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MuthaTrucka Amarr Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.21 23:09:00 - [61] Originally by: Laythun Im sorry bro, but it just wasnt that funny. I thought so, and honestly I am the only one whose amusement really matters in this thread. --------------- Don't Call me a Carebear, I don't really care about much at all.
Grimpak Gallente Twisted Attitude Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.01.21 23:10:00 - [62] Originally by: Brunswick2 Originally by: Grimpak [ indeed. every ASCN guy knows that whatever bad thing happened in ASCN was grimpak's fault. Blame Grimpak.(tm) OMG, Grimpak is primary! grabs his Sabre can't catch me! woooosh! ------- Originally by: Tiuwaz for caldari perception weapons that hit up to 100km are short range weapons
Zothike RABBLE-RABBLE	Posted - 2007.01.22 00:13:00 - [63] Yes ASCN alliance was awesome, long time now until we will see such an alliance based on constructing stuff, and not grief oriented. We didn't adapted, i dont regret it...
Kriz Lupin Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.22 00:52:00 - [64] Never saw the point of bob attacking ,,,guess they were bored, Its a shane bob only see fit to attack allianced that actually cintribute to eve, a scepticle peron wuld suspect bob want to hurt eve as a whole
Josho Tsunetumo Caldari V for Vendetta	Posted - 2007.01.22 01:04:00 - [65] Originally by: Kriz Lupin Never saw the point of bob attacking ,,,guess they were bored, Its a shane bob only see fit to attack allianced that actually cintribute to eve, a scepticle peron wuld suspect bob want to hurt eve as a whole Might check what happened to ISS outposts...
olyyy Gallente V I R I I Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2007.01.22 01:20:00 - [66] I was already extremely disappointed when the [5] disbanded... And now ASCN Well, thinking about it, Curse Alliance is reforming. I need a new typhoon. Good luck CLS Men never lie more than before elections, during war and after hunting.
Aiyeeta Beaver Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.22 01:39:00 - [67] Originally by: Grimpak now if only you would delete that damned Beaver banner, things would be better GL in the future MT I blame Grimpak... ^.^ Thanks for using my pic to it's full advantage MT! --------------------------------------------------- If you can't say something nice, then let your weapons do the talking...
Ernest Graefenberg Minmatar Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.22 02:09:00 - [68] Take your failface off Laythun.
Dr CapitalShip Caldari Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.22 09:17:00 - [69] ASCN was great fun while it lasted. However, I will ask the question again. How are the Alliance assets going to be split fairly between the people who bankrupted themselves by fighting for ASCN on the front line?
Helen STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.01.22 09:21:00 - [70] Originally by: Dr CapitalShip ASCN was great fun while it lasted. However, I will ask the question again. How are the Alliance assets going to be split fairly between the people who bankrupted themselves by fighting for ASCN on the front line? Gotta admit this made me chuckle.
Prestidigitator Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.22 09:23:00 - [71] Y'know... One thing that I won't be missing is threads like these... :D
Ian Novarider Eve Defence Force	Posted - 2007.01.22 09:37:00 - [72] /me shoves the Fat Lady onto the stage FAT LADY SINGS THE BLUES /me salutes Its been a great time, ASCN Have fun Ian Quote: Know thy enemy and know thyself and thou will be victorious in all thy battles.
Fitz Chivalry eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.22 09:57:00 - [73] Edited by: Fitz Chivalry on 22/01/2007 09:56:31 Anyway, ASCN was the most frustrating thing in the world to be in most of the time but it was also a collection of some of the nicest peeps you could ever want to meet in a game. Cya around.
Weebear The Bowrey	Posted - 2007.01.22 09:58:00 - [74] Originally by: Dr CapitalShip ASCN was great fun while it lasted. However, I will ask the question again. How are the Alliance assets going to be split fairly between the people who bankrupted themselves by fighting for ASCN on the front line? Sure, where would you like to pick up your reaper with full civilian fitting?
