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Light Darkness Mercenaries of Andosia Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2007.01.18 18:03:00 - [1] Edited by: Light Darkness on 18/01/2007 18:01:10 There are good times, there are bad times, there are beginnings and what every beginning brings along with itself is allready the end. We started once out of Stain Allaince with 600 men and women trying our luck in eve and not long after that finding our home in the Great Wildlands. From that point on we found many friends and made even more enemies, There where up¦s and down¦s, Regions we claimed and lost. Empires we saw rising and falling. And now the time has come for us to say "good bye". There might be people who can not admit the facts but unlike them we dont live in the past or shiny old days, we know we have to go on and face the future in our beloved eve. From this point on we want to thank everyone that fought on our side and helped us to achive our goals and brought us closer to our dreams You will be never forgotten and so is Veritas Immortalis. Veritas Immortalis will ever stay in my dreams... Best Regards /LD ex-V-President ex-V-Fleet Command Signature dimensions exceeds max 400x120 dimensions allowed.-Eldo Dont look so much on the sig¦s.look more on the petition section¦s !!- LD
Orc A Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.18 18:09:00 - [2] /me Salutes to Light Darkness. Sad day, old friend, sad day indeed. Good luck in your future endevours, where ever the stars lead you to. End of an Era indeed. Originally by: End Yourself hey! we are BoB's lapdogs! not Oberon's or ASCN's!!!
Koronos Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.18 18:12:00 - [3] Luck to you in future LD. Always respected -V-. Koronos
Dregena Amarr Regalis Industria Scientia Entreprendre Axiom Empire	Posted - 2007.01.18 18:13:00 - [4] Respect -V- Gl LD and all the other V pilots in whatever they do! Regalis Recruiting
Pepperami Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.18 18:14:00 - [5] Sad day. I'm sure the original V Spirit lives on in many areas of the Galaxy - I just hope it spreads GL all ex-members. [EVE TASK BAR?]
Hehulk Black Sea Industries	Posted - 2007.01.18 18:14:00 - [6] Good grief I can only say I'm shocked and stunned as the one alliance in eve I really liked sails into the pages of history. To all -V- corps, past and present good luck. ---------- It's great being minmatar, ain't it
LordHelmchen Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.18 18:14:00 - [7] sad day good luck LD cheers LH
zykerx Pegasus Mining and Securities R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.18 18:15:00 - [8] diddnt saw that coming o.0 wel good luck with the future, tobad about -V-
sariss Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.18 18:19:00 - [9] /salutes Flying with -V- was a blast. You will be remembered.
Kyguard Fire Mandrill Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.18 18:27:00 - [10] /FireM salutes Good luck in your future. -

Endlos Null Angel Deep Corporation	Posted - 2007.01.18 18:28:00 - [11] Having flown with -V-, I'd like to say it was fun flying with you guys. Great bunch, good luck in whatever you do in the future.
abukede Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.18 18:30:00 - [12] It was an honor to fly along side the men and women who made V what it was, a quality organization with good solid and friendly people who repeatedly fought hard against overwhelming odds. I have made many friends among V and am saddened to see such a fine group of people lay down the V banner. I wish you all the very best luck with your future in Eve. abu Shinra is the Predator and Eve is our prey.
Aeon Yakati Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.18 18:32:00 - [13] Edited by: Aeon Yakati on 18/01/2007 18:31:36 :( Shorty after -V- was formed, it really began to flourish when we went to take over GW from Foundation and it's golden age was when the -V- vs RA war commenced by -V's taking of JLO and 1v-. This is how -V- will be remembered by and it's a good memory to cherish. -V- R.I.P.
unos Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.18 18:35:00 - [14] Good luck guys! Praeparatus supervivet! A wise man does not fear, a man afraid does not think!
Cardassius Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.01.18 18:35:00 - [15] Damn damn damn.. Just when we were planning something :(
Engad Tanon Enterprise Estonia	Posted - 2007.01.18 18:43:00 - [16] It was amasing [PvP]time
Ediz Daxx FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.18 18:43:00 - [17]
Ghost Reaper Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:01:00 - [18] o7 been a honour! Gr
jbob2000 Gallente KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:06:00 - [19] :( New Eve UI
D'onryu Shoqui Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:16:00 - [20] /emote saltues! good luck to all the ex -v- guys i hope you find whatever you are looking for and carry on having fun

el toppolino Caldari Fury Corporation Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:21:00 - [21] its sad to hear. V was my home once. we had so many nice fights and i wont forget the time when just a few women and men fought for GW against Foundation. this time created the spirit a lot of ppl grew up with and still live in their art of fighting. even i had my problems with you LD i had lots of fun flying with ya and we did damn well i would say. good luck for your future PS: we search a good miner for our corp. interested ?
DaMiGe Amarr Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:22:00 - [22] Respect for -V- you all faught well ---> My vids <--- latest movie = Lock 'N Load 6
Codin Plaks Gallente Dawn of a new Empire	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:29:00 - [23] It was an honor to be part of this alliance. We had a blast! Thx for all the good times LD! Regards, Codin -------------------------------------------- We are recruiting. Click here for info.
putukas Enterprise Estonia	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:37:00 - [24] Edited by: putukas on 18/01/2007 19:33:30 sad but true :( i had great time flying with -V- Many good times. But its time to leave it behind and go on. Salute to LD!
Cassius Hawkeye Minmatar UK Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:39:00 - [25] And so it shall be Veritas Immortalis will always be remembered as a good friend, and a great ally. Best of luck to all former -v- pilots and LD to.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:41:00 - [26] Edited by: Plutoinum on 18/01/2007 19:38:03 Ok, since this seems to be the end, I say thanks to all I've had the honor to fly with, -V- members and allies, especially to Light Darkness for all he did for -V-/us. Was a pleasure to fly with you. We had a lot of fun. Also thanks to our enemies for the action, even if it was sometimes a pain. And good luck to all ex-V members, whatever you choose to do now. Have fun and cu in space ! (choose the proper smilie yourself ^^)
Mirasta Caldari Aggressive Tendencies	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:48:00 - [27] Best allience i have been in from beginning all the way to the last days, i will miss it all. All the corps i had the pleasure of with, i thank you. LD You where awsome. Of couse, You are now reading my sig.
Devoras2 Amarr KIA Corp KIA Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:50:00 - [28] Good luck -V- Dev It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Kal'Kalagan Aggressive Tendencies	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:54:00 - [29] Many thanks -V-, was a blast! Your sig is too big, maximum allowed size is 24000 bytes (400x120 pixels). - Devil ([email protected])
Adam C 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:54:00 - [30] Originally by: Light Darkness There might be people who can not admit the facts Beit glad, saddened or reminiscent. The game changes so much all good players must do the same to keep on top of their game. Join something that works and make it stronger. 'strengh to strengh' was always my motto. Originally by: Pepperami Sad day. I'm sure the original V Spirit lives on in many areas of the Galaxy - I just hope it spreads GL all ex-members. Yes it does Originally by: Aeon Yakati -V's taking of JLO and 1v-. This is how -V- will be remembered by and it's a good memory to cherish. -V- R.I.P. gg on both sides. What do you plan todo now LD? are you going to be true to your game, or are you going to change that? Goodluck see you in space

Stormhold FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:59:00 - [31] Great respect for knowing when to end an alliance. Some people don't seem to know when it is better to let a name rest :) Was nice to fly with your guys.
Drash Kammatarr German Cyberdome Corp	Posted - 2007.01.18 19:59:00 - [32] Edited by: Drash Kammatarr on 18/01/2007 19:56:02 It was an honour to fly with -V- . Although my time in -V- was short, it was the time when I had the best fights, gangs, most fun and greatest m8s one can imagine. But all the best things must eventually come to an end. Just one thing to remember: The day -V- ended, the most tremendously hurricane in decades struck Germany and other european countries. What an impact
Yucali Candy Hearts	Posted - 2007.01.18 20:09:00 - [33] you were an alliance of worthless pubbie mouthbreathers while you existed, but at least you had the decency to stick together instead of infesting the rest of the community with your overwhelming retardation. now that you've finally admitted you're worthless and can't survive as an alliance, I expect we'll find -V- pilots trying to mainstream themselves within other previously untainted corps and alliances, so thanks a lot for nothing
Popsikle Caffeine Commodities Company	Posted - 2007.01.18 20:10:00 - [34] As long as I can remember, you guys have been at the top of your game. Im sure no matter where you go, that will remain. /Salute __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-
BlackFury Prison Break Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.18 20:14:00 - [35] Always sad to see a good alliance end. Respect LD, you always kept us on our toes. Good Luck in whatever path you choose. BlackFury CEO - Prison Break Inc. Proud Ex-Alcatraz Inc.
Tristi Anis	Posted - 2007.01.18 20:18:00 - [36] Edited by: Tristi Anis on 18/01/2007 20:20:37 Thank you -v- for good pvp times. Flying in LD fleet was strategy wise awsome experience. Learned alot. Good luck to all ex-v-'s. Cya in future. Dmn alt :S Trist Ian .EE
Swirler	Posted - 2007.01.18 20:19:00 - [37] With the greatest respect and admiration, for the men and women that made Veritas Immortalis -V- the shining beacon of teamwork, dedication, fortitude, and courage, rarely seen in Eve-online. A 21 Gun Salute. A toast to your name. A tearful eye. A fond farewell. A sad goodbye.
Beyond Horizon Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.18 20:32:00 - [38] LD :((( Would like to hear more about your plans guys... :( - BH
Hehulk Black Sea Industries	Posted - 2007.01.18 20:51:00 - [39] Originally by: Yucali you were an alliance of worthless pubbie mouthbreathers while you existed, but at least you had the decency to stick together instead of infesting the rest of the community with your overwhelming retardation. now that you've finally admitted you're worthless and can't survive as an alliance, I expect we'll find -V- pilots trying to mainstream themselves within other previously untainted corps and alliances, so thanks a lot for nothing And you are? -V- Fought against RA for well over 18 months. I'd like to see anyone else claim such tenacious behavious. Since you've not even been playing 1/2 that though, I wouldn't expect understanding. So, proof or stfu. ---------- It's great being minmatar, ain't it
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.01.18 20:52:00 - [40] It saddens me more than anything to see this. I will leave it at that and say Good-Bye -V-. It has a good thing tho. Finally I can start farming LD :D He drops better loot than most officers. Regards c0rn1 x x x x x x x x x x x x x x Life's a waste of time ...

Pepperami Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.18 20:55:00 - [41] Originally by: c0rn1 It saddens me more than anything to see this. I will leave it at that and say Good-Bye -V-. It has a good thing tho. Finally I can start farming LD :D He drops better loot than most officers. Regards c0rn1 Well, it always has been true that in the south Seraphins drop the best loot. /me starts running. [EVE TASK BAR?]
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.01.18 20:56:00 - [42] Originally by: Pepperami Originally by: c0rn1 It saddens me more than anything to see this. I will leave it at that and say Good-Bye -V-. It has a good thing tho. Finally I can start farming LD :D He drops better loot than most officers. Regards c0rn1 Well, it always has been true that in the south Seraphins drop the best loot. /me starts running. yeah, pepp, but they are the hardest to kill :D /me pursuits you x x x x x x x x x x x x x x Life's a waste of time ...
Serge Amarr Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.01.18 21:08:00 - [43] well, this is a surprise sad to see one really cool alliance close thanks to you guys out there for having had the chance to be part of this for a good while ... and all the best to it¦s remainders --- Don¦t panic
BustyBounty Caldari Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.18 21:18:00 - [44] Originally by: Stormhold Great respect for knowing when to end an alliance. Some people don't seem to know when it is better to let a name rest :) Was nice to fly with your guys. some people just cant help themselfs can they anyway to -v- respect for the greats fights you had vs imp. ------------------------------------------ My opinions are my own and not that of the alliance I belong to.
redeye uk StateCorp	Posted - 2007.01.18 21:33:00 - [45] A sad day, my time in -V- was the most fun I've had as part of an alliance, good luck to all. Originally by: Yucali you were an alliance of worthless pubbie mouthbreathers while you existed, but at least you had the decency to stick together instead of infesting the rest of the community with your overwhelming retardation. now that you've finally admitted you're worthless and can't survive as an alliance, I expect we'll find -V- pilots trying to mainstream themselves within other previously untainted corps and alliances, so thanks a lot for nothing Chief Diplomatic Liason
Sir Kad Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.18 21:37:00 - [46] sounds like a goon alt... Respect to -V-
MarKand FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.18 21:40:00 - [47] /M
Karl Shade FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.18 21:43:00 - [48] Originally by: Yucali [...] overwhelming retardation. [...] Oh yes. Sad to see ya go V, you¦ve always been a fun bunch to fly with. Cheers guys and girls! -
Hudsonn Minmatar FireTech Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.18 21:53:00 - [49] Some good fights.
Popsikle Caffeine Commodities Company	Posted - 2007.01.18 21:54:00 - [50] Edited by: Popsikle on 18/01/2007 21:50:50 Originally by: Yucali you were an alliance of worthless pubbie mouthbreathers while you existed, but at least you had the decency to stick together instead of infesting the rest of the community with your overwhelming retardation. now that you've finally admitted you're worthless and can't survive as an alliance, I expect we'll find -V- pilots trying to mainstream themselves within other previously untainted corps and alliances, so thanks a lot for nothing Good day, you lose. -V-'s fall was predicted, but that does not mean they went without heart. Hell even up until last night, flying around GW, RED/NUET to -V- you could always find a fight, and a good one normally. __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-

Zoron REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.18 21:59:00 - [51] hard decision well gl guys and respect it was pleasure and hard to fight against -v- o7
D'Jannek Amarr StateCorp	Posted - 2007.01.18 22:04:00 - [52] That's a shame. V were marvellous chaps to fly both with, and against. Good luck in all future endeavours.
Klezz FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.18 22:05:00 - [53] Indeed very sad news LD Fly safe guys , been a pleasure flying with you.
Legenda Caldari Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.01.18 22:23:00 - [54] Originally by: Yucali you were an alliance of worthless pubbie mouthbreathers while you existed, but at least you had the decency to stick together instead of infesting the rest of the community with your overwhelming retardation. now that you've finally admitted you're worthless and can't survive as an alliance, I expect we'll find -V- pilots trying to mainstream themselves within other previously untainted corps and alliances, so thanks a lot for nothing And who are you again ? LD ...,good luck whatever you do and i hope next time we meet im shooting your ass ^^ ( i know we meet again on oposite sides) ^^ This is a sad day for -v- and those of us who were once flying together ... Legenda [ 2005.12.07 17:45:23 ] Ikvar > Are you really that stupid? [ 2005.12.07 17:45:30 ] Spr1nger > YES
Nebuchadnezzar I Templars of Space	Posted - 2007.01.18 22:45:00 - [55] Thank you all for the times we had :) And Goodluck in the future, may we once fly together again in some form.
0ss0	Posted - 2007.01.18 22:55:00 - [56] Can I have your stuff? Since you owe me around a billion in lost ships and loot. I want my revenge!
Namelesz Dismemberment	Posted - 2007.01.18 22:56:00 - [57] Me Salutes -V- so fades another great alliance. GG.
Mutant UA Industry Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.18 22:58:00 - [58] Respect and GL, we had many great fights...
CaPsA Caldari Section XIII Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2007.01.18 23:01:00 - [59] Good Luck in your futur all people of -V- ! Respect, it was nice to fight you. CaPsA o7
Kadarin Wolfenrecon Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2007.01.18 23:08:00 - [60] Respect to LD and crew, and best wishes for the future. Also, I'm going to miss that banner...

