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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
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Posted - 2016.01.13 01:32:27 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Caleb Seremshur wrote:You really should know better. So because i sometimes take outrageous risks against the odds in keeping with the purpose of using a kite, my simple supply/demand explanation of fundamental economic activity is to be disregarded? Hmmm,ok lol. Id have hoped all that time chaining belts would give you time to construct a more coherent response. I guess there is a cognitive bottleneck. You talk about risk but you have a childs understanding of it. I risk towers worth billions per month each whether I undock or not. Simple inaction on my part is more risky than your garmurs. You're confusing a reflection for the nights sky: whelping a frigate worth more than some battleships isn't impressive.
I personally accumulated ~30 billion isk this month with a little effort and minimal risk. When i said you were thinking like a nullbear its comments exactly like this one that proves my point. Assets in space are content generators, not content.
Please, do carry on explaining how you are just bad at EVE.
I dont make the rules, i just use and enjoy them. Unlike most of the miserable whiners on these forums :) |
Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
725
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Posted - 2016.01.13 02:47:56 -
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*golf clap* it's not hard to make money you plebeian.
Why do you think I even live in null? For the fights. Getting paid to do my job ain't nothing to sniff at when you hit capital fleet sizes.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
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Ria Nieyli
38581
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Posted - 2016.01.13 06:34:00 -
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The only one whining in here is you, Crosi.
Stay free. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1666
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Posted - 2016.01.13 11:29:12 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:*golf clap* it's not hard to make money you plebeian.
Why do you think I even live in null? For the fights. Getting paid to do my job ain't nothing to sniff at when you hit capital fleet sizes.
My kb shows 225 cap kills and 3 cap losses. Some months dreadnaught was my most used ship. Not sure how many kills i have while using caps but its probably quite a few. More kills than you have ever made no doubt.
Your kb shows zero cap kills and zero cap losses.
Now, im not saying this disproves your explanation for why gal mil lp retains its value better than most. Im just responding to your absurd assertion that because you are 2 bit moom manager, or because you claim to have been involved in some level of cap escallation, that my supply/demand explanation of gal mil lp values is not correct.
Lets take a step back.Obviously i have offended you and your epeening attempts have fallen quite short. All lp stores have good isk/lp while the faction is doing badly in occupancy and all lp stores crash when their faction hits high tiers.
Some factions isk/lp/tier-level correlation is lagged out due to an abundance of available LP generated items from historical farming. Gal mil has never been the target of a huge farming effort (beyond inferno) as our LP is just harder to farm. All other factions have.
Not to say gal mil doesnt have good items in its store. But so do all factions.
Of course if you are still offended, rebut by argument with a tale of that one time you got an officer spawn after only 4 hours of chaining belts. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1666
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Posted - 2016.01.13 11:31:08 -
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double post |
ValentinaDLM
Khushakor Clan Of Questionable Repute
840
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Posted - 2016.01.13 11:37:42 -
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So much attempting to wave around an E-peen in this thread, it is downright silly. I have a fun time playing this game, and I don't care if my LP is worth alot or a little, I still enjoy it. |
Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
725
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Posted - 2016.01.13 15:19:30 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Caleb Seremshur wrote:*golf clap* it's not hard to make money you plebeian.
Why do you think I even live in null? For the fights. Getting paid to do my job ain't nothing to sniff at when you hit capital fleet sizes. My kb shows 225 cap kills and 3 cap losses. Some months dreadnaught was my most used ship. Not sure how many kills i have while using caps but its probably quite a few. More kills than you have ever made no doubt. Your kb shows zero cap kills and zero cap losses. Now, im not saying this disproves your explanation for why gal mil lp retains its value better than most. Im just responding to your absurd assertion that because you are 2 bit moom manager, or because you claim to have been involved in some level of cap escallation, that my supply/demand explanation of gal mil lp values is not correct. Lets take a step back.Obviously i have offended you and your epeening attempts have fallen quite short. All lp stores have good isk/lp while the faction is doing badly in occupancy and all lp stores crash when their faction hits high tiers. Some factions isk/lp/tier-level correlation is lagged out due to an abundance of available LP generated items from historical farming. Gal mil has never been the target of a huge farming effort (beyond inferno) as our LP is just harder to farm. All other factions have. Not to say gal mil doesnt have good items in its store. But so do all factions. Even if we did have a better overall spread of items, would that not be fair since for quite some time weve been running missions in prots and tengus compaired to other factions using bombers? Of course if you are still offended, rebut by argument with a tale of that one time you got an officer spawn after only 4 hours of chaining belts.
