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Sorela
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.18 21:21:00 -
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Just hoping to create a valid thread on this topic here so please keep it clean everyone.
The discussion for those who missed it is: Certain alliances ask for screenshots of login names to try to catch lazy people who lie about how many accounts they have.
It doesn't matter who does it I just want this thread to be about informing players that you should not do this as it is dangerous for you to do so. Never give out your account names to another player under any circumstances. It might not sound dangerous because it's not the same as a password but it is indeed VERY dangerous to do so.
I would also like to request or say it would be "nice of CCP" to make a general announcement saying this is a no-no because it is dangerous and remind players not to do this sort of thing. Account hacking is on the rise due to increased visibility of this industry caused by WoW. Thus I think increased awareness is important.
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Valan
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Posted - 2007.01.18 21:30:00 -
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I wouldn't have considered it a grey area.
You should not give login names at all, what so ever.
Recent posts by CCP staff saying that it was a grey area requires clarification by a senior CCP staff member.
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.01.18 21:30:00 -
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I can't believe that thread got locked, considering how important account security was to the Dev's with the recent patch, and not storing your password any longer.
Hopefully ISD shrinks a little on the back that.
As far as I can see, if the original author was truthful in his representations of events, it demonstrates an extremely clear case of EULA violation.
You'll get my account name when you pry my cold dead hand off of it.
Do not believe it is not a security hole. Your security is more than halved if you release your account name to anybody experienced at circumventing security systems.
No alliance is worth that risk.
You can't fly safe, if your account isn't.
CCP are swift to warn certain known EULA violators, macro users, when a nuisance macro program is released. I would hope to see an equally well publicised ruling, nay reminder, on this very serious security problem for non EULA violators very very quickly.
I also anticipate being dissappointed.
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Sorela
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.18 21:33:00 -
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We don't need to discuss the other threads really. All that needs to be said is that ISD has said something which is confusing and that a clear open response needs to be given on the forums and people should not need to petition a gm to get the answer to this as everyone needs to know.
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Gone'Postal
Minmatar LuthorCorp Combat Division
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Posted - 2007.01.18 21:45:00 -
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I've seen the orginal post. Would love to see a GM post on this issue.
ISD. I'd learn whats Black, White and gray.. you may not speak with any kind of power on the forums, but your normaly the first replys we get on issues.
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Eldo Davip
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.01.18 21:48:00 -
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Quote: Recent posts by CCP staff saying that it was a grey area requires clarification by a senior CCP staff member.
I am not CCP staff, and I did say petition this to the GMs.
Keep this thread clear of the flaming of alliances and players which occurred in the previous thread.
Originally by: Sorela We don't need to discuss the other threads really. All that needs to be said is that ISD has said something which is confusing and that a clear open response needs to be given on the forums and people should not need to petition a gm to get the answer to this as everyone needs to know.
It maybe confusing, but to clear it up, ill say again. The best reponse you will receive is from the GMs by petitioning. ___
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hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2007.01.18 21:50:00 -
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I am not sure what you are on about. Asking for the login screen is a common practice to prevent alt abuse.
And by login screens it means "character login screen", not "account login screen". And last i checked, the character login screen does not display your account name anywhere, just your alts in-game names. So what's the "security problem"? Am i missing something?
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2007.01.18 21:51:00 -
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Edited by: LUGAL MOP''N''GLO on 18/01/2007 21:50:42
AFAIK, ISD can't say anything about whether is IS or IS NOT an exploit which is exactly what the guy did. Ya'll just flamed him by mixing his words around so that they sounded like he was making an unclear statement.
ISD said,
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If you think this is a problem then please petition the GMs. AFAIK I know this is standard policy with many alliances. I'm not sure if this is a EULA violation or not
And some person said
Quote: And to the ISD chap, AFAIK doesn't exactly cut it. In circumstances like this you either know the right answer or you stay out of it. Speculation on the part of someone who many may deem to be official will just confuse matters more.
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Eldo Davip
Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department
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Posted - 2007.01.18 21:51:00 -
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Originally by: hydraSlav I am not sure what you are on about. Asking for the login screen is a common practice to prevent alt abuse.
And by login screens it means "character login screen", not "account login screen". And last i checked, the character login screen does not display your account name anywhere, just your alts in-game names. So what's the "security problem"? Am i missing something?
Some alliances want account and character - that's where the problem exists. ___
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.01.18 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: hydraSlav Am i missing something?
I think yes. From what I read of that previous thread, it was extremely clear they were asking for the login screen, with the drop down box shown, so they could examine how many accounts you held.
Mine has six. Yes six. And five of them aren't mine. So how any Alliance thinks I should compromise 5 of my friends accounts for their benefit I don't know.
Plus they would reject my application when I told them I didn't have the passwords so could not show them 5 other character screens. So it's a lose/lose situation for some applicants.