MoeStyles Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.18 23:14:00 - [61] Respect to -V- and best of luck to all of you where ever you find yourselves flying.. cheers, -moe --
Furain Devil	Posted - 2007.01.18 23:21:00 - [62] Respect to all -v- pilots that i've lfy with and to a great FC that is LD . -v- will stay in our hearts and will never die and like the phoenix someday will live again and will bring fear and darkness on the enemyes.
Bastogne Caldari Merch Industrial	Posted - 2007.01.18 23:56:00 - [63] Best of luck to all former -V- pilots; may your future endeavors place you among decent friends and favorable circumstances.
LiquidSteele Brutor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.19 00:36:00 - [64] Respect to you LD and also to all those pilots I had the pleasure of flying with while in -V-. Good Luck to all whatever you do. Sincerly, LS
Elianora Sanitars of Dungeon	Posted - 2007.01.19 01:02:00 - [65] noooo....our favourite lets have a bit pvp fun guys are disbanding? sad day indeed. u will be missed
Bluebeard LoneStar Industries	Posted - 2007.01.19 01:24:00 - [66] It was a pleasure to serve in -V- and after 18 months of almost continually being on the offensive, it's a shame to see a proud Alliance end. Goodbye V, you will be missed Bluebeard
w0rmy Intensive CareBearz Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.19 01:45:00 - [67] Had a lot of fun fighting you guys! Best of luck where ever your future takes you LD... But somehow I dont think you'll need luck! Originally by: Rod Blaine The same people that'd do good to reign you in and bash you head in probably, but won't.
Adrian Steel Caldari Knowledge Capsuleers	Posted - 2007.01.19 02:08:00 - [68] Originally by: Yucali you were an alliance of worthless pubbie mouthbreathers while you existed, but at least you had the decency to stick together instead of infesting the rest of the community with your overwhelming retardation. now that you've finally admitted you're worthless and can't survive as an alliance, I expect we'll find -V- pilots trying to mainstream themselves within other previously untainted corps and alliances, so thanks a lot for nothing Classic! I second this!
olyyy Gallente V I R I I Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2007.01.19 02:31:00 - [69] I salute Light Darkness the honorable fighter. Good luck in your next endehvours Men never lie more than before elections, during war and after hunting.
Grant Smith Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.19 02:36:00 - [70] Farewell -V-. o>

Mortalitis Aggressive Tendencies	Posted - 2007.01.19 02:46:00 - [71] o7 A sad day for the alliance that taught me a lot over the past god knows how many months to end I will always remember V, and LD screaming 'Get to the Konora gate' over TS Good luck to all the corps that have left
Littleluk The Ancient Order Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.19 03:47:00 - [72] I want to offer my best wishes for whatever challenges you and your fine pilots tackle in the future. You have a well earned place in history and my personal uptmost respect. From my first day in Eve, I have heard good things about yourself and V. It is inevitable that you will find a palce in the sun again soon. Thank you for making Eve a better place with your class style and ethics. Fly safe V. Littleluk, Curse Alliance Diplomat Everyone needs a little luk.
Achem	Posted - 2007.01.19 04:09:00 - [73] Good Fights, Good Times, cya -V-
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.19 05:02:00 - [74] Sad day, not sure what to say other than this is quite a shock. Was a time not that long ago V was imo without a doubt the best alliance in EVE, a shame it had to end, but all good things come to an end. Salute all the old V pilots, good luck with whatever you decide to do next. CEO - Art of War
sMoKe AU Veto. Veto Corp	Posted - 2007.01.19 06:38:00 - [75] Respect for shutting the alliance down mate. When we left KOS and joined -V- my reason was because I felt we had little to learn from KOS. I knew we would all learn a lot from flying with -V-. Thanks to all those I flew with in -V-. Blue Adept and LD gangs were always the win.
Amon 'Chakai FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.19 07:05:00 - [76] laters V, atleast we'll see the corps around in eve still. ??====??====??====??====??====??====??====??====??==?? If eve even makes close up to 60-70k+ dollars per day as budget.. they could throw about 140k-300k easily to hardware upgrade once per year.
LTD THOR Sensus Numinis	Posted - 2007.01.19 07:10:00 - [77] fuk! (still cant believe it) ..the letter "V" will for ever stay for my best, hardest and most funny times in my evelife. my deepest respect to the leaders and members which flown under one banner like "one corp", ready to stand and fight as one man for the alliance! gamemechs gave often more hell than all enemies V ever met, but the spirit will survive - for sure. o7 My 1st video : =RED WARS-The Beginning= ;)
huxorator Intergalactic Serenity	Posted - 2007.01.19 07:51:00 - [78] o7 It was a great time in -V- I will miss that, and I think I will miss the "one shot, one kill"-club the most. Yarr. ... and as the beginning always leads to an end, there is the end which will be the beginning of a new era. See you around former V's! :)
Denpositive Minmatar Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.19 08:12:00 - [79] Edited by: Denpositive on 19/01/2007 08:10:28 Iam so sad to hear that -V- is no more my fellow Kitchenmaker . I have had many good times in V, you wont find a better Fleet commander than LD, He will stick to his Task, there are many FC but only one LD, and his littel female Puppy Princess A. I wish u all GL . Denpositive . INFOD all the Way .
Kriger Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.19 08:14:00 - [80] ah man :( Alot can be said, but being a bit at this, ill just say - Respect -V-, You were the most fun, dedicated alliance ive been in. Sad indeed. .:: Kriger's gfx Factory ::.

Gralgathor Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.01.19 08:27:00 - [81] This is a sad day indeed. I have nothing but love and respect for the pilots of Immortal Truth. Fly well. -------
NeverL Enterprise Estonia	Posted - 2007.01.19 08:33:00 - [82] wtb new alliance
Noluck Ned FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.19 08:40:00 - [83] Much respect to -V- To those of us who once fought by your side you will always be remebered. I certainly picked up many tips on fleet command while flying in combined gangs under LD. I applaud your descision to call it a day even though it is a sad day for EVE. Good luck to all ex -V- pilots in all your future endeavours. Ned F4T4L - Recruitment and Corp Charter
Major Tarsis Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.19 08:58:00 - [84] GL to all. It was an honour and a pleasure to fly with you guys. You fought honourably and bravely. GL in all your future endevours. MT My comments are purely in character and should not be considered a personal attack especially if taken out of context. - awaiting mods reply via email
deValhubert StateCorp	Posted - 2007.01.19 08:59:00 - [85] I fought against V in the Foundation and I fought with them against RA recently, and it was an amazing alliance, full of some great people. LD is a fantastic leader and one of the best FCs I've flown with - it's a sad day indeed.
Z00T Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.19 09:05:00 - [86] *Z00T salutes ITFB has been great -V- has been awesome but dont be sad...there will be more wrecks to be salvaged :D respect to all FC's and specially seraphim for administrating also dont forget Cardassius who did the excellent Killboard and forum o/ .
Broska Shadow Blades	Posted - 2007.01.19 09:32:00 - [87] /respect + Good luck to all ex-V- corps. Flew with this alliance when I was apart of LV. Top Notch Alliance made up of some decent corps :) ------------------------------ Originally by: Tovarishch flying a Scorp into a fleet battle is like parking a pink moped in front of a biker bar - you will die... quickly.
Diicc Tater Aggressive Tendencies	Posted - 2007.01.19 09:54:00 - [88] I've was a member of V for almost 1 year. During that time I can actually count the time I didn't spend in pvp-fleets or pvp-gangs in hours. I went in with more ISK than I came away with but knowledge and experience has a price and this was well worth it. Thanks to all former -v-. It was a great ride while it lasted and it warms my heart to remember our fleets, commanders and warriors. I think it's also in it's place to say thank you to: RA. I do not think there will be an exaple of such tenacity, ever. You are truely a great enemy. To LV. For REALLY supporting when support was needed. Oh yes. To RAM, the guys that would stay and fight at almost any odds. Great respect. Juba, nothing but miners? Yeah right, I've seen you fight. Under Construction I guess
Lequid Amarr Xenobytes Stain Empire	Posted - 2007.01.19 09:59:00 - [89] /me waves to LD
Mekova Gallente Mercenaries of Andosia	Posted - 2007.01.19 11:00:00 - [90] In -V- I had my best and worst times in EVE. Great to have been part of an alliance like this. thanks for all the FC's, the senate, high council and all pilots for this great experience. LD I salute you. Just say jump and i'll ask how high! see you in MoA

Komolov Gallente REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.19 12:24:00 - [91] Originally by: NeverL wtb new alliance To save fuel in your POS? Sorry, good alliances aren't for sale and i bet you don't want ****ty one. --------------------
Engad Tanon Enterprise Estonia	Posted - 2007.01.19 12:42:00 - [92] wtb new komolov
munchy Prison Break Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.19 13:02:00 - [93] Mad respect for LD and his crew, you guys have been the yin to our yang for a very long time, almost 2 years we've been fighting you and you've kept us on our toes all along. V was a tough nut to *****, and many of the pilots/ex pilots (el topolino, LD, headhunta 2, enscholsen (sp?), engad tanon, to name a very very small minority) will have my respect forever. good luck guys, but.... who are we going to kill now?? ---
Possi Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.01.19 13:12:00 - [94] Edited by: Possi on 19/01/2007 13:10:16 i think you mean entschlossen ;) i had a good time with V but im interested if anyone is so proud and respectful bout ld when he announce what hes planing next (my personal opinion)
Hudsonn Minmatar FireTech Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.19 13:17:00 - [95] Well, what ever they do next, i'm sure they'll have fun doing it. Anyone have any idea?
Miss Shifty FinFleet Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.19 13:32:00 - [96] -V- might cease it's existence, but it will never die!
Shadoo North Eastern Swat	Posted - 2007.01.19 13:58:00 - [97] It was always a pleasure to fly with -V-, and especially you LD. Best of luck in future path. When you need more Battleships, you got one more to count on always .
JERIC0 NailorTech Industries Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.19 14:05:00 - [98] It's always sad to see an alliance close its doors. Good luck guys, Wish you all the best in the future
LUCKY HEADY Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.01.19 15:07:00 - [99] !!!!!!!!! V Spirit lives !!!!!!!!!!!!!! i had a good time with V and good fights GREATINGS TO ALL EX -V-
Rocket Aeter	Posted - 2007.01.19 15:13:00 - [100] Very sad to hear best of luck to a v pilots

Rocket Aeter	Posted - 2007.01.19 15:15:00 - [101] Very sad to hear best of luck to all v pilots
Enosh Kerrim Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.01.19 15:32:00 - [102] what was the -V- spirit ? to that have forgotten i¦ll sum it up. 1. Fights are fun 2. we take any fights doesnt matter the odds 3. no smack in local 4. Loyality ,we never backstabbed any1 5. Honour and Bravery this was -V- keep it in ur hearts and bring it to where ever u move. Also mucho saludos to RA an alliance, could turn to an nightmare, to fight vs .U guys earned my respect during the last 2 years of nonstop fights.what u do u do it straight.
Dr Kojak Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.19 15:42:00 - [103] Dear LD and Veritas Immortalis. I wish all of you good luck and god speed. I also grant every single -V- member a free enema at my doctors office. Whatever you choose to do, keep the moral high and the jokes dirty as usual and you'll all be fine. dr Kojak
LoKesh Amarr SH Brotherhood R i s e	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:16:00 - [104] Best of luck to you all - my time spent in GW fighting against you was always fun.
Gauss Belloid Prison Break Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:47:00 - [105] Truly the end of an era. Had a blast fighting you guys for almost my entire EVE career. In TSOR, all by myself, in Alcatraz and lately in Prison Break. Have fun whatever you choose to do - that's what it's all about after all!
Drash Kammatarr German Cyberdome Corp	Posted - 2007.01.19 16:51:00 - [106] Originally by: Yucali you were an alliance of worthless pubbie mouthbreathers while you existed, but at least you had the decency to stick together instead of infesting the rest of the community with your overwhelming retardation. now that you've finally admitted you're worthless and can't survive as an alliance, I expect we'll find -V- pilots trying to mainstream themselves within other previously untainted corps and alliances, so thanks a lot for nothing And who might you be? Definitely nothing more than a sad NOOB who seems to have been podded to often by a glorious alliance. Well...I know your name and I'm sure we'll meet sometime in space and then we'll see who's "worthless"
soppy	Posted - 2007.01.19 18:03:00 - [107] Indeed a sad day :(. I have been in 3 alliances and must say i learnt the most from -v-, ld and the enemies. You where always willing to fight and what you achieved out in sp for a pvp alliance was impressive (even if you where unable to hold it from the massive volume of enemies). Good luck in your furture endevours and thanks for making eve alot better to play.
AeKi Dragonian Freelancers Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.19 18:04:00 - [108] Doh post above is from me forgot to change character details my bad :(
AnubsiRa Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.01.19 18:24:00 - [109] Some Tears dropping... We had a lot of Fun in -V- and all members and at least with our Enemys too was a pleasure to Fly with and against you guys. But all have an End so Alliances too wish you all luck and Fun in the Game and i¦m sure we see a lot of them soon again and have still contact to some guys... Thx for the Fun for all in -V- History involved ppl. AnubsiRa
Possi Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.01.20 03:14:00 - [110] nice to see that gauss is posting here one of the guys i have to show my repect always nice fights! never saw any smack! he was the best enemy i ever had hope we see us soon ;)

