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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.12.04 23:49:00 -
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After spending some considerable time reading up on every future change thread and dev comment.. mixed with recent site changes, semi-official rumours and a bit of background knowledge and research...
Well - personally i can see this game moving along very nicely after a gradual pick up from xmas into the summer of next year....
Its hard not to sound "fanboish" when you say "This game is going to really rock n roll next year" but, thats my opinion (NAVGTR nomination material next year methinks).
There is , atm, a large chunk of ex-players either not logging on or leaving due to such a long stagnant period and seemingly little to do over the last few weeks/months. To any so inclined I would suggest patience...
EVE is very close to a turning point in its lifecycle... would be a real big shame to be sitting here in 6 months saying "Does anybody remember m0o blockading Mara?" and being met with silence.
Only a week ago I considered that a possible future...now you can almost feel the DEVs being "excited" and "happy".
My what a difference a week can make.
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2003.12.04 23:57:00 -
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Sums my thoughts up nicely :)
My main critisism from day one has been combat. I decided back in july that the game developers would have till end of december to come up with solutions. Wasn't bothered when those solutions became reality, so long as we were told about them and new they'd work or improve the situation....
They've done both, and I'm happy to say I'll be playing eve for some time to come :)
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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Thanatar Thed
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Posted - 2003.12.05 00:03:00 -
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Only a week ago I considered that a possible future...now you can almost feel the DEVs being "excited" and "happy".
I agree.
I just read Dev Chat #9 and they seem alot more relaxed and much more forthcoming than previous chats.
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.12.05 00:21:00 -
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yeah, I'm really looking forward to castor.
I've got my fingers crossed hoping none of the bugs* are too nasty after such a huge change.
*with this many changes, bugs are inevitable. 
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KIAHicks
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Posted - 2003.12.05 00:34:00 -
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There is no such thing as a bug... Just a "feature" that you happen not to want :P
Keenon: "After sitting in the system for FIVE hours without even a (go away)"...
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Halseth Durn
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Posted - 2003.12.05 00:40:00 -
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Edited by: Halseth Durn on 05/12/2003 01:02:04
I have to admit, I am too am starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Looks like eve may just start to realize the huge potential that we (the faithfull) knew was always there. Congrats to CCP for opening the channels of communication again. Its almost like back in beta.
I also have a theory that CCP was withholding a lot of stuff back until their relationship with S&SI was finally dead. The timing is too convienient. Anyone else see that?
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drunkenmaster
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Posted - 2003.12.05 00:44:00 -
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I have to admit, I am too am starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. Looks like eve may just start to realize the huge potential that we (the faithfull) knew was always there. Congrats to CCP and for opening the channels of communication again. Its almost like back in beta.
I also have a theory that CCP was withholding a lot of stuff back until their relationship with S&SI was finally dead. The timing is too convienient. Anyone else see that?
interesting notion, it does seem rather coincidental
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Jayad
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Posted - 2003.12.05 00:49:00 -
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Bout time we had a positive post.
I have full confidence in the ccp team. Most of us can only contemplate the complexities of economic dynamics, code & server archetecture that must be controled and tuned to make eve function. These guys are are making it happen providing there costomers with a new form of high-tech entertainment for the 21st century.
The developer chats are fascinating i cant wait to build a modular station around a moon.
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Atandros
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Posted - 2003.12.05 00:57:00 -
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I also have a theory that CCP was withholding a lot of stuff back until their relationship with S&SI was finally dead. The timing is too convienient. Anyone else see that?
I was thinking something along the same lines - it seems as if they've had to wait for something and now they're finally able to open a Pandora's box of new stuff (and apparently are very happy about it). And the only significant event we know of has been S&SI's departure.
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Jayad
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Posted - 2003.12.05 01:04:00 -
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I was thinking something along the same lines - it seems as if they've had to wait for something and now they're finally able to open a Pandora's box of new stuff (and apparently are very happy about it). And the only significant event we know of has been S&SI's departure
Agreed, lets just hope the additional numbers from a fouth comming promotion does not hit the economic structure adversely
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KIAPieman
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Posted - 2003.12.05 01:10:00 -
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i do agree, i hope it makes this game more exciting.
and you quoted my little phrase in the thread name..... apart from the venal bit...
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.12.05 01:10:00 -
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Edited by: Morkt Drak on 05/12/2003 01:15:16
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I also have a theory that CCP was withholding a lot of stuff back until their relationship with S&SI was finally dead. The timing is too convienient. Anyone else see that?
Take it as fact.
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Agreed, lets just hope the additional numbers from a fouth comming promotion does not hit the economic structure adversely
A nice steady drip-feed of new and returning players would do very nicely to take us through to tech3 and a bigger marketing campaign.