Razor logi doesn't use combat drones or tagging weapons. Kill boards are a poor reflection of activity.
I'm getting back in to capital manufacturing after 3 years break. My two alts are dead in the water and haven't been subbed for about that length of time and I have no intention of resubbing them.
The only noteworthy item calmil had to offer for years until recently was cnbcs. Maybe cn shield booster amps. Compared to the popularity of galmil store items I have no idea wtf you're talking about. Really mate.
I can't comment on relative levels of farming but I'd be interested to know where your 30bil per month comes from.
As for that golem you are no doubt referencing it's kind of cute really you're digging up something from 2+ years ago that even I barely remember as some kind of evidence of... anything? Right now I could be running guristas missions for hundreds of mil per hour. But I dont. I could go back to aridia and resume manufacturing boosters with the stuff I left behind. But I don't. I could go back to wormholes and make a 500mil an hour krabbing there in c4s like I did. But I don't.
Because I'm not a null bear. I didn't move there for safety or to take advantage of whatever conceited shams they have out there *(and there are a lot). This exchange has been amusing but you're delusional if you think I give one flying **** about anyones capital kills when the whole of nullsec ia holding out for incoming major changes to cap warfare. Your accomishments are not interesting or impressive. Noone cares but you.
Maybe I should just jump back in my boosted rook and come back to fw so I can fly my 4bil hg pod like I used to. Ever seen that joke gif about the bouncing cars? That's you.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1666
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Posted - 2016.01.13 16:25:50 -
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I dont argue in gifs, but could you please be any more of a stereotypical nullbear in doing so lol.
So a quick look thought items with reasonable volume. im sure this list is not exhaustive;
CN-Hookbill CN-Raven CN-Osprey CN-Crapacal CN-Drake CN-LSE CN-Vespa CN-Warden CN-PDU CN-Wasp Datacores Cap Boosters CN-Hornet CN-Torps CN-MSE
They all come in at over 1000isk/lp. Some of them well over. The actual value is dictated by supply and demand. Volume of sales would indicate that there is reasonable demand with gallente having the greater volume on smaller hulls and caldari having greater volume of the BC/BS hulls. Therefor the supply seems to be what regulates the isk/lp value.
And i was not referencing a golem, but its interesting that you have a story to tell. I was referencing your repeated use of seemingly unrelated anecdotes to prove me wrong about the LP store lol. I just suggested that you next used an anecdote that any nullbear would be familiar with.
You are not a nullbear? You are a risk taker and a move maker? It sounds like someone has palmed off one of the most boring jobs in eve to you for little reward and you think its a good thing lol. You fly only logistics whos biggest risk is having it SRP'd if you lose it so its not like you are risking anything. You my friend are a fully fledged cool aid drinking nullbear.
Also, i didnt bring up cap fights, you did. I just responded to you.
As for the ISK, i didnt say i earned 30bil every month. I just did this month. I could make it every month if i wanted to. Given the tea leaves i just decided that it was a good time to make hay while the sun was shining. |
Lucy Callagan
SnaiLs aNd FroGs WE FORM V0LTA
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Posted - 2016.01.13 17:15:17 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:
I personally accumulated ~30 billion isk this month
Money doesn't make happiness, give me a bit so I can share your sadness.
Frugu.net
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Fourteen Maken
Omega Industry Inc. The Ditanian Alliance
256
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Posted - 2016.01.13 21:35:34 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:I dont argue in gifs, but could you please be any more of a stereotypical nullbear in doing so lol.
So a quick look thought items with reasonable volume. im sure this list is not exhaustive;
CN-Hookbill CN-Raven CN-Osprey CN-Crapacal CN-Drake CN-LSE CN-Vespa CN-Warden CN-PDU CN-Wasp Datacores Cap Boosters CN-Hornet CN-Torps CN-MSE
They all come in at over 1000isk/lp. Some of them well over. The actual value is dictated by supply and demand. Volume of sales would indicate that there is reasonable demand with gallente having the greater volume on smaller hulls and caldari having greater volume of the BC/BS hulls. Therefor the supply seems to be what regulates the isk/lp value. .
