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DHuncan Minerva Group The Volition Cult 98	Posted - 2015.12.20 09:47:22 - [1] - Quote We saw a 2004 toon this morning and this brought an alliance conversation about "how old is your toon" It happened we have some 2003 members who play EvE from beta. CCP never gave them anything! Not a badge, not a gift, nothing. Well I think there are not so many of these and they have proved loyalty more than enough and have paid enough plex to deserve a lifetime subscription. So this is what I would like people to support and hopefully CCP accept. What did you say about CODE?
Mag's the united 20893	Posted - 2015.12.20 09:51:07 - [2] - Quote DHuncan wrote: We saw a 2004 toon this morning and this brought an alliance conversation about "how old is your toon" It happened we have some 2003 members who play EvE from beta. CCP never gave them anything! Not a badge, not a gift, nothing. Well I think there are not so many of these and they have proved loyalty more than enough and have paid enough plex to deserve a lifetime subscription. So this is what I would like people to support and hopefully CCP accept. CCP really doesn't need to open that can of worms. A gift? Maybe. Free lifetime sub? No. Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Kieron VonDeux 94	Posted - 2015.12.20 09:55:02 - [3] - Quote If they do this, others will only ask for more.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 42088	Posted - 2015.12.20 09:59:46 - [4] - Quote I'm mixed whenever this thread theme comes up: 1. Vets have put a lot into creating the player generated stories and building the community and deserve some recognition and CCP could generate even more long term loyalty by rewarding the players that stick with the game. 2. CCP have already fulfilled their part of the relationship through the continued access and development of the game. The game now isn't what it was back in beta and the players have already benefited from what CCP has done to support their gaming. 3. Wait till the veteran station comes out I'll go for 3. this time around, but since that isn't happening, that makes it 2. as well. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 28098	Posted - 2015.12.20 10:26:56 - [5] - Quote How about you cheapskates use your own money to buy him a year or two? You should be embarassed of yourselves. I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming... THE GAME ! (: You lost... :)
Gregor Parud Ordo Ardish 1851	Posted - 2015.12.20 10:52:34 - [6] - Quote It's not like CCP shows any affection or consideration when it comes to older players and older EVE in general. Also, asking for free stuff makes you terrible.
FatMike NOFX Sky Fighters 0	Posted - 2015.12.20 10:55:28 - [7] - Quote I agree, those in question should receive some sort of cool ship skin rather than a free subscription, or maybe a few free months as well.
DHuncan Minerva Group The Volition Cult 98	Posted - 2015.12.20 11:04:16 - [8] - Quote Gregor Parud wrote: It's not like CCP shows any affection or consideration when it comes to older players and older EVE in general. Also, asking for free stuff makes you terrible. Why? I am not asking anything for me. I dont have a character that old. I thought a life subscription would be a deserved reward and I dont understand the terriblility of such an exception but the point is to give them something for their loyalty and if you think thats too much and rather give them something else, that would be sendible but, saying I am terrible is something I totally dont get. What did you say about CODE?
Gliese Casserres Fistful of Finns Paisti Syndicate 17	Posted - 2015.12.20 11:07:44 - [9] - Quote A player from dawn of time has infinite isk. They have been around to use every broken money making mechanic that has existed. They have as much assets littered around new eden as an average pvp corporation. They shouldn't have any problems in buying a plex. Usually they do, and it's all the plexes in the market. Am I right?
Gregor Parud Ordo Ardish 1851	Posted - 2015.12.20 11:08:03 - [10] - Quote DHuncan wrote: Gregor Parud wrote: It's not like CCP shows any affection or consideration when it comes to older players and older EVE in general. Also, asking for free stuff makes you terrible. I dont understand the terriblility of such an exception QED
DropCam Republic University Minmatar Republic 1	Posted - 2015.12.20 11:08:56 - [11] - Quote Who is it? I will send him a Fedo!
DHuncan Minerva Group The Volition Cult 98	Posted - 2015.12.20 11:24:10 - [12] - Quote Well we obviously dont see things the same way. Seems more important than 'what I have' the thing 'others cannot have' I understand the cultural background where all this comes from. I am sorry also some see the only way to make isk is to find broken mechanics and my fault here was to honor those who imo are exceptional players and in such proportion I thought they deserve something as unique as they are. Fee subscription is too much? if you say so. If you send me a fedo, please I want a female. I already have a male and I like them so much I would try to breed them. Thank you I will be advised to trippple check a contract from such gentle fellows. What did you say about CODE?
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 28129	Posted - 2015.12.20 16:43:39 - [13] - Quote They don't deserve it, though, especially b4cause they most likely can sub themselves with PLEX. I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming... THE GAME ! (: You lost... :)
Ayx Shewma 0scope Goonswarm Federation 103	Posted - 2015.12.20 17:05:12 - [14] - Quote This thread theme is idiotic. It's not like these players never got anything out of this game. This isn't a job that you hate. It's entertainment. If CCP does anything, they should ban people from the forums for asking for free stuff. gibsmedat millenials strike again...
