I guess the obvious question is CCP happy that 4 out of the 5 most popular hull + weapon combinations are cruiser hulls?

Drone cruisers still top of the heap. But since the adjustments were fairly recent, I'm not surprised. The damage profiles do seem a bit more spread out from the last time someone posted/showed an image like this.

I guess the obvious question is CCP happy that 4 out of the 5 most popular hull + weapon combinations are cruiser hulls?

And so far, no one is really bothered that the laser damage type is by far the dimmest column in the chart?

The "elegant" weapon system that can swap crystal type at a moment's notice and can project damage very well is the one that is used the least....


It's a simple fix:

50% energy turret capacitor usage reduction for all amarr laser boats as a role bonus and replace any existing cap usage reduction bonuses with a proper ship bonus. (laser boats with a marauder style setup of half the usual turret count and 100% damage bonus obviously have that already implemented, even though both sansha and blood raider ship lines need some more fitting and capacitor related love)

The price we currently pay for using lasers is too high for laser boats to be interesting enough to players - like the inability to swap damage type and the insane cap usage lasers have is not enough, but we also have extremely mediocre laser hulls with that stupid energy turret capacitor usage reduction bonus that is just stealing the spot for a proper ship bonus....

The poor Retribution.

Look at the chart and try not to cry.
Open EFT, try to fit one.
Cry a lot.

It's drone damage on cruiser hulls and since nearly all cruisers can use drones to some degree or another things would be way out of balance if drones were not at the top of the list.

Any way to split out missiles to size fired? Rapid XXX are probably over-representing, but we can't tell from here.

I guess the obvious question is CCP happy that 4 out of the 5 most popular hull + weapon combinations are cruiser hulls?

OH NO, EVERY SHIP IS NOT EQUAL! WE MUST NERF SOMETHING.

Or we can ask things like why are the drake, drake navy and cyclone combined outdamaged by a simple hurricane & hurricane fleet?

I mean, god knows medium projectiles are dire....so what does that tell you about HML/HAM...?

Nobody said nerf the cane, you ridiculous panic merchant.

I would like to once again push for all drones to be stripped off ALL ships that are not made for them until you get to CBC and BS size ships.

I hope you'd suggest buffing the ships that are then losing drone bays. Deimos, Thorax and Fed Navy Comet get horribly sub-par DPS without their flights, for example.

I hope you'd suggest buffing the ships that are then losing drone bays. Deimos, Thorax and Fed Navy Comet get horribly sub-par DPS without their flights, for example.

Thorax ... get horribly sub-par DPS without their flights ... for example....

But then... Why every ship type (but logifrigs and cmd dessies) show they dealt fighter damage?

'Cause I bet the chart shows damage received by ships, not damage dealt.

So please people stop complaing about Ishtars and Gilas. The chart doesn't show that drone cruisers are the most effective ships (and no I'm not saying they aren't, I'm just pointing out that's not what the chart shows).


The chart just shows that:

1) people love flying cruisers;
2) one of the most effective weapon to hurt a cruiser are drones.

We all know that.

And BTW anyway it's obvious that drones as a weapon system have the most combined damaged... that's because almost every ship has drones, and even not counting drone boats, drones account for 10%-20% of the DPS of most ships.

So if you take ideally 1 Amarr laser ship, 1 Gallente hybrid ship, 1 Caldari missile ship and 1 Minmatar projectile ship, let's say for sake of simple math they all are perfectly balanced and do 400 DPS from the main system and 100 from drones, you end up with:
400 DPS by lasers
400 DPS by missiles
400 DPS by hybrid
400 DPS by projectile
and guess what, 400 DPS from drones. And there's no drone boat in there.

Add to the mix 1 drone boat (400 DPS from drones + 100 DPS from turrets, ideally) and you get 900 DPS from drone, and "only" 400 from the other systems (with just one that gets 500).

Nothing surprising here.

'Cause I bet the chart shows damage received by ships, not damage dealt.

'Cause I bet the chart shows damage received by ships, not damage dealt.

So please people stop complaing about Ishtars and Gilas. The chart doesn't show that drone cruisers are the most effective ships (and no I'm not saying they aren't, I'm just pointing out that's not what the chart shows).


The chart just shows that:

1) people love flying cruisers;
2) one of the most effective weapon to hurt a cruiser are drones.