You keep deliberately missing the point because you don't want to admit there's a problem (but i think you know there is)
When gallente are consistently at least 1 tier in front of caldari for a long time caldari lp should be worth a lot more, but up until recently gallente lp has been worth more. The fact is gallente navy ships are about the same price as caldari navy ships but they are being used far more, by about 3:1 when i checked. that has nothing to do with missioning or farming or anything else, if missioning or lp stockpiles were a factor there would be more caldari lp in the system do i'd expect to see more caldari ships in space but that's definitely not happening.
basically gallente have better ships which means more demand and better prices for their lp. as far as im concerned it cheapens everything, like playing a game with cheats on. |
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1667
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Posted - 2016.01.13 23:13:42 -
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If by 'worth the same' you mean caldari ships are worth about 20% more then yes, they are worth the same.
If by used more you mean that comets and vexors/exeq outsell their counterparts by about 25% volume but raven and drake navy outsell their gallente counterparts by even more of a margin with the added bonus of being a much larger LP sponge with every navy raven sold being equal to 25 coments. More than making up the difference and representing at least a compatible LP sink.
You also have one major misconception.The amount of LP circulating does not drive the ships being used. The amount of lp simply drives the isk value of LP. When i talk about volumes im referring to the number of ships being sold in Jita, which contrary to your persecution complex, does not seem to represent any significant problem. |
Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
725
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Posted - 2016.01.13 23:46:17 -
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Did you know I used to get srp for fw and lowsec as well? Its part of why you pay corp taxes to start with.
It was never an anecdote to mention you're a pleb who flies probably 4-6bil worth of equipment in cancer fit garmurs with links to club seals in fw. And then you have the nerve to pretend that you're special meanwhile noone writes articles about you.
I don't have a "job" in null. That's not how it works. I personally have nothing to do with towers.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1667
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Posted - 2016.01.14 00:01:18 -
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Never said i was special. What insecurity in your personality made you think i did?
Clearly you have taken my nullbear comment very personally. Since then you have done nothing but display your shamefully small epeen for all to see. That was a mistake from where im sitting. |
Fourteen Maken
Omega Industry Inc. The Ditanian Alliance
256
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Posted - 2016.01.14 00:27:05 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:If by 'worth the same' you mean caldari ships are worth about 20% more then yes, they are worth the same.
You have one major misconception.The amount of LP circulating does not drive the ships being used. The amount of lp simply drives the isk value of LP. When i talk about volumes im referring to the number of ships being bought in Jita, which contrary to your persecution complex, does not seem to represent any significant 3:1 problem.
Comet 200/day - 2,000,000 LP Hookbill 125/day - 1,250,000 LP
Vexor NI - 170/day - 7,650,000 LP Crapacal NI - 30/day - 1,350,000 LP
Exeq NI - 15/day - 675,000 LP Osprey NI - 35/day - 1,575,000 LP
Brutix NI - 30/day - 3,000,000 LP Drake NI - 45/day - 4,500,000 LP
Dominix NI - 10/day - 2,500,000 LP Raven NI - 25/day - 6,250,000 LP
Gal mil hulls = 15.8m LP/day Cal mil hulls = 11.5m LP/day
While gal mil ships are outselling the cal mil ships. The 3:1 ratio from your imagination is not reflected in a cursory examination of the jita market. Gallente are earning 75% more LP per effort than cal mil. If your premise was correct you would expect to see our ships being sold at a 75% higher rate and then some extra to describe the 'fact that gallente ships are also better'
Since that is not the case, i would again point out that the supply of LP would just seem to be relatively low which insulates gal mil from extended periods of market collapse. This has been the case for years, and nothing has happened to change it.
I used z-kill data because market data is unreliable, especially jita which is in caldari space 3 jumps away from the closest sprot lp store, the markets in rens, amarr, and dodixie would all be skewed to their relative factions.
Quote:In eve demand is driven by destruction, and the best way to gauge demand for lp in the case of faction warfare is to look at how many Navy ships were lost, and multiply that by the lp cost of each ship. It's more reliable than any metrics you'll get from market data in trade hubs. e.g. a player buys a Navy Raven from you that's 250k lp cashed in and you might forget about it and move on, but from the point of view of the overall market for SPROT lp that 250k lp isn't really cashed out until the ship gets destroyed. The player can still sell the ship to someone else at a later date effectively cancelling his original purchase, and it can change hands multiple times, each transaction registering on the graphs of trade hubs but still only 1 purchase from the LP store and only 250k lp sold. Only when the ship gets destroyed is your 250k SPROT lp consumed and flushed from the market, the player might chose to buy another or he might not it doesn't matter, he can't sell it on again. Compare the pve ships Caldari have with high volume ships like the Fed Navy Comet, or the Navy Vexor, those ships are constantly getting destroyed always creating fresh demand for more FDU lp. That's a good thing, but Caldari and Minmattar really need a couple of ships like that too or they are at a disadvantage.