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26556	Posted - 2015.12.20 17:14:05 - [15] - Quote DHuncan wrote: Well we obviously dont see things the same way. Seems more important than 'what I have' the thing 'others cannot have' I understand the cultural background where all this comes from. I am sorry also some see the only way to make isk is to find broken mechanics and my fault here was to honor those who imo are exceptional players and in such proportion I thought they deserve something as unique as they are. Fee subscription is too much? if you say so. They're not exceptional and they're not unique. They're just players who've stuck around for a long time GÇö that is its own reward (or they would have left). And yes, handing out the equivalent of 12bn+ ISK a year for no good reason to the people who need it the least definitely qualify as GÇ£too much.GÇ¥ If you want to honour them because you look up to them for some reason, by all means, do so. Just don't ask CCP for something you can do yourself. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
DHuncan Minerva Group The Volition Cult 98	Posted - 2015.12.20 18:44:07 - [16] - Quote Tippia wrote: DHuncan wrote: Well we obviously dont see things the same way. Seems more important than 'what I have' the thing 'others cannot have' I understand the cultural background where all this comes from. I am sorry also some see the only way to make isk is to find broken mechanics and my fault here was to honor those who imo are exceptional players and in such proportion I thought they deserve something as unique as they are. Fee subscription is too much? if you say so. They're not exceptional and they're not unique. They're just players who've stuck around for a long time GÇö that is its own reward (or they would have left). And yes, handing out the equivalent of 12bn+ ISK a year for no good reason to the people who need it the least definitely qualify as GÇ£too much.GÇ¥ If you want to honour them because you look up to them for some reason, by all means, do so. Just don't ask CCP for something you can do yourself. To the other dude who spends his time participating in idiotic posts I wont bother to answer. Exceptional, by definition, are those who are not the norm but the exception. I think the still alive Beta timers deserve the tag of exceptional by definition. You think the equivalent of 12b+ isk a year is a lot? Fine, that is an opinion, but it would not be for not good reason. Now the reason I gave you may consider is not good enough. Fair enough, a legit opinion which I dont share. What did you say about CODE?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26558	Posted - 2015.12.20 18:56:43 - [17] - Quote DHuncan wrote: Exceptional, by definition, are those who are not the norm but the exception. I think the still alive Beta timers deserve the tag of exceptional by definition. By that definition, they should also give out free subscriptions to all new players. So why aren't you proposing that? No, they're not exceptional GÇö not even by definition GÇö because there's nothing that really sets them apart from other players. Having been around for a while is not something special and, as mentioned, only demonstrates that they don't need to be GÇ£honouredGÇ¥ for just keeping themselves entertained. Quote: You think the equivalent of 12b+ isk a year is a lot? Fine, that is an opinion, but it would not be for not good reason. No. I'm saying that it's too much. As in GÇ£there's no reason they should be given anything for free, and especially not something others struggle to raise.GÇ¥ Players being entertained by an entertainment product is not a reason to give that product away for free. Quite the opposite. This is a competitive game, where the economy sits at the centre of the whole competition. You are suggesting that the people who are in the least need of aid in that competition should be given additional advantages just because they've been competing a bit longer than others. It's outright nonsensical. If you want to see them GÇ£honouredGÇ¥ then that can happen without affecting the economy or the competitive environment GÇö give them pink text on the forums or something. Indeed, that would be the only way it could happen without being horribly ill-conceived and disruptive. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 28139	Posted - 2015.12.20 19:02:27 - [18] - Quote I disagree. Pink text would be horribly disruptive... I want that now. ^_^ I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming... THE GAME ! (: You lost... :)
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26561	Posted - 2015.12.20 19:10:07 - [19] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: I disagree. Pink text would be horribly disruptive... I want that now. ^_^ Well, yes. It would still be socially disruptive as people would covet this distinguishing mark intensely and rage over how long it would take to earn. I was speaking more of actual gameplay. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 13184	Posted - 2015.12.20 19:19:41 - [20] - Quote Tippia wrote: Solecist Project wrote: I disagree. Pink text would be horribly disruptive... I want that now. ^_^ Well, yes. It would still be socially disruptive as people would covet this distinguishing mark intensely and rage over how long it would take to earn. I was speaking more of actual gameplay. pink text on the forums would get you wardeced by literally everyone that read it every time you posted. im in favour of this Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Pix Severus Mew Age Outpaws 1424	Posted - 2015.12.20 19:21:51 - [21] - Quote I suggest the OP creates an in-game cult, dedicated to the worship of the old capsuleers. You could pool your money and buy PLEX for long-serving players. My lord.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26565	Posted - 2015.12.20 19:24:37 - [22] - Quote Ralph King-Griffin wrote: pink text on the forums would get you wardeced by literally everyone that read it every time you posted. im in favour of this It wouldn't label that as GÇ£disruptiveGÇ¥, though. More like GÇ£awesomeGÇ¥. I'm also trying to find the thread on the old forums where one of the GMs conferred this status on someone as a punishment, of all things. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 28147	Posted - 2015.12.20 20:25:38 - [23] - Quote Tippia wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: pink text on the forums would get you wardeced by literally everyone that read it every time you posted. im in favour of this It wouldn't label that as GÇ£disruptiveGÇ¥, though. More like GÇ£awesomeGÇ¥. I'm also trying to find the thread on the old forums where one of the GMs conferred this status on someone as a punishment, of all things. cough PINK TEXT MATTERS ! I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming... THE GAME ! (: You lost... :)
Gregor Parud Ordo Ardish 1868	Posted - 2015.12.20 20:35:19 - [24] - Quote Tippia wrote: Ralph King-Griffin wrote: pink text on the forums would get you wardeced by literally everyone that read it every time you posted. im in favour of this It wouldn't label that as GÇ£disruptiveGÇ¥, though. More like GÇ£awesomeGÇ¥. I'm also trying to find the thread on the old forums where one of the GMs conferred this status on someone as a punishment, of all things. Can't remember who it was but they gave someone forced pink text, Wasn't it Hippoking?