Dr CapitalShip Caldari Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.22 10:02:00 - [75] Edited by: Dr CapitalShip on 22/01/2007 09:59:09 Originally by: Weebear Originally by: Dr CapitalShip ASCN was great fun while it lasted. However, I will ask the question again. How are the Alliance assets going to be split fairly between the people who bankrupted themselves by fighting for ASCN on the front line? Sure, where would you like to pick up your reaper with full civilian fitting? If by reaper, you mean a few dozen plex funded revelations which strangely got missing, then please contract them to me, rather than sell them on the market But back to the point, none of the ex-ascn guys are going to get anything, this we all know, Its more a matter of name and shame than anything else
Weebear The Bowrey	Posted - 2007.01.22 10:05:00 - [76] Originally by: Dr CapitalShip Edited by: Dr CapitalShip on 22/01/2007 09:59:09 Originally by: Weebear Originally by: Dr CapitalShip ASCN was great fun while it lasted. However, I will ask the question again. How are the Alliance assets going to be split fairly between the people who bankrupted themselves by fighting for ASCN on the front line? Sure, where would you like to pick up your reaper with full civilian fitting? If by reaper, you mean a few dozen plex funded revelations which strangely got missing, then please contract them to me, rather than sell them on the market But back to the point, none of the ex-ascn guys are going to get anything, this we all know, Its more a matter of name and shame than anything else And yet you have named and shamed no one, as you have no facts!
Gyro DuAquin1 Tri Optimum Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.22 10:07:00 - [77] good luck guys, most of us sawn it coming to bad u didnt.
Dr CapitalShip Caldari Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.22 10:13:00 - [78] Originally by: Weebear Originally by: Dr CapitalShip Edited by: Dr CapitalShip on 22/01/2007 09:59:09 Originally by: Weebear Originally by: Dr CapitalShip ASCN was great fun while it lasted. However, I will ask the question again. How are the Alliance assets going to be split fairly between the people who bankrupted themselves by fighting for ASCN on the front line? Sure, where would you like to pick up your reaper with full civilian fitting? If by reaper, you mean a few dozen plex funded revelations which strangely got missing, then please contract them to me, rather than sell them on the market But back to the point, none of the ex-ascn guys are going to get anything, this we all know, Its more a matter of name and shame than anything else And yet you have named and shamed no one, as you have no facts! Now where shall we start then? Lets start with something that everyone knew about. the 10/10 plex funded Alliance Dreads, that was the official line. Where did the dreads go, since the ZYD plex in paragon were run twice daily and a half run inbetween. This ment nobody got a shot at it, but thats ok, because in the event of an invasion, all those lovely dreads would be coming out, funded by the alliance...... And no - virtually every dread fielded was either Corp or Personally funded - Not alliance funded. And not everyone that lost a dread got it replaced either! And the "it went on the Titan" exceuse does not count - The Titan mineral supply was collected over a year ago, before the plex became relevant and then again via refinery tax's more recently, which was enough to build another 2 titans according the CYVOK himself.
Weebear The Bowrey	Posted - 2007.01.22 10:45:00 - [79] Originally by: Dr CapitalShip Now where shall we start then? Lets start with something that everyone knew about. the 10/10 plex funded Alliance Dreads, that was the official line. Where did the dreads go, since the ZYD plex in paragon were run twice daily and a half run inbetween. This ment nobody got a shot at it, but thats ok, because in the event of an invasion, all those lovely dreads would be coming out, funded by the alliance...... And no - virtually every dread fielded was either Corp or Personally funded - Not alliance funded. And not everyone that lost a dread got it replaced either! And the "it went on the Titan" exceuse does not count - The Titan mineral supply was collected over a year ago, before the plex became relevant and then again via refinery tax's more recently, which was enough to build another 2 titans according the CYVOK himself. Just for one final laugh..... as a ball park figure, how much do you believe your fair share is?