Faction Frigates
1. Navy Slicer: 41,281 destroyed = 412 281 000 lp 2. Fed Navy Comet: 39,150 destroyed = 391 500 000 lp 3. Fleet Firetail: 21,435 destroyed = 214 350 000 lp 4. Navy Hookbill: 11,337 destroyed = 113 370 000 lp
Faction Cruisers
1. Vexor Navy: 18,813 destroyed = 846 585 000 lp 2. Navy Omen: 9,459 destroyed = 425 655 000 lp 3. Scythe FI: 4,418 destroyed = 198 810 000 lp 4. Stabber FI: 3,890 destroyed = 175 050 000 lp 5. Aug Navy Issue: 3,030 destroyed = 136 350 000 lp 6. Exequror Navy Issue: 1,861 destroyed = 83 745 000 lp 7. Navy Caracal: 1,251 destroyed = 56 295 000 lp 8. Navy Osprey: 612 destroyed = 27 540 000 lp
Faction Battlecruisers
1. Navy Brutix: 1,227 destroyed = 122 700 000 lp 2. Fleet Cane: 930 destroyed = 93 000 000 lp 3. Navy Drake: 814 destroyed = 81 400 000 lp 4. Navy Harbinger: 738 destroyed = 73 800 000 lp
Faction Battleships
1. Raven Navy Issue: 976 destroyed = 244 000 000 lp 2. Navy Apocalypse: 927 destroyed = 231 750 000 lp 3. Tempest Fleet Issue: 602 destroyed = 150 500 000 lp 4. Navy Megathron: 570 destroyed = 142 500 000 lp 5. Typhoon Fleet Issue: 492 destroyed = 123 000 000 lp 6. Scorpion Navy Issue: 416 destroyed = 104 000 000 7. Navy Dominix: 367 destroyed = 91 750 000 8. Navy Geddon: 210 destroyed = 52 500 000
Anyway I did this before the december changes because fdu lp was trading for about 1400 isk/lp dumping onto sell orders and caldari were getting about 1200 isk/LP despite you being 2 tiers higher and people were trying to tell me it's just because calmil farmers and missioners were flooding the market with ships but that was clearly not the case. gallente were able to sell three times more lp and still get a higher price for it because they had better ships. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
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Posted - 2016.01.14 00:35:15 -
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Volume of ships sold is a better indication of the forces on LP value than ships destroyed. Its a direct correlation. There couldve been several billion hookbills sold that have not died. Also, raven navy is a ratting boat so it would be expected for them to die at lower frequencies.
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Fourteen Maken
Omega Industry Inc. The Ditanian Alliance
256
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Posted - 2016.01.14 01:00:42 -
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I don't agree but it doesn't matter anymore because a lot changed after that and it's much better now. Caldari got the navy osprey buff, minmattar got the fleet cane both should be big markets. if the fleet stabber got a buff to pg, and they try something different with the navy caracal (i'd like it changed for a navy moa) i'd call it balanced and nobody in faction war would be worse off. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1667
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Posted - 2016.01.14 01:19:50 -
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Fourteen Maken wrote:I don't agree but it doesn't matter anymore because a lot changed after that and it's much better now. Caldari got the navy osprey buff, minmattar got the fleet cane both should be big markets. if the fleet stabber got a buff to pg, and they try something different with the navy caracal (i'd like it changed for a navy moa) i'd call it balanced and nobody in faction war would be worse off.
You disagree that the number of ships sold is a better metric than ships destroyed when examining LP values? It doesnt matter if no ships of a certain type are destroyed if they have steady sales numbers.
Sure, you are imagining a saturation point, but for the purposes of the LP store value there is no evidence that any ship has reached saturation no matter how few times it dies. Sales numbers are fairly constant. |
Fourteen Maken
Omega Industry Inc. The Ditanian Alliance
256
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Posted - 2016.01.14 01:41:10 -
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saturation is the word i was looking for, pvp ships are like consumables and pve ships are more like durable goods.
