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Kentaro Kawaii	Posted - 2007.01.16 09:44:00 - [1] Work in progress, will be available soon. Website includes fully functional message boards (forums), public or private markers (choose what non-corp members can/cannot see on a page-by-page basis,) secure logon procedures, announcement board (corp evemail replacement,) hitlist system (post your mail from CONCORD and it will do the rest,) death list system, war intelligence center, item database (corp only, for posting what is needed/available to others,) market information center (post market reports generated in-game,) member management (admin only,) and other features soon to come. Early development screenshot of shell testing: Click here for pre-beta screenshot The member management system will not let anyone sign up unless they are both detected by eve to be in the corporation, in addition to being approved by the corporation's CEO. There are two frontends, one for the IGB that is integrated with the IGB's in-game features, and the external frontend for viewing outside of eve's minibrowser, which allows for uploading of XML character sheets for easy message board refrence, market charts, etc. So far, I've recieved a lot of positive feedback on the beta accounts and demo's i've given during the early development and hope to continue this service in the future. I'm posting this here from a suggestion from someone to get a better opinion on what other people think about it. Hosting and customer support included. 50% of payments recieved will be donated to a cause.
Coumarin	Posted - 2007.01.16 10:05:00 - [2] Are you going to release this for people to run on their own servers? Looks good :)
Shanzem DarkStar 1	Posted - 2007.01.16 10:11:00 - [3] that looks very impressive indeed! any kind of detailed info? i.e what you can do with it? and how long has it taken you so far to achive that :)? -------------------------------------------
Kentaro Kawaii	Posted - 2007.01.16 10:11:00 - [4] Probably not, seeing as I dont like to make things open source if it would benefit me financially if I didn't. My main purpose for making it is there are apparently no "real" Content Management Systems compatible with eve's in-game minibrowser. This is an attempt to fix that and charge a little bit in the meantime to help my corp and myself out, and offer this service to other corps in the meantime. It's a pretty nifty little system and helps organize things MUCH easier than relying on evemail or an outside website.
Kentaro Kawaii	Posted - 2007.01.16 10:14:00 - [5] Originally by: Shanzem that looks very impressive indeed! any kind of detailed info? i.e what you can do with it? and how long has it taken you so far to achive that :)? That page you're seeing took less than a week to set up operationally. The entire system takes a while because I'm trying to make it 100% XHTML-strict compatible for eve's minibrowser. More screenshots will be posted later as the service becomes more readily available. And if you're worried about privacy, passwords are hashed, all information is held confidential, and is governed by the privacy policy of the parent hosting company.
StarStryder Wise Guys Rogue Method Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.16 10:30:00 - [6] Originally by: Kentaro Kawaii Probably not, seeing as I dont like to make things open source if it would benefit me financially if I didn't. My main purpose for making it is there are apparently no "real" Content Management Systems compatible with eve's in-game minibrowser. This is an attempt to fix that and charge a little bit in the meantime to help my corp and myself out, and offer this service to other corps in the meantime. It's a pretty nifty little system and helps organize things MUCH easier than relying on evemail or an outside website. The trouble you'll have if it's not open source is that no one will believe (or at least take the risk) that you're not farming their secret information or that you haven't built in a back door for yourself.