Dr CapitalShip Caldari Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.22 10:51:00 - [80] Originally by: Weebear Originally by: Dr CapitalShip Now where shall we start then? Lets start with something that everyone knew about. the 10/10 plex funded Alliance Dreads, that was the official line. Where did the dreads go, since the ZYD plex in paragon were run twice daily and a half run inbetween. This ment nobody got a shot at it, but thats ok, because in the event of an invasion, all those lovely dreads would be coming out, funded by the alliance...... And no - virtually every dread fielded was either Corp or Personally funded - Not alliance funded. And not everyone that lost a dread got it replaced either! And the "it went on the Titan" exceuse does not count - The Titan mineral supply was collected over a year ago, before the plex became relevant and then again via refinery tax's more recently, which was enough to build another 2 titans according the CYVOK himself. Just for one final laugh..... as a ball park figure, how much do you believe your fair share is? The amount is irrelevent. I dont want any isk out of it. If there was any decency left, then insted of pocketing the remaining assets, just liqudate them and pay people on the ascn killboard that lost ships. The issue is not the value of embezelment, but rather the issue of accountability and reputation. That is worth more than any isk value. We have heard of corp theft but alliance theft is another game altogether
HatePeace LoveWar Amarr FATAL REVELATIONS FATAL Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.22 10:55:00 - [81] Gl boys. Just don't reform XETIC.
Omeega Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.22 11:11:00 - [82] Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar Gl boys. Just don't reform XETIC. Oh c'mon please do! Rasatan, MACTEP, Hassis, Thug and Rumata all want to refit those old school gankageddons and spread fear. And hell, I do to! Don't speak english. F1,f2,f3...
Laythun Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.22 11:25:00 - [83] Originally by: Omeega Originally by: HatePeace LoveWar Gl boys. Just don't reform XETIC. Oh c'mon please do! Rasatan, MACTEP, Hassis, Thug and Rumata all want to refit those old school gankageddons and spread fear. And hell, I do to! im sure i sent u a evemail, if not i need to talk to u my love CEI's own Undercover Brother [MIA] It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö
Weebear The Bowrey	Posted - 2007.01.22 11:32:00 - [84] Originally by: Dr CapitalShip The amount is irrelevent. I dont want any isk out of it. If there was any decency left, then insted of pocketing the remaining assets, just liqudate them and pay people on the ascn killboard that lost ships. The issue is not the value of embezelment, but rather the issue of accountability and reputation. That is worth more than any isk value. We have heard of corp theft but alliance theft is another game altogether OK well once you find evidence of this embezelment, and the names of the peoples/corps that carried it out, CLS lost 4 outposts, they funded entirely on their own please factor this in when dividing up those assets. Remember to deduct insurance payouts on those ships and the fact that in a lot of corps losing a BS was almost profitable at the prices they were available at. Or just move on and accept that there was nothing substantial left at an alliance level. If you can't let it go you will end up like one of those slavering trolls that keep thinking there were Xetic minerals that they were somehow due a share in. I doubt many corps can complain that they lost out from being in ASCN. I can think of 4 of the newer corps (WOT/ARSC/TBMC/SPECIES) that maybe didn't get everything they deserved out of ASCN but again I wouldn't like to think they lost out drastically.
Dr CapitalShip Caldari Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.22 11:45:00 - [85] Originally by: Weebear Originally by: Dr CapitalShip The amount is irrelevent. I dont want any isk out of it. If there was any decency left, then insted of pocketing the remaining assets, just liqudate them and pay people on the ascn killboard that lost ships. The issue is not the value of embezelment, but rather the issue of accountability and reputation. That is worth more than any isk value. We have heard of corp theft but alliance theft is another game altogether OK well once you find evidence of this embezelment, and the names of the peoples/corps that carried it out, CLS lost 4 outposts, they funded entirely on their own please factor this in when dividing up those assets. Remember to deduct insurance payouts on those ships and the fact that in a lot of corps losing a BS was almost profitable at the prices they were available at. Or just move on and accept that there was nothing substantial left at an alliance level. If you can't let it go you will end up like one of those slavering trolls that keep thinking there were Xetic minerals that they were somehow due a share in. I doubt many corps can complain that they lost out from being in ASCN. I can think of 4 of the newer corps (WOT/ARSC/TBMC/SPECIES) that maybe didn't get everything they deserved out of ASCN but again I wouldn't like to think they lost out drastically. So what you are saying is that ASCN either has 1. No Assets, despite being a industrial powerhouse the like of which eve has never seen, despite only sending out a fraction of its assets to the battlefield? 2. No Accountability for the above? Again - I dont expect anything nor would I wish a single isk while people lost everything they earned being meatshields need it more. The truth is - There is no accountibility, nor any recognition of compensating the meatshilds that were in the front line every day. All the assets that the ordernary man works their ass out for are in the pockets of the few. You see, if you rob a corps hangers, then you are a corp theif, lowest of the low. But if you rob Alliance Assets, and pocket them as a individual or as a corp, that deserves no respect.