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Raven DeBlade
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Posted - 2003.12.05 01:40:00 -
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Yes the future looks bright, and yes im sure that thanks to the separation between SSI and CCP was the best that could happen CCP and EVE as a game
"To hunt pirates you need time and patience, because even monkeys fall from the trees"
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Bora Horza
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Posted - 2003.12.05 02:05:00 -
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Well i'm bored as hell... need something quick!!!
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Mynobe Soletae
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Posted - 2003.12.05 02:28:00 -
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We shall see. Hopefully you will all be right, and the game will appeal to growing numbers of people, and everything will be great.
I also felt the devs being "excited" and "happy", although I'm not sure whether they really are, or if it's just the wording on this web site, which neccessarily has to sound positive and upbeat to attract customers (they did a good job with it). It's very likely that they are, as SSI's departure is a big deal (in my opinion they really sucked at distribution), and hopefully things will pick up BECAUSE they're gone.
No more patience for me, though, sorry, and no more carrots. I'm taking a break till June; I'll follow what happens and decide then based on what they implement. Very likely it'll be as good as everyone hopes, but I WILL wait till then to decide. |
Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.12.05 05:42:00 -
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It is unsurprising that EVE has followed the ups and downs that it ihas - and its unsurprising that many who followed throughout beta have now gone - that's the typical life cycle of any new MOG.
Invariably the first 9 months are the most problematic and the least progressive in terms of content.
None of that is surprising or unusual... dont be surprised to find a "new game" in 6 months time.
At least - let's hope so.
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Negotiator
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Posted - 2003.12.05 05:55:00 -
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it already is a new game. i was talking to some guy about eve. and he was like "yeah eve sux". i was like " no u sux. eve r0x0r" then he started naming a ****load of problems that were there when he played, and to even my surprise i told him "yeah its been fixed" to most of them.
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Mr Popov
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Posted - 2003.12.05 06:05:00 -
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If anyone had ever played or followed an earlier MMOG called Motor City Online, then they know the pain of having to deal with over-enthusiastic devs. They promised us all sorts of fun stuff, but then suprised (most of us I like to think) us with announcing its cancellation.
However, I feel that it was most due to the fact that they had big bad EA as their bosses, who basically limited what they could do, CCP doesn't have that (as far as I know) and are free to do what they wish.
So let me jump on the bandwaggon!
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Ilyana
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Posted - 2003.12.05 08:08:00 -
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Edited by: Ilyana on 05/12/2003 08:11:55
Although I don't doubt CCP wants to solve the problems (reading the CSM and dev interviews), I'll believe it when I see and play it (on TQ that is). Been 'burned' enough by MMO devs announcing all kinds of stuff, and not coming thru.
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Fausto
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Posted - 2003.12.05 08:34:00 -
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I won't want to wait until next summer, I want to play now!!! GIMME THE PATCH CCP!!!
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Randuin MaraL
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Posted - 2003.12.05 08:48:00 -
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I won't want to wait until next summer, I want to play now!!! GIMME THE PATCH CCP!!!
Hmm, call me addict or insane ... I am here since "Medusa", I do not even know how many months that is ... 9? 10? 11?
I am still here and I intend to stay here for a while longer, ignoring bugs/stucks/nerfs/lags.
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MaiLina KaTar
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Posted - 2003.12.05 09:07:00 -
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My what a difference a week can make.
Yeah... Chaos really got bashed with new stuff I¦m extremely happy about the changes to targeting speed. With frigates becoming viable combat ships the new players can finally participate in something else than groupmining
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Vel Kyri
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Posted - 2003.12.05 09:57:00 -
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The chaos chages are indeed sweet. just a few little tweaks and its all good :)
10 things i am looking forward to seeing on TQ on arrival back from holidays in jan:
1) variable warp-in distance.
2) gate-2-gate jumping!!!
3) faction ratings meaning something! staion docking etc
4) radom respawn of market (not just downtime)
5) frigate PvP being a valid (if risky) pastime
6) making ship mass count in accep/mwd/etc
7) evening out of attacker/defender at jips
8) cancel warping
9) alignment targetting/shooting
10) player market of T2 items
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Discorporation
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Posted - 2003.12.05 10:37:00 -
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I'm looking forward to Castor.
[Heterocephalus glaber]
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Uuldahan
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Posted - 2003.12.05 10:59:00 -
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Same here, I can't wait.
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Artean
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Posted - 2003.12.05 11:00:00 -
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Agree to that. Seems like things are finally starting to move. The future of EVE does, indeed, look brigth. (At least in my eyes...)
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IZON
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Posted - 2003.12.05 11:06:00 -
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Already signed up for another 6 months. although not for the same reasons outlined.
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Qandor
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Posted - 2003.12.05 11:06:00 -
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Edited by: Halseth Durn on 05/12/2003 01:02:04
I also have a theory that CCP was withholding a lot of stuff back until their relationship with S&SI was finally dead. The timing is too convienient. Anyone else see that?
