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Vigilant Gallente Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2007.01.19 01:51:00 - [1] As the title says .... Personally I hate just as much a MACRO Miners.... they eat all the rock ... Or sit on ice fields till the end of time.. We the public know they are selling to whoever puts up a buy order ... Good for the players I guess.. Cheap stuff... But, they then turn around and sell the ISK for Real Life Cash I think it time for CCP to really start nuking these accounts... Tell the farmers whos in charge...
Ekscalybur	Posted - 2007.01.19 01:54:00 - [2] I've always wondered if farmers were ever truly eliminated from an MMO, any MMO really, what would it do to that games economy? I'd assume that whatever it was they were farming would increase in price, but by how much and what effects would that increase cause? Also, would the playerbase really like this outcome?
Vigilant Gallente Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2007.01.19 01:55:00 - [3] I know from what my m8's say in WoW ... they actually eliminate there accounts ....
Dame Schaifa	Posted - 2007.01.19 02:10:00 - [4] That's the great thing about a real ingame economy! You are right, the price would go up, which would encourage miners to mine more and new people who never thought it worthwhile to try out mining for the first time, spurred by the lure of easy ISK. Both of these effects would be beneficial to the player economy in the long run. And, as more player mining was performed the price would lower again until a new stable price point was established. My own opinion? I feel that macroers, or anyone that sells ingame "gold" for real life money, is the most destructive (or at least, one of) force in any MMORPG game. I am surprised that many companies do not make their elimination a higher priority.
Locke DieDrake Human Information Virus	Posted - 2007.01.19 02:11:00 - [5] CCP has in the past stated that they ban many accounts every month. Some, if not most of these are macro users, or other grievous rule breakers. However, they usually do not disclose this information to the public, because they don't see it as our business. And they are right. It doesn't do any of us any good we hear about the number of accounts banned this month. ______________________________________________ Goon FC(08/12/06):"its a trap" "that thing is fully operational"
D'onryu Shoqui Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.19 02:12:00 - [6] Edited by: D''onryu Shoqui on 19/01/2007 02:08:36 i'd like to know there behind closed doors view sorry if its bad humour but topic kinda implys it would be different
Dame Schaifa	Posted - 2007.01.19 02:22:00 - [7] Edited by: Dame Schaifa on 19/01/2007 02:21:04 That's an easy one. Behind closed doors I am not so polite! edit: Oops! I finally correctly read the title of this thread.
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.01.19 02:32:00 - [8] i doubt farmers really sell isk for money - if an alliance has a 10/10 in their vicinity, it's kind of a "job" to get as much as possible out of it as general fundraising.
Allantia FW Inc Kith of Venal	Posted - 2007.01.19 02:35:00 - [9] Originally by: Ekscalybur I've always wondered if farmers were ever truly eliminated from an MMO, any MMO really, what would it do to that games economy? I'd assume that whatever it was they were farming would increase in price, but by how much and what effects would that increase cause? Also, would the playerbase really like this outcome? It would ripple throughout the economy... mineral prices would increase and the price of ships would follow. Ironically, T2 ships would probably be affected the least since they're already sold at a significant markup compared to the cost of the minerals they require. Not something that the playbase would probably like, but perhaps closer to what CCP intended? Eventually more people would get into mining due to the increasing profits, and the prices would balance out.
Enzii	Posted - 2007.01.19 02:52:00 - [10] Originally by: Roemy Schneider i doubt farmers really sell isk for money - if an alliance has a 10/10 in their vicinity, it's kind of a "job" to get as much as possible out of it as general fundraising.