Ilmonstre Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.01.20 03:40:00 - [111] on to the future may it bring manny goodies for all of you guys
Valgren A.W.M Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.01.20 04:17:00 - [112] Best of luck to you guys in your future endeavors, were respectable pilots for the most part, had fun flying against you. Valgren Public Relations Director AWM Ka-tet
Marneous Calgar Caldari Dragons Of Redemption Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.20 07:14:00 - [113] -V- was my first alliance and all I knew for my first 6 months. Its a very sad day to see it leave the world of Eve, I'll miss the Princess and LD, as well as Meef, Blue Adept and all the other friends that I made while I was in -V-. May you all find what we had in -V- whereever you go -V- will always be in my bio. O7 --------------------------------------------- The Dragon rides again apon the winds of time.
Lillegutt Caldari PAX Interstellar Services Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.20 07:50:00 - [114] Truly a sad day. I had my best time in Eve blowing reds out of the sky and learnt alot about pvp flying in -V- with LD. U could always count on the guys and girls and -V- never left a m8 behind. Great respect to u guys! God luck to all ex-V members wherever u go! A good friend would bail u out from jail. A true friend would sit right beside u saying: "This was fu***** awesome!"
Neco Sulum Stronghold corp Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.20 09:34:00 - [115] o7 Best of luck to you all.
Phoenicia Lunar Dawn Storm Armada	Posted - 2007.01.20 12:37:00 - [116] Ten HUT! There is no peace, there is only BOOBIES!
Cmdr Sy Appetite 4 Destruction	Posted - 2007.01.20 13:20:00 - [117] Edited by: Cmdr Sy on 20/01/2007 13:17:09 It's a shame, but I will always have fond memories of flying in the glory days of -V-. Logoffs on Fraps
ramptrick Caldari Art of War Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.20 21:22:00 - [118] sad sad day, best days i had in EVE was when i was flying in -V-!! wish you all luck guys!
Francis Reighn Amarr Liga Freier Terraner	Posted - 2007.01.21 01:09:00 - [119] Sad Day, sad News. It was a pleasure to fight with u all guys.... We will see us around. And keep on rolling.
Abraxius Gallente Liga Freier Terraner	Posted - 2007.01.21 01:22:00 - [120] it was fun and honour to fight with -V- , and i will never miss this time ... i wish all ex -V- Members good luck in the future and i¦m sure we will see us on the battlefield at wich side ever ...

Tulas Flint Amarr Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.01.21 03:48:00 - [121] byebye -V- thx for the great time ... special thx to LD (greatest FC),SERA,A-WAR,ASCI,DORM,GRET,INFOD,TYC,LFT,NOMADS,PAX,OSSI,SENUM,-DU-,.EE,RES,LSI,USO, etc. there was so many GREAT Corps and pilots which present -V- and the spirit of -V- also thx to all our hostiles (special RED Alliance :P) and friends for the greatest and biggest fights in EVE.
ChRy0 Extinction Level Event Masters Of Space	Posted - 2007.01.21 11:38:00 - [122] I spent most of my time in and with -V-, best alliance i ever joined. Sad to see this day . Good luck to all.
Antonius Gallente REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.21 16:32:00 - [123] good luck LD and V. was good to fight with you Sig must be less than 24000 bytes - Cathath ([email protected])
Prof Einsten Grettistak	Posted - 2007.01.21 20:31:00 - [124] Sad time indeed, we worked with so many talented and dedicated players in V Was a blast and most fun so far in eve. Want to thank every one involved in this once great alliance. Also want to thank RA for many great times, your tactics and dedication excels. All things come to an end, and move in circles,just a question of time
Lem2J Black Sea Industries	Posted - 2007.01.22 14:24:00 - [125] :(.. Not good.. I was at the start of -V-, sad to see it die..
Fr3yr Black Sea Industries	Posted - 2007.01.22 14:45:00 - [126] Was a great time flying in -V- and a great honour too. Sad to see -V- disband now indeed. Had a great time and goods fun with you. Good luck and fly safe to all ex-V-. ----------------------------- This is Fr3yr of the Asgard. -lrOrst lTbe ich mir werde....
John Thorlake	Posted - 2007.01.22 15:33:00 - [127] I was a blast flying and fighting in -V-! Best of luck to all of ya!
Valen L'eganas Gallente Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.01.22 18:53:00 - [128] As an ex -V- Member... It is a sad time. Allways in my heart -V-. (allmost) NOBODY LIKED US, WE DIDN'T CARE! ---------------------- We don't care, what you say. I'mma do my thing, from day to day... We don't care, what you think. 'Cause in this world, it's Swim-or-Sink...
Gr1mreaper Gallente Demonic Retribution	Posted - 2007.01.22 22:36:00 - [129] so is V dead or has one corp left? I just havn't been following things VICTORY WITHOUT INTEGRITY IS LOSS
Moridin Bashere PAX Interstellar Services Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.23 03:39:00 - [130] Sad thing to see, it was the first alliance I flew with. Good luck too all the ex -V- members.

Prophaniti013	Posted - 2007.01.24 03:01:00 - [131] Many of you (if not all) do not remember me, but I can see multiple names in this thread which I remember flying with (and in alliance chat) while I was in PonS. It was a good fight indeed, and major respect for all those involved. You guys taught me everything I know about eve today, and I respect you all tremendously. Fly safe all, and hopefully, if fate allows it, we may fight together again on the same side of the battlefield once more. -Prophaniti013
Fire Hawk Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.24 07:26:00 - [132] Edited by: Fire Hawk on 24/01/2007 07:22:33 /me salutes Sad to hear, but hey, new path for new adventures ;) hf&gl ____________________________________ My mom said I am a poet with a neutron blaster in the hand.
Engad Tanon Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.01.24 07:33:00 - [133] Originally by: Gr1mreaper so is V dead or has one corp left? I just havn't been following things yeah no -V- anymore. Half at last -v- joined NCA and all others against them (NCA then)
Unbeliever Kresmoreen The Scope	Posted - 2007.01.24 08:33:00 - [134] Aye, so long -V-. /start bitter rant I appreciate all the kind words for Veritas. But honestly, what the hell did people expect to happen when half the alliance (over half?) wouldn't turn up to ops, forcing LV to prop us up severely? .. and then 3/4 of the core corps leaving? OMGZ I MISS YOU GUYZ LIKE CANDY!!!111eleventy. Sweet. Perhaps more practical would have been sticking it out (since you love V so much, right?), putting in the hard yards and holding onto (at least some) of our territory? I know, its much easier to lose horribly (whilst mining veld), then go whuggles up to the next alliance to (re)form, than put in any real effort. Only a game, aye? But real people playing it, putting in the hours to keep things nice and safe for your carebearing needs. And yeah, LV are perhaps in dire straits now. Not because they can't PvP well, but the sheer numbers against them are staggering. It makes more sense to be a part of preventing/slowing their demise, rather than expediting it. Such is life. But, not for me. /end bitter rant. So long, V..
Cosian The Shadow Order Hydra Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.24 12:25:00 - [135] Salute!
Velios M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.24 13:41:00 - [136] Originally by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen Aye, so long -V-. /start bitter rant I appreciate all the kind words for Veritas. But honestly, what the hell did people expect to happen when half the alliance (over half?) wouldn't turn up to ops, forcing LV to prop us up severely? .. and then 3/4 of the core corps leaving? OMGZ I MISS YOU GUYZ LIKE CANDY!!!111eleventy. Sweet. Perhaps more practical would have been sticking it out (since you love V so much, right?), putting in the hard yards and holding onto (at least some) of our territory? I know, its much easier to lose horribly (whilst mining veld), then go whuggles up to the next alliance to (re)form, than put in any real effort. Only a game, aye? But real people playing it, putting in the hours to keep things nice and safe for your carebearing needs. And yeah, LV are perhaps in dire straits now. Not because they can't PvP well, but the sheer numbers against them are staggering. It makes more sense to be a part of preventing/slowing their demise, rather than expediting it. Such is life. But, not for me. /end bitter rant. So long, V.. Well said. M.Corp BPC Packages
Nebuchadnezzar I Shih Yang Tong	Posted - 2007.01.25 02:55:00 - [137] Originally by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen Aye, so long -V-. /start bitter rant I appreciate all the kind words for Veritas. But honestly, what the hell did people expect to happen when half the alliance (over half?) wouldn't turn up to ops, forcing LV to prop us up severely? .. and then 3/4 of the core corps leaving? OMGZ I MISS YOU GUYZ LIKE CANDY!!!111eleventy. Sweet. Perhaps more practical would have been sticking it out (since you love V so much, right?), putting in the hard yards and holding onto (at least some) of our territory? I know, its much easier to lose horribly (whilst mining veld), then go whuggles up to the next alliance to (re)form, than put in any real effort. Only a game, aye? But real people playing it, putting in the hours to keep things nice and safe for your carebearing needs. And yeah, LV are perhaps in dire straits now. Not because they can't PvP well, but the sheer numbers against them are staggering. It makes more sense to be a part of preventing/slowing their demise, rather than expediting it. Such is life. But, not for me. /end bitter rant. So long, V.. Who are you again? I never saw you in -V- Did over half of LV turn up to ops? I doubt it tbh. Did we appreciate LV assisting us, of course, the day i left -V-(rather + hour before) i responded to a LV distress call, returning 50m+ to him in Jita, just because. Does chat logs @ chowdown give one a semi bad taste maybe? - to me it shows much about the former -V- members hatred of RA + bandwagon friends that half stay on the side of LV after those chatlogs. Did the "Coalition leadership" fail horribly? Yes. "We cant defeat Ra due to game mechanics" - the same game mechanics RA defeated us with once they got allies. "Sticking it out" would be not giving RA a respite and instead ******* defeating them, ASCN cap ships even came to assist and yet it "wasnt possible"...
Unbeliever Kresmoreen Pro Valde Justicia	Posted - 2007.01.25 07:51:00 - [138] Edited by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen on 25/01/2007 07:48:47 Originally by: Nebuchadnezzar I Originally by: Unbeliever Kresmoreen What i said. Who are you again? I never saw you in -V- Did over half of LV turn up to ops? I doubt it tbh. Did we appreciate LV assisting us, of course, the day i left -V-(rather + hour before) i responded to a LV distress call, returning 50m+ to him in Jita, just because. Does chat logs @ chowdown give one a semi bad taste maybe? - to me it shows much about the former -V- members hatred of RA + bandwagon friends that half stay on the side of LV after those chatlogs. Did the "Coalition leadership" fail horribly? Yes. "We cant defeat Ra due to game mechanics" - the same game mechanics RA defeated us with once they got allies. "Sticking it out" would be not giving RA a respite and instead ***** defeating them, ASCN cap ships even came to assist and yet it "wasnt possible"... First bit is clearly a flame. I'm sorry i didn't log in at times more convenient to you . This terrible +10 gmt timezone. Made the fleets i could (whilst holding down that pesky RL job [bit of time out of the basement does me good!]), got into gangs when I could. Stayed in -V- (check corp history prior to spruking) until the end. Sure, I saw those chatlogs too. Was ed. But then i thought, what -V- had been it certainly wasn't, near the end. Going got tough, and a lot got going, elsewhere. So perhaps as blunt as it was, it held some truth for a part of -V-'s history. They didn't send half their online alliance? i dunno, on the combined TS server, it looked like a **load of LV in ops to save our systems. But push come shove, they're allies, not nursemaids. I agree, in c-j we squandered an opportunity. The other big fault was letting them plex their little ruski hearts out. Untold billions. Their dedication proved > than ours. So yeah, i stand by my previous statement. Time will tell where this whole gangbang ends up.
Burzon PAX Interstellar Services Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.25 08:31:00 - [139] Tbh it is a shame to see -V- end and on the other side it has been a long coming downfall. Dedication from the newer -V- corps was missing and day after day people minded their own business more and more. This finally led to the departure of the veteran -V- corps. When the end came -V- had lost its spirit. So who is to blame here ? The corps, the players, LV, -V- HC or something else. Personally i do not know, but having been Vice President of -V- for sometime i can clearly admit that there have been errors and bad decisions been made. All in all these decisions would not have been as severe if dedication would have been better. In the end -V-¦s missing dedication was the primary driver for their doom. So long, rest in peace "old -V- spirit". Burzon CEO PAX Interstellar Need salvation or paxification ? Call us !
Kal'Kalagan Aggressive Tendencies Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.25 09:46:00 - [140] Originally by: Burzon Tbh it is a shame to see -V- end and on the other side it has been a long coming downfall. Dedication from the newer -V- corps was missing and day after day people minded their own business more and more. This finally led to the departure of the veteran -V- corps. When the end came -V- had lost its spirit. So who is to blame here ? The corps, the players, LV, -V- HC or something else. Personally i do not know, but having been Vice President of -V- for sometime i can clearly admit that there have been errors and bad decisions been made. All in all these decisions would not have been as severe if dedication would have been better. In the end -V-¦s missing dedication was the primary driver for their doom. So long, rest in peace "old -V- spirit". Burzon Ok I am sick and tired of hearing how great old -V- was and how the newer corps to -V- didn't cut it. My old corp Takahashi Syndicate and another with whom we have just merged Enigma Enterprises joined -V- in late June last 2006 just before the failed siege of C-J6 started. We were always in ops, always repsonded to CTA's, there may have been corps who did'nt attend but the people and corps that didnit numbered many from the older -V- corps! I remember camping the pipe to F2A for the best part of a week - bored out of my skull, but still there as I was ordered to be there. -V- numbers in that op started at about 80 and dwindled to less than 20 in the end and those of us who stayed got overrun by RA at the last. We kept asking in alliance chat, "Where is everyone?..." senior and repspected -V- members replied by saying that they were not there as camping was boring! I can give you the names of the people who said that if you like ?? As as for you Burzon, your level of comitment to -V- was obvious. We all knew what was coming when Goons started to arrive in Insmother and Scalding Pass and as vice president you knew better than most I am sure, yet you still left us! How dare you criticise the commitment of the those that remained. When LD ordered the recall from GW all corps based there were meant to come to Scalding and help with the defense. Enterprise Estonia manged to wangle their way out of that one and remained in GW to fight IMP, SERA fueled their pos's in RYC but after the first couple went down they stopped all attempts to defend them and went back to GW also. Several of the older corps disobeyed the recal and as a result we never had sufficient numbers and any chance of a dread fleet to take down the Goon Pos's was laughable. Yes Enterprise Estonia and SERA did well in GW but NPC space could have been taken just by us being there in numbers, you were meant to be in SP where you were needed! So please dont go on about the newer corps to -V- being sub-par, the older -V- corps need to look at their own choices before they judge us. Your sig is too big, maximum allowed size is 24000 bytes (400x120 pixels). - Devil ([email protected])

