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Miles Winter Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic 12	Posted - 2015.12.18 07:53:44 - [1] - Quote I'm doing some research on missions and trying to figure out what sort of stuff I can expect to see from typical security missions. Does it matter if they're done in amarr space or elsewhere? (I'm focusing on amarr, probably out of penirgman) Are there any sort of loot drop tables I can look at?
Anize Oramara The Arch Dashing Dashers 708	Posted - 2015.12.18 08:50:33 - [2] - Quote Every faction has their own loot table. Generally corresponding to the way they tank, the weapons they use and what Ewar they use along with some generic stuff. You'll only find Meta 1-4 loot items and T1 ammo. A few specific missions drop implants, some useless, some worth a decent amount while some are random and others are guaranteed. Burners have a small chance of dropping faction loot and a good chance at dropping faction ammo. Generally the loot is not worth all that much and it's mostly not worth it from a isk/h standpoint to go back to a site with a noctis and loot the sites. Marauders can loot and salvage while running the mission and so is superior to just full clear in a non marauder for the most part. Blitzing missions and running burners offer the best isk/h if that's your thing. A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.04
Vartan Sarkisian Caldari Provisions Caldari State 178	Posted - 2015.12.18 09:31:52 - [3] - Quote Or drop a mobile tractor unit for each room (remembering to bookmark them) and come back for the loot (but dont bother salvaging it isnt worth it) I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All those moments will be lost in time... like tears in rain... Time to die.
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 4879	Posted - 2015.12.18 12:26:15 - [4] - Quote Zazzmatazz and Damsel have a chance to drop a 65m ISK implant. Damsel and Beserk have great loot and are worth salvaging (10m ISK). The "Enemies" (Caldari) series drops close to 185m ISK in salvage and tags. Scarlet drops a 8m ISK implant if you kill her in the 2nd or 3rd room. Angels Extravaganza usually drops a 8m ISK implant in the silo. These are all Lv4 missions. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 290	Posted - 2015.12.18 14:38:27 - [5] - Quote Miles Winter wrote: I'm doing some research on missions and trying to figure out what sort of stuff I can expect to see from typical security missions. Does it matter if they're done in amarr space or elsewhere? (I'm focusing on amarr, probably out of penirgman) Are there any sort of loot drop tables I can look at? Well CCP is currently in the process of rebalancing all meta items and making the T2 variants superior to meta 4. This is both good and bad. Good because it finally makes T2 items worth using. Bad because it greatly reduces the value of meta 4 items that often comes from mission loot. To make mission looting viable again, CCP needs to readjust the loot droppings in missions to allow the rats to NOW drop T2 items as the meta 4s are becoming more and more redundant. But atm the best loot comes from running missions in Amarr space. And from my experience, the only missions worth looting/salvaging are the following in order from the best to the last? (These are all level 4s btw) Smash the Supplier (50-60mill in total loot/salvage) Dread Pirate Scarlet (15-23mill in total loot/salvage) Vengeance (if bonus is at least 1.9mill) (8-23mill in total loot/salvage) Blockade (if bonus is at least 1.8mill) (10-16mill in total loot/salvage The Assault (if bonus is at least 1.9mill) (9-14mill in total loot/salvage) Gone Berzerk (9-12mill in total loot/salvage) Damsel in Distress (if bonus is at least 1.3mill) (Avg. 9-12mill in total loot/salvage) (rare 65mill Zor implant drop) The missions you want to kill for bounties without loot/salvage are the following: Worlds Collide Mordus Headhunters Angel Extravaganza (4th room silo drops an 1-17mill implant) Run all Team Burners, this is where you'll make the bulk of your isk running lev 4's for SOE. ( you can skip the Worm, and Succubus because they're a real pain sometimes)
Sobaan Tali Caldari Quick Reaction Force 708	Posted - 2015.12.18 18:58:24 - [6] - Quote Speaking of Scarlet, there use to be a bug where she would still show up in room 3 if you popped her in room 2, giving you potentially two +3 charisma imps and two 5M ticks from her. That still a thing or was that fixed like the respawns? I don't have a gunboat to run that to check myself. Yes, I'm one of those missile chucker weirdos, though I'm saving up for a Vargur. Also, from my experience (though I honestly don't care much nowadays to compare), most Guristas' and Serpentis ops tend to have less worthy loot tables, especially Guristas -- they don't drop ****. Blood Raiders, Sansha, EoM, and some Mercs ops tend to have a bit better tables and are worth at least dropping an MTU or two for some extra income. Faction missions are loot-only income, so no reason to not loot and salvage them. Run enough variety of missions and you'll soon develop an idea