There are a couple of things killboard stats don't account for: player turnover, so a player joins eve buys ships and keeps them in his hangar for good, or leaves with those ships still in his hangar - they are effectively cashed out of the lp market. Or pve ships getting destroyed in missions by npc's so they are not as accurate as raw data from the actual lp stores, but these numbers are insignificant compared with the demand created by pvp, and it's much better than trade volumes in jita which could just as easily be station traders and speculators selling the same ship over and over again, or even just regular players buying a navy raven and selling it again when they skill into a golem, it's the same lp but it's showing in the market data multiple times. |
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1667
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Posted - 2016.01.14 01:50:17 -
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Fourteen Maken wrote:saturation is the word i was looking for, pvp ships are like consumables and pve ships are more like durable goods.
But they are all still selling a good rates. So saturation does not apply. It could theoretically apply in the future. But why base your current claims on something that hasnt happened yet?
Its like making your financial decisions on the basis that the sun is going to go nova in several billion years. |
Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
725
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Posted - 2016.01.14 05:56:50 -
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Crosi Wesdo wrote:Never said i was special. What insecurity in your personality made you think i did? Also, perhaps you are under the impression that once a thread goes to the next page, that all previous comments are lost? Caleb Seremshur wrote:I risk towers worth billions per month Caleb Seremshur wrote:Getting paid to do my job ain't nothing to sniff at Clearly you have taken my nullbear comment very personally. Since then you have done nothing but display your shamefully small epeen for all to see. That was a mistake from where im sitting.
Probably the part where you talked about your extreme risks. In a garmur. Where other people have said it all before.
It's that sense of communal ownership that makes a nation a nation. An empire an empire. Yeah you might not have any real power over it but you are still a part of it and without a sense of ownership over where you live what are you even playing in null for?
There's no epeen but yours being wagged throwing your sad achievements around.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
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Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
725
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Posted - 2016.01.14 06:00:26 -
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You need to seperate sales from LP store vs market.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1668
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Posted - 2016.01.14 10:22:22 -
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Caleb Seremshur wrote:Crosi Wesdo wrote:Never said i was special. What insecurity in your personality made you think i did? Also, perhaps you are under the impression that once a thread goes to the next page, that all previous comments are lost? Caleb Seremshur wrote:I risk towers worth billions per month Caleb Seremshur wrote:Getting paid to do my job ain't nothing to sniff at Clearly you have taken my nullbear comment very personally. Since then you have done nothing but display your shamefully small epeen for all to see. That was a mistake from where im sitting. Probably the part where you talked about your extreme risks. In a garmur. Where other people have said it all before. It's that sense of communal ownership that makes a nation a nation. An empire an empire. Yeah you might not have any real power over it but you are still a part of it and without a sense of ownership over where you live what are you even playing in null for? There's no epeen but yours being wagged throwing your sad achievements around.
Lots of people risk a lot of isk doing silly stuff. Wonder why you think that is special?
Also, that was a very stirring admission to being a nullbear, Well done! |
Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
725
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Posted - 2016.01.14 14:09:35 -
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Totally ignoring again my history with FW, lowsec empire, highsec wardeccing, industry, wormholes etcetera......
Going to the part of space that the ******* game is centrally designed to support is now a bad thing I didn't know? Pity me I didn't realise that all the big updates that have been 2+ years in the design phase and coming this year were only meant for lowsec champions like yourself but oh wait I'm not even sure if any of those player built structures are even designed for your space. Shame I can't be bothered checking because the limitations of lowsec on gameplay are irrelevant to me in my current occupation.
Crosi - really. stahp, comparing me to ideological extremists is patently ridiculous.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1668
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Posted - 2016.01.14 14:38:05 -
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I didnt say being a nullbear was a bad thing. Wow, this has really hurt you. Im sorry.
Im sure you are teh best player in eve. TBH props, it must be hard getting all that solo/small gang experience mentioned in you sig while flying logistics in 250 man fleets lol. |
Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
725
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Posted - 2016.01.15 03:35:41 -
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I can't tell if its the whiskey or the laughing that has given me a dry throat.
You're out of touch mate. Also you don't understand the meaning of advocate?
Let's have an impartial rundown of where we are right now. In lowsec you are being the same guy that I remember from 2 years ago. Today in venal razor is fighting a 3v1 war with OOS+2 v RZR over control of moons, pocos and a jf route complete with npc stations that let anyone dock. Just last night we reinforced 4 towers. Hopefully OOS will come to defend at least one of them with their capital fleet. To date both alliances have titans deployed but not really any supers.