Burzon PAX Interstellar Services Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.25 12:03:00 - [141] Originally by: Kal'Kalagan Ok I am sick and tired of hearing how great old -V- was and how the newer corps to -V- didn't cut it. My old corp Takahashi Syndicate and another with whom we have just merged Enigma Enterprises joined -V- in late June last 2006 just before the failed siege of C-J6 started. We were always in ops, always repsonded to CTA's, there may have been corps who did'nt attend but the people and corps that didnit numbered many from the older -V- corps! I remember camping the pipe to F2A for the best part of a week - bored out of my skull, but still there as I was ordered to be there. -V- numbers in that op started at about 80 and dwindled to less than 20 in the end and those of us who stayed got overrun by RA at the last. We kept asking in alliance chat, "Where is everyone?..." senior and repspected -V- members replied by saying that they were not there as camping was boring! I can give you the names of the people who said that if you like ?? As as for you Burzon, your level of comitment to -V- was obvious. We all knew what was coming when Goons started to arrive in Insmother and Scalding Pass and as vice president you knew better than most I am sure, yet you still left us! How dare you criticise the commitment of the those that remained. When LD ordered the recall from GW all corps based there were meant to come to Scalding and help with the defense. Enterprise Estonia manged to wangle their way out of that one and remained in GW to fight IMP, SERA fueled their pos's in RYC but after the first couple went down they stopped all attempts to defend them and went back to GW also. Several of the older corps disobeyed the recal and as a result we never had sufficient numbers and any chance of a dread fleet to take down the Goon Pos's was laughable. Yes Enterprise Estonia and SERA did well in GW but NPC space could have been taken just by us being there in numbers, you were meant to be in SP where you were needed! So please dont go on about the newer corps to -V- being sub-par, the older -V- corps need to look at their own choices before they judge us. Calm down, i never fingerpointed on any corporations in particular. I just said that missing dedication, mainly from some of the newer corporations and in the end from the remaining veteran corporations laid the base for the falling of -V-. The veteran corporations that did put in full dedication were partly on the verge of breaking up because of too much strain received from their dedication. As for my resignation during these days i can say that the main driver has been my real life. That is what i always stated. Later on my corporation decided to not take the strain anymore as we were already on the brink of loosing the majority of our senior members. As PAX was and still is a fully democratic corporation i was faced with the situation to either follow or leave my corporation, with the later one never being one of my options. There were some good newer corporations that did show dedication so much is true, but as i stated the missing dedication from most of the newer corps, endless debating and bad decisions from HC in the end led to the downfall that we can see. Don¦t blame me for trying to safe my corporation that we have build over months and years and for prioritising my real life. As PAX we can surely say that we have done all we were able to while being in -V-. There were even times when my corp had more then 90% participation during ops and the times we did not have this level we were busy executing other operations on behalf of the alliance. So long Burzon CEO PAX Interstellar Need salvation or paxification ? Call us !
Crellion Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.01.25 13:19:00 - [142] Originally by: Kal'Kalagan Originally by: Burzon stuff Burzon stuff Dear friend, I see your point and you might be right but you see things froma June 06 perspective. When they talk to you about the old -v- people dont mean May 06 but rather the time from September 05 ( perhaps even before ) to February - March 06. What was so special then? Every member a tenacious fighter. 100 in alliance chat and 99 in gang 24/7. I have never seen this before or after in any alliance or corporation or entity of any kind. SP gave a lot of isk and spoild us all perhaps but I am not expecting you to take my word for it. What -v- once was is pretty unbelievable if you havent experienced it. Anyway I thank you for staying when we left and defending the -v- name... perhaps newer corps did their best... its just that the -v- spirit was a bit too big a shoe for anybody to fill... R.I.P. -v- All my love forever. Arguably my opinions represent to an extent the opinions of my alliance and in particular circumstances give rise to a valid "casus belli" claim.
Komolov Gallente REUNI0N Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.25 13:49:00 - [143] Edited by: Komolov on 25/01/2007 13:47:07 *Komolov waves to people around. After -V- lost Scalding Pass i came here, commited ritual of carebearing in belts of KZF and 28Y and left this area calmed down and relaxed. Ok, now time to start my chatting sessions with Cult of War guys since they've declared their intentions to move down south. --------------------
Zakalwe FireStar Inc Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.25 14:05:00 - [144] Edited by: Zakalwe on 25/01/2007 14:02:39 Originally by: Komolov Ok, now time to start my chatting sessions with Cult of War guys since they've declared their intentions to move down south. You have a link about these moving "down" ? Say hi from me to your alt Liten Lorian in a Falcon who always come along with you when you're roaming ...null Hmmm... not in the name of my Corp/Alliance
Pepperami Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.01.25 19:07:00 - [145] Originally by: Zakalwe You have a link about these moving "down" ? Say hi from me to your alt Liten Lorian in a Falcon who always come along with you when you're roaming ...null Read CAOD :) And <3 you komolov [EVE TASK BAR?]
Beyond Horizon Infinite Improbability Inc Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.26 01:49:00 - [146] no 3> for me ? :( :) - BH
Aeris Lazari Perkone	Posted - 2007.01.26 10:55:00 - [147] asd to hear that.. was fun fighting you guys back in the days.. GL in the future LD
Commander Hades	Posted - 2007.01.26 11:17:00 - [148] all i can say is you guys were warned, you should had seen Kos's Fall to Ra/Goon as a reality Shock, you should had realised that in order to win you had to stick together but you chose to carebear, beliving your might allance would never fall, ignoring the fact you actualy had to fight to keep what you held dear, LV is next & they will fall
Velios M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.26 13:16:00 - [149] Hush little alt.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.01.27 00:42:00 - [150] Edited by: Plutoinum on 27/01/2007 00:55:43 Originally by: Commander Hades all i can say is you guys were warned, you should had seen Kos's Fall to Ra/Goon as a reality Shock, you should had realised that in order to win you had to stick together but you chose to carebear, beliving your might allance would never fall, ignoring the fact you actualy had to fight to keep what you held dear, If you are speaking about -V- then forget that comment about carebearing. There was no carebearing for personal profit in the last months, except to replace ships and for the alliance fee for pos-stuff etc. At least not for those in Scalding Pass I know. Actually I don't know where the people were then, but Scalding Pass was a battlefield. Personally I came to Scalding Pass with some billions and left without isk, all that was left was like 2 BS and some mins that I still have in Curse from the time before I joined -V-. Yes, sorry, and after 1v- had fallen and it was obvious that people had given up, I and probably many others had enough of it too. Which should be understandable, because who likes to live on a battlefield for months, recharge poses day after day, stay up during the night for some pos defense, if that goes on for weeks and months ? Corps leaving, equipment getting worse due to people having no isk, numbers in alliance chat going down, no capitals in sight etc. It just sucks after some time, but you do it anyway, because you don't want to give up. Many -V- members have given a lot, surely a lot more than some carebears in big alliances, who have a big mouth and run for the hills, when they get attacked. I've seen V members trying to stop attacks at 3 o'clock in the morning with 25 vs. 120. I've seen LV and V members sitting in gatecamps for 13 hours non-stop, going to bed and showing again on the next day as soon as they could and spending there one week just for some f*ing station. After a few months it's not fun anymore. Ok, if you are in a mega alliance, where not everyone is always needed to defend, it might be fun, but not if you need everyone over months and people need to stay much longer in EVE, than they like, if you want to keep your chance over weeks and months like I said. That was -V- reality in the end and well, I'm happy that this sh is over, since it was hopeless anyway. Nevertheless I'll never join the enemy, just because the grass seems to be greener there. But I think I and many others have the damn right to relax a bit now, that's why I'm not angry at LD for joining CA. Btw. especially people like LD, Bjorn and the FCs have given a lot. LD surely too much already. He also said something that he just had enough of all that and just wants to play, relax and have fun now. ______________ Originally by: Patch86 Combat in EVE is non-consensual. Unlike most games, EVE, by design, forces you to be ready for violence everywhere-even hi-sec space.

Nebuchadnezzar I Shih Yang Tong	Posted - 2007.01.27 02:36:00 - [151] Edited by: Nebuchadnezzar I on 27/01/2007 02:36:32 Nice words Plutonium. And certainly our leaders including LD gave it their best. The fact that not everyone agrees with where some ex. -V- have chosen to go doesnt erase all that at all, of course not. And who knows they may yet change their ways :D Remember considering someone a "betrayer" or w/e ingame only means you'll be shooting them pew pew not that you dont like the real persons behind the monitor.* * This may not be true for some well know entities :P
Leandra Anor Minmatar Asguard Security Service Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.01.28 19:49:00 - [152] Much respect to -V-. I'm sad to see you go.... I learned so much more from fighting with -V- and LV then you can ever know! Props to you all and best of luck for the future!!! ______________________________________________ smile It makes people wonder what you've been upto!! ~And YES already... I am a RL female gamer!!~
Burzon PAX Interstellar Services Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.29 10:08:00 - [153] I was just shocked realising how many of the former -V- corps joined CA and are now shooting long term allies alongside long term enemies. Whats up with you guys. How far can you go fighting for those who took your home ... ? You just lost my respect. Props to those corps that continue to fight. Shame on the others. Burzon CEO PAX Interstellar Need salvation or paxification ? Call us !
Light Darkness Mercenaries of Andosia	Posted - 2007.01.29 13:48:00 - [154] Edited by: Light Darkness on 29/01/2007 13:50:57 Originally by: Burzon How far can you go fighting for those who took your home ... ? You just lost my respect. Props to those corps that continue to fight. Shame on the others. Burzon Well Burz. My old friend. We fought many times together and we got a close friendship inside V. But this words hit me hart. Only one question for you: Where was PAX as V died? i still remember our convos at the time where PAX left V -->few month ago<-- Regards /LD Signature dimensions exceeds max 400x120 dimensions allowed.-Eldo Dont look so much on the sig¦s.look more on the petition section¦s !!- LD
Possi Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.01.29 14:08:00 - [155] Edited by: Possi on 29/01/2007 14:07:18 dont look for an excuse for your actions you betrayed everything we fought for the last 2 years you said there will be never peace with ra and now you're allied there is no respect anymore for you the only satisfaction i have is that nobody points at sera anymore if you do something stupid props to ra... they had the longer breath just my 2 cent
Light Darkness Mercenaries of Andosia	Posted - 2007.01.29 14:17:00 - [156] Originally by: Possi Edited by: Possi on 29/01/2007 14:05:18 dont look for an excuse for your actions you betrayed everything we fought for the last 2 years you said there will be never peace with ra and now you're allied there is no respect anymore for you the only satisfaction i have is that noone points at sera anymore if you do something stupid props to ra... they had the longer breath just my 2 cent Well Possi. I really dont know whats happen with you and why you mean to reply on that?!? I dont look for any excuses. I dont need it. But if i still remember right there was also a point that SERA dont wanted to fight anymore against RA and Co. You still remember that SERA was active down in Doril at the time where V members fought in the 1V- area? Long time before SERA left V. And where was SERA the last weeks before V died? and yes. probs to ra...they had the longer breath then SERA. /LD Signature dimensions exceeds max 400x120 dimensions allowed.-Eldo Dont look so much on the sig¦s.look more on the petition section¦s !!- LD
Cardassius Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.01.29 15:49:00 - [157] Edited by: Cardassius on 29/01/2007 15:46:01 We were preparing a surprise for -V- together with other old -V- corps.. But then we heard you were joining Curse. I will never join CA. You said you wouldn't either, but you did, so we are now on opposite sides of the battlefield.
Princess Aricia Gallente Mercenaries of Andosia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.29 17:14:00 - [158] Edited by: Princess Aricia on 29/01/2007 17:11:20 I wonder why "every old -V- corp" was going to help when it was way too late... Why not stay in -V- and fight insted of running away... letting the ones who where left take all the crap? I can see that ppl that left -V- "in time" are giving us crap for our decision... I'm happy for our decision. And if "old -V- guys, that left before -V- went down. don't like it... tough. What's is it to you, anyways? And when it comes to respect... Where is the respect in leaving a alliance in trouble... insted of stay fighting...?
Kriger Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.01.29 18:11:00 - [159] Originally by: Princess Aricia Edited by: Princess Aricia on 29/01/2007 17:12:24 Edited by: Princess Aricia on 29/01/2007 17:11:20 I wonder why "every old -V- corp" was going to help when it was way too late... Why not stay in -V- and fight insted of running away... letting the ones who where left take all the crap? I can see that ppl that left -V- "in time" are giving us crap for our decision... I'm happy for our decision. And if "old -V- guys", that left before -V- went down. don't like it... tough. What's is it to you, anyways? And when it comes to respect... Where is the respect in leaving a alliance in trouble... insted of stay fighting...? so let me get this straight.. if some corps over time decided to leave -V- for various reasons they are no longer considered worhty contributers, not even in a past tense? Interesting way to treat friends, especially when its friends who actually helped make -V- what it was, regardless of them later deciding to leave for whatever reasons. While i cannot state each corps reason for leaving, i know ITFB left quite simply because the corp was being drived into the ground. Now what would u have preffered? ITFB continuing untill disbandment, leaving -V-, and with its members scattered all over the map, or that the corp stayed together? Please do answer that question, now that u feel righteous enough to slander old -V- corps, eventho' most ppl who have commented are actually ppl who were in -V- longer than u ever were. I find it interesting how u actually try to push this onto the corps that left (im not just talking towards the final days of -V- here). We may have left -V- but we had our reasons, and eventhough we did, -V- was still special to us (as u can hear is also the case to many others). And before you start arguing that joining CA was selfpreservation, stop.. its not.. its called bending over and joining the enemy. Something i never in a million years would have thought -V- would do, and partly the reason y AWAR was moving to help -V- (we could see our old friends were in real trouble.. it was time to move, and we did, albeit too late). Anyhows.. dont push this on the old -V- corps.. thats just being utterly disrespectfull. Enjoy ur stay in CA. As im sure u already noticed.. ur old 'friends' are here killing u to whatever extent we can (now what resembles -V more.. think about that...) .:: Kriger's gfx Factory ::.
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.01.29 18:57:00 - [160] Edited by: c0rn1 on 29/01/2007 18:58:17 Originally by: Light Darkness Well Possi. I really dont know whats happen with you and why you mean to reply on that?!? I dont look for any excuses. I dont need it. But if i still remember right there was also a point that SERA dont wanted to fight anymore against RA and Co. You still remember that SERA was active down in Doril at the time where V members fought in the 1V- area? Long time before SERA left V. And where was SERA the last weeks before V died? and yes. probs to ra...they had the longer breath then SERA. /LD First of all, LD, it's pretty easy to discuss that afterwards and try to make excuses for joining the enemy. But there's something as loyalty and integrity. Even we withdraw from RYC and moved back to GW (M-M) we kept fighting the local residents in form of IMP at that time and had them pretty much under control. When 1v- was under attack I might point you to the killboard of RA and check for SERA kills at that time. SERA actually was there with 15(!) BS whereas we saw the rest of -V- coming along with 30 ppl including 4 BS and no LD. When we got RA and GOON withdrawing from a POS in RYC beforehand 4 SERA carriers, LV and a few more -V- members at 4 o'clock in the morning were involved. No LD. And whom rang you out of the bed at 6 o'clock in the morning trying to get towers of -V- to secure J-LO and put 12 towers up until 9 in the morning? I was trying to lead fleets and ganks all over the place til the end until SERA decided to withdraw. I AM SERA TOO! After RYC, SERA voted and came to the conclusion to go back to GW to reassemble and look what the future would look like. We decided to go merc at the VERY end of -V- when almost no participation in Fleet movements were at hand anymore and our deeds were done for RYC. But even we went merc and moved out to Doril for our first contract, we left -V- and LV for blue as we've been close friends before or part of it before. IPoD, CoW, InfoD all went to blue and we wouldn't accept contracts against them for the time being and the conflict moves on. Left now is basically LV and CoW on that list. Joining any other alliance and disbanding -V- wouldn't have mattered if you'd have stayed out of the conflict afterwards. But joining the other side of the conflict and givin nutheads like Remedial food for his propaganda is the cheapest way you could choose. LV trusted you in any way. You could lead their Dread fleets and organize their assets at your wish. What do you do? Smack them in their face and join the opposing force which I heard you saying a year ago you'd NEVER would do. Yes, yes, I know you won't fight LV directly you said. But wtf is that worth when all the people you drew with you do it? I saw princess and others coming down from DG- yesterday. What did they do? Hmm, I presume shooting LV, huh? OR yourself shooting .EE, GCDC, Art of War, people always loyal to you. And you **** em in their face. So what the hell does it matter? Your actions speak louder than your meaningless words. And if we talk about backstab or traitor all in all in this over 1 year lasting conflict then you, LD, have won the contest for the most deceiving act in it. I respected you and all what's left now is pure contempt. Au Revoir c0rn1 EDIT: and oh, LD, if you try to let LV get all the reward when they declared on KOS, you earned it too, because without your agreement, LV wouldn't have declared war on KOS as well, so you earn at least 50% of the "LV are all traitors and backstabbers" which you might hear often on GOON/CA/KOS ts soon when you work together. x x x x x x x x x x x x x x Life's a waste of time ...