We all know that.

And BTW anyway it's obvious that drones as a weapon system have the most combined damaged... that's because almost every ship has drones, and even not counting drone boats, drones account for 10%-20% of the DPS of most ships.

So if you take ideally 1 Amarr laser ship, 1 Gallente hybrid ship, 1 Caldari missile ship and 1 Minmatar projectile ship, let's say for sake of simple math they all are perfectly balanced and do 400 DPS from the main system and 100 from drones, you end up with:
400 DPS by lasers
400 DPS by missiles
400 DPS by hybrid
400 DPS by projectile
and guess what, 400 DPS from drones. And there's no drone boat in there.

Add to the mix 1 drone boat (400 DPS from drones + 100 DPS from turrets, ideally) and you get 900 DPS from drone, and "only" 400 from the other systems (with just one that gets 500).

Nothing surprising here.

CCP Quant has conjured up some data magic added some grains of crunched numbers and voil+í! ready is the damage profile chart 2015.


Let the analysis begin!

CCP Quant has conjured up some data magic added some grains of crunched numbers and voil+í! ready is the damage profile chart 2015.


This chart shows the accumulated damage in 2015 grouped by ship group and refined by weapon group.

A high resolution (vector) version of this 2015 chart is available here.
As comparison check out the damage profiles 2014.

Let the analysis begin!

Why are Battleships at the top?

Why are Battleships at the top?

Are you saying that in a whole year, no carrier was ever shot by anything but drones?

And stealth bombers doing damage with other systems than missiles? I'm assuming dark gray areas with "0B HP" mean "some damage, even if negligible",

Second point still holds. It's not possible to compare weapon systems w/o considering the number of ships that use each system.

This message show that you don't know the game.

Fighter damage for all class except the ones who were introduced after they removed fighter assist mean that all the fighter damage on class beside carrier is assisted fighters. Unless no damage was done by DD on anything but titans and bombers only ever managed to bomb bombers...

Stealth bombers have hard points for turrets. The hound has 2.

I have always wondered why the reliance on drones for just about every ship to take out small stuff when a second fitting line (for small weapons only) would accomplish the job without the extra server side load drones produce.

I would like to once again push for all drones to be stripped off ALL ships that are not made for them until you get to CBC and BS size ships. Frigs die so easily, and so often to the token light drone dps from a cruiser or two, they are ....mostly,,,, not worth the actual time clock investment to undock. Faction/pirate and T2 frigs aside of course.

As well, the drone DPS on that graph is way over represented because every ship has a few token drones, or a flight of mediums that often do more damage to the target than the actual bonus'd weapons system on the hull.

Tristan
Maulus
Maulus navy
Keres
Worm

Algos
Magus
Dragoon
pontifex

Vexor
Vexor Navy
Arbitrator
Gila
Curse
Pilgrim
Ishtar

Proteus (drone configuration)
Legion (drone configuration LOL)

These are the only sub CBC ships that should have drones. AT ALL.

Remember when the Zealot was fun to fly, and Amarr was worthwhile?

because someone had to be at the top. THe top does nto mean more damage. the BRIGHT colors do.

RIP Assault ships and Interceptors. All hail their complete and utter replacement, the T3D!

Excellent point. This is something that real world navies have understood for several hundred years. Anyway, nothing astonishing in these numbers. Cruisers are the best cost/benefit ships for the vast majority of players. I was a bit surprised to see the Proteus as the #1 strategic cruiser. I smiled to see the Catalyst is the #1 destroyer, undoubtedly because of its ganking abilities. Also, RIP assault frigates.

RIP Assault ships and Interceptors. All hail their complete and utter replacement, the T3D!

CCP Quant has conjured up some data magic added some grains of crunched numbers and voil+í! ready is the damage profile chart 2015.


This chart shows the accumulated damage in 2015 grouped by ship group and refined by weapon group.

A high resolution (vector) version of this 2015 chart is available here.
As comparison check out the damage profiles 2014.

Let the analysis begin!

Wow.. Do you think you could post a better copy of this chart?

Even the high resolution is hard to make out the lower ships even by zooming in. Why and how was this posted this way?

But are you saying that every ship in the game has dealt damage with fighters? Even including drone assist, that's just as strange. Why would you use, say, deep transports for that?