Louise Beethoven Hedion University Amarr Empire 155	Posted - 2015.12.20 20:39:00 - [25] - Quote DHuncan wrote: toon The Unique Identifier of a moron
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26568	Posted - 2015.12.20 20:40:54 - [26] - Quote First http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=627124&page=2#35 Then http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=627124&page=2#45 And finally http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=627841 GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
Ralph King-Griffin Devils Rejects 666 The Devil's Warrior Alliance 13185	Posted - 2015.12.20 20:46:23 - [27] - Quote Tippia wrote: First http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=627124&page=2#35 Then http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=627124&page=2#45 And finally http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=627841 This Is why I wanted tippia home for cristmass . That's hilarious. Better the Devil you know. =]\|[=
Gregor Parud Ordo Ardish 1871	Posted - 2015.12.20 20:52:46 - [28] - Quote It was Tarm, I now hate myself for not remembering that.
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 9825	Posted - 2015.12.20 21:57:33 - [29] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: How about you cheapskates use your own money to buy him a year or two? You should be embarassed of yourselves. *'Ashamed'. "You should be ashamed of yourselves." Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m! Bumble's Space Log
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 9825	Posted - 2015.12.20 21:58:25 - [30] - Quote Louise Beethoven wrote: Hedion University The Unique Identifier of an NPC poasting alt non-entity Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m! Bumble's Space Log
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 28149	Posted - 2015.12.20 22:39:05 - [31] - Quote Louise Beethoven wrote: DHuncan wrote: toon The Unique Identifier of a moron I had one of these yesterday. He approached (convo) me, because of my good looking toon. Then I had to explain why it's a character ... ... and how I am neither Bugs Bunny, nor Mickey Mouse or Wile E. Coyote. And THEN he asked if I was a real girl ... ... because, you know why ........ So I told him that real girls would stop talking to him ... ... when he approaches them that way for cyber ... ... and left the convo. Really ............ I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming... THE GAME ! (: You lost... :)
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 28149	Posted - 2015.12.20 22:40:02 - [32] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: Solecist Project wrote: How about you cheapskates use your own money to buy him a year or two? You should be embarassed of yourselves. 'Ashamed'. "You should be ashamed of yourselves." Yes! That's the word! Thanks! :D Tippia wrote:* First http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=627124&page=2#35 Then http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=627124&page=2#45 And finally http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=627841 Omg this is hilarious! :D I want to be like this guy. ^_^ Dang, I need way more threads! D: I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming... THE GAME ! (: You lost... :)
Rovinia Exotic Dancers Union SONS of BANE 420	Posted - 2015.12.20 23:14:38 - [33] - Quote DHuncan wrote: CCP never gave them anything! ...except a dozen years of gaming fun?
Reiisha Repracor Industries 780	Posted - 2015.12.21 00:24:00 - [34] - Quote Gliese Casserres wrote: A player from dawn of time has infinite isk. They have been around to use every broken money making mechanic that has existed. They have as much assets littered around new eden as an average pvp corporation. They shouldn't have any problems in buying a plex. Usually they do, and it's all the plexes in the market. Am I right? I'm broke as ***, sorry to dissappoint :> If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...*
Otso Bakarti Filial Pariahs 558	Posted - 2015.12.21 02:12:17 - [35] - Quote DHuncan wrote: ... paid enough plex to deserve.... Uh...I don't know what planet you live on, but on this planet we pay with money, not in-game pixels. Furthermore, if your alliance heroes want to be rewarded for paying in PLEX since '03, then your alliance is filled with typical EVE players; wholly dishonest and fully unscrupulous. scurries off to edit his dictionary once again good thing it was written in pencil! There just isn't anything that can be said!
Jill Xelitras Xeltec services 497	Posted - 2015.12.21 02:16:07 - [36] - Quote Tippia wrote: Solecist Project wrote: I disagree. Pink text would be horribly disruptive... I want that now. ^_^ Well, yes. It would still be socially disruptive as people would covet this distinguishing mark intensely and rage over how long it would take to earn. I was speaking more of actual gameplay. Oh god ... you guys just reminded me of the old forums (sniff). I couldn't find the post where someone actually got "punished" with pink text by a GM, but I found this post by CCP Eris Discordia (no longer at CCP afaik). PCU discussion Marsha's post, SP discussion Sibyyl's post opinions = onions*pi
Jill Xelitras Xeltec services 497	Posted - 2015.12.21 02:36:00 - [37] - Quote Maybe, buy him an Apotheosis ? ... or buy it from him. PCU discussion Marsha's post, SP discussion Sibyyl's post opinions = onions*pi
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 1969	Posted - 2015.12.21 02:49:10 - [38] - Quote They already got the 10 year veteran station and all that other awesome stuff from the loyalty rewards program CCP talked about at fanfest. the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Kieron VonDeux 99	Posted - 2015.12.21 06:54:57 - [39] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: They already got the 10 year veteran station and all that other awesome stuff from the loyalty rewards program CCP talked about at fanfest. Where is this 10 year Vet station?
