of the people who helped make RvB work behind the scenes can get out and pew now. Are we as big as we once were? No. Are we rising again, trying to fill the niche of fun fast pew needed in this era of entios links, yes! So join us for some fun fast pew! (told you I would make a recruitment plug). |
HoleySheet1
Renegade Armada.
What Squad
765
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Posted - 2015.12.21 19:23:27 -
[58] - Quote
Vimsy Vortis wrote:Mike Adoulin wrote:HoleySheet1 wrote:theusualdrivel Why Vimsy. I do believe he wants some attention. *gets popcorn* He's just mad that he can't string two coherent sentences together.
Negative, I just think you're an idiot worthy of pity. Others may stroke your ego...not sure why. Explain please, and keep it short ffs.
Player driven Emperor of Amarr, no npc crap. Kneel before me.
https://zkillboard.com/system/30002187/topalltime
A magical Life Lesson :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_xATi_9seuk
WAAAAAAZZZOOOOOO
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Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
3758
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Posted - 2015.12.21 19:59:23 -
[59] - Quote
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:This is not to discount BAW, they were the first to notice our decline and to attack our POCO empire (i believe the more lucrative were given to Brave before BAW could take them). They did also bring fleets that outclassed much of what we could muster in our dwindling state. They were quite formidable. I know if I wanted someone in hi sec to hurt, I would hire BAW. But to make an analogy, was it the Visigoths that destroyed the Roman empire or were they just the first ones to sack the capital of a dying empire? Same with BAW and RvB at the time.
We took them from Brave. Their effort to defend them didn't last long and was frankly worse than RVBs, we actually lost stuff to RVB, Brave literally didn't cause more than 25% armor damage to a single ship.
But yes it was apparent that RVB was in a pretty sorry state when we went to war with them, and a combination of low activity and absolutely horrifying leadership meant suddenly coming up against an outside aggressor that is actually competent was the spark that provoked all the debacle where the entire leadership jumped ship and announced RVB was dead.
Also for the record Shenanigansbus and Rooney are thoroughly cancerous individuals. |
Arya Regnar
Darwins Right Hand
827
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Posted - 2015.12.22 03:57:34 -
[60] - Quote
Yes lets do this, lets all wardec CODE.
THAT WILL TEACH THEM
EvE-Mail me if you need anything.
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Vanilla Mooses
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2015.12.22 05:50:35 -
[61] - Quote
Sonne7 wrote:
I bet the FC of the fail gank noticed AG shame I missed it, and yet I do understand your need to cover your fails up but let's move on
You are confused.
Of course we fail from time to time. No FC or fleet is perfect. Where you are confused is in thinking that "AG" has anything to do with it. You guys are something to laugh at in local while we dunk billions and billions of ISK worth of targets. Your misguided and totally ineffective attempts to slow us down or stop us serve as little more then amusement while we wait down timers. |
Vanilla Mooses
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2015.12.22 05:52:28 -
[62] - Quote
Leila Meurtrier wrote:I gotta admit, I took a peek on being a white knight and all, jamming catalysts (Actually, WD worked way better), suicide webbing ships and stuff, but it's all boiled down to sitting hours doing nothing with occasional attempt to prevent death with many people not even realizing it, not caring and being very rude when you gave them advises.
I spent quite some time offering free Orca boosts, too. Guess what? The only gratitude I got is blames for me not boosting the days I wasn't on keyboard. Yep.
I spent some time on sexy ore buybacks giving me 1.5% margin. I was being blamed for ripping "poor miners" off.
Then I came to conclusion that average victim is filthy dumb egoistic animal with ragequit being another great victory not for the highsec only, but for EVE as a whole.
Antimatter/Void based education is all they understand.
You can't cure the disease of the bot-aspirant highsec publord without hitting them in the only place they care about: the wallet. |
Vanilla Mooses
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
49
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Posted - 2015.12.22 05:57:49 -
[63] - Quote
Arya Regnar wrote:Yes lets do this, lets all wardec CODE. THAT WILL TEACH THEM
Or go one better, send billions of ISK to Tora Bushido to wardec a alliance full of -10 pilots that can be shot at any time without a wardec :P |
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
3762
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Posted - 2015.12.22 06:03:05 -
[64] - Quote
Hire BAW instead we do it better. |
Morgan Agrivar
Happy Endings Massage Parlor
220
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Posted - 2015.12.22 07:18:41 -
[65] - Quote
Vanilla Mooses wrote:Arya Regnar wrote:Yes lets do this, lets all wardec CODE. THAT WILL TEACH THEM Or go one better, send billions of ISK to Tora Bushido to wardec a alliance full of -10 pilots that can be shot at any time without a wardec :P
Or you can send billions to me and I can do the same thing.
Just something about me...
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Sonne7
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
12
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Posted - 2015.12.22 11:23:20 -
[66] - Quote
Some very good points being made here thxs for all the interest
Just to let you know how my plans are going , ganker alts now ready and we plan to do some fleet training before looking for our 1st target
Thxs for all the support in game and yes its a shame you can't post here, code play the role of low life scum bag very welll indeed
(i would like to add most threat are game based only one or two personal but there's always one )
A big shout out to all the AG groups keep up the good work..........