I give my account name, and 5 other account names away and get rejected. Sounds like an intensely bad deal trying to join an alliance these days. They can keep 0.0, it's not worth the asking price.
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Jiekon
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Posted - 2007.01.18 22:06:00 -
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I will point kieron to this thread and he will decide if it deserves a general announcement or not.
CCP has always encouraged people to keep their account details top secret, especially account usernames as it can be very dangerous if it were to fall into teh wrong hands.
You really have to ask: Is it worth risking your account security to join this alliance? if the answer is no (which it should be) either fake it or forget the alliance. ___________________________ ~Jiekon
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Anator Namon
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Posted - 2007.01.18 22:16:00 -
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Considering how easy it is to fake it, I am confused. Additionally, the request for Harddrive screenshots is hilarious. Only the Admin of my computer can see everything...
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Xaroth Brook
Minmatar Doomcraft
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Posted - 2007.01.18 22:23:00 -
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asking for such specific details is stupid, everybody knows that info can be faked no problemo.. all it takes is a bit of time and some good *cough*downloads*cough*
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.01.18 22:25:00 -
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Edited by: Gaven Blands on 18/01/2007 22:23:52 EDIT: Typo fixed. I don't like typos on sensible threads.
Thank you Jiekon.
I also had another look at the EULA, and got this bit:-
"You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the login name or --character name-- of anyone else."
Does that mean even asking for screenshots of the character login screen is disallowed. I would think yes, but I also think it needs clarification.
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Kylania
Gallente Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.18 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Gaven Blands Thank you Jiekon.
I also had another look at the EULA, and got this bit:-
"You may not obtain, attempt to obtain, use or attempt to use the login name or --character name-- of anyone else."
You used his name, ooh you're in trouble!!! -- Lil Miner Newbie Skills Roadmap | How to Build from a BPO |
Tremitry Darkstar
Caldari Eve University Ivy League
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Posted - 2007.01.18 22:28:00 -
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Originally by: Jiekon I will point kieron to this thread and he will decide if it deserves a general announcement or not.
CCP has always encouraged people to keep their account details top secret, especially account usernames as it can be very dangerous if it were to fall into teh wrong hands.
You really have to ask: Is it worth risking your account security to join this alliance? if the answer is no (which it should be) either fake it or forget the alliance.
Speaking as someone with a strong programming and networking background, I look forward to the official word as this is a major concern. I am a relatively new member and will likely be looking to join a "major" corporation.
If I may be so bold, I am expecting to see a pretty clear announcement that the "username" and other identity-related parts of the EULA will be enforced much more heavily in the future.
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Ozzie Asrail
FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.18 22:35:00 -
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Hiow does seeing someones account logon screen show their numbe of accounts? I've got 3 seperate installs that only show 1 account name each in the box... -----
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Gaven Blands
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Posted - 2007.01.18 22:36:00 -
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Originally by: Kylania
You used his name, ooh you're in trouble!!!
Yeah, it does read a little bit peculiarly I agree.
Kylania.
Oops! I did it again! I obtained your name and used it!
Kylania. ooo! Somebody Spank Me!
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Major Stormer
Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency
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Posted - 2007.01.18 22:39:00 -
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This whole alts and spies thing is getting out of hand. Asking for login screenshots should never have been requested reguardless of anything. Even char screenshots might be to much.
Personlly I always considered the best way to avoid spies and alts was to consider their actions, rather then requiring use of screenshots (which a serous spy would have forged long before). This is just a sad way for some alliances and corps who just "hire anyone" and lazy with reguards to keeping tabs on their memberbase to try and weed out spies.
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Sorela
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.18 22:41:00 -
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Edited by: Sorela on 18/01/2007 22:39:30
Originally by: LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
AFAIK, ISD can't say anything about whether is IS or IS NOT an exploit which is exactly what the guy did. Ya'll just flamed him by mixing his words around so that they sounded like he was making an unclear statement.
That's why I said I wanted everyone to keep it clean. It's not like ISD has to know the answer to this. I agree that there is nothing wrong with him not knowing.
That means the situation is still unanswered though and while I respect that "petition a GM" is the proper course of action for finding out the answer the aim of this thread is to get the GM's in here on the boards saying "don't do this anymore" and to warn people.
That doesn't mean people need to flame Eldo though.
Thanks Jiekon for responding at least we know it's going to be looked at and that was all that I really cared about.
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Venkul Mul
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.18 22:42:00 -
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Clear cache. ir reset the log in drop box too.
I have only 1 account, truly officer, how can you dubt it?
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2007.01.18 22:49:00 -
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Well how can you prove that X applicant isn't a spy for X corp trying to spy on X corp/alliance ? Best Dressed Corp of 2006 and 2007! -ISD Marcus Thinks Eve who knew!? |
Kerushi
Caldari BIG
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Posted - 2007.01.18 22:53:00 -
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i only have 1 account as i use 4 seperate directories and those other 3 are on a different hdd
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Anator Namon
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Posted - 2007.01.18 22:56:00 -
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Eh, on the harddrive thing. If you are Admin you can make things not appear to whoever you don't want them to appear to.