ApophisXP Sadistic Retribution Sadistic Empire 74	Posted - 2015.12.21 07:57:45 - [40] - Quote Kieron VonDeux wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: They already got the 10 year veteran station and all that other awesome stuff from the loyalty rewards program CCP talked about at fanfest. Where is this 10 year Vet station? This was something I was looking forward to, but apparently its not worth the resources as stated by a dev in the thread about it before. Be nice to get some form of recognition for those who still feel passionate about the game after such a long time. Needs to be controlled to an extent though, as in no transferred chars etc otherwise people will just end up buying them, beating the whole point of the recognition system. Linky to the dev post referred to; https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4502687#post4502687
DHuncan Minerva Group The Volition Cult 98	Posted - 2015.12.21 09:00:11 - [41] - Quote Tippia wrote: DHuncan wrote: Exceptional, by definition, are those who are not the norm but the exception. I think the still alive Beta timers deserve the tag of exceptional by definition. By that definition, they should also give out free subscriptions to all new players. So why aren't you proposing that? A perfect example of a demagogue. I mean, really? did you even think before posting this? So since there is not two characters exactly the same and we are all unique, then I should ask also for something to every one? Do we need to entertain you by digging into the kind of uniqueness that can not be reproduced in that uniqueness which is what we talking about and not whatever uniqueness you want to point and explain that is the kind of the uniqueness itself what is noteworthy but not so any other random uniqueness? Is that the way you want to go for your pleasure? I did not ask you to pay their subscription. I asked to create a game mechanic that would give them the plex out of thin air. My point can be seen as I am over honoring these players. Alright that can be the opinion, but would like to know the dire need some of you have to stop it. We could dig also in that direction if you want to digress. What did you say about CODE?
DHuncan Minerva Group The Volition Cult 98	Posted - 2015.12.21 09:07:37 - [42] - Quote Louise Beethoven wrote: DHuncan wrote: toon The Unique Identifier of a moron In your narrow mind only. Open it up a bit. Are you cultivated enough to speak in my first language so I dont bother you with my out-of-fashion expressions? No? Ok then I will have to speak in your language then but dont call me names if my slang is not too groovy. EVE is a war game. EVE forums still a talking place. Being hard in EVE is part of the game but being Hard in forums makes you a rude troll. What did you say about CODE?
DHuncan Minerva Group The Volition Cult 98	Posted - 2015.12.21 09:18:27 - [43] - Quote Ima Wreckyou wrote: They already got the 10 year veteran station and all that other awesome stuff from the loyalty rewards program CCP talked about at fanfest. Oh did they? I didnt know so they have got the mention, reward or distinction I was asking for. In a way CCP has move already in the direction, they agree they are special, they deserved something for loyalty and for being here since day one, all these things I see but others seems not to. This is good enough then. I will go and find a read about that station. What did you say about CODE?
DHuncan Minerva Group The Volition Cult 98	Posted - 2015.12.21 09:21:24 - [44] - Quote ApophisXP wrote: Kieron VonDeux wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: They already got the 10 year veteran station and all that other awesome stuff from the loyalty rewards program CCP talked about at fanfest. Where is this 10 year Vet station? This was something I was looking forward to, but apparently its not worth the resources as stated by a dev in the thread about it before. Be nice to get some form of recognition for those who still feel passionate about the game after such a long time. Needs to be controlled to an extent though, as in no transferred chars etc otherwise people will just end up buying them, beating the whole point of the recognition system. Linky to the dev post referred to; https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4502687#post4502687 Thank you. What did you say about CODE?
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 42113	Posted - 2015.12.21 09:23:31 - [45] - Quote DHuncan wrote: I will go and find a read about that station. Lol. Start here: http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?16555-No-10-Year-Veteran-Station-for-You! Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26588	Posted - 2015.12.21 10:23:17 - [46] - Quote DHuncan wrote: A perfect example of a demagogue. I mean, really? did you even think before posting this? Are you asking me or yourself? Your argument certainly doesn't feel very thought-through. Again, you haven't really presented any reason why old players should be granted this unnecessary advantage other than a reason that applies equally well to a category of players that would be far better served by receiving it. Quote: So since there is not two characters exactly the same and we are all unique, then I should ask also for something to every one? By your reasoning of honouring the exceptional, yes. Quote: I asked to create a game mechanic that would give them the plex out of thin air. GÇªand provided no sensible reason why such a massive disruption should be allowed to happen. Quote: EVE is a war game. That's a very good point. Unfortunately, it's a point against your idea as previously described. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
Gregor Parud Ordo Ardish 1887	Posted - 2015.12.21 10:58:45 - [47] - Quote For someone who doesn't have, as he stated, a personal interest in it he sure tries very hard. I wonder why that is. Also if you're that dumb and still lead a corp of other people then that's generally not a good sign.
