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aldhura Bartledannians Nite Owls 26	Posted - 2016.01.11 17:15:58 - [61] - Quote Anize Oramara wrote: [ Looks at my sig... um sure, I'll get right on that... . Prove it, ie show me a 1hr video, or it didn't happen. So now your vague statement of the best ship changes as you whole page talks about blitzing. Every ship in eve has its purpose. Yours may do missions quicker, but doesn't mean you can make a blanket statement that murauders are not the best. I made the statement that my Golem will run ALL missions better than a pirate ship, you have yet to prove otherwise. If the OP had said he wants to blitz missions I would not have made the statement. Bartledannians Corporation is recruiting Nite Owls Alliance is recruiting
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 975	Posted - 2016.01.11 18:21:08 - [62] - Quote All I know is I have used a Golem with RHML and XL-ASBs to great effect in level 5 missions.
Chainsaw Plankton Signal Cartel EvE-Scout Enclave 2273	Posted - 2016.01.11 22:12:14 - [63] - Quote conflag paladin is a beast, scorch... not so much. IN multi (and I'm pretty sure gamma) out damages scorch. However scorch has a tracking advantage, but I'm not sure how much that plays into things. most frigs/dessy get one shot, and most cruisers get 2 shot anyways. Also with the paladin the damage type isn't that bad. works pretty well in amarr and caldari space. not sure about gallente. and I would avoid minmatar. Most of the gurista missions aren't a problem as they have blitzes. I'm not going to suggest you use a paladin for them but it can work reasonably well. I've said in the past paladin + machariel is probably my favorite pair of mission bs. my armor marauders typically run a damage control, EANM, and c-type medium rep. not sure the range nerfs on polarized weapons make them very useful. but I haven't tried them. the few missions where I think I would want to try them I'm thinking the mach is just better thanks to the warp speed + agility. Kronos yea I like it, but for the most part I feel that its damage advantage isn't really any better than the machs speed advantage. vargur I'm pretty meh about. mach does more damage and goes way faster. Vargur tanks more. not very useful most of the time. aldhura wrote: Anize Oramara wrote: [ Looks at my sig... um sure, I'll get right on that... . Prove it, ie show me a 1hr video, or it didn't happen. So now your vague statement of the best ship changes as you whole page talks about blitzing. Every ship in eve has its purpose. Yours may do missions quicker, but doesn't mean you can make a blanket statement that murauders are not the best. I made the statement that my Golem will run ALL missions better than a pirate ship, you have yet to prove otherwise. If the OP had said he wants to blitz missions I would not have made the statement. in eve being a jack of all trades is usually not the right move. flying a golem is as far as I'm concerned almost never the right move. and "all missions" is a pretty ridiculous thing to argue over. Have fun using your golem in recon, or the anomaly. (insert joke about mining and courier missions) Sure the golem has the best damage type selection ability, but has way to many disadvantages imo. delayed damage, damage application, target painters, slot layout. meh @ChainsawPlankto
Leila Meurtrier Why Am I Not Surprised 90	Posted - 2016.01.11 23:06:34 - [64] - Quote aldhura wrote: So now your vague statement of the best ship changes as you whole page talks about blitzing. I made the statement that my Golem will run ALL missions better than a pirate ship, you have yet to prove otherwise. If the OP had said he wants to blitz missions I would not have made the statement. To be righteous, you should actually prove your statement first. Also, in case of missions, faster = better since not full clearing mission does not change things. Also, your statement is just vague statement. Chainsaw, Ahize and Arthur spent quite some time with their own threads, spreadsheets, extensive practicing and thinking out of the box in general.
Hasikan Miallok Republic University Minmatar Republic 1833	Posted - 2016.01.11 23:15:48 - [65] - Quote So basically we are now arguing about whether the Golem is overpowered and needs nerfing ???
Anize Oramara The Arch Dashing Dashers 728	Posted - 2016.01.11 23:48:21 - [66] - Quote Hasikan Miallok wrote: So basically we are now arguing about whether the Golem is overpowered and needs nerfing ??? I don't think any of us are drunk enough for that A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.07
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 296	Posted - 2016.01.12 11:34:43 - [67] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: If you're blitzing, Machariel or Barghest. If you're looking to clear everything - one of the Polarized Marauder variants or a Rattlesnake. For shoot and loot it doesn't really matter which Marauder you use - only that it is a Marauder. Polarized Marauders is bad advice. Why are you giving bad advice in your thread Arthur?
Ria Nieyli 38322	Posted - 2016.01.12 11:40:28 - [68] - Quote Chainsaw Plankton wrote: conflag paladin is a beast, scorch... not so much. IN multi (and I'm pretty sure gamma) out damages scorch. However scorch has a tracking advantage, but I'm not sure how much that plays into things. most frigs/dessy get one shot, and most cruisers get 2 shot anyways. Scorch lowers your tracking speed by 25%.
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 296	Posted - 2016.01.12 11:44:23 - [69] - Quote Anize Oramara wrote: Estella Osoka wrote: I personally don't understand why people use cruise or torps on a Golem when RHML seems the best to me. The long reloads is a really big gut punch for sustained dps (even if the application is a lot better) and means that realistically RHML using fury ammo and Cruise using Faction ammo has near identical sustained dps and similar application. End of the day it's a case of 6 of one and half dozen of the other. On a side note, not all effective launchers are created equal. A typhoon for example, with it's rof bonus rather than damage bonus would be slightly worse off using RHML than a damage bonussed hull would be. It's a good rule of thumb on weather or not to use Cruise vs RHML. Range is of course also a consideration on non bonussed hulls. This is why the Barghest makes such a great RHML platform. For unknown reasons, people seem to frown on