Ya, must be the secret ninja patch revisited.
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Kagar D'Nath
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Posted - 2003.12.05 12:49:00 -
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I do hope they implement all the new changes soon, ive been playing since beta, not always activly tho as for the last few months ive felt the game has stagnated some what,hopefully with all the new content they are suggesting it will beef it up a bit. I love this game but just get a bit fed up with the same old thing all time.
Only time wil tell.....
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Wulfnor
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Posted - 2003.12.06 16:20:00 -
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I was disappointed with the latest dev chat not because the future looks poor but because we did not get as clear a picture of how TL2 will be implemented.
I would have prefered a chat that had started:
Explain how an individual would produce a TL2 item. Start with how he might acquire the BP to what he would have to have to manufacture the item in the way of minerals and skills. And finally explain why, quite apart from the issue of BPcs, he would want to make them if Pirate loot is better.
Such a begining would have allowed them to explain clearly and in one place what they see for manufacturing in Castor.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2003.12.06 17:41:00 -
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Edited by: Hakera on 06/12/2003 17:44:43
I too have a lot of hope for the future. The last 2 months were painful to say the least. We went through the "Dark Age" where CCP stopped talking and that hit us all hard.
We have not seen a major patch in as many months and Aurora events were few and far between.
I see now that we are passing through the dark age and into the proverbial renaissance. I fully expect things to get very exciting as we go through 2004.
With an expected and hoped marketing campaign by CCP and an the influx of new players, the Castor and Shiva ages will make Eve a very exciting place to be.
"The future looks so bright, I'm going to have to wear shades!" 
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Morkt Drakt
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Posted - 2003.12.06 17:44:00 -
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Yeah - must admit that I've been wondering at the lack of T2 info considering how close it is to implementation.
Maybe they just want everybody to start out at the same level of knowledge - totally clueless
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Mynobe Soletae
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Posted - 2003.12.06 20:00:00 -
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From a marketting point of view, the best thing they could do is to put Castor in a box, call it an official expansion, and charge for it (but mostly do it for the shelf space).
I'd pay for it, to see the changes, but like I said before, I won't pay to wait till it's out, debugged, balanced, and positively reviewed by a few sites.
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CubePusher
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Posted - 2003.12.06 22:32:00 -
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From a marketting point of view, the best thing they could do is to put Castor in a box, call it an official expansion, and charge for it (but mostly do it for the shelf space).
I'd pay for it, to see the changes, but like I said before, I won't pay to wait till it's out, debugged, balanced, and positively reviewed by a few sites.
Will you people please stop talking about boxes, CCP has seen the light. The boxes didnÆt work for the initial release so why would it work for an expansion? Who will pay for an expansion to a game that offers what the first release was suppost to offer other than the people who already have the game? not to mention the fact that if they made it an expansion they'd need to get in another distributor which would just cause the same issues S&SI did, your suppost to learn from your mistakes so not to repeat them. CCP is much better off keeping it all in house, online distribution is (in my book) the most significant thing they have done, even more important than castor (when it comes), This way they donÆt have to many people at the table pulling them every which way but loose.
Also Castor from everything IÆve seen on the forums seems to be more or less finished. So how long do you think it would take for CCP to find and make a deal with a distributor? And how long do you think it would take that distributor to package the game and get it in the stores? And going by the games previous sales and how many stores took it off the shelves how much do you think that deal will be worth? My opinion (for whatever its worth) is that it's not really worth all the trouble charging for something that was suppost to be free, and I think it would be bad business releasing an expansion for EVE when there is still stuff in the instruction manual that is not in the game yet, and still wouldnÆt be in the game even with the expansion.
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Fuse
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Posted - 2003.12.07 03:19:00 -
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Well i'm bored as hell... need something quick!!!
Yep lost 2 players in my corp last week they said the same thing. They were not really active because they were tired of waiting.
Patience is a starburst fruit chew.
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Bowden Cervelo
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Posted - 2003.12.07 04:35:00 -
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Will you people please stop talking about boxes, CCP has seen the light. The boxes didnÆt work for the initial release so why would it work for an expansion?
FWIW from this total newbie, I wouldn't be here playing were it not for CCP finally releasing a downloadable client. I agree that boxing up a patch and calling it an expansion pack just for the sake of some shelf space isn't an idea that I think would work.
But then again, I'm not a marketer so what do I know?
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Cyrus Bishop
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Posted - 2003.12.07 05:35:00 -
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...I gotta wear shades.
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NTRabbit
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Posted - 2003.12.07 05:47:00 -
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Boxing up a patch and releasing it as an expansion is whats commonly known as "EA Standard Operating Procedure"
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