Kentaro Kawaii	Posted - 2007.01.16 10:35:00 - [7] Edited by: Kentaro Kawaii on 16/01/2007 10:32:30 Originally by: StarStryder The trouble you'll have if it's not open source is that no one will believe (or at least take the risk) that you're not farming their secret information or that you haven't built in a back door for yourself. I've pondered that a while back and decided that all corps interested get a risk free 24-hour test period before making any decisions.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.01.16 10:44:00 - [8] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 16/01/2007 10:44:00 Wow, that looks great. I love stuff like this. But yeah, the security is a problem. Its basically the same thing as last week when a guy was posting about his tool for uploading/managing settings on the net. The security thing is very important, and we would all prefer if stuff like this was open source I think. I mean, even if you have a 24 hour free trial, there is nothing stopping you from putting code into it later to do malicious things. Or you can put it in now and make the code run 6 months from now. But I guess using this program is a decision everyone has to take themselfs. Sometimes you just have to say "what the hell" and take the risks. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune
Kentaro Kawaii	Posted - 2007.01.16 10:53:00 - [9] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 16/01/2007 10:41:53 Wow, that looks great. I love stuff like this. But yeah, the security is a problem. Its basically the same thing as last week when a guy was posting about his tool for uploading/managing settings on the net. The security thing is very important, and we would all prefer if stuff like this was open source I think. I mean, even if you have a 24 hour free trial, there is nothing stopping you from putting code into it later to do malicious things. Once people get used to it. It is an unfortunate fact that you are entirely correct. However, I have only recieved positive or minimally skeptical feedback from everyone, and am quite fond of the idea of a voluntary hosted index, where corporations who currently use the system may list their link and personal responses about the service. Things like this really do rely on trust, and I believe that over time more and more will trust all information hosted is safe and secure. At no time is any information forcefully taken, all is given voluntarily, and at your own discretion. Accounts are in no way linked with your eve account, either. Your character name is your logon and you make a seperate password, of which I cannot decypher. I do politely ask, that if you are indeed concerned about security, either simply ignore this project, or take part in making it better. I'm not the kind of person to filter constructive criticism, but embrace it. If you don't like something I'm doing, let me know, and I will try my best, within reason, to conform.
Jim McGregor	Posted - 2007.01.16 10:56:00 - [10] Yep. I say keep working on it...think it would be very useful for a lot of people once the trust is there. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune

smashsmash	Posted - 2007.01.16 10:58:00 - [11] that's pretty damn impressive
Baron Oxes Hypermagic Mountain	Posted - 2007.01.16 11:00:00 - [12] Kentaro, nice work : ) Sorry to slightly hijack your topic, but I'm not having much luck - do you know of a guide that outlines the custom tags, attributes and wotsits that are available when using the IGB?
Kentaro Kawaii	Posted - 2007.01.16 11:02:00 - [13] Originally by: smashsmash that's pretty damn impressive No, honestly what's pretty damn impressive is the fact that there is extensive documentation on how to play with the eve's in-game browser and how to specifically make webpages that will apprear correctly in-game but nobody has taken the initiative prior to this (at least to my knowledge) to take advantage of it like this. The eve minibrowser was created as a result of many hours of design and programming and isn't being used to its full potential, it just seems like it's wasted--and something good should come of it.
Chewan Mesa Beagle Corp	Posted - 2007.01.16 11:02:00 - [14] Aye we use the IGB as well for Corp-Stuff, keep going, looks like an interesting project.
Kentaro Kawaii	Posted - 2007.01.16 11:05:00 - [15] Edited by: Kentaro Kawaii on 16/01/2007 11:04:17 Originally by: Baron Oxes Kentaro, nice work : ) Sorry to slightly hijack your topic, but I'm not having much luck - do you know of a guide that outlines the custom tags, attributes and wotsits that are available when using the IGB? Yep, just send me an evemail next time server is online and i'll link you when I get back from my next class if someone doesn't beat me to it. The links are on these forums somewhere and I think it's stickied -- so look around. The documentation isn't entirely complete (as some pages are missing) but you can still play and toy with things on your own. Just keep in mind to use http://validator.w3.org/ (XHTML Transitional or XHTML Strict for perfect pages) to make sure everything's correctly coded. P.S. If any dev's get to reading this, I'd like to suggest the ability to drag & drop items (to auto-generate ID'ed links) into text areas would be very useful for my IGB message board.