as to what kind of worth loot-wise missions will be when they get offered. I myself tend to no longer worry so much about the worth, as I either loot or don't nowadays based on whether I feel like taking the extra time to do so, faction missions being the exception -- again, always loot those, as you literally get nothing from those beyond LP without loot. Also, check the survival guide on specific mission offers; sometimes, unique looting opportunities like implant drops and such get posted there... http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=missionreports "Tomahawks?" "----in' A, right?" "Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each." "----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Chainsaw Plankton Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 2235	Posted - 2015.12.18 22:43:23 - [7] - Quote Sobaan Tali wrote: Speaking of Scarlet, there use to be a bug where she would still show up in room 3 if you popped her in room 2, giving you potentially two +3 charisma imps and two 5M ticks from her. That still a thing or was that fixed like the respawns? I don't have a gunboat to run that to check myself. Yes, I'm one of those missile chucker weirdos, though I'm saving up for a Vargur. you only get the implant in the third room, you can still get the double bounty. The catch is you have to one volley her as she "warps off" as soon as you take an offensive action. as far as the loot goes, its all junk imo. prices have crashed, it is almost always better to go run another mission than stick around collecting loot. If you know you are getting an implant like in dread pirate then yea sure go for it, especially since it is more or less already in tractor beam range. I don't shoot zor enough to know if he is worth looting, every time I do I seem to come up with nothing great. @ChainsawPlankto
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 13150	Posted - 2015.12.18 22:54:34 - [8] - Quote Missions give crap loot, unless you have crap skills, then a lot of its actually useful for a couple of weeks but it's not worth picking up to sell, Unless you're struggling to complete them quickly or have an alt to clean up after you the time would be better spent running another mission. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 13150	Posted - 2015.12.18 22:55:12 - [9] - Quote Derp, double post. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 1772	Posted - 2015.12.19 00:16:28 - [10] - Quote Some people claim you can still catch scarlet in a missile/drone boat by scramming her. Never tried it myself to say for sure. Also remember some of the storylines award implants. usually the generic 20 mill ones but I have occasionally got 160 mill plus mining implants from a storyline.

Sobaan Tali Caldari Quick Reaction Force 708	Posted - 2015.12.19 00:39:25 - [11] - Quote Hasikan Miallok wrote: Some people claim you can still catch scarlet in a missile/drone boat by scramming her. Never tried it myself to say for sure. Also remember some of the storylines award implants. usually the generic 20 mill ones but I have occasionally got 160 mill plus mining implants from a storyline. Pointing her would work in the past for room 2. I use to refit an old Tengu of mine with a faction scram and HAMs for just such an occasion back in the day, though that was before she started reappearing in the next room afterwards. Damn, come to think of it, maybe I should try that next time. Not sure how long she will wait for me to get into range to point her, though; not quite sure, but I think she only lingers in room 2 for a bit longer than room 3 if she's not engaged. Might need to try it with a disruptor since Marauders are not really know for their running speed. Now, I wish I had a Barghest. Ditto on the storyline imps. Just make sure you have some kernite or omber stashes (the regular variants, not the 5/10% yield ones) laying around just in case. "Tomahawks?" "----in' A, right?" "Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each." "----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 4880	Posted - 2015.12.19 04:36:11 - [12] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: as far as the loot goes, its all junk imo. prices have crashed, it is almost always better to go run another mission than stick around collecting loot. If you know you are getting an implant like in dread pirate then yea sure go for it, especially since it is more or less already in tractor beam range. I don't shoot zor enough to know if he is worth looting, every time I do I seem to come up with nothing great. Yeah, unless it's something like the "Enemies" series you'll be lucky to get 10-15m ISK in loot for missions like Damsel, Beserk, etc. For those I just drop a MTU, bookmark it and come back when I've got a half dozen to collect. Zor consistently pays off for me. I get the implant at least once a week - although I am running 3 agents at a time. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Tanuki Kittybeta Ripperoni in Pepperoni 45	Posted - 2015.12.20 11:56:37 - [13] - Quote Use a Marauder and make the enemy watch you loot and salvage their dead friends.