Ima Wreckyou The Conference Elite CODE. 1971	Posted - 2015.12.21 11:18:09 - [48] - Quote DHuncan wrote: Ima Wreckyou wrote: They already got the 10 year veteran station and all that other awesome stuff from the loyalty rewards program CCP talked about at fanfest. Oh did they? I didnt know so they have got the mention, reward or distinction I was asking for. In a way CCP has move already in the direction, they agree they are special, they deserved something for loyalty and for being here since day one, all these things I see but others seems not to. This is good enough then. I will go and find a read about that station. Haha, no, no one got something. CCP just talked about how much "awesome" stuff they would implement, I think it was at the EVE ten years anniversary Fanfest, then they forgot about it. Classic CCP the Code ALWAYS wins Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 28177	Posted - 2015.12.21 11:25:51 - [49] - Quote I believe giving the vetgender spacists a dedicated station is OUTRAGOUS! How dare the veterenarians to d3mand space for themselves! We are people too! We demand a station specifically for new players only and a dedicated station for each year of playing, because we deserve that!! Down with the Veteraniarchy !!! I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming... THE GAME ! (: You lost... :)
DHuncan Minerva Group The Volition Cult 98	Posted - 2015.12.21 11:36:19 - [50] - Quote Tippia wrote: DHuncan wrote: A perfect example of a demagogue. I mean, really? did you even think before posting this? Are you asking me or yourself? Your argument certainly doesn't feel very thought-through. Again, you haven't really presented any reason why old players should be granted this unnecessary advantage other than a reason that applies equally well to a category of players that would be far better served by receiving it. Quote: So since there is not two characters exactly the same and we are all unique, then I should ask also for something to every one? By your reasoning of honouring the exceptional, yes. Quote: I asked to create a game mechanic that would give them the plex out of thin air. GÇªand provided no sensible reason why such a massive disruption should be allowed to happen. Quote: EVE is a war game. That's a very good point. Unfortunately, it's a point against your idea as previously described. A reason for a reward is gratitude and recognition. From the point of view of a software product is the input back to those who believed in the product and didnt turn it back. Is like when you buy the ham registry number one million and they give you a trip to Mallorca. You may find it excessive, I could understand that but your pretended blindness to reasons dont seem to me a valid point. Seems CCP has already agreed they deserve something. I didnt know until this post but it tends to agree those pioneers deserve somehow a type of distinction. So the reason of why old players should be granted a reward has been presented implicitly and explicitly. You call my proposal an unfair advantage. I see that as they would not have to spend resources in PLEX while they instead would use isk to advance further in whatever area. Well EVE is a game of unfair advantages if you want to look at it that way. It is unfair that you fight me while you have more skill points or is unfair that I fight you with more dps or a bigger fleet. Still your point does not seem to tune into a less advantageous reward nor in negotiating what would be more proportionate reward. Instead you focused into making it unreasonable even to consider these players are special at all or deserve any kind of reward at all. In a sophistic way you try to misshape the relation between exceptions that deserve rewards with all exceptions. I say in a sophistic way because I dont believe you dont know the difference. Now you are failing to explain why EVE being a war game would come against my point of rewarding veterans and/or sending them a wink to make them feel appreciated in a hope for they stay with us many more years. Lastly I dont see explanation either in your affirmation of "massive disruption" in PLEXing a dozen (or two) of players. We could go forever into the analysis word-by-word, definition by definition of what you said Vs. what you meant but that only divert us from the point I was trying to present here. Your opinion has been expressed and I thank you for that. What did you say about CODE?
DHuncan Minerva Group The Volition Cult 98	Posted - 2015.12.21 11:43:47 - [51] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: I believe giving the vetgender spacists a dedicated station is OUTRAGOUS! How dare the veterenarians to d3mand space for themselves! We are people too! We demand a station specifically for new players only and a dedicated station for each year of playing, because we deserve that!! Down with the Veteraniarchy !!! I think a station... no, a system for new players would also make sense. One for each race, but not because of deserving but for your own protection. Now this is going off topic but I wouldnt mind to discus it in another thread. Is it thread a cool word... I wonder. What did you say about CODE?
DHuncan Minerva Group The Volition Cult 98	Posted - 2015.12.21 11:50:15 - [52] - Quote Gregor Parud wrote: For someone who doesn't have, as he stated, a personal interest in it he sure tries very hard. I wonder why that is. Also if you're that dumb and still lead a corp of other people then that's generally not a good sign. Intellect is invisible to the man who has none (Schopenhauer). What did you say about CODE?
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26590	Posted - 2015.12.21 12:01:58 - [53] - Quote DHuncan wrote: A reason for a reward is gratitude and recognition. GÇªwhich they need becauseGÇª? And again, why do you want the devs to do that when you can provide it perfectly yourself? Quote: You call my proposal an unfair advantage. I see that as they would not have to spend resources in PLEX while they instead would use isk to advance further in whatever area. That makes it an unfair advantage. They are given something for nothing, and this directly translates into an in-game advantage GÇö one that they need less than anyone else. EVE is not a game of unfair advantages GÇö it's one of whatever advantage you can carve out for yourself. Everyone has the opportunity and tools to make them, which makes it a remarkably fair system. If that's not how you gain the advantage GÇö if it is indeed unfair GÇö it is pretty much universally called an exploit and gets you banned in short order. Dev favouritism once plagued the game and became such a burden that CCP had to institute a panel of player representative to try ot placate the massive outrage this caused. Quote: In a sophistic way you try to misshape the relation between exceptions that deserve rewards with all exceptions. No. I am simply using your utter lack of coherent logic to demonstrate its absurd consequences, thereby showing that you haven't thought your idea through and that the reasoning behind it is nonsensical. Quote: Now you are failing to explain why EVE being a war game would come against my point of rewarding veterans GÇªexcept, of course, that I did describe it. You were just incapable of actually addressing the point made. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 28187	Posted - 2015.12.21 12:23:20 - [54] - Quote DHuncan wrote: Gregor Parud wrote: For someone who doesn't have, as he stated, a personal interest in it he sure tries very hard. I wonder why that is. Also if you're that dumb and still lead a corp of other people then that's generally not a good sign. Intellect is invisible to the man who has none (Schopenhauer). Don't insult yourself. I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming... THE GAME ! (: You lost... :)
