May I ask when you guys (CCP) have plans to do something/upgrade mining?

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Frostline would have been a great opportunity to introduce new mining tech. ORE gets busted free, the Serpentis (who`ve held ORE for so long) just get busted and Damn! (can I say damn?) It just so happens ORE were working on new and wonderful mining tech!

At the moment we`re just sitting ducks, waiting to be killed or bumped into position for a kill.

Bumping - When ocean going mounted ships 'bumped' other ships (i.e. Ramming) it was considered a hostile act an it should be considered that in the game as well..never mind the fact that a smaller ship can bump a freighter and even make it move...without damage!
(Pretty much like seeing a dingy bumping a cargo freighter - we all know what would happen there!)

Each nation has it`s own ships, from rookie ships to Titans and even individualized transport ships....but no mining ships?
Same can be said for the NPC nations. We`ve seen massive changes in NPC ships...but no mining ships.

...and by more sitting ducks that could mean more upset players (just like me), who spend many hours mining only to get shot out of the 'sky' by cheap, crappy little ships with negligible action taken on the aggressor...they just wait 15 minutes and buy a new cheap, crappy ship!!!

Bumping - When ocean going mounted ships 'bumped' other ships (i.e. Ramming) it was considered a hostile act an it should be considered that in the game as well..never mind the fact that a smaller ship can bump a freighter and even make it move...without damage!
(Pretty much like seeing a dingy bumping a cargo freighter - we all know what would happen there!)

...revamps on missiles...

...and by more sitting ducks that could mean more upset players (just like me), who spend many hours mining only to get shot out of the 'sky' by cheap, crappy little ships with negligible action taken on the aggressor...they just wait 15 minutes and buy a new cheap, crappy ship!!!

IB4L

There used to be "racial mining ships." They were the...

- Bantam

- Osprey

This will not be locked for at least 15 pages...but hey, you made the first page.

Oh God, not this again. Can't you use the search function dude?

What about friendly bumping?

Also, learn the game mechanics and what a MWD does to your ship when it is turned on. Might also help deal with these problems...you know learning to play the game you are supposedly playing.

This a little rant about mining....

Hi Guys,

I think it`s awesome that my post has received so much feedback, thank you everyone for that...both positive ....and otherwise!

Rather than take an individual item i.e. ganking, take the whole picture. What has happened in the last year to improve mining, mining ships, mining modules, mining rigs...

Then compare that to the changes that have happened throughout Eve for just about everything else...

Is mining being left behind? Is there a mining standstill?

Teckos Pech - not sure what you mean about the search option, could you please extrapolate....but then again your comment could be considered trolling!

Procurers & Skiffs fall victim just like everyone else...what are the options of an independent miner in a tackled procurer with a tech 2 stabs versus 5 frigates/destroyers? ...or 1 camper with a cyno?

Skiffs are 170 million, Catalysts are 1 million...Catalysts have 8 high slots, 2 medium, 3 low. Skiffs Have 1 high slot, 5 medium, 3 low. Twice as many slots at only 170th of the price!

What mining ships need is to be treated equally with slots and PG/CPU with ships of their class and have the ability to fit unbonused weapons of their class without nerfing their mining.

I.E. Imagine a Covetor with 6 highs, 4 mids, 4 lows (14 slots) like a cruiser. I'd personally call barges BC's as they should be big vessels, but lets use cruisers for now.
Hardcap it to 3 strip miners like Command Links are capped on CS. You could even allow a mining coprocessor if you really insisted but I wouldn't bother personally. Then give it 4 turret/launcher slots.
It can now fit a prop mod, it can now fit a serious active tank, it can fit a buffer, it can fight rats.



This allows several follow on effects to occur.

Belt rats in highsec can stop being a total joke and become a challenge. This increases diversity in highsec of income sources even if it's not great income, and increases attentiveness of miners.
Miners get used to the idea that even miners have to fight and this helps train them for fighting other players as it means they aren't in a weaponless pacifistic mindset.
It means escorts aren't required. While escorts are great in theory in reality it's even more boring than mining. But a mining fleet becomes their own escorts by sheer number of guns on the grid even if each of them is less effective compared to a real combat ship. This then increases fun when the miners are attacked as they feel like they can fight back and do some damage.
It creates fitting trade offs in a far more interesting manner, since they now have a bunch of different pressures on their fits rather than not having the room to fit anything so the only valid choice is MLU's.

So let me see, you want your specialized mining ship to get a buff to also have 4 weapon slots...1 slot less than a regular cruisers. No.

BTW, have you looked at the drone bonuses for ships like the procurer and the skiff? 50% bonus to the drone HP and damage. It is already a tough little ship with a BS level tank, and decent damage output. Hell, you can be your own damn escort fleet, IMO. You even have a big enough drone bay to fit 5 medium drones and 5 armor repair drones in case anyone actually took armor damage.

And no, belt rats are a joke in HS because if you want the big fat juicy ones....go to null. We do not need a diversity of HS incomes especially ISK faucets. Seriously, this part of your post is just terrible.

You older folk , speak of mining vessels that are now redundant (and before my time on Eve), I`m pretty sure that there were redundant combat vessels also which have passed into obscurity...