Velios M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.29 19:11:00 - [161] Passions running high. And I'm not surprised frankly. So many people within V and LV put in so much effort for one single purpose and yet now, it may as well have not happened. From this experience I can take with me memories of better days when the coalition meant something, when we could stand shoulder to shoulder and know what was the right thing to do. These are now dark times though, there is an evil in the south and it has corrupted so many I once could count on as brothers. Me and mine though, have no intention of loosing our lives in EVE. We have fought alongside others to help them for so long, and only now is the veil lifted between Lotka Volterra and our enemies. Light Darkness, I do still respect you, and know that somewhere that there is good in you... However you have chosen your path now, and this will be a fight to the death. Do not underestimate Lotka Volterra. Even though we stand alone in the face of overwhelming odds... We have learned valuable lessons from our most deadly ally RA and will use them against you now. To all those out there who still remain true of heart, I bring you good tidings from Detorid, and we definitely live to fight many more days. M.Corp BPC Packages
Princess Aricia Gallente Mercenaries of Andosia Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.29 19:27:00 - [162] Originally by: Kriger I find it interesting how u actually try to push _your_ decision to _join CA_ on the corps that left Did I???? Who did I force to join CA?? Please tell me...
Light Darkness Mercenaries of Andosia	Posted - 2007.01.29 19:38:00 - [163] Well @c0rn1: Dont count anything. I was one of them (Also SERA and other V members) he was awake until the morning to lead gangs/fleets/capitals and organise stuff. Bring towers down fuel them and resque them. You dont need to point fingers on me. Also at this time (you know that) i got many RL stuff and wasnt really active at that time !!! We talked a few days about that and its sad to see that some peoples arnt able to hold a "real" friendship over a "game". You told me that you dont have any problems. I read your local chat in 1V- from yesterday! @ex -V- corps: I dont point on any ex-V- corp that they run or not. I only point up that only a few corps left in V before we closed the doors. Every ex-V- corp in EvE gave a piece spirit into this alliance. Also all ex-V-corps and every each member inside V gave V his honour. I think every ex-v- corp gave enough blood into this fight. Some still fighting. Some arnt in this area anymore and some joined CA or whatever. But doesnt matter where they are. Every ex-V member should remember -V- and should still move his way in EvE. And dont forget. its a game. Me personally got to much "game" in the last 2 years so i stepped a bit back to realize that EvE is a game where i want fun. The last month wasnt fun tbh. /LD PS: @possi and c0rn I left SERA in good terms and with memories where i left real friends in a corp. But i think that iam wrong. or?!? Signature dimensions exceeds max 400x120 dimensions allowed.-Eldo Dont look so much on the sig¦s.look more on the petition section¦s !!- LD
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.01.29 20:10:00 - [164] Originally by: Light Darkness I dont point on any ex-V- corp that they run or not. I only point up that only a few corps left in V before we closed the doors. Every ex-V- corp in EvE gave a piece spirit into this alliance. Also all ex-V-corps and every each member inside V gave V his honour. Exactly this honour is what you made worthless as former leader by joining the side we fought for 2 years. I can understand if u want to play a game, but there are other ways to do it than joining the enemies. You were the high leader of -V- and the face of it. you always demanded loyalty and integrity. your words were you'd never join the opposing site. What to believe of it? nothing, you just dump it down the toilet for your personal fun. So I take it. It's fun to be a traitor and backstabber, eh? x x x x x x x x x x x x x x Life's a waste of time ...
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.01.29 20:13:00 - [165] Edited by: Plutoinum on 29/01/2007 20:10:45 Sad thing is, that -V- is unlikely to come ever back as some repected entity at least. (Ok, some never respected us, but they can f* off, I don't care anymore about them. They just suck.) But 'V' or what it stood for, has been hurt a lot imho, because some former V members blamed LV as the main reason for our misery and some former (important) V members joined the enemy now: The enemy, who finally blobbed us dead and has conquered our home ! ( I still don't get it, why people did it, except that it was the easiest solution ) At least we waited, until V was practically dead and burried it, before those things were done. Imagine V on side of RAGoon against LV. Lol, then we would have been the joke of the universe. ______________ Originally by:** Patch86 Combat in EVE is non-consensual. Unlike most games, EVE, by design, forces you to be ready for violence everywhere-even hi-sec space.
Drash Kammatarr German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.01.29 20:44:00 - [166] Ok. Hold it. Accusations don't help anyone. Some corps have left -V-, though it would have been better for -V- if they stayed, most likely, but they had their reasons. -V- disbanded, and some former -V- members chose to join the new CA together with old friends AND old enemies, and some former -V- members decided not to go down that path. everybody had his reasons, and that's fine. End of story so far. We'll see what the future will hold, we'll see what'll happen to the Napsters (RAGoon et al), what will happen to CA, LV, and last but not least CoW (which holds some of former -V- corps that didn't chose the CA path). But maybe there is a chance for old friends to get together once more, a slight chance which should therefore not be smashed by accusations in the forum which will surely escalate. So all of you hold on for a second and take a deep breath. Get in your ships, kill whatever is red to you at the moment, and stop deconstrucing whatever is left of friendship. It's a game ;)
Pepperami Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.01.29 20:48:00 - [167] Originally by: Princess Aricia Originally by: Kriger I find it interesting how u actually try to push _your_ decision to _join CA_ on the corps that left Did I???? Who did I force to join CA?? Please tell me... I believe he means, you are trying to justify it as the right decision, not that you're trying to convince corps to join CA. Then again, maybe he knows something I don't. I think most people will do well to get less emotional about this subject, and don't throw away any friendships. In reality a small percentage of V joined this New Curse Alliance, even infod was never that big when in V and has since (re)grown impressively, the 'original v' we like to talk about so much moved on months ago, either through boredom or annoyance at the war against RA. Most left while V was in ascension, so they can hardly be blamed for anything. It's warming to see, though, that NCA is an alliance that is infested with carebears, only tactic is attempt to blob (and not even subtly), but all the same, they are easily isolated and killed. I know who most of the good PVP'ers are in CA, and I know they must be literally _hating_ how careless some of their members are. CA is a sinking ship, I think many people will realise this soon. I don't blame any ex-v corps being backed onto a ledge and choosing between the devil and the deep blue sea, it doesn't wipe out what they have done or have been in the past or how great of an ally they were. They just need to get on and do something rather than be left to rot, out gunned and out blobbed at every turn. As for blaming LV(lol), or saying things like "maybe I just want to be on the wining side".. I think they're foolish to re-write history to suit their conscience. People who remember the great wildlands NBSI war, that was my best time ever in eve - and every member who I fought with back then, I thoroughly respected and looked up to, hopefully one day we'll all be on the same side again against an equally worthy enemy.. I doubt it, but we've got to have a dream, right? [EVE TASK BAR?]
Kriger Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.01.29 20:49:00 - [168] Originally by: Princess Aricia Originally by: Kriger I find it interesting how u actually try to push _your_ decision to _join CA_ on the corps that left Did I???? Who did I force to join CA?? Please tell me... Huh? /me points to Peps respons... .:: Kriger's gfx Factory ::.
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.01.29 21:07:00 - [169] Edited by: Plutoinum on 29/01/2007 21:08:02 @drash You are maybe right, but this has not much to do with friendship between former V members. ( Luckily we shared the same opinion in our corp at that time. Our corp would have surely broken apart, if some people wanted to fly with CA, no matter, if we are friends or not. ) ______________ Originally by: Patch86 Combat in EVE is non-consensual. Unlike most games, EVE, by design, forces you to be ready for violence everywhere-even hi-sec space.
NeverL Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.01.29 22:27:00 - [170] i play this game for its politics and for its pvp aspect, therefor its hard for me to understand the shipjumpers.