storm2k5	Posted - 2007.01.16 11:09:00 - [16] Always nice to see usefull things for IGB. May I ask you a technical question? How did you get the Corp ID to display the corp image? I tried to get corp ID through host headers a while ago and it seemed not possible. thx /storm
Baron Oxes Hypermagic Mountain	Posted - 2007.01.16 11:09:00 - [17] Originally by: Kentaro Kawaii Yep, just send me an evemail next time server is online and i'll link you when I get back from my next class if someone doesn't beat me to it. The links are on these forums somewhere and I think it's stickied -- so look around. The documentation isn't entirely complete (as some pages are missing) but you can still play and toy with things on your own. Just keep in mind to use http://validator.w3.org/ (XHTML Transitional or XHTML Strict for perfect pages) to make sure everything's correctly coded. After all that I think I've found it, well I've found something anyway! http://bughunters.addix.net/igbtest/IGB-commands.html .. if this is the one then I guess I can get busy : )
Kentaro Kawaii	Posted - 2007.01.16 11:12:00 - [18] Originally by: storm2k5 Always nice to see usefull things for IGB. May I ask you a technical question? How did you get the Corp ID to display the corp image? I tried to get corp ID through host headers a while ago and it seemed not possible. thx /storm It is there. In addition, when corps sign up for an EveCorpSite, their corp ID is recorded in the website's configuration so it always shows up.
Kentaro Kawaii	Posted - 2007.01.16 21:33:00 - [19] Noted channel used in-game for discussion and volunteering to help.
Maestro Ulv Phaze-9	Posted - 2007.01.16 21:48:00 - [20] http://phaze9.moonmanstudio.com/ Some of us coded a full CMS with easy fit modules that works in game and out ages ago :) Including home grown forum modules and a killboard and secure login from IGB and external. Still, good work dude. I'm not bored, I'm merely in the Queue.

Kentaro Kawaii	Posted - 2007.01.16 22:13:00 - [21] Mine's better
Maestro Ulv Phaze-9	Posted - 2007.01.16 23:49:00 - [22] Ours is modular so thats debatable :p All i really was pointing out is that some of us bothered to program for the IGB. Im all for your project mate :) I'm not bored, I'm merely in the Queue.
Dai007 Caldari Crabbs	Posted - 2007.01.17 01:15:00 - [23] Edited by: Dai007 on 17/01/2007 01:13:32 Whats so special, not hard getting a functional website in the IGB. Anyone with any web programming experience can do it. Just another attempt of making money where you can easily do it yourself. Once you release it for ingame money, some1 is gonna either release it for free or make a similar thing for free. Just look at killboards.. Plus.. if you goto the website and click NO to the popup your game crashes lol
Raquel Smith Caldari Freedom-Technologies	Posted - 2007.01.17 02:25:00 - [24] Originally by: Kentaro Kawaii That page you're seeing took less than a week to set up operationally. The entire system takes a while because I'm trying to make it 100% XHTML-strict compatible for eve's minibrowser. More screenshots will be posted later as the service becomes more readily available. I didn't think the IGB understood an XHTML doctype much less the required application/xhtml+xml mimetype.
Alvar Ursidae Amarr Decisive Outcomes	Posted - 2007.01.17 02:58:00 - [25] Well if making money / ISK is the reason for not releasing it, sell it so others can host it themselves. I won't use it unless its on my own server, so I know it's MODERATELY secure. Though the PW is hashed out to the users, the server operators might be able to see it plain as day, and THAT is a concern. So how much to sell the code so others can host their own? -=services ò eve-stuff =-
Baron Oxes Hypermagic Mountain	Posted - 2007.01.17 10:29:00 - [26] Originally by: Raquel Smith I didn't think the IGB understood an XHTML doctype much less the required application/xhtml+xml mimetype. Isn't is application/html+xml? Speaking of browser support, does IE accept this yet or is it still broken? Ah, the wonderful world of browser compatibility : )
Raquel Smith Caldari Freedom-Technologies	Posted - 2007.01.17 12:35:00 - [27] Originally by: Baron Oxes Originally by: Raquel Smith I didn't think the IGB understood an XHTML doctype much less the required application/xhtml+xml mimetype. Isn't is application/html+xml? Speaking of browser support, does IE accept this yet or is it still broken? Ah, the wonderful world of browser compatibility : ) No. It is application/xhtml+xml; read RFC3236. I doubt IE7 supports it yet.