DHuncan Minerva Group The Volition Cult 98	Posted - 2015.12.21 13:20:23 - [55] - Quote Tippia wrote: DHuncan wrote: A reason for a reward is gratitude and recognition. GÇªwhich they need becauseGÇª? And again, why do you want the devs to do that when you can provide it perfectly yourself? Quote: You call my proposal an unfair advantage. I see that as they would not have to spend resources in PLEX while they instead would use isk to advance further in whatever area. That makes it an unfair advantage. They are given something for nothing, and this directly translates into an in-game advantage GÇö one that they need less than anyone else. EVE is not a game of unfair advantages GÇö it's one of whatever advantage you can carve out for yourself. Everyone has the opportunity and tools to make them, which makes it a remarkably fair system. If that's not how you gain the advantage GÇö if it is indeed unfair GÇö it is pretty much universally called an exploit and gets you banned in short order. Dev favouritism once plagued the game and became such a burden that CCP had to institute a panel of player representative to try ot placate the massive outrage this caused. Quote: In a sophistic way you try to misshape the relation between exceptions that deserve rewards with all exceptions. No. I am simply using your utter lack of coherent logic to demonstrate its absurd consequences, thereby showing that you haven't thought your idea through and that the reasoning behind it is nonsensical. Quote: Now you are failing to explain why EVE being a war game would come against my point of rewarding veterans GÇªexcept, of course, that I did describe it. You were just incapable of actually addressing the point made. I didnt say they need it I said it would be a nice gesture from the game to them that I would support. I cannot provide a plex per month per Beta timer, nor create a unique item or feature in game. Developers could. I dont know why you say I could do it perfectly myself. You are making no sense here. You insist in repeating the "something for nothing". You said that before and I said I desagree and seems CCP also disagrees as they were considering a station or something therefor they also think like me they deserve something for something. This point is being said too many times. You also insist that not exceptional situation deserves reward for being exceptional unless all exceptional situations deserve reward as if all exceptional situations would be the same under the tag "exceptional" not looking into what kind of exceptional deserves reward or not. You insist in my view of reward this exceptional would necessarily force me to admit rewards of all exceptionalism and that is absurd. You should get this, it is pretty simple. You ask for reasons of what is being explained as if I lack of reason of what I am asking while you refuse to explain your conclusions as if I were in fault for not grasping the obvious. Seems your rules dont apply to yourself when asking to clarifications while giving none yourself. Once again proving your speech is mere sophism and pure demagogy. You would understand I shall not replay over and over the off topic spiral of nonsense you are driving the topic. Again you monopolize the debate and add nothing to the matter. What did you say about CODE?
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 28189	Posted - 2015.12.21 13:24:45 - [56] - Quote What matter would that be? You mean that you pretend to want something for others ... ... without telling us your true motivations? I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming... THE GAME ! (: You lost... :)
DHuncan Minerva Group The Volition Cult 98	Posted - 2015.12.21 13:44:27 - [57] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: What matter would that be? You mean that you pretend to want something for others ... ... without telling us your true motivations? Why you doubt my motivations? Is that hard for you to believe a non-selfish idea can exist? How sad. Can I ask your motivations also? Why do you insult? Why do you participate in a forum to troll? Why you push in the direction for this reward never happen? Do you enjoy smiles or tears? Never mind I really dont want to know. What did you say about CODE?
lmmortalist lmmortality Associates 169	Posted - 2015.12.21 13:46:33 - [58] - Quote The Volition Cult is strong in the OP.
Tippia Sunshine and Lollipops 26592	Posted - 2015.12.21 14:19:54 - [59] - Quote DHuncan wrote: I didnt say they need it I said it would be a nice gesture from the game to them that I would support. In other words, there's no particular reason to do so. Quote: I cannot provide a plex per month per Beta timer, nor create a unique item or feature in game. You can trivially provide the gratitude and recognition you think they've somehow deserved. No need to get developers involved. If you feel so strongly that they should be honoured and recognised, then honour and recognise them. Don't ask for hand-outs. Quote: You insist in repeating the "something for nothing". GÇªbecause you're suggesting that they'd be given something for nothing. And yes, being entertained for 12 years is indeed nothing GÇö especially as far as being a rationale for handing out rewards goes. CCP does not disagree on this point since they're not actually handing out anything. Quote: You also insist that not exceptional situation deserves reward for being exceptional unless all exceptional situations deserve reward No. I'm simply using your attempt at reasoning to prove that it's not actually a valid reason since it's just a meaningless platitude. Hence why I'm saying that there's no reason for the ridiculous hand-outs you're proposing. And that's the simple fact of it: you haven't provided a good reason why the people who need an economic advantage the least should be given yet another one. You haven't even grasped what it is you're asking for. The reason why it is an advantage and why it is a bad idea has been explained to you, and no amount of rabid refusal to acknowledge this on your part will actually change this fact, nor does it address the points made in those explanations. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥ Get a good start: Newbie skillplan 2.3 - Vanguard Edition.
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 28205	Posted - 2015.12.21 14:34:00 - [60] - Quote DHuncan wrote: Solecist Project wrote: What matter would that be? You mean that you pretend to want something for others ... ... without telling us your true motivations? Why you doubt my motivations? Is that hard for you to believe a non-selfish idea can exist? How sad. Can I ask your motivations also? Why do you insult? Why do you participate in a forum to troll? Why you push in the direction for this reward never happen? Do you enjoy smiles or tears? Never mind I really dont want to know. Because you're not selfless. Elli g me I'm trolling jusf pro es further that you aren't legit. I do not push, I oppose your selfishness and lack of honesty. And then first you ask questions and then you say you don't want to know. Cognitive dissonance or just self righteous? You're not honest, so you get no support. I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming... THE GAME ! (: You lost... :)
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 28210	Posted - 2015.12.21 14:39:00 - [61] - Quote I'm getting the feeling that a good part of the reason for this thread's existence ... ... is simply that the OP wants to look good next to his "friends". I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming... THE GAME ! (: You lost... :)
Frostys Virpio KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation 2429	Posted - 2015.12.21 15:05:54 - [62] - Quote So you want to get something over the fact they have provided a game worthwhile of your subscription for all that time? Because the game being good is not enough? FFS chance are you probably didn't pay it all by yourself and used someone else's money to pay for it VIA PLEX.