HottieWitAbody	Posted - 2007.01.19 03:15:00 - [11] Edited by: HottieWitAbody on 19/01/2007 03:11:35 edit: lost track of the posts, posted in the wrong one :) Kill the farmers though!
Vigilant Gallente Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2007.01.19 03:15:00 - [12] Originally by: Dame Schaifa Edited by: Dame Schaifa on 19/01/2007 02:21:04 That's an easy one. Behind closed doors I am not so polite! edit: Oops! I finally correctly read the title of this thread. Should link EBAY threads
Hilabana Minmatar Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2007.01.19 05:14:00 - [13] Originally by: Vigilant As the title says .... Personally I hate just as much a MACRO Miners.... they eat all the rock ... Or sit on ice fields till the end of time.. We the public know they are selling to whoever puts up a buy order ... Good for the players I guess.. Cheap stuff... But, they then turn around and sell the ISK for Real Life Cash I think it time for CCP to really start nuking these accounts... Tell the farmers whos in charge... Farmers and Macro miners are not the same! in the old days of eve to Farm a belt was to take away the over size veldspar and give time for the better ore to get bigger and then to mine the better or a little bit with out popping the ore! Macro miners do not care about popping or stripping the ore away for ever ! there in it to make ISK and sell the ISK online ! There is a way to track the ISK that is sold for real money just by tagging the ISK path back 1 person . its like that with real money and they look at the money and find out what person had it. Some is staying in the game just to make money in real life and that robs all the players in eve of how this games was to be play from the start! if may fule the market but it kills the market for the real game play !
Ice Conch	Posted - 2007.01.19 05:21:00 - [14] Originally by: Locke DieDrake CCP has in the past stated that they ban many accounts every month. Some, if not most of these are macro users, or other grievous rule breakers. there have been some very questionable bans for some very minor things going around...
Heavy Arms Gallente The Phoenix Mercenaries	Posted - 2007.01.19 07:13:00 - [15] Edited by: Heavy Arms on 19/01/2007 07:10:09 I am in no way saying macroing is fine and ok to do but i have a question.. everyone here seems to be only stating the fact that these ppl ruin the game bc they mine then sell for isk and then sell isk for RL money... my question is what if someone macro'd just to supply themselfs with the mins.. and i stress not even to sell for isk just to build with stuff with.. i stress agian though im not saying its ok. but just wondering if that would be a different view for some. also are they being banned for macroing or for selling isk? havnt read the eula for awhile cant remember.
DeadProphet Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.19 07:49:00 - [16] Originally by: Hilabana Originally by: Vigilant As the title says .... Personally I hate just as much a MACRO Miners.... they eat all the rock ... Or sit on ice fields till the end of time.. We the public know they are selling to whoever puts up a buy order ... Good for the players I guess.. Cheap stuff... But, they then turn around and sell the ISK for Real Life Cash I think it time for CCP to really start nuking these accounts... Tell the farmers whos in charge... Farmers and Macro miners are not the same! in the old days of eve to Farm a belt was to take away the over size veldspar and give time for the better ore to get bigger and then to mine the better or a little bit with out popping the ore! Macro miners do not care about popping or stripping the ore away for ever ! there in it to make ISK and sell the ISK online ! There is a way to track the ISK that is sold for real money just by tagging the ISK path back 1 person . its like that with real money and they look at the money and find out what person had it. Some is staying in the game just to make money in real life and that robs all the players in eve of how this games was to be play from the start! if may fule the market but it kills the market for the real game play ! farming these days is 0.0 belt npcers who are in newb corps, a few months old (with no corp history) in battleships with cloaks, when you enter the system, they instawarp to a safe and cloak, and dont uncloak until you leave (can be days later). there's loads of them in 0.0, everywhere, with unimaginative names such as yide1986, yide1982, yide1984 etc Listen to me on BoB Radio Wednesdays 16:00-17:00 & Sunday 18:00-19:00
Rodj Blake Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.19 10:35:00 - [17] CCP are perfectly happy with farmers, as long as the ISK is laundered through time-cards. Dulce et decorum est, pro imperator mori It's great being Amarr, ain't it?
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.19 10:38:00 - [18] CCP's view on farmers is pretty simple. They want the best of both worlds, so they try to ban the ISK sellers/launderers who handle 10s of billions while keeping the subscriptions of the few hundred farmers giving them money to sell. Do they succeed? I'm not sure. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)

Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.01.19 11:43:00 - [19] Who would have anything againt farmers, dont they just grow vegatables for us to eat? But if you are meaning Isk farmers, CCP have stated on many occations that they are completely againt the selling of isk for RL money, and ban many account (they have given figures before but dont like to do it - but its alot). If you think you know somone who sells or buys isk for money you should petition them and the GM's will look into it. - Thanks Hutch. ____ forum rules \| Email us They call me "Hutch" because my name is well... long

Xsag Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.01.19 11:59:00 - [20] Originally by: Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Who would have anything againt farmers, dont they just grow vegatables for us to eat? But if you are meaning Isk farmers, CCP have stated on many occations that they are completely againt the selling of isk for RL money, and ban many account (they have given figures before but dont like to do it - but its alot). If you think you know somone who sells or buys isk for money you should petition them and the GM's will look into it. i notice you didnt mention the timecards thing though....that is basically the same id like to hear your views on that. ~n00b of all trades~ ~~Airkio~~ / ~~Muvolailen~~ ~if im posting on here its cos im in work~