Weebear The Bowrey	Posted - 2007.01.22 12:13:00 - [86] Edited by: Weebear on 22/01/2007 12:10:15 Originally by: Dr CapitalShip So what you are saying is that ASCN either has 1. No Assets, despite being a industrial powerhouse the like of which eve has never seen, despite only sending out a fraction of its assets to the battlefield? 2. No Accountability for the above? Again - I dont expect anything nor would I wish a single isk while people lost everything they earned being meatshields need it more. The truth is - There is no accountibility, nor any recognition of compensating the meatshilds that were in the front line every day. All the assets that the ordernary man works their ass out for are in the pockets of the few. You see, if you rob a corps hangers, then you are a corp theif, lowest of the low. But if you rob Alliance Assets, and pocket them as a individual or as a corp, that deserves no respect. 1. Not at an alliance level. Individual corps in ASCN were industrial powerhouses, and this was due to their own assets, not anything that was funded by the alliance. Fly through Feythabolis again some time. The alliance assets are still there. They just have different banners and you can't dock at them now. 2. Wish the civis site was still up, that way I could just link to the post about what is expected of corps that joined ASCN. Again, if you present some evidence of someone who lost everything, or a corp or person who ripped everyone in the alliance off then I'll join you in not respecting them or feeling sorry for them but just now you are making baseless accusations against anonymous persons
Dr CapitalShip Caldari Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.22 12:33:00 - [87] Edited by: Dr CapitalShip on 22/01/2007 12:32:53 Originally by: Weebear Again, if you present some evidence of someone who lost everything, or a corp or person who ripped everyone in the alliance off then I'll join you in not respecting them or feeling sorry for them but just now you are making baseless accusations against anonymous persons Thank you. If you need to see people who lost everything, then please refer to the killboards. Pay attention to the capital ships lost and how many got replaced by the alliance (not the corp - the alliance). Without naming names, there are people given up on expecting anything back for their personally funded capital ships used in alliance ops. But back in point, lets look at the 10/10 Plex in ZYDA. It was run twice daily, with a half run inbetween every day for almost 9 months. Thats enough isk to pay for 150-200 dreads. Lets just say 100 dreads worth of isk for sake of argument, assuming the plex droped basically nogning good for 9 months. Everyone was told it was for purely funding alliance dreads. So my question is, where is the accountability since it appears that there alliance funded dreads either did not exist, or were built and pocketed. And like I said, the Titan minerals was done over a year ago, and then on top of this, according to CYVOK, there was enough minerals for 2 titans in refinery taxes. So the plex for sure did not fund any Titan project. (though we know where 1 Titan's worth of minerals went, not so sure about what happened to the other 2 titan minerals worth) Again - I dont want a single isk - If ASCN calls other people slaves, then it is only fitting that this issue gets out into the open, and things that the alliance benifited as a whole should not be pocketed by the few.
Roaden Minmatar Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2007.01.22 12:55:00 - [88] GL ahead guys
Ben Sterlinger Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2007.01.22 13:01:00 - [89] It was a blast... sigh Agent Runners Department [url=http://profile.xfire.com/sterlinger]
Athelas Loraiel	Posted - 2007.01.22 15:31:00 - [90] Had a great time. Learned a lot. Now, I just have to use it. Thank you all friends for fun we had. See you in Eve!

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