Constantinee Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.30 01:14:00 - [171] best of luck LD Omerta Syndicate
TalanR Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 08:55:00 - [172] OMG. Is it so hard to show LD a little respect for his decision. It take a strong man to put his ego aside after a long period of aggression towards each other and make a new start inside a new alliance with your former enemyÆs and allies. What most of you donÆt seem to understand is that CA is a new alliance and nothing else. True we have the Xirtam in charge of the alliance but that doesnÆt make it Imperium. LD just joined a new alliance that has some former hostile corps in it. nothing more and nothing less. If you want to flame people for joining the enemy you can better look for some Rise members TalanR
Burzon PAX Interstellar Services Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.30 09:07:00 - [173] Originally by: TalanR OMG. Is it so hard to show LD a little respect for his decision. It take a strong man to put his ego aside after a long period of aggression towards each other and make a new start inside a new alliance with your former enemy’s and allies. What most of you don’t seem to understand is that CA is a new alliance and nothing else. True we have the Xirtam in charge of the alliance but that doesn’t make it Imperium. LD just joined a new alliance that has some former hostile corps in it. nothing more and nothing less. If you want to flame people for joining the enemy you can better look for some Rise members TalanR My loss of respect is not connected to joining CA, but that ex -V- corps are flying with RAGoon and are actively shooting LV. This lead to me loosing respect for my former m8¦s. And LD, this is nothing personal. I would still love to have a beer with you :) Cheers Burz CEO PAX Interstellar Need salvation or paxification ? Call us !
Leandra Anor Minmatar Asguard Security Service Rule of Three	Posted - 2007.01.30 10:18:00 - [174] There isn't a way to determine who is right or wrong in this without knowing everything that happened, in the order it happened, and tbh I doubt there is anyone in this game (chow, velios, corn1, LD, or anyone) who does. You make decisions based on the best information you have available to you at the time. As with everything, each person can see that information in a different light, and hindsight is ALWAYS 20/20. I play the game for friendships and for the fun I have pvping.... since I have friends pretty much everywhere it would be difficult at best to say who's "jumping ship". I watch with great interest as politics shift corp/alliance friendships to enemies and vice versus, but it doesn't change my friendships. As my CEO and several alliance leaders can tell you, I will fight tooth and nail if you try to tell me someone can't be my friend just because we are now at war with them. Now I will grant that most of my friends aren't alliance leaders.... nor alliance directors. But some are, and regardless of the decisions that they make or help to make, they are my friends. That's something that is seperate from the game imho. Regardless of where -v- players went, there are many that will remain my friends. We may shoot at each other if the situation calls for it, but in the end, we'll probably have a fun convo about the fight afterwards. Same with KoS, same with LV, same with CA, etc. I understand the sentiment about loyalty and its importance (and by this I mean loyalty to a particular political stance)... but it IS after all, just a game, and when it all comes down to it, I play to have fun! Politics, while intriguing, aren't much fun. Developing friendships imho IS. This is easier for me to say and do tho.... I've never been a CEO or alliance leader (and NO Rah, I STILL don't want to be CEO), so I don't have to make the tough decisions. I get to follow my corp with semi blind loyalty (see? I do believe in loyalty). I say semi because I do have a say in my corps future. With that said the decision making process on what is right for the corp is an agonizing one at best... a difficult balance of choosing the lesser of 2 evils in many cases and that's not even beginning to throw in friendships. I can only imagine what it must be like to make those decisions on an alliance level! gets headache just thinking about it Anyway that's my 2 cents on the matter... -V- still get my respect and thanks and fond memories no matter where they have chosen to go. ______________________________________________ smile It makes people wonder what you've been upto!! ~And YES already... I am a RL female gamer!!~
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.01.30 11:40:00 - [175] Originally by: TalanR If you want to flame people for joining the enemy you can better look for some Rise members The campaign RAGoon+TCF against the Coalition is still running. The only thing that has changed is that the Coalition is reduced to LV now. But it's still the same war. And CA has stated that they fight with RAGoons+TCF. So CA+RA+Goon+TCF are fighting against our old side, the side on which V stood. So yes, I would would honestly prefer to see some ex-V members flying with BoB instead of CA. BoB was a neutral entity for V, they stayed out of this war, they never smacked us on the forums as far as I remember or picked a side there, which can't be said of several other uninvolved parties, who smacked us like mad btw. They don't stand against our old ally LV in this war. They are just neutral and what after that war happens is another story. ______________ Originally by: Patch86 Combat in EVE is non-consensual. Unlike most games, EVE, by design, forces you to be ready for violence everywhere-even hi-sec space.
LordHelmchen Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.01.30 12:57:00 - [176] hi guys i dont know what happend to sera and LD and tbh i dont realy care ... fact is u are not in GW to fight with us u are i guess on the other side of the eve map but i could be wrong of course ... could u plz stop your flaming war against LD ... its sad to see that he joined CA BUT i still like him and i will not forget the battles i had with him along side ! and carda sorry what are u writting ?? u can open a convo if u want to explain me that ... cheers LH
Diicc Tater Aggressive Tendencies Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 15:59:00 - [177] heh, this is sweet. People who left V before the ** hit the fan, alright I can see you missed a lot of what happened in V after you left. But, what is even harder to understand is that ppl who left when the going got tough are whining about betrail. I mean, even if you had a democratic corp and the vote fell on "we leave" you left and let the rest of us fight as we could. LD was the last one out. He, if noone else stayed the course. My corp along with EELs waited until the wery end with our choise. We stayed, we fought, after the rats and "women" had jumped ship sobbing and with tears in their eyes. We knew full and well you'd be upset with our choise of allies. But guess what. They stayed and fought. You didn't. And remember, there is no enemy, only playmates. FFS, lost your respect, WTF, you left us mates. You were like Bill Paxton in Alien 2. Game over man, game over! buaah... jebus .... LOL Now we can play anytime and there seems to be little risk of you leaving us hanging again. Now Rock On! Under Construction I guess**
Nebuchadnezzar I Shih Yang Tong	Posted - 2007.01.30 16:52:00 - [178] Originally by: Diicc Tater Edited by: Diicc Tater on 30/01/2007 16:24:22 heh, this is sweet. People who left V before the **** hit the fan, alright I can see you missed a lot of what happened in V after you left. But, what is even harder to understand is that ppl who left when the going got tough are whining about betrail. I mean, even if you had a democratic corp and the vote fell on "we leave" you left and let the rest of us fight as we could. LD was the last one out. He, if noone else stayed the course. My corp along with EELs waited until the very end. We stayed, we fought, after the rats and "women" had jumped ship sobbing and with tears in their eyes. We knew full and well you'd be upset with our choise of allies. But guess what. They are not quitters, you are. And remember, there is no enemy, only playmates. FFS, lost your respect, WTF, you left us mates. You were like Bill Paxton in Alien 2. Game over man, game over! buaah... jebus .... LOL Now we can play anytime and there seems to be little risk of you leaving us hanging again.... you know... unles we get to rough on yer hide and you need another "corp vote" and "can't do anything about it". Now Rock On LD! What you are saying is hardly fair to most of the ex. -V- posters in this thread tbh, not many of them if any (im not really counting) left during the siege of SP. Regardless leaving or not does not have anything to do with joining CA, which seems to be the hot topic :P Infact, many would argue that the "real" quitters you speak off in your post actualy are those who quit the fight for good, joining the old enemy. Regardless im not really into the fingerpointing scheme. I find it odd some decided to join up with people that helped and are allied with Ragoons, but i dont hate them for doing it, i personally will just not affiliate myself with them as you so have chosen.
Swirler	Posted - 2007.01.30 16:57:00 - [179] To those former Southern Coalition members who have joined the New Curse Alliance, you have two very unique characterstics in common: You sold your fighting heart and soul to those that once spit on you and your friends graves, and you have allied yourself with Xirtam and Remedial, two people who are utter disgraces to themselves, and to whatever was and remains of the old Curse Alliance. Unlike you, I lead by example. I was in KOS when N7 fell, they chose to move to Wicked Creek, my corp decided it was too hard, and to go to BoB. I decided to stay and rough it out. KOS fell, and napped RA/Goons, instead of falling back to empire, regrouping and fighting from NPC stations. Now they are standing with their masters, like slaves, like you. There is no excuse for joining your former enemies; face the fact that you are weak and diminished. You failed, you have been enslaved, and now relish in the fact that the only way you can survive is to kill your allies and friends for your new masters. I would have respect for you if you had added your ranks to your allies, or stayed and fought it out from a new location. I would have had pity for you and your brethren if you had simply faded away. Instead, you have lent your arms to those who enslaved you. You've gained nothing but contempt from all those that once called you friend. You're a disgrace to yourself, your former allies, and a lap dog, a play thing, for your new masters amusement. Living at their beck and call, subsisting on their leftovers. The best V members are the ones who understand what loyalty and self-respect means. They would never join Curse Alliance. If you have joned CA, you can never say you were one of V.
John Thorlake	Posted - 2007.01.30 17:36:00 - [180] All these threads. Amazing. I just dont keep scrolling down in the previous employment list. If I did I probably end up shooting every single player in EvE for gods sake. Just point me towards my current enemies and off I go. I dont have time for petty squabble like this. You did this n I did that and once I probably went somewhere and did something stupid. Does it matter in the long run? No, hell no! Shame on ye all! Is this a sandbox in the kindergarten or what?

Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 18:34:00 - [181] Edited by: Beyond Horizon on 30/01/2007 18:30:25 Oh commoooonnnn, LD is not the one to blame...... don't flame each other pleaseeee, just let -v- r.i.p. - BH
HeadHunta II Gallente Nun Amun	Posted - 2007.01.30 18:38:00 - [182] I am shocked to hear LD¦s final words but it was expected...not that LD gave up, but that the original V will never come back. Sad but true...we can talk about mistakes, wrong decisions and and and...but it all changes nothing. Fact is that LD have the balls to admit the end of V in the community of Eve, many other alliances which are still part of eve, dont have them. That is the sad thing. V will be back again...one time, with the iron will, the power, the motivation like we had it once. Smaller groups will win eve, just a wink to the right ppl , they will understand. LD, contact me ingame... "-V- EX-Vice President" "-V- EX-Minister of Foreign affairs" "CEO EX-Nun Amun"
c0rn1 Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.01.30 18:57:00 - [183] Originally by: TalanR OMG. Is it so hard to show LD a little respect for his decision. It take a strong man to put his ego aside after a long period of aggression towards each other and make a new start inside a new alliance with your former enemyÆs and allies. What most of you donÆt seem to understand is that CA is a new alliance and nothing else. True we have the Xirtam in charge of the alliance but that doesnÆt make it Imperium. LD just joined a new alliance that has some former hostile corps in it. nothing more and nothing less. If you want to flame people for joining the enemy you can better look for some Rise members TalanR Some former hostile corps in it and is napped with everyone WE (as former -V-) have fought for 2 years. lmao How would you go off when xirtam and VotF would join LV, huh? x x x x x x x x x x x x x x Life's a waste of time ...
Xiaodown Dragons Of Redemption Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 18:58:00 - [184] I want to say a few things about the last days of -V-. I fly with some people from Pax in DORM now, and I love 'em, they're great guys. Having said that, it would be really hard for people from PAX and SERA to understand why some of the people in -V- have joined CA, because PAX and SERA weren't there at the end. After Bjoern Bitter took over -V-, it was a non-stop constant battle. We had hostiles in every system, 24/7. We had no money, all we could ever do is rat a little JUST to try and replace war losses, and by the end we were down to cruisers at best. As many of you know, it almost ruined BB's (real) life. I want people to understand that it cost us over 12 BILLION ISK PER MONTH to keep all of the large POS's fueled in KZF / 28Y in scalding pass. With little to no opportunity to make money, and all of our time going to trying to protect our space, this was a huge burden. Not to mention the CONSTANT real life stress of having to wake up at odd hours, or make sure we were logged in, to be there with a fleet of Ospreys when the towers came out of reinforced - which was usually 3 or 4 towers a day. By the end, we had no capital fleet, and few people left. Even though when we tried, we could probably take any Goon gang 3 v 2, it's very demoralizing to constantly be 25 in the face of 150. Nothing can help those odds, not unless the 25 are all Farjungs with WOM fitted vindicators =). So, it didn't matter that SERA had pulled back to Great Wildlands after the loss of 1v-. I don't fault PAX or SERA for leaving -V- - hey, man, you gotta do what you gotta do. But I'll be god damned if I'm going to sit by and listen to them 1.) whine and ***** about the old-skool dedication of the old Veritas Immortalis, as compared to the latecommers, and 2.) complain about what choices those that DID stay until we pulled back to M-M in Great Wildlands have made. That was seriously 3 MONTHS of exhausting work, in what we all knew was a lost cause. We gave it our all, and it's all well and good to say you're dedicated, but after 10 or 12 weeks, it's become another job. Another day, another struggle to log in and recharge a POS, then lose whatever isk I have left. And then, the realization hits - it's a GAME. We pay to play, because we want to have FUN. When it becomes not fun anymore, that's ok in the short run. But when there's no end in sight, some times you want to throw your hands up in frustration. And -V- went WAY past that point. So HOW DARE YOU question what ex- V people have done. LD and MOA stayed until the last bitter moments, and gave everything they had. They have EARNED the right to do whatever they want to do in this game, and owe no one an explanation. LD is by no one's account a traitor. He is the former leader of a proud alliance, who fought until he was rightfully and fairly defeated, and then ... he wanted to get back to playing the game. Good on him. People make the choices they have to make. It is not your right to armchair quarterback, especially when you didn't walk an AU in their shoes. With respect (to -V-, LV, RA, TCF, Goon, IMP, and CA all alike); ~Xiao
H'wi Noree Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.01.30 19:45:00 - [185] I see a lot of "You weren't there for the final months" etc. Did something dramatic happen in the final episode of -V- that resulted in this embracing of mortal enemies? I always felt there was a feeling of total hatred towards RA (and allies) especially from people like LD. Did i get this wrong? Is it really just a game? For me, it makes everything -V- achieved null and void when so many take up arms and fight along side those that have been enemies for so many years. LD and all the rest are nothing but negatives on my overview now, quite sad really. _____ I have no sig :(
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 20:05:00 - [186] Nice post Xiao. Pretty much summs it up. - BH
Diicc Tater Aggressive Tendencies Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 20:36:00 - [187] sweet post Xiao. We stayed till the end and thus payed in advance for our right to unquestioned chose whatever destiny we found within reach. Under Construction I guess
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.01.30 22:06:00 - [188] Edited by: Plutoinum on 30/01/2007 22:09:18 Edited by: Plutoinum on 30/01/2007 22:06:23 @xiaodown Many true words, yes that was the situation. Yes, LD gave it all and Moa stayed till the end, like several others. Some left before already like INFOD e.g., who stayed pirates and fought Imperium in GW. When we were back Great Wildlands, several corps hit the sack like Mortis Angelus, who are in CA now. Well, we held a meeting about our new goals after that before Chrismas, like recapturing Great Wildlands side a side with INFOD and having another go at Scalding Pass as a long term plan, after we managed rebuilding the alliance. Then was Chrismas holidays, some other corps left and regroup points were Skarkon and N-DQ. CA was about to get reformed, it was clear that INFOD would join them, and there was another V CEO meeting about that and Xirtams offer for V to 'merge' into CA. CEOs had their opinions, but they wanted to talk to their members first. The should have been afaik another CEO meeting about that one week later. Well, that didn't happen after one week, instead MOA had a corp vote and decided to join CA, Corps where rapidly kicked out of the alliance like one short talk and then bye bye and V went into a holding corp. I doubt that everyone knew what was going on, wonder if the newly recruited corps new, what was going on, who had just began to move their stuff to Skarkon. But what was clear was that the plan to recapture Great Wildlands and have maybe a go at Scalding Pass again at some distant point in the future has been changed into the plan 'Let's join Imperium / the new CA' by some people. Some stating that they will never fight against LV there, some something stating like: 'LV didn't help us as much as they could, so no problems to fight them.' Also some other V corps, who left right after we lost SP and were afraid to start from the bottom again, joined CA then. So well, some really quickly chose the easiest way and gave up our plans on GW and everything else, without finally discussing it once more in a CEO meeting like it was planned afaik. edit: I wrote that I was angry about the situation, not about LD. That was what I meant btw. ______________ Originally by: Patch86 Combat in EVE is non-consensual. Unlike most games, EVE, by design, forces you to be ready for violence everywhere-even hi-sec space.
Burzon PAX Interstellar Services	Posted - 2007.01.30 23:20:00 - [189] Originally by: Xiaodown I want to say a few things about the last days of -V-. I fly with some people from Pax in DORM now, and I love 'em, they're great guys. Having said that, it would be really hard for people from PAX and SERA to understand why some of the people in -V- have joined CA, because PAX and SERA weren't there at the end. After Bjoern Bitter took over -V-, it was a non-stop constant battle. We had hostiles in every system, 24/7. We had no money, all we could ever do is rat a little JUST to try and replace war losses, and by the end we were down to cruisers at best. As many of you know, it almost ruined BB's (real) life. I want people to understand that it cost us over 12 BILLION ISK PER MONTH to keep all of the large POS's fueled in KZF / 28Y in scalding pass. With little to no opportunity to make money, and all of our time going to trying to protect our space, this was a huge burden. Not to mention the CONSTANT real life stress of having to wake up at odd hours, or make sure we were logged in, to be there with a fleet of Ospreys when the towers came out of reinforced - which was usually 3 or 4 towers a day. By the end, we had no capital fleet, and few people left. Even though when we tried, we could probably take any Goon gang 3 v 2, it's very demoralizing to constantly be 25 in the face of 150. Nothing can help those odds, not unless the 25 are all Farjungs with WOM fitted vindicators =). So, it didn't matter that SERA had pulled back to Great Wildlands after the loss of 1v-. I don't fault PAX or SERA for leaving -V- - hey, man, you gotta do what you gotta do. But I'll be god damned if I'm going to sit by and listen to them 1.) whine and *** about the old-skool dedication of the old Veritas Immortalis, as compared to the latecommers, and 2.) complain about what choices those that DID stay until we pulled back to M-M in Great Wildlands have made. That was seriously 3 MONTHS of exhausting work, in what we all knew was a lost cause. We gave it our all, and it's all well and good to say you're dedicated, but after 10 or 12 weeks, it's become another job. Another day, another struggle to log in and recharge a POS, then lose whatever isk I have left. And then, the realization hits - it's a GAME. We pay to play, because we want to have FUN. When it becomes not fun anymore, that's ok in the short run. But when there's no end in sight, some times you want to throw your hands up in frustration. And -V- went WAY past that point. So HOW DARE YOU question what ex- V people have done. LD and MOA stayed until the last bitter moments, and gave everything they had. They have EARNED the right to do whatever they want to do in this game, and owe no one an explanation. LD is by no one's account a traitor. He is the former leader of a proud alliance, who fought until he was rightfully and fairly defeated, and then ... he wanted to get back to playing the game. Good on him. People make the choices they have to make. It is not your right to armchair quarterback, especially when you didn't walk an AU in their shoes. With respect (to -V-, LV, RA, TCF, Goon, IMP, and CA all alike); ~Xiao As i stated, joining CA is not that bad an issue, but fighting alongside sworn enemies after such a short time just feels like missing a spine to me. However -V- ended and whatever was needed to keep and defend SP and whatever strain it put on the corps it does not justify these actions. LD was never willing to go about the future of -V- without consulting LV and now he turns around and goes shooting them, for what reason ? PAX might have left -V- before the end but also before the siege, but we will never betray our friends and will always stay loyal to what we have done. Burzon CEO PAX Interstellar Need salvation or paxification ? Call us !**
Xiaodown Dragons Of Redemption Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.30 23:35:00 - [190] Originally by: Burzon LD was never willing to go about the future of -V- without consulting LV and now he turns around and goes shooting them, for what reason ? This is what I was trying to explain in my post; I should do it in fewer words: Sometimes it's nice to be on the winning side. Originally by: Burzon PAX might have left -V- before the end but also before the siege, but we will never betray our friends and will always stay loyal to what we have done. Burzon The two thoughts in this sentance to me are incompatible, and are what what in my humble opinion make it inappropriate for you to comment on the formation of CA. I'm not judging you or PAX for leaving. All I'm saying is that you can't leave before the Goon/RA seige and offensive, AND at the same time complain about someone else's loyalty.