NotNowKato Gallente Mitsukashi Holdings Limited Astral Wolves	Posted - 2007.01.19 12:11:00 - [21] you cant get rid of farmers Ive had too many hysterical convos that make absolutely no sense with em - they cheer me up no end. Originally by: Shirow Miyazaki I'm beginning to agree with the opinion of the forum, that shakespeare captured in 1597 in the start of Richard III: "Now is the winter of our gimped content"
Kate Nexus	Posted - 2007.01.19 12:21:00 - [22] ummm 1 word GTC
Roy Batty68 Caldari Immortal Dead	Posted - 2007.01.19 12:21:00 - [23] Anyone remember that 93 hit single Informer by Snow (the canadian reggae white boy)? Well, for the longest time I thought he was singing about farmers... I couldn't figure out why all the canadian hate for farmers. *Farmer, you no say daddy me snow me Ill go blame, A licky boom boom down. Detective mon said daddy me snow me stab someone down the lane, A licky boom boom down. Farmer*, you no say daddy me snow me Ill go blame, A licky boom boom down. Anyway, I think CCP has already subtly registered their thoughts on farmers. Exploration. It could probably still stand some tweeking but it's the perfect answer for those sorts of problems. Who knows, maybe they'll eventually phase out the current static plexes. ------------------- ... [OK] ... zOMG!

Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.01.19 12:27:00 - [24] Originally by: Xsag Originally by: Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Who would have anything againt farmers, dont they just grow vegatables for us to eat? But if you are meaning Isk farmers, CCP have stated on many occations that they are completely againt the selling of isk for RL money, and ban many account (they have given figures before but dont like to do it - but its alot). If you think you know somone who sells or buys isk for money you should petition them and the GM's will look into it. i notice you didnt mention the timecards thing though....that is basically the same id like to hear your views on that. I dont have a view im a volenteer forum moderator not a CCP staff member. - Thanks Hutch. ____ forum rules \| Email us They call me "Hutch" because my name is well... long

Roshan longshot Gallente Ordos Humanitas	Posted - 2007.01.19 12:38:00 - [25] The problem with labels and saying a person is a farmer, is he really a farmer, or is he trying to mine for isk only? I have spent several hours at a belt with my hauling alt. Not to sale said ore but to refine it for production. Oh by the way Hutch, you were a much better looking '!' then you are now...geesh. Free-form Professions, ensure no limetations on professions. Be a trader, fighter, industialist, researcher, hunter *pirate* or mixture of them all. [i]As read from the original box.
Kate Nexus	Posted - 2007.01.19 13:45:00 - [26] Originally by: Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc But if you are meaning Isk farmers, CCP have stated on many occations that they are completely againt the selling of isk for RL money, and ban many account (they have given figures before but dont like to do it - but its alot). If you think you know somone who sells or buys isk for money you should petition them and the GM's will look into it. step 1: farm ISK step 2: buy GTC with ISK step 3: sell GTC for cash It's the same thing but well within the rules. Comments?
Altaree Gallente Red Frog Investments Daikoku Trade Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.19 13:51:00 - [27] Originally by: Kate Nexus step 1: farm ISK step 2: buy GTC with ISK step 3: sell GTC for cash It's the same thing but well within the rules. Comments? If the person selling GTC for cash isn't an ccp reseller and is just scamming people. The buyer is SOL in the eyes of eve. Better to go to an authorized reseller.
Nir The Doldrums	Posted - 2007.01.19 13:55:00 - [28] Originally by: Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc But if you are meaning Isk farmers, CCP have stated on many occations that they are completely againt the selling of isk for RL money, and ban many account (they have given figures before but dont like to do it - but its alot). And now read what Rodj said. CCP give a loophole for perfect legit ISK <-> RL cash exchange.
Kate Nexus	Posted - 2007.01.19 14:01:00 - [29] Edited by: Kate Nexus on 19/01/2007 13:59:47 Originally by: Altaree If the person selling GTC for cash isn't an ccp reseller and is just scamming people. The buyer is SOL in the eyes of eve. Better to go to an authorized reseller. Not really. GTCs on the sell forums are authorized by CCP. You cant get scammed. If you do the ISK is returned and the scammer is banned. You can safely buy GTCs with ISK, and when you own GTCs you can do whatever you want with them. You can sell them to a friend if you want to. You can put them on ebay if you want to. One of CCPs own game time card resellers sells them on ebay. GTC allows you to indirectly buy ISK with RL cash and indirectly sell ISK for RL cash.
thesulei Syndicate Technologies	Posted - 2007.01.19 14:04:00 - [30] Afaik, there is simply no market for selling in-game isk for real cash. Why would anybody risk being banned for buying isk when he or she can just as well sell GTC's?



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