Rovinia Exotic Dancers Union SONS of BANE 422	Posted - 2015.12.21 15:56:19 - [63] - Quote Agree with Frostys. Long-term players played the game that long because it was and is a fun hobby. Or because they have found good friends / communitys here they like to hang out with. Not because of loyality to a game. Loyalty is faithfulness or a devotion to a person, group, or cause. I don't think that loyalty to a game even exists. It's only purpose is to entertain you. And if it can't do that (anymore), you should pick another one. There is no need to feel pity for veteran Eve-players, they had lots of fun. If CCP wants to honor them in some way, it should be in the form of a skin, podcolor or even a ship. Have no problems with that. But surely not with a free subscription for life.
DHuncan Minerva Group The Volition Cult 98	Posted - 2015.12.21 16:20:56 - [64] - Quote Rovinia wrote: Agree with Frostys. Long-term players played the game that long because it was and is a fun hobby. Or because they have found good friends / communitys here they like to hang out with. Not because of loyality to a game. Loyalty is faithfulness or a devotion to a person, group, or cause. I don't think that loyalty to a game even exists. It's only purpose is to entertain you. And if it can't do that (anymore), you should pick another one. There is no need to feel pity for veteran Eve-players, they had lots of fun. If CCP wants to honor them in some way, it should be in the form of a skin, podcolor or even a ship. Have no problems with that. But surely not with a free subscription for life. You have good points here, I admit. Only clarification is I was never moved by pity. I think in a way they are mighty, legendary even thou not necessarily the best players they are somehow like living relics. I thought a medal or a skin would be something they could wear with pride but somehow not cool enough (or may be cool enough). Perhaps a free subscription was too much of a reward? Well that falls more into the tuning the recompense than into the agreeing they should get one. Thanks. What did you say about CODE?
Xtreem Aliastra Gallente Federation 396	Posted - 2015.12.21 16:51:36 - [65] - Quote As an original 2003 player I support any free gifts CCP or others would like to give me :-) it is christmas, please give kindly.
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 28248	Posted - 2015.12.21 17:12:27 - [66] - Quote Xtreem wrote: As an original 2003 player I support any free gifts CCP or others would like to give me :-) it is christmas, please give kindly. Three months, seven days. Post with your main. I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming... THE GAME ! (: You lost... :)
DaReaper Net 7 2706	Posted - 2015.12.21 19:08:38 - [67] - Quote tl;dr bit of trivia: AFAIK there is only one life time sub out there. it was won at the silent auction at fan fest 07. not sure if others were auctioned at other ff's but there ya go. As an 04 player, i just want a sword or a 'vet' badge. OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining! Yes i am optimistic about eve.. i'm giving it till dec 31st 2016 before i doom n gloom
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 141	Posted - 2015.12.22 00:31:19 - [68] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: They don't deserve it, though, especially b4cause they most likely can sub themselves with PLEX. That's why I would want a special ship/frig/shuttle that only 2003 account holders can pilot, I already have ISK and stuff I would like to have something unique. Maybe have it that only 2003 account holders can buy, research, copy and manufacture the ships BPO as well.
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 141	Posted - 2015.12.22 00:38:20 - [69] - Quote DropCam wrote: Who is it? I will send him a Fedo! I'm not him but I'm a 2003 account holder that would love too have everybody's unwanted unloved Fedo's contracted to me in JIta, Jita because I don't want to use up all my valuable time running around all of New Eden picking up hungry, angry Fedos. In addition to the Fedos if you would want to add bio-material (food) with your Fedo to help feed them while in my care that would be greatly appreciated as well. Willing to screencap my Fedo acquisition over time.
J'Poll Perkone Caldari State 6087	Posted - 2015.12.22 00:41:17 - [70] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Louise Beethoven wrote: DHuncan wrote: toon The Unique Identifier of a moron I had one of these yesterday. He approached (convo) me, because of my good looking toon. Then I had to explain why it's a character ... ... and how I am neither Bugs Bunny, nor Mickey Mouse or Wile E. Coyote. And THEN he asked if I was a real girl ... ... because, you know why ........ So I told him that real girls would stop talking to him ... ... when he approaches them that way for cyber ... ... and left the convo. Really ............ It's wabbit season Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 141	Posted - 2015.12.22 00:43:43 - [71] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Xtreem wrote: As an original 2003 player I support any free gifts CCP or others would like to give me :-) it is christmas, please give kindly. Three months, seven days. Post with your main. Some choose not to use there mains for reasons that BSing on GD could produce unwanted friction in the circle(s) we chose to run in. That's my excuse anyway.. As I tend to drink allot and say dumb sh1t.
