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Ghandi's Fist
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2011.04.07 17:48:00 -
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Curious about how to calculate the cycle time effects of Ice Harvester Upgrades. The Tech I gives a 5% reduction in cycle time and the TEch II gives a 9% reduction in cycle time. Seems simple enough.
However, how do you calculate the effect if ...
1) You stack two of them? Are two Tech I IHUs equal to a 10% reduction and two Tech II equal to an 18% cycle time reduction?
2) Do stacking penalties come into play here?
3) is the 5% reduction (for one tech I) off the base cycle time (600 seconds for a tech I harvester) or after all other cycle time modifications are considered? So, do I subtract 30 seconds from the derived cycle time or reduce the derived cycle time (from skill bonues, etc) by 5%?
Thanks in advance! |
Thenoran
Tranquility Industries
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Posted - 2011.04.07 17:54:00 -
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As far as I know, all the upgrades are applied without stacking penalties, but they are cumulative, not added and then applied.
So if you have two 9% bonuses and one 5% bonus and a base value of 600, the formula would be:
600 * 0.9 * 0.9 * 0.95. |
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
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Posted - 2011.04.07 18:06:00 -
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I don't recommend putting laser upgrades on a Mackinaw, because then you cannot fit any mids (other than Civilian shield Boosters), or cargo expanders.
I typically fit and rig a Mackinaw for 12,000 m-¦ for 3 full cycles of ice, using 2x cargo optimization rigs + 1 expanded cargo. With max skills it is 17m 35s to fill.
Cycle time = Base Cycle TIme * 1.25 Mackinaw Penalty * (1 - Exhumers Skill * 0.05) * (1 - Ice Harvesting Skill * 0.05) * (1 - 0.09)^Number_of_Ice_Harvester_II_Upgrades
Any other bonuses, like implant or gang link bonus, are applied the same: multiply.
Example:
* Ice Harvesting 5
* Exhumers 5
* Ice Harvesters II (base cycle time is 500)
* No IHU
Cycle time = 500 * 1.25 * (1 - 5 * 0.05) * (1 - 5 * 0.05) = 351.5625s = 5m 52s |
Morghannia
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
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Posted - 2011.04.08 01:24:00 -
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As those above have stated it is cumulative.
Lets look at the Mackinaw. The only bonus that applies to ice mining is the portion below.
Exhumers Skill Bonus:
5% reduction in Ice Harvester duration per level.
Role Bonus:
100% bonus Ice Harvester yield but 25% penalty to ice harvester duration
Able to equip Strip Miner and Ice Harvester turrets.
Tau Cabalander wrote:Example:
* Ice Harvesting 5
* Exhumers 5
* Ice Harvesters II (base cycle time is 500)
* No IHU
Cycle time = 500 * 1.25 * (1 - 5 * 0.05) * (1 - 5 * 0.05) = 351.5625s = 5m 52s
This is a ehh, ok for a bot miner. Holds 2 cycles not worried about how long your sitting there.
I use this with my Max Orca pilot.
NOTE: I am not using any of the mining implants.
[Mackinaw, T2 Miner]
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Civilian Afterburner
Civilian Shield Booster I
Civilian Shield Booster I
[empty med slot]
Ice Harvester II
Ice Harvester II
Unboosted Cycle time 291.13 seconds or 4.85 minutes
Or with a Max Orca w/ implant pilot flying boosting I am at. 215.8 seconds or 3.6 minutes
So make your decision from that. You have hauling, with slow cycles or fast cycles or a dedicated hauler boosting. |
Fish Hunter
Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing
Renaissance Federation
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Posted - 2011.04.08 19:18:00 -
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Why don't people use hulks
[Hulk, ice]
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Ice Harvester Upgrade II
Invulnerability Field II
Civilian Shield Booster I
[empty med slot]
[empty med slot]
Ice Harvester II
Ice Harvester II
Ice Harvester II
Medium Cargohold Optimization I
Medium Cargohold Optimization I
43 units of ice per hour wtih 251 sec duration for hulk
49 units of icer per hour with 291 sec duration for mackinaw
hulk has 10.7k ehp
mackinaw has 6.3k ehp
change the rigs and the difference is larger
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