This exchange demonstrates I'm a null bear by your metric. I'm OK with being a small cog in a big machine. To each their own Crosi if you have only ever known dominion or tower sov that's your perogative not mine. Doesn't change the fact that you fly coward fit garmurs with links and pat yourself on the back for each newbie you kill.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
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Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
1670
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Posted - 2016.01.15 04:14:06 -
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Out of touch how?
I know the meaning of the word advocate. I also know the meaning of the word veteran. Are you suggesting that you are a veteran advocate or a veteran of small gang and solo? If you mean veteran advocate with very limited solo small gang experience i would accept that. |
Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
725
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Posted - 2016.01.15 07:21:23 -
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I advocate small gang because that's where I started and it's a part of the game that doesn't get enough dev attention. Level 5's, burner missions, facwar missions as a couple of examples of things that aren't strictly designed for small gang but could have been and had the balls to drive it home. As it stands nearly all of these things can be solo'd by frigates or kitey HACs because ccp need that everywhere all the time? Small gang pvp can maybe siege towers in wormholes, the proliferation of OGB (going to die soon we hope) making true solo harder than ever. Small fleets are my preferred space - 3-5 ships including ewar and a logi.
Since moving to null that hasn't happened like it used to. Which is sad but I'm ok with that. The last such fleet cost me a naga.
What you're doing is the equivalent of driving a DD straight in to flat arc range of enemy CA and then feeling proud of yourself. Risk is relative. Yes I get paid to do what I do, I also make money through other channels without ever shooting a rat or mining. I manufacture in order to stimulate local economy instead of importing or building in high.
Because buying off your own people just sometimes makes more sense. It's about providing the best service to your own alliance. Getting kills personally isn't that important in the long run as compared to supplying ships at 40% of jita cost. Null is objective based gameplay. It requires a more diverse range of personalities than other spaces, the same as wormholes can cause problems for an entirely different kind of player. Bravery is relative too, flying in to a fight you know you're going to die in no matter what you do.
I'd really love to see your citation about the cfcs population. Normalised for awols and alts of course. Lastly in reference to an above point I think I make far more profit from the labor of my alliance members than I pay in fees to Papa Bee. In fact by my own accounting I've spent probably about 40bil on bpcs/bpos and minerals in the last 6 month and turned profit on it the whole way through. Tax for goons? 180mil. Thats it. That's what they've made from me. My value to an organisation isn't simply measured by kb statistics. If this is being a nullbear like you originally said then I'm cool with that because butterfly effect and so on aka my work isn't that easy to calculate value for.
In time I'm sure I will be in the right timezone to fight in one of our lowsec skirmishes again but as it is they all take place at 4am local which is a damn shame for me.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
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Silverbackyererse
The Church of Awesome
185
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Posted - 2016.01.15 09:08:25 -
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This thread is now going places.
Caleb and Crosi could go maybe go places too. I suggest somewhere with a free bottle of bubbles, complimentary chocolates and a nice hot tub where you can work on each others extremely tight shoulder muscles in privacy.
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Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
725
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Posted - 2016.01.15 09:40:02 -
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Silverbackyererse wrote:This thread is now going places. Caleb and Crosi could go maybe go places too. I suggest somewhere with a free bottle of bubbles, complimentary chocolates and a nice hot tub where you can work on each others extremely tight shoulder muscles in privacy.
I prefer men. With hair on their chin. As you can plainly see Crosi has a girls face.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
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Roy Henry
Black Fox Marauders
50
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Posted - 2016.01.15 14:47:57 -
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I love people who don't understand the metagame of a fw career at all. Even better are those who claim to have experience in fw and still don't understand the work individual pilots put in that make the dynamic fw lifestyle what it is.
To claim crosi does not partake in content that is any more or less impactful or fuffilling compared to that of a nullsec pilot clearly demonstrates that you do not understand what pilots like him do on a daily or weekly cycle to help maintain the gal cal region.
Those of us, both pilots and corps that care about having an impact in the region we live are rewarded by getting to visually see our work in action in the security of the systems we defend.
The feeling is similarly visceral when you get lazy and watch things burn down around you.
I'm not saying null or fw "sov" mechanics are any more rewarding, but I think people overlook the huge amount of meta gaming that goes on, as well as completely voluntary dedication of pilots and corps that work together to achieve goals big and small.
If you like being part of null empire building mechanics, try getting involved in fw on an organizational level, you will probably like it. |
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