Honestly at this point the T3Ds aren't affecting just assault frigates and interceptors. In my opinion it's kind of sad when they are out damaging most categories in the Assault Cruiser category except drones.

How about PvE damage?

If you factor in how much damage was stopped by EWAR, the drone damage wouldn't look so impressive.

Nerf drones.

Nerf drones.

One AFKtar fit to rule them all? So drones at 20 bil damage while the other systems are at 1 bil?

Before we rush to nerf drones.......

What are we trying to do?

There seems to be an unspoken article of faith: if only we can balance the ships and make them equal, we will start getting a better combat experience.

I don't think that is valid, although it is attractive.

Eve is a team game, and the variety is supposed to allow supporting roles and specialist roles.

A dual web Comet, for example, can push 300 dps cold, but it can't fit a point as well. But a dual web comet PLUS a firetail with long point is an extremely effective little frigate pair.

It is the same for logistics, ewar and all the things: in a team fleet environment, it all kinda makes sense.

The great and enduring tragedy of Eve, of course, is that fleet battles are a myth for 99% of players.

The "N+1" blob meta is just too strong. The game has no mechanics to allow balanced fleet sizes to engage each other.

This is weird, because the game DOES have mechanics that restrict ship sizes. We call them faction warfare plexes, and nobody seems to have died from them, despite the grave violence done to the purity of the "sandbox".

But in all of Eve, blobbing is the golden rule. No game mechanics prevent anyone from simply blobbing their enemy and cheering because they had a bigger blob. I'm not talking about big blobs here. 2 v 1 or 3 v 1 is also blobbing.

THAT, friends and neighbours, is the real cancer in this game. It is why Eve is dying, and it is also why the Battleship/Battlecruiser meta is dead.

Why the heck would you spend all that ISK buying and fitting a big ship, just to lose it in a blob?

Because you will lose it in a blob.

I get tired of watching militia channel, and seeing the "leading FW corps" post killmail after killmail of their gate camps blob kills. They think they are doing well, but it is a real cancer on the game. None of them are risking anything, nobody they are fighting wanted the fight.

CCP have refused to enable balanced sized fleet fights since forever. It is an interesting question, as to why. Whether it is because they pander to large groups like the goons who thrive on simply hurting other people, and who have no honour, or whether it is because nobody at the firm understands how to get balance done right, is a good question.

People generally say "if you want a fair fight, you can duel". I have even had players tell me that I should spend my time arranging fair fleet fights if I want them.

In all seriousness, that has been said to me. A paying customer should circumvent the game role play to "create content" with other players.

It is a joke, and a bad one.

CCP need to fix the blob meta, and fast. There are twenty ways from Sunday to do it. If their leadership lack vision, it is time to start sacking leaders until vision presents itself.

There is way too much about this game that is second rate, and worst of all the fundamental game mechanics are a big part of the second rate culture.

Stop fixing ships, stop fixing structures.

Start fixing blobs.

Without the N+1 as some people call it (sigh), there wouldn't be escalating conflicts leading to larger fleet engagements. Without the N+1 there wouldn't be a need to get mercenaries or allies. EvE wouldn't have the epic moments that we know.

Also on a side note: Let's assume there was a system forcing fights to be 10vs10 players. You have 11 corpmates online ... whom do you tell to stay docked or go play something else ?

My suggestion is aimed to cater, in addition, to time poor folks who just want to fight in the militia.

If we could log on, meet up in a formation area, and get zapped out to a squad battle as the next squad in the enemy militia were ready, all within minutes....... then it would be worth the trip back through whatever space, just because we would have had the battle.

Eve doesn't have to be one thing or the other.

The current failure to cater for matched squad sized combat in a reasonable time should not be rationalized as though such mechanics prevent the rest of Eve doing its thing as before.

People fighting in combat fleets and having fun, in a reasonable time frame, might even generate enough revenue to keep the rest of the game alive.

Idk if anyone mentioned it, but drone damage being overwhelming is completely reasonable, because almost anything brings a couple of those, unlike other weapon types

Even real world navies on the seas aren't using battleships anymore. It's all gun and armor, speed is relevant.

Nobody said nerf the cane, you ridiculous panic merchant.

It's drone damage on cruiser hulls and since nearly all cruisers can use drones to some degree or another things would be way out of balance if drones were not at the top of the list.