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Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.12.20 17:14:05 -
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DHuncan wrote:Well we obviously dont see things the same way. Seems more important than 'what I have' the thing 'others cannot have' I understand the cultural background where all this comes from. I am sorry also some see the only way to make isk is to find broken mechanics and my fault here was to honor those who imo are exceptional players and in such proportion I thought they deserve something as unique as they are. Fee subscription is too much? if you say so.
They're not exceptional and they're not unique. They're just players who've stuck around for a long time GÇö that is its own reward (or they would have left).
And yes, handing out the equivalent of 12bn+ ISK a year for no good reason to the people who need it the least definitely qualify as GÇ£too much.GÇ¥ If you want to honour them because you look up to them for some reason, by all means, do so. Just don't ask CCP for something you can do yourself.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.12.20 18:56:43 -
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DHuncan wrote:Exceptional, by definition, are those who are not the norm but the exception. I think the still alive Beta timers deserve the tag of exceptional by definition. By that definition, they should also give out free subscriptions to all new players. So why aren't you proposing that?
No, they're not exceptional GÇö not even by definition GÇö because there's nothing that really sets them apart from other players. Having been around for a while is not something special and, as mentioned, only demonstrates that they don't need to be GÇ£honouredGÇ¥ for just keeping themselves entertained.
Quote:You think the equivalent of 12b+ isk a year is a lot? Fine, that is an opinion, but it would not be for not good reason. No. I'm saying that it's too much. As in GÇ£there's no reason they should be given anything for free, and especially not something others struggle to raise.GÇ¥ Players being entertained by an entertainment product is not a reason to give that product away for free. Quite the opposite.
This is a competitive game, where the economy sits at the centre of the whole competition. You are suggesting that the people who are in the least need of aid in that competition should be given additional advantages just because they've been competing a bit longer than others. It's outright nonsensical. If you want to see them GÇ£honouredGÇ¥ then that can happen without affecting the economy or the competitive environment GÇö give them pink text on the forums or something. Indeed, that would be the only way it could happen without being horribly ill-conceived and disruptive.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.12.20 19:10:07 -
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Solecist Project wrote:
I disagree.
Pink text would be horribly disruptive...
I want that now. ^_^
Well, yes. It would still be socially disruptive as people would covet this distinguishing mark intensely and rage over how long it would take to earn. I was speaking more of actual gameplay. 
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.12.20 19:24:37 -
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Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
pink text on the forums would get you wardeced by literally everyone that read it every time you posted.
im in favour of this
It wouldn't label that as GÇ£disruptiveGÇ¥, though. More like GÇ£awesomeGÇ¥.
I'm also trying to find the thread on the old forums where one of the GMs conferred this status on someone as a punishment, of all things.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.12.20 20:40:54 -
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First
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=627124&page=2#35
Then
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=627124&page=2#45
And finally
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=627841
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.12.21 10:23:17 -
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DHuncan wrote:A perfect example of a demagogue. I mean, really? did you even think before posting this? Are you asking me or yourself? Your argument certainly doesn't feel very thought-through. Again, you haven't really presented any reason why old players should be granted this unnecessary advantage other than a reason that applies equally well to a category of players that would be far better served by receiving it.
Quote:So since there is not two characters exactly the same and we are all unique, then I should ask also for something to every one? By your reasoning of honouring the exceptional, yes.
Quote:I asked to create a game mechanic that would give them the plex out of thin air. GǪand provided no sensible reason why such a massive disruption should be allowed to happen.
That's a very good point. Unfortunately, it's a point against your idea as previously described.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.12.21 12:01:58 -
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DHuncan wrote:A reason for a reward is gratitude and recognition. GǪwhich they need becauseGǪ?
And again, why do you want the devs to do that when you can provide it perfectly yourself?
Quote:You call my proposal an unfair advantage. I see that as they would not have to spend resources in PLEX while they instead would use isk to advance further in whatever area. That makes it an unfair advantage. They are given something for nothing, and this directly translates into an in-game advantage GÇö one that they need less than anyone else.
EVE is not a game of unfair advantages GÇö it's one of whatever advantage you can carve out for yourself. Everyone has the opportunity and tools to make them, which makes it a remarkably fair system. If that's not how you gain the advantage GÇö if it is indeed unfair GÇö it is pretty much universally called an exploit and gets you banned in short order. Dev favouritism once plagued the game and became such a burden that CCP had to institute a panel of player representative to try ot placate the massive outrage this caused.
Quote:In a sophistic way you try to misshape the relation between exceptions that deserve rewards with all exceptions. No. I am simply using your utter lack of coherent logic to demonstrate its absurd consequences, thereby showing that you haven't thought your idea through and that the reasoning behind it is nonsensical.
Quote:Now you are failing to explain why EVE being a war game would come against my point of rewarding veterans GǪexcept, of course, that I did describe it. You were just incapable of actually addressing the point made.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2015.12.21 14:19:54 -
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DHuncan wrote:I didnt say they need it I said it would be a nice gesture from the game to them that I would support. In other words, there's no particular reason to do so.
Quote:I cannot provide a plex per month per Beta timer, nor create a unique item or feature in game. You can trivially provide the gratitude and recognition you think they've somehow deserved. No need to get developers involved. If you feel so strongly that they should be honoured and recognised, then honour and recognise them. Don't ask for hand-outs.
Quote:You insist in repeating the "something for nothing". GǪbecause you're suggesting that they'd be given something for nothing. And yes, being entertained for 12 years is indeed nothing GÇö especially as far as being a rationale for handing out rewards goes. CCP does not disagree on this point since they're not actually handing out anything.
Quote:You also insist that not exceptional situation deserves reward for being exceptional unless all exceptional situations deserve reward No. I'm simply using your attempt at reasoning to prove that it's not actually a valid reason since it's just a meaningless platitude. Hence why I'm saying that there's no reason for the ridiculous hand-outs you're proposing.
And that's the simple fact of it: you haven't provided a good reason why the people who need an economic advantage the least should be given yet another one. You haven't even grasped what it is you're asking for. The reason why it is an advantage and why it is a bad idea has been explained to you, and no amount of rabid refusal to acknowledge this on your part will actually change this fact, nor does it address the points made in those explanations.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
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