J'Poll Perkone Caldari State 6088	Posted - 2015.12.22 00:52:03 - [72] - Quote Alea wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Xtreem wrote: As an original 2003 player I support any free gifts CCP or others would like to give me :-) it is christmas, please give kindly. Three months, seven days. Post with your main. Some choose not to use there mains for reasons that BSing on GD could produce unwanted friction in the circle(s) we chose to run in. That's my excuse anyway.. As I tend to drink allot and say dumb sh1t. So, you are a pussy, that is what you are saying. A. Have guts and say what you wamt to say with your main (sober but preferably drunk). B. Shhhhush. Or stay away from the alcohol if you cant even stand it that well you have to use an alt for posting Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
Alea Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic 142	Posted - 2015.12.22 01:22:32 - [73] - Quote J'Poll wrote: Alea wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Xtreem wrote: As an original 2003 player I support any free gifts CCP or others would like to give me :-) it is christmas, please give kindly. Three months, seven days. Post with your main. Some choose not to use there mains for reasons that BSing on GD could produce unwanted friction in the circle(s) we chose to run in. That's my excuse anyway.. As I tend to drink allot and say dumb sh1t. So, you are a pussy, that is what you are saying. A. Have guts and say what you wamt to say with your main (sober but preferably drunk). B. Shhhhush. Or stay away from the alcohol if you cant even stand it that well you have to use an alt for posting I like good whiskey so that's not going away any time soon. I don't really say anything terribly offensive I just like to keep a low profile, I have no real rep in my circle and would like to keep it that way, hence my blatant abuse of an alt, I do post with one of my mains when something important comes up but that's very rare.
Xtreem Aliastra Gallente Federation 397	Posted - 2015.12.22 18:27:42 - [74] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Xtreem wrote: As an original 2003 player I support any free gifts CCP or others would like to give me :-) it is christmas, please give kindly. Three months, seven days. Post with your main. this is my main... i'm just not in a corp at the mo, check my corp history in game. - Date of Birth: 2003-11-06 16:58
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 9850	Posted - 2015.12.22 19:21:26 - [75] - Quote Xtreem wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Xtreem wrote: As an original 2003 player I support any free gifts CCP or others would like to give me :-) it is christmas, please give kindly. Three months, seven days. Post with your main. this is my main... i'm just not in a corp at the mo, check my corp history in game. - Date of Birth: 2003-11-06 16:58 Ooh, burn...difficult to come back from that Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m! Bumble's Space Log
Jill Xelitras Xeltec services 499	Posted - 2015.12.22 19:29:52 - [76] - Quote Bumblefck wrote: Ooh, burn...difficult to come back from that ... but not impossible. Niki Lauda managed to come back. PCU discussion Marsha's post, SP discussion Sibyyl's post opinions = onions*pi
Bumblefck Kerensky Initiatives 9850	Posted - 2015.12.22 19:32:15 - [77] - Quote lol :) Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m! Bumble's Space Log
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 28298	Posted - 2015.12.22 19:32:41 - [78] - Quote Xtreem wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Xtreem wrote: As an original 2003 player I support any free gifts CCP or others would like to give me :-) it is christmas, please give kindly. Three months, seven days. Post with your main. this is my main... i'm just not in a corp at the mo, check my corp history in game. - Date of Birth: 2003-11-06 16:58 Ohhhhhh burn, I did not recognize the timestamp on the left of your (web) profile. I apologize! :) You still get nothing. :p ;) I identify as Sol-kin and I oppose all WiSgender because the white priviledged spacists just want to oppress me with their Avatariarchy. Once the carebears are eradicated, I will stand before them, screaming... THE GAME ! (: You lost... :)
Johan Civire Caldari Provisions Caldari State 1040	Posted - 2015.12.22 20:38:25 - [79] - Quote DHuncan wrote: We saw a 2004 toon this morning and this brought an alliance conversation about "how old is your toon" It happened we have some 2003 members who play EvE from beta. CCP never gave them anything! Not a badge, not a gift, nothing. Well I think there are not so many of these and they have proved loyalty more than enough and have paid enough plex to deserve a lifetime subscription. So this is what I would like people to support and hopefully CCP accept. No. No gift nothing. Perhaps a thank you personnel letter and thats it. If the broke the rules the get a ban to. Nothing special. Its ridicules to even ask this. And if ccp is thinking to go free to play well then the game is then in a dying state. We are already special. 1/50000 players in the world or less play this game and have the patience and others do not have patience. So we are special. Every one of you boys thats play`s eve is special. We care about or game. And we do not want to see it get rune by FTP nonsense or free gifts from CCP this let me think of the lovely GM back with BoB alliance.
Xtreem Aliastra Gallente Federation 399	Posted - 2015.12.23 09:17:47 - [80] - Quote Solecist Project wrote: Xtreem wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Xtreem wrote: As an original 2003 player I support any free gifts CCP or others would like to give me :-) it is christmas, please give kindly. Three months, seven days. Post with your main. this is my main... i'm just not in a corp at the mo, check my corp history in game. - Date of Birth: 2003-11-06 16:58 Ohhhhhh burn, I did not recognize the timestamp on the left of your (web) profile. I apologize! :) You still get nothing. :p ;) Apology accepted, but I still think you owe me a gift in way of further apology :)
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 28357	Posted - 2015.12.23 09:28:13 - [81] - Quote Xtreem wrote: Apology accepted, but I still think you owe me a gift in way of further apology :) Aha! You men are all alike! tztz Umar Umarhabib > The bad thing is, every time I die with a juicy Deadspace set up, it becomes harder to fly solo.
Kuronaga Fatal Absolution Bleeding Sun Conglomerate 474	Posted - 2015.12.23 13:48:22 - [82] - Quote Gregor Parud wrote: It's not like CCP shows any affection or consideration when it comes to older players and older EVE in general. Also, asking for free stuff makes you terrible. Terribly savvy.

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