Pepperami Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.01.31 00:14:00 - [191] Originally by: Xiaodown This is what I was trying to explain in my post; I should do it in fewer words: Sometimes it's nice to be on the winning side. LOL. How pathetic. No wonder some people get so irate people talking about 'old V spirit', when they clearly play the game for completely different reasons. [EVE TASK BAR?]
Kriger Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.01.31 00:16:00 - [192] Edited by: Kriger on 31/01/2007 00:13:43 Originally by: Xiaodown The two thoughts in this sentance to me are incompatible, and are what what in my humble opinion make it inappropriate for you to comment on the formation of CA. I'm not judging you or PAX for leaving. All I'm saying is that you can't leave before the Goon/RA seige and offensive, AND at the same time complain about someone else's loyalty. Ok.. so we are back to the point some1 else tried to forcefeed earlier, that all ex -V-'s rly have no right to have an oppinion because they didnt stay till the end? Interesting concept.. and yes.. ur wrong.. i helped build -V-.. i left way back.. and the legacy of -V- has been tainted by the consequent actions of the remnants of -V-.. accept that this is the case, and i will accept that some ex. -V-'s have joined CA. But dont argue that this course of action is true to what was once the -V- spirit.. The -V- i knew would never have bend over and joined RAGOON.. you have, u argue u had a right to, fine, but accept that this is contrary to what -V- was about, and im sure this discussion will quickly come to an end. edit: spellcheck .:: Kriger's gfx Factory ::.
Beyond Horizon Black Omega Security Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 00:21:00 - [193] Everyone has it's own reasons to play this game, who are you to judge? - BH
Pepperami Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.01.31 00:32:00 - [194] Edited by: Pepperami on 31/01/2007 00:31:00 Originally by: Beyond Horizon Everyone has it's own reasons to play this game, who are you to judge? I didn't judge how they played, people really can play how they wish. I judged how they argued and to their reasons (for switching sides). It's clear many(most? - ofc not all) of the members towards the end of V's life who joined CA are just a different breed to those that beat RA back Could that be related to the final demise? Who knows? I left when V was in firm control. It's not so much a judge, more of an epiphany that I said out loud [EVE TASK BAR?]
Xiaodown Dragons Of Redemption Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 00:51:00 - [195] Originally by: Pepperami Edited by: Pepperami on 31/01/2007 00:31:00 Originally by: Beyond Horizon Everyone has it's own reasons to play this game, who are you to judge? I didn't judge how they played, people really can play how they wish. I judged how they argued and to their reasons (for switching sides). It's clear many(most? - ofc not all) of the members towards the end of V's life who joined CA are just a different breed to those that beat RA back Could that be related to the final demise? Who knows? I left when V was in firm control. It's not so much a judge, more of an epiphany that I said out loud The point I'm trying to make is that it doesn't matter how good a shape -V- was in when you left it, or what -V- used to be able to do back in the mists of time. What happened is that the people that stayed went through a terrible war of attrition. The Goon / RA seige was hell, and anyone who says otherwise is lying. A long, terrible war will get to ANYONE. I'm not judging you for leaving, or Plutonium (much respect, bro), or Sera, or PAX. I mean, they did what they had to do, and more power to them. I'm also not going to judge LD and the remaining -V- that stuck it out after DORM left, because [I/DORM] was WITH -V- up until after the move to M-M. Lord knows they lasted longer than I could have. All I'm saying is an exhaustive war that drained your in game resources and real life time over months and months can change a person. It doesn't matter how proud, or how good, or how elite, or how rich -V- was. That was then. This is now. Those who stood up and fought in the Goon/RA seige HAVE EARNED THE RIGHT TO DO AS THEY PLEASE. And they need not answer to you, or to the EVE community. You say that you don't agree with their reasons for switching sides. I'm saying that they don't need reasons. And that, in the end, you cannot BOTH leave an alliance AND complain about the loyalties of the people who stuck it out till the end.
Nebuchadnezzar I Shih Yang Tong	Posted - 2007.01.31 01:51:00 - [196] Edited by: Nebuchadnezzar I on 31/01/2007 01:49:24 Edited by: Nebuchadnezzar I on 31/01/2007 01:48:31 Originally by: Xiaodown And that, in the end, you cannot BOTH leave an alliance AND complain about the loyalties of the people who stuck it out till the end. Sure you can, there is no conflict - why you insist on trying to make up such a thing is beyond me. RA= ENEMY for -V- always and after the siege most -V- at the time would probably add GOONS and maybe all the waterboys following them to that list. Fact is, sworn enemies of -V- are now blue to a good deal of ex -V-, in particular ex prominent figures. The loyalty people speak of is remembering who deserves to be shot still, not licking their boots - it has absolutely nothing to do with when a corp left. Again people make their own decisions, just dont expect everyone to understand those, politics and allegiances are after all a part of this game.
Velios M. Corp Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.31 02:42:00 - [197] If there is one thing that should be happening in the future... LD rises through the ranks in CA and then one fine day, completely out of the blue he rips the lungs out of that alliance and burns them on the floor. After all it was Xirtam and a few of his Imperium henchmen that were ever so proud about driving the final nail in the V coffin as 1V-LI2 fell. That would be what I would do, if only to honour the memory of the people in V that worked hard. And so take revenge upon the wholly divisive leaders of this unclean alliance. Sweet Dreams :) M.Corp BPC Packages
Xiaodown Dragons Of Redemption Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 02:54:00 - [198] Originally by: Nebuchadnezzar I Edited by: Nebuchadnezzar I on 31/01/2007 01:49:24 Edited by: Nebuchadnezzar I on 31/01/2007 01:48:31 Originally by: Xiaodown And that, in the end, you cannot BOTH leave an alliance AND complain about the loyalties of the people who stuck it out till the end. Sure you can, there is no conflict - why you insist on trying to make up such a thing is beyond me. RA= ENEMY for -V- always and after the siege most -V- at the time would probably add GOONS and maybe all the waterboys following them to that list. Fact is, sworn enemies of -V- are now blue to a good deal of ex -V-, in particular ex prominent figures. The loyalty people speak of is remembering who deserves to be shot still, not licking their boots - it has absolutely nothing to do with when a corp left. Again people make their own decisions, just dont expect everyone to understand those, politics and allegiances are after all a part of this game. This is the last post I'll say on the topic of -V- for the rest of my tenure in EVE. I don't want to pretend to be a Veritas historian, nor do I want to give the impression that I speak for anyone's opinion but my own. I understand what you're saying, Neb. But you have to understand - when you say "Sworn enemies of -V-", that there IS NO MORE -V-. It's like saying "sworn enemies of the Ottoman Empire" or "sworn enemies of the Roman empire", or whatever. There was Side A and Side B. Side A was the sworn enemies of Side B. This is a relationship contingent on the existance of Side A. Once Side A goes away, their relationships no longer exist. I dunno. All I'm saying is I'm not judging, and neither should others. ~Xiao
Cardassius Seraphin Technologies S.E.R.A	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:51:00 - [199] Originally by: HeadHunta II I am shocked to hear LD¦s final words but it was expected...not that LD gave up, but that the original V will never come back. Sad but true...we can talk about mistakes, wrong decisions and and and...but it all changes nothing. Fact is that LD have the balls to admit the end of V in the community of Eve, many other alliances which are still part of eve, dont have them. That is the sad thing. V will be back again...one time, with the iron will, the power, the motivation like we had it once. Smaller groups will win eve, just a wink to the right ppl , they will understand. LD, contact me ingame... Headdddyyyy!!! ;) Contact me ingame for you know what :)
NeverL Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:10:00 - [200] Originally by: Xiaodown I understand what you're saying, Neb. But you have to understand - when you say "Sworn enemies of -V-", that there IS NO MORE -V-. It's like saying "sworn enemies of the Ottoman Empire" or "sworn enemies of the Roman empire", or whatever. There was Side A and Side B. Side A was the sworn enemies of Side B. This is a relationship contingent on the existance of Side A. Once Side A goes away, their relationships no longer exist. ~Xiao well thats totally wrong people make the country, not the other way around. people who lived in roman empire are dead, but i bet if hannibal would have been able to siege rome and wtfbbq them, citizens of rome wouldnt be like "ok we got owned, lets celebrate our new leader" i think they were more like "ill wtfpwn em one day, damn you hannibal" and now back to eve alliance named V disbanded, people who didnt care about the couse enaugh and were there for personal gain(and i dont mean only isk) joined nca. people who formed V and wanted to kill the exploiting Ra bastards(proof or stfu u say, carreirs and logoffski(imo) i say) are still somewhere around pew pewing the good old folk.

Reservoir Dog Free Space Tech	Posted - 2007.02.01 11:34:00 - [201] Santa Barbara. Brand new series. Now - through internet forums. Everyone non-stop.
Bellon Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.01 11:36:00 - [202] Originally by: Xiaodown Originally by: Nebuchadnezzar I Edited by: Nebuchadnezzar I on 31/01/2007 01:49:24 Edited by: Nebuchadnezzar I on 31/01/2007 01:48:31 Originally by: Xiaodown And that, in the end, you cannot BOTH leave an alliance AND complain about the loyalties of the people who stuck it out till the end. Sure you can, there is no conflict - why you insist on trying to make up such a thing is beyond me. RA= ENEMY for -V- always and after the siege most -V- at the time would probably add GOONS and maybe all the waterboys following them to that list. Fact is, sworn enemies of -V- are now blue to a good deal of ex -V-, in particular ex prominent figures. The loyalty people speak of is remembering who deserves to be shot still, not licking their boots - it has absolutely nothing to do with when a corp left. Again people make their own decisions, just dont expect everyone to understand those, politics and allegiances are after all a part of this game. This is the last post I'll say on the topic of -V- for the rest of my tenure in EVE. I don't want to pretend to be a Veritas historian, nor do I want to give the impression that I speak for anyone's opinion but my own. I understand what you're saying, Neb. But you have to understand - when you say "Sworn enemies of -V-", that there IS NO MORE -V-. It's like saying "sworn enemies of the Ottoman Empire" or "sworn enemies of the Roman empire", or whatever. There was Side A and Side B. Side A was the sworn enemies of Side B. This is a relationship contingent on the existance of Side A. Once Side A goes away, their relationships no longer exist. I dunno. All I'm saying is I'm not judging, and neither should others. ~Xiao As far as I can tell, traitor, We are still here? Or do allies and friends count for nothing provided you get to keep mining out of the same stations?
Dyden Nemor Minmatar Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.02.02 18:44:00 - [203] Originally by: Bellon As far as I can tell, traitor, We are still here? Or do allies and friends count for nothing provided you get to keep mining out of the same stations? I don't want to let facts get in the way of your flaming, but you seem to have missed that he's not in CA, or has anything to do with RA or it's allies.
HeadHunta II Gallente Nun Amun	Posted - 2007.02.03 08:24:00 - [204] It makes me sad to see old alliance mates flaming eachother here. Everyone had for sure his reasons to leave or stay, to try something new or stick with the old... But what you are doing now is one of the reason why V went down...now "some" of you my old alliance mates, finally state your opinion, which was there long before the end of V, but you were hiding it for whatever reasons... To all others: Its easy to come here now after the end of a once so proud alliance and judge about LD or others, to tell everyone this or that should/shouldnt have been done. I personally dont know what happend in the past months, since i was due to private reasons to busy with real life...so i keep my mouth closed about any internal stuff and some ppl here should do the same, especially alts who are a pain in the ass. I am not here to flame anyone, but to all EX-V¦s and old mates: Let V rest in peace!! Thank you! "-V- EX-Vice President" "-V- EX-Minister of Foreign affairs" "CEO EX-Nun Amun"
D'onryu Shoqui Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.03 09:13:00 - [205] Originally by: Velios If there is one thing that should be happening in the future... LD rises through the ranks in CA and then one fine day, completely out of the blue he rips the lungs out of that alliance and burns them on the floor. After all it was Xirtam and a few of his Imperium henchmen that were ever so proud about driving the final nail in the V coffin as 1V-LI2 fell. That would be what I would do, if only to honour the memory of the people in V that worked hard. And so take revenge upon the wholly divisive leaders of this unclean alliance. Sweet Dreams :) some people dont have it in them to decieve and backstab, but even if ld is that type of person i very much doubt it would be anything but extremly difficult to destroy ca from within ------------------------------ My opinions are my own and not that of the alliance i belong to.
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.04 05:20:00 - [206] Personaly thought closing V's doors was a shame, and a great loss to EVE, but dont blame anyone for this as I wasnt in the alliance at the time, or the final few months of it as we left when V had a firm grip on SP, I trust it was the best decision, made by those that were part of the alliance at this time. But I do find it a little strange that a portion of V including LD would side with RED and sworn enemys for many months and turn on people that have been trying their best to help them and defend their space. Yes it was up to them, yes they can join whoever they like, but why join enemys and start shooting friends? why couldnt they have joined LV? or some other entity that was still fighting against RED, NCA etc? Instead they chose to more or less stick their fingers up at old friends and allys and join the enemy. Has left a very sour taste in my mouth, and the above poster saying LD isnt the turncoat type, I would have thought this as well, but his recent actions say otherwise. LD is a great bloke, and a great FC, but his latest decision imo was a bad one, and muddys Vs good name I feel. Each to their own, but being a turncoat is against my nature wether it be in real life or a game, their are always other options available other than joining the enemy. CEO - Art of War
Kriger Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.04 10:48:00 - [207] Originally by: Nebuli Personaly thought closing V's doors was a shame, and a great loss to EVE, but dont blame anyone for this as I wasnt in the alliance at the time, or the final few months of it as we left when V had a firm grip on SP, I trust it was the best decision, made by those that were part of the alliance at this time. But I do find it a little strange that a portion of V including LD would side with RED and sworn enemys for many months and turn on people that have been trying their best to help them and defend their space. Yes it was up to them, yes they can join whoever they like, but why join enemys and start shooting friends? why couldnt they have joined LV? or some other entity that was still fighting against RED, NCA etc? Instead they chose to more or less stick their fingers up at old friends and allys and join the enemy. Has left a very sour taste in my mouth, and the above poster saying LD isnt the turncoat type, I would have thought this as well, but his recent actions say otherwise. LD is a great bloke, and a great FC, but his latest decision imo was a bad one, and muddys Vs good name I feel. Each to their own, but being a turncoat is against my nature wether it be in real life or a game, their are always other options available other than joining the enemy. QFT. No slandering, but to the point. Some might want to read that a few times... .:: Kriger's gfx Factory ::.
Bellon Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.04 11:39:00 - [208] Edited by: Bellon on 04/02/2007 11:37:49 Cheers LD. You'll regret this on the flipside.
LTD THOR Caille Insurance	Posted - 2007.02.05 04:55:00 - [209] with or without a membership in the end of the -V- days.. i feel a bit like someone raised down my "home". a home which wasn¦t mine since a short period of time ingame but nevertheless which was still my home in my mind. one which should stay to the end of days - not important what i¦m doin. a home to come back maybe someday, to be a part of again.. *weird mixture of true feelings/liteRPmode /off you NCA bastards raped my recon last time in lowsec without any aggression from our side as ex-V¦s (on another gate we talked still nice with ex members).. the ppl which killed me were ex V¦s only, no one IMP or whatever puppy was involved.. GW¦s are not our op area atm.. but if we get the chance, we we¦ll kill everyone we¦ll see of you now in the future! kthxbye. o/ @princess, dont take it personal, i still miss your voice babe! My 1st video : =RED WARS-The Beginning= ;)
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.06 05:55:00 - [210] Btw. if someone in the know, some of the oldtimers, could write down V's history it would be cool like the earlier things, when the Alliance formed with old Stain Alliance guys, the fight over Great Wildlands against Foundation and mention things like the war against NBSI, the war with [5] against the North, the war against MC etc. Found it rather sad to see posts on the forum like: 'Well, there was LV and somewhere CHIMP and V where formed and they attacked RED.' Which is wrong and forgets about 9 months V history before LV was formed. (Great Wildlands might be a starting point) ______________ Originally by: Patch86 Combat in EVE is non-consensual. Unlike most games, EVE, by design, forces you to be ready for violence everywhere-even hi-sec space.