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 4883	Posted - 2015.12.20 15:21:27 - [14] - Quote Tanuki Kittybeta wrote: Use a Marauder and make the enemy watch you loot and salvage their dead friends. It would be more entertaining if you could adorn your hull with the rotting corpses. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 1776	Posted - 2015.12.20 23:34:41 - [15] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: Tanuki Kittybeta wrote: Use a Marauder and make the enemy watch you loot and salvage their dead friends. It would be more entertaining if you could adorn your hull with the rotting corpses. lol - you watch to much Firefly
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 4885	Posted - 2015.12.21 00:16:55 - [16] - Quote Hasikan Miallok wrote: lol - you watch to much Firefly You can never watch too much Firefly. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Tanuki Kittybeta Ripperoni in Pepperoni 45	Posted - 2015.12.21 10:27:54 - [17] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: Hasikan Miallok wrote: lol - you watch to much Firefly You can never watch too much Firefly. You can't take the sky from me
Gareth Mythros One Man Show Mining Inc. 8	Posted - 2015.12.21 14:11:59 - [18] - Quote I was running L3's last night trying to find a decent mining hole. I use a shield-tanked Ishtar (Yes, I know they're nerfed but they still work). I clear the zone, drop an MTU, unleash the salvage drones, and go get coffee. I was surprised to find that while it took me about four missions to find a good roid lineup, I'd collected four +3 implants, two on the last mission.
Voxinian 97	Posted - 2015.12.22 15:09:39 - [19] - Quote You will get mostly junk from missions, don't waste your time on it unless its BS loot. Since they nerved it it's really not worth the time.... at least not worth it to grab your Noctis afterwards.
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 1275	Posted - 2015.12.22 20:55:04 - [20] - Quote Except for the people claiming to make over 100 million an hour per account, its worth it to loot in level 4 missions. That's about the limit of the good missions after killing everything and looting it. Some factions drop more than others as mentioned. Here's a few I did last week (amount of slavage & drops): Serpentis Extravaganza 8 mil Dread Pirate 22 mil Gone Berserk 14 mil Vengeance 13 mil The Blockade 10 mil Those literally take a few minutes per room in a decent noctis. Marauders are also nice for the job, but will slow down your bounty ticks a bit. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á

Anize Oramara The Arch Dashing Dashers 710	Posted - 2015.12.22 21:28:40 - [21] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: Except for the people claiming to make over 100 million an hour per account, its worth it to loot in level 4 missions. That's about the limit of the good missions after killing everything and looting it. Some factions drop more than others as mentioned. Here's a few I did last week (amount of slavage & drops): Serpentis Extravaganza 8 mil Dread Pirate 22 mil Gone Berserk 14 mil Vengeance 13 mil The Blockade 10 mil Those literally take a few minutes per room in a decent noctis. Marauders are also nice for the job, but will slow down your bounty ticks a bit. You're not taking into account warping to and from the sites and reshipping. In a fast Machariel, with Warp Velocity rigs and implants you're looking at around 30-45 sec from sector to sector. A normal BS, without implants or rigs you'll be lucky to get across most sectors in 2min. Noctis is similarly slow. The actual salvaging and looting, especially if using MTUs is quite quick but it'll still be faster to do it in a marauder while you're shooting stuff and just grabbing the BS wrecks. Simply because you're not wasting double or triple your time in warp. That said if you like that kind of thing by all means. A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.04
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 4891	Posted - 2015.12.23 02:27:40 - [22] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: Except for the people claiming to make over 100 million an hour per account, its worth it to loot in level 4 missions. That's about the limit of the good missions after killing everything and looting it. Some factions drop more than others as mentioned. Those literally take a few minutes per room in a decent noctis. Marauders are also nice for the job, but will slow down your bounty ticks a bit. I like how you got the subtle dig in there... Having to come back with a Noctis is less efficient than salvaging as you go with a Marauder. The numbers you quote most likely include the 8m implant that Scarlet drops regardless, so in reality the take is around 14m. Marauders are perfectly fine for grinding through missions. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 1275	Posted - 2015.12.23 04:24:34 - [23] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: Cipher Jones wrote: Except for the people claiming to make over 100 million an hour per account, its worth it to loot in level 4 missions. That's about the limit of the good missions after killing everything and looting it. Some factions drop more than others as mentioned. Those literally take a few minutes per room in a decent noctis. Marauders are also nice for the job, but will slow down your bounty ticks a bit. I like how you got the subtle dig in there... Having to come back with a Noctis is less efficient than salvaging as you go with a Marauder. The numbers you quote most likely include the 8m implant that Scarlet drops regardless, so in reality the take is around 14m. Marauders are perfectly fine for grinding through missions. I do do that but not to you in this case, lol. I think you make it pretty clear your'e using 3 accounts; I'm saying people claiming to make 100 mil an hour+ with one account. Quote: You're not taking into account warping to and from the sites and reshipping. In a fast Machariel, with Warp Velocity rigs and implants you're looking at around 30-45 sec from sector to sector. A normal BS, without implants or rigs you'll be lucky to get across most sectors in 2min. Noctis is similarly slow. The actual salvaging and looting, especially if using MTUs is quite quick but it'll still be faster to do it in a marauder while you're shooting stuff and just grabbing the BS wrecks. Simply because you're not wasting double or triple your time in warp. That said if you like that kind of thing by all means. So 2 minutes to get there, 3 minutes to salvage, 2 minutes to get back. 2 nanos and an expanded cargohold in your noctis will salvage any single mission. Gone berserk would be about 135M an hour at 10 minutes. So would DPS without the implant drop. Serpentis Extravaganza would be about 80 mil an hour. Damsel in distress would be like 200 on a good day, 125 on a bad. I only use the noctis when using a regular BS for the mission, but they average out to be very similar in income. The noctis is on a different character on the same account so it takes a couple minutes to log in and out (twice). The more missions you consolidate, the more time you save. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 4892	Posted - 2015.12.23 05:01:48 - [24] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: I do do that but not to you in this case, lol. I think you make it pretty clear your'e using 3 accounts; I'm saying people claiming to make 100 mil an hour+ with one account. It's next to impossible to make 100m ISK/hour if you skip Burner and series missions like "Enemies". Even then, it really comes down to luck of the draw (sooner or later you run into a dry patch or your standings drop to the point where you can no longer decline missions as often). I think a realistic number for Marauders is probably somewhere in the 50-60m ISK/hour range, regardless if you shoot everything, shoot and loot or blitz for fast completion. Even with multiple characters I find I'm averaging 40-50m ISK/hour with occasional bursts to 80-100m ISK or higher - but these are the exceptions rather than the rule. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Sobaan Tali Caldari Quick Reaction Force 726	Posted - 2015.12.26 05:31:56 - [25] - Quote Btw, just tried using a point on Anire in room 2...doesn't work. She bails once the disruptor lands. I could try a scram next time, but doubt it will be any different. Scarlet was a glitchy mission when it first came out. I still remember horror stories of people trying to run the rooms, then returning in a Noctis and getting ambushed by bugged respawns. There was even rare moments of spawns not triggering at all in at least one of the rooms, or Anire not appearing until room 4. Still, for little more than the 20 or so minutes to get a bounty tic, +20M bounty (more if you, like me, run room 4 to completion), nearly 9K in LP, about 4M at turn-in, and a +3 slot 5 ain't bad at all, so can't really complain much. Shame I can't get that double kill in a missile platform, but it's not the end of the world. "Tomahawks?" "----in' A, right?" "Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each." "----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 291	Posted - 2015.12.26 06:06:08 - [26] - Quote Sobaan Tali wrote: Btw, just tried using a point on Anire in room 2...doesn't work. She bails once the disruptor lands. I could try a scram next time, but doubt it will be any different. Scarlet was a glitchy mission when it first came out. I still remember horror stories of people trying to run the rooms, then returning in a Noctis and getting ambushed by bugged respawns. There was even rare moments of spawns not triggering at all in at least one of the rooms, or Anire not appearing until room 4. Still, for little more than the 20 or so minutes to get a bounty tic, +20M bounty (more if you, like me, run room 4 to completion), nearly 9K in LP, about 4M at turn-in, and a +3 slot 5 ain't bad at all, so can't really complain much. Shame I can't get that double kill in a missile platform, but it's not the end of the world. Doesn't work, I've tried many times in the past when I couldn't use Marauders. Now I just group my Tachyons loaded with Navy Multi (Arty + Republic EM rounds if using a Vargur), heat guns and blast her off the field everytime.