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Action Nerd
Petulant Luddite GmbH
0
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Posted - 2015.12.22 21:18:38 -
[67] - Quote
Iain Cariaba wrote:Sonne7 wrote:I... how can we hurt the gankers and make it a bit harder for them. 1. Escort your freighters and use webs to get them into warp. 2. Don't fit freighters for max cargo, fit them for tank. 3. Don't stuff freighters full of cargo worth more than 1bil isk. 4. Don't autopilot in anything. 5. Fly Skiffs/Procurers and fit them for tank, not yield. 6. If going AFK, dock up. 7. Actively play the game. Don't start mining and switch to netflix. 8. Don't bling fit mission ships when t2 fits will do. If a single module costs more than the hull you're putting it on, you're doing something wrong. Do these, and you make the game harder for gankers, which hurts them.
This. It's not rocket science.
Gankers are never gonna really be hurt, though because there will always be the whiners who don't think they should have to tank their ships and that hi-sec should be safe. And people shouldn't be able to wardec them. and life should be FAIR!!!
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Vanilla Mooses
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
51
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Posted - 2015.12.23 04:02:31 -
[68] - Quote
Sonne7 wrote:Some very good points being made here thxs for all the interest Just to let you know how my plans are going , ganker alts now ready and we plan to do some fleet training before looking for our 1st target Thxs for all the support in game and yes its a shame you can't post here, code play the role of low life scum bag very welll indeed (i would like to add most threat are game based only one or two personal but there's always one ) A big shout out to all the AG groups keep up the good work..........
Where was your grand plan today when I FC'ed a 50 person fleet and dunked nearly 30 billion worth of freighters/orcas?
I saw you in local, but you were not doing anything except complaining about ganking. While you were complaining, things like this and this were burning.
So, keep us posted on how it goes, brave rebel leader. You can post here all you want, but when I dunk nearly 30 billion worth of targets while you sit in local complaining, expect to be called out on your lack of any effectiveness. |
Sonne7
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2015.12.26 05:15:20 -
[69] - Quote
Vanilla Mooses wrote:Sonne7 wrote:Some very good points being made here thxs for all the interest Just to let you know how my plans are going , ganker alts now ready and we plan to do some fleet training before looking for our 1st target Thxs for all the support in game and yes its a shame you can't post here, code play the role of low life scum bag very welll indeed (i would like to add most threat are game based only one or two personal but there's always one ) A big shout out to all the AG groups keep up the good work.......... Where was your grand plan today when I FC'ed a 50 person fleet and dunked nearly 30 billion worth of freighters/orcas? I saw you in local, but you were not doing anything except complaining about ganking. While you were complaining, things like this and this were burning. So, keep us posted on how it goes, brave rebel leader. You can post here all you want, but when I dunk nearly 30 billion worth of targets while you sit in local complaining, expect to be called out on your lack of any effectiveness.
Makes me laugh how your post go, facts are thin on the ground and you see local though rose coloured glasses, I sure your master will be pleased with your brave actions on that night.
Anyway hope you have a great holiday time and look forward to seeing you in space soon |
Vanilla Mooses
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
55
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Posted - 2015.12.26 07:00:07 -
[70] - Quote
Sonne7 wrote:
Makes me laugh how your post go, facts are thin on the ground and you see local though rose coloured glasses, I sure your master will be pleased with your brave actions on that night.
Anyway hope you have a great holiday time and look forward to seeing you in space soon
Facts are "thin?" Hardly. The facts are API verified. (The fleet in question was on December 22ed, from 18:30 -> 23:00). The facts of this are far from "thin" - they are 100% verified and quite easy to check up on.
Look forward to seeing you too. Hopefully next time you will manage something beyond complaining in local or whoring on CONCORD killmails, but we both know that is the best we can expect. |
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Sonne7
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2015.12.26 09:00:43 -
[71] - Quote
Vanilla Mooses wrote:[quote=Sonne7] Facts are "thin?" Hardly. The facts are API verified. (The fleet in question was on December 22ed, from 18:30 -> 23:00). The facts of this are far from "thin" - they are 100% verified and quite easy to check up on. Look forward to seeing you too. Hopefully next time you will manage something beyond complaining in local or whoring on CONCORD killmails, but we both know that is the best we can expect.
Let's hope I can surprise you, I think it will
Nice numbers in your fleets, bit of an over kill if I do say so myself, getting worried somethings a foot
Not sure I complain in local, I do like to tell peoplele about your whereabouts , which from your response bugs you so I be keeping that up and it's good for my wallet
Last point whoring on concord, come on people of eve give it a try it fun to do and sometimes it stops a gank, which as you see from this post makes code tears, talk to me in game if you want some useful ship setups to join in........
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Vanilla Mooses
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
58
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Posted - 2015.12.26 20:24:37 -
[72] - Quote
Sonne7 wrote:Not sure I complain in local, I do like to tell peoplele about your whereabouts , which from your response bugs you so I be keeping that up and it's good for my wallet Last point whoring on concord, come on people of eve give it a try it fun to do and sometimes it stops a gank, which as you see from this post makes code tears, talk to me in game if you want some useful ship setups to join in........
Huh?
Care to try that again, but this time in English? |
Sonne7
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
18
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Posted - 2015.12.26 20:34:26 -
[73] - Quote
Vanilla Mooses wrote:Sonne7 wrote:Not sure I complain in local, I do like to tell peoplele about your whereabouts , which from your response bugs you so I be keeping that up and it's good for my wallet Last point whoring on concord, come on people of eve give it a try it fun to do and sometimes it stops a gank, which as you see from this post makes code tears, talk to me in game if you want some useful ship setups to join in........ Huh? Care to try that again, but this time in English?
Sorry, did that from my phone but you get my point
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