Milano II Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.07 06:42:00 - [211] Clearly some of you are just in denial that IMP destroyed -V-. And those that left before this "Final Siege" of 1V..... well.. you have no right to say anything. I was eager to meet LD as soon as he joined the Curse Alliance. What did I find? A great guy with a good outlook and a backbone of titanium plate. A guy who just wanted a break from all the crap and wanted to enjoy the game, fighting whoever, and realizing it is.. JUST A GAME. Many of you can't accept that. Many of you..... don't have to. and Many of you... can try, try try again. You're more than welcome to come destroy LD & Co. on the battlefield. Come try it, we're here, we're waiting. Leave it in-game, don't drag it ou there. This forum topic should've been swept under the carpet long ago.
Engad Tanon Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.07 11:08:00 - [212] Edited by: Engad Tanon on 07/02/2007 11:13:44 Originally by: Milano II Clearly some of you are just in denial that IMP destroyed -V-. And those that left before this "Final Siege" of 1V..... well.. you have no right to say anything. I was eager to meet LD as soon as he joined the Curse Alliance. What did I find? A great guy with a good outlook and a backbone of titanium plate. A guy who just wanted a break from all the crap and wanted to enjoy the game, fighting whoever, and realizing it is.. JUST A GAME. Many of you can't accept that. Many of you..... don't have to. and Many of you... can try, try try again. You're more than welcome to come destroy LD & Co. on the battlefield. Come try it, we're here, we're waiting. Leave it in-game, don't drag it ou there. This forum topic should've been swept under the carpet long ago. Uhh now NCA is LD and CO? IMP destroyed something - best joke 2006
Kal'Kalagan Aggressive Tendencies Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.07 11:11:00 - [213] Edited by: Kal''Kalagan on 07/02/2007 11:08:52 IMP did not destroy -V-. It was a 50/50 in GW for the first couple of weeks after we moved back to GW from Scalding Pass. We(-V-) controlled in the euro timezome, IMP in the US. Then ASCN fell and many joined IMP thus IMP doubled in numbers over the christmas period. It was simply no longer practical for -V- to live in M-M when so massiely outnumberd, sure it was ok for PvP but there was no way to make isk in GW after IMP's numbers increased so dramatically. With all due respect IMPS combat abilities had nothing to do with -V-'s demise. Your sig is too big, maximum allowed size is 24000 bytes (400x120 pixels). - Devil ([email protected])
D'onryu Shoqui Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.07 12:33:00 - [214] Quote: With all due respect IMPS combat abilities had nothing to do with -V-'s demise. if imp never came to GW im sure -v- would still be living there. i doubt goon and ra would have bothered trying to run you out of gw ------------------------------ My opinions are my own and not that of the alliance i belong to.
Skrypt Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.07 15:20:00 - [215] What a joke... Have fun LD & Co.! I suspect you'll find yourself in a new alliance sooner than later anyways so why bother being burned. ---------- "I know. I know you can fight. But it's our wits that make us men." ~ Malcom Wallace (Braveheart)
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.08 11:35:00 - [216] Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui Quote: With all due respect IMPS combat abilities had nothing to do with -V-'s demise. if imp never came to GW im sure -v- would still be living there. i doubt goon and ra would have bothered trying to run you out of gw Yes, finally you outnumbered and pushed out of GW, what was left of -V- after the defeat in Scalding Pass. So you have beaten an alliance that was already a shadow of itself after that long war and the defeat in 1v at that time. Perhaps you should ask LD yourself. When we arrived in GW, several corps had already left, were leaving or prepairing to leave. It's like if the remains of ASCN had retracted to npc space after being defeated by BoB, some wanting to go on, some preparing to leave, a few undecided and then a third party came to finish them off and claim victory over ASCN. ______________ Originally by: Patch86 Combat in EVE is non-consensual. Unlike most games, EVE, by design, forces you to be ready for violence everywhere-even hi-sec space.
Bellon Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.08 11:51:00 - [217] Originally by: Plutoinum Originally by: D'onryu Shoqui Quote: With all due respect IMPS combat abilities had nothing to do with -V-'s demise. if imp never came to GW im sure -v- would still be living there. i doubt goon and ra would have bothered trying to run you out of gw Yes, finally you outnumbered and pushed out of GW, what was left of -V- after the defeat in Scalding Pass. So you have beaten an alliance that was already a shadow of itself after that long war and the defeat in 1v at that time. Perhaps you should ask LD yourself. When we arrived in GW, several corps had already left, were leaving or prepairing to leave. It's like if the remains of ASCN had retracted to npc space after being defeated by BoB, some wanting to go on, some preparing to leave, a few undecided and then a third party came to finish them off and claim victory over ASCN. Its like NCA claiming to be CA
Condolesco Caldari Brotherhood of Whiners	Posted - 2007.02.12 01:55:00 - [218] Originally by: Bellon Its like NCA claiming to be CA Or LV claiming to be trustworthy.....
Bellon Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.12 02:59:00 - [219] Originally by: Condolesco Originally by: Bellon Its like NCA claiming to be CA Or LV claiming to be trustworthy..... 90% of those who have been our allies can agree we are trustworthy and keep our word. The exceptions seem to be the ones who failed us and needed someone else to blame.
BuyN Sell	Posted - 2007.02.12 05:43:00 - [220] Edited by: BuyN Sell on 12/02/2007 05:39:33 Originally by: Bellon Originally by: Condolesco Originally by: Bellon Its like NCA claiming to be CA Or LV claiming to be trustworthy..... 90% of those who have been our allies can agree we are trustworthy and keep our word. The exceptions seem to be the ones who failed us and needed someone else to blame. Someone posted this before and I thought it was appropriate to the discussion. http://sa.zector.co.uk/slave/files/5b/5baa2436c329e93becb4f4a77986cad1ecb73a78.jpg

capt robn0id2 Amarr Igneus Auctorita	Posted - 2007.02.12 06:06:00 - [221] Originally by: Bellon Originally by: Condolesco Originally by: Bellon Its like NCA claiming to be CA Or LV claiming to be trustworthy..... 90% of those who have been our allies can agree we are trustworthy and keep our word. The exceptions seem to be the ones who failed us and needed someone else to blame. Apart from BoD and co. do you have any allies left? That would sorta suggest the trust levels they (who they are I'm not sure) are non-existant? Doesnt seem like this new BoD/LV relationship has lasted long enough for any backstabbing to have taken place yet. /me waits and watches tho
Codin Plaks Gallente Dawn of a new Empire	Posted - 2007.02.12 11:13:00 - [222] This thread should have died a long time ago. Lock? -------------------------------------------- We are recruiting. Click here for info.
Bellon Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.02.12 12:35:00 - [223] Originally by: capt robn0id2 Originally by: Bellon Originally by: Condolesco Originally by: Bellon Its like NCA claiming to be CA Or LV claiming to be trustworthy..... 90% of those who have been our allies can agree we are trustworthy and keep our word. The exceptions seem to be the ones who failed us and needed someone else to blame. Apart from BoD and co. do you have any allies left? That would sorta suggest the trust levels they (who they are I'm not sure) are non-existant? Doesnt seem like this new BoD/LV relationship has lasted long enough for any backstabbing to have taken place yet. /me waits and watches tho All the Good PvPers from V are still in the area and still our allies. All the good PvPers from KOS joined our corps. There were no good PvPers in ERA. Please explain what backstabbing you are referring to. If you mean KOS, then please check your facts: KOS NAPd RA and handed over the stations because they ****** up the fuelling on their home system and lost it overnight. They then lied to us about having a NAP. Only after the lie was uncovered did we set them to negative. If this is backstabbing then the word is meaningless.
BuyN Sell	Posted - 2007.02.12 14:23:00 - [224] Originally by: Bellon Originally by: capt robn0id2 Originally by: Bellon Originally by: Condolesco Originally by: Bellon Its like NCA claiming to be CA Or LV claiming to be trustworthy..... 90% of those who have been our allies can agree we are trustworthy and keep our word. The exceptions seem to be the ones who failed us and needed someone else to blame. Apart from BoD and co. do you have any allies left? That would sorta suggest the trust levels they (who they are I'm not sure) are non-existant? Doesnt seem like this new BoD/LV relationship has lasted long enough for any backstabbing to have taken place yet. /me waits and watches tho All the Good PvPers from V are still in the area and still our allies. All the good PvPers from KOS joined our corps. There were no good PvPers in ERA. Please explain what backstabbing you are referring to. If you mean KOS, then please check your facts: KOS NAPd RA and handed over the stations because they ****** up the fuelling on their home system and lost it overnight. They then lied to us about having a NAP. Only after the lie was uncovered did we set them to negative. If this is backstabbing then the word is meaningless. KOS was offered a truce and a pullout because their systems were lost. They declined the initial offer and discussed it internally. At the time LV set KOS to -10, they were still hostile to RA and had not declared a NAP. When LV pilots were flooding KOS systems to attack (strange they didn't flood to defend) KOS was still red to RA and newly red to LV. Now, what do you think you would do in that situation? If this isn't backstabbing I don't know what is.
capt robn0id2 Amarr Igneus Auctorita	Posted - 2007.02.12 15:15:00 - [225] I guess the fact that you are alone now and bob slaves would suggest ur old friends didnt feel they were in the right place and have moved on. For whatever the reason, the facts still stand, Your "friends" are gone. Is bob gonna let ur part of the map be like a sorta bluey green or is it gonna be all blue next map rev?
Engad Tanon Enterprise Estonia Cult of War	Posted - 2007.02.12 16:21:00 - [226] Originally by: capt robn0id2 I guess the fact that you are alone now and bob slaves would suggest ur old friends didnt feel they were in the right place and have moved on. For whatever the reason, the facts still stand, Your "friends" are gone. Is bob gonna let ur part of the map be like a sorta bluey green or is it gonna be all blue next map rev? i need slaves to, u dont want be mine
Shadoo North Eastern Swat	Posted - 2007.02.12 19:23:00 - [227] Originally by: Bellon <snip: rabble, half truths, lies about what was KOS> I think it is you who needs to check your facts and stop posting propaganda already out of op... You clearly were mining in Jita when it all happened.
Founder Meo Gallente Dragons Of Redemption Southern Cross Alliance	Posted - 2007.02.13 00:59:00 - [228] Not All ex-friends of LV have left them or feel betrayed by them i was in -V- and soon ill be fighting for my Comrades in LV and I'm looking forward to flying with the old crew as for the allegations against KOS we all know what they did when you rationalize it, it still comes out the same way we got back stabbed. now I'm not going to quibble over semantics as far as I'm concerned LV put in there two and are still being viewed badly, thats simply a attempt by LV's enemies to make LV look bad, maybe they didn't go ALL in but they did enough and saved myself as well as my friends enough times for me to still view them as friends. i don't hold the loss of -V- against them and neither should anybody else ----------------------------------------------- -Who would bring a charge against God's elect ? it is God who justifies- Romans 8:33


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