Celthric Kanerian Ascendance Of New Eden Workers Trade Federation 568	Posted - 2015.12.27 12:09:16 - [27] - Quote Vartan Sarkisian wrote: Or drop a mobile tractor unit for each room (remembering to bookmark them) and come back for the loot (but dont bother salvaging it isnt worth it) Yeah cause 10-20 million in Salvage isn't worth it at all...
Kitty Bear Harbingers of Chaos Inc Gentlemen's.Club 1529	Posted - 2015.12.27 15:28:58 - [28] - Quote A long time ago I used to spend the time looting and salvaging missions. From memory the only difference between L4's and the lower rated missions was the volume of 'stuff' collected. basically .. the same ****, just more of it.
Chainsaw Plankton Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 2251	Posted - 2015.12.27 20:36:52 - [29] - Quote Celthric Kanerian wrote: Vartan Sarkisian wrote: Or drop a mobile tractor unit for each room (remembering to bookmark them) and come back for the loot (but dont bother salvaging it isnt worth it) Yeah cause 10-20 million in Salvage isn't worth it at all... if I'm going to make 30m in isk/lp in that same time then right it isn't worth it. Arthur Aihaken wrote: Cipher Jones wrote: I do do that but not to you in this case, lol. I think you make it pretty clear your'e using 3 accounts; I'm saying people claiming to make 100 mil an hour+ with one account. It's next to impossible to make 100m ISK/hour if you skip Burner and series missions like "Enemies". Even then, it really comes down to luck of the draw (sooner or later you run into a dry patch or your standings drop to the point where you can no longer decline missions as often). I think a realistic number for Marauders is probably somewhere in the 50-60m ISK/hour range, regardless if you shoot everything, shoot and loot or blitz for fast completion. Even with multiple characters I find I'm averaging 40-50m ISK/hour with occasional bursts to 80-100m ISK or higher - but these are the exceptions rather than the rule. well that looks like lv3 income. @ChainsawPlankto
Sobaan Tali Caldari Quick Reaction Force 731	Posted - 2015.12.27 20:55:50 - [30] - Quote Celthric Kanerian wrote: Vartan Sarkisian wrote: Or drop a mobile tractor unit for each room (remembering to bookmark them) and come back for the loot (but dont bother salvaging it isnt worth it) Yeah cause 10-20 million in Salvage isn't worth it at all... Not that I disbelieve you, 'cause I really don't know, but what missions have 10-20M in salvage? Most missions I've ran I'd be lucky to see more than about 5-6M in salvage IF I salvage absolutely everything. The most I've seen was a good 8M from BR Blockade. Most of the time, I just let my salvage drones go OFP and get what they can unless I need my hobs to chew up tackle, then I pull them in and bounce when I'm done, leaving the rest. "Tomahawks?" "----in' A, right?" "Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each." "----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."



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