Virtuozzo eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.17 13:03:00 - [28] Wonderful initiative. That being said, no hosted solution is really going to take off, not in the light of times where character tracking sites sell the data, or where IGB games compile known IP's versus character ID's, or with a growing number of IGB sites "sharing" database exports once a while. You're tapping into an element of EVE which has only reently begun to rears its head, the element of information warfare and gathering. For the typical empire corp which goes unnoticed a hosted solution is fine, but where you see EVE corporations investing in "solutions" like MS Groove for their communications and data sharing to get away from the developing threat of forum exposure and all that it is clear that the concept of "sensitive data" is getting a new meaning. In a way it is sad that things are going this far, in another way it is just another element of warfare which albeit from out of game environments has bearing on in game affairs. A working IGB system would rock the world for a lot of people in EVE, it may be easy for those with coding skills but I gather that is a skill not many pilots have trained to level 5 in EVE. I would never go for a hosted solution, not even if I developed one myself and wanted to share it. There are better options imo. Ready a basic version, and make that free of charge, readily downloadable, plenty of Creative Common licenses applicable. Then put your enhanced features into seperate blocks which can be purchased, and work out a simple model for support plans (upgrades, fixes, etc.). Granted, people will rip it. But considering that happens with any good stuff it is to a degree a compliment, and the EVE community does have a sense of appreciation for people who go above and beyond, I do not have a doubt that if people can trust the code by seeing it and if they get hooked on the feature plans they will choose the commercial solution. Appreciation, lazyness, ease of use, security, they are all factors. All in all, so far so good, just please don't let the initiative die. And please do not let it get stuck in the whole "omgcanttrusthostedhaxxsploitcanyacopyit" syndrome. Basic version, Feature blocks, support, and a single visible callback mechanism to verify state and version and feature sets installed built in for your own billing. Virtuozzo RECRUITMENT TEASERS. Last words of a Caldari general: "Pull the Ravens back! Full retreat! they've got frigates!"
Kentaro Kawaii	Posted - 2007.01.17 15:21:00 - [29] Originally by: Virtuozzo Wonderful initiative. That being said, no hosted solution is really going to take off, not in the light of times where character tracking sites sell the data, or where IGB games compile known IP's versus character ID's, or with a growing number of IGB sites "sharing" database exports once a while. You're tapping into an element of EVE which has only reently begun to rears its head, the element of information warfare and gathering. For the typical empire corp which goes unnoticed a hosted solution is fine, but where you see EVE corporations investing in "solutions" like MS Groove for their communications and data sharing to get away from the developing threat of forum exposure and all that it is clear that the concept of "sensitive data" is getting a new meaning. In a way it is sad that things are going this far, in another way it is just another element of warfare which albeit from out of game environments has bearing on in game affairs. A working IGB system would rock the world for a lot of people in EVE, it may be easy for those with coding skills but I gather that is a skill not many pilots have trained to level 5 in EVE. I would never go for a hosted solution, not even if I developed one myself and wanted to share it. There are better options imo. Ready a basic version, and make that free of charge, readily downloadable, plenty of Creative Common licenses applicable. Then put your enhanced features into seperate blocks which can be purchased, and work out a simple model for support plans (upgrades, fixes, etc.). Granted, people will rip it. But considering that happens with any good stuff it is to a degree a compliment, and the EVE community does have a sense of appreciation for people who go above and beyond, I do not have a doubt that if people can trust the code by seeing it and if they get hooked on the feature plans they will choose the commercial solution. Appreciation, lazyness, ease of use, security, they are all factors. All in all, so far so good, just please don't let the initiative die. And please do not let it get stuck in the whole "omgcanttrusthostedhaxxsploitcanyacopyit" syndrome. Basic version, Feature blocks, support, and a single visible callback mechanism to verify state and version and feature sets installed built in for your own billing. Useful, will take that into consideration. Thanks for the ideas!
Sajago	Posted - 2007.01.21 11:33:00 - [30] plz tell me where i can get the icons from the left side ?



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