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Valan
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Posted - 2007.01.18 23:01:00 -
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Originally by: Eldo Davip
Quote: Recent posts by CCP staff saying that it was a grey area requires clarification by a senior CCP staff member.
I am not CCP staff, and I did say petition this to the GMs.
Apologies forum representative :)
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Opai McTwist
Amarr The Sell Swords
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Posted - 2007.01.18 23:02:00 -
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I was gonna flame. I thought better of it. I'm only going to say that people have very high opinions of themselves and the causes they take up... demanding this, expecting that.
As far as I'm concerned, CCP has stated time and again that it is a player's responsibility to keep their account information secret.
I wonder how some of the security-minded people that are so up in arms about their account information feel about all the account and character sales that go on? What about those accounts? Do you lecture the account sales people and demand a GM response in those forums as well?
Account security is important, and knowing this, CCP has made appropriate statements to that effect. I am left wondering if, everytime this comes up, will there be "security-minded" people that demand responses from the GMs or CCP staff every time personal account information is mentioned? Has anyone considered how long EVE has been running? And wondered if this issue has ever come up before, or do people assume (because we humans are apt to do this simplification all the time) that since this is the first they read of it, that CCP has NEVER had to deal with this before.
Ok so I may have waxed flame-y at the end there... I just think its pretty damn rude to demand anything from CCP without due diligence first.
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SSgt Sniper
Gallente Zekarus Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.01.18 23:08:00 -
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Originally by: Jiekon I will point kieron to this thread and he will decide if it deserves a general announcement or not.
CCP has always encouraged people to keep their account details top secret, especially account usernames as it can be very dangerous if it were to fall into teh wrong hands.
You really have to ask: Is it worth risking your account security to join this alliance? if the answer is no (which it should be) either fake it or forget the alliance.
I have already set my account to expire at the end of this cycle over this and some other issues. However a CCP DEV response on this issue quashing the practice would go a LONG way to making me reconsider. ---------
Representing all the casual gamers happily living in Empire, that want NO PART of your 0.0 annoyances.
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SSgt Sniper
Gallente Zekarus Ltd.
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Posted - 2007.01.18 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: Opai McTwist I was gonna flame. I thought better of it. I'm only going to say that people have very high opinions of themselves and the causes they take up... demanding this, expecting that.
As far as I'm concerned, CCP has stated time and again that it is a player's responsibility to keep their account information secret.
I wonder how some of the security-minded people that are so up in arms about their account information feel about all the account and character sales that go on? What about those accounts? Do you lecture the account sales people and demand a GM response in those forums as well?
Account security is important, and knowing this, CCP has made appropriate statements to that effect. I am left wondering if, everytime this comes up, will there be "security-minded" people that demand responses from the GMs or CCP staff every time personal account information is mentioned? Has anyone considered how long EVE has been running? And wondered if this issue has ever come up before, or do people assume (because we humans are apt to do this simplification all the time) that since this is the first they read of it, that CCP has NEVER had to deal with this before.
Ok so I may have waxed flame-y at the end there... I just think its pretty damn rude to demand anything from CCP without due diligence first.
Account sales are illegal and should be punished. Character sales are legal and fine, and have a very specific EULA legal process to use. Take a look at the bottom of the account info screen for more on this. ---------
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Opai McTwist
Amarr The Sell Swords
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Posted - 2007.01.18 23:12:00 -
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Originally by: SSgt Sniper
Originally by: Jiekon I will point kieron to this thread and he will decide if it deserves a general announcement or not.
CCP has always encouraged people to keep their account details top secret, especially account usernames as it can be very dangerous if it were to fall into teh wrong hands.
You really have to ask: Is it worth risking your account security to join this alliance? if the answer is no (which it should be) either fake it or forget the alliance.
I have already set my account to expire at the end of this cycle over this and some other issues. However a CCP DEV response on this issue quashing the practice would go a LONG way to making me reconsider.
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Jashan T'Okara
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Posted - 2007.01.18 23:15:00 -
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I think that the whole paranoia in-game is reaching an unhealthy level. I understand that being cautious of new recruits is a good thing, and even getting a screenshot of the character selection screen would make sense. But screenshots of the login screen and hard drive prove nothing. In addition to all this, getting those screenshots in no way will protect you from a dedicated corp thief/spy, as they will just fake the stuff.
I would never give out my login info or anything so personal as a screenshot of my harddrive contents to gain membership of a corp, no matter how good the corp. And personally, would wonder about the mentality of a corp/alliance which goes to such lengths of paranoia in order to 'protect' themselves, and would not want to put my lot in with that crowd. Onoez!! I posterd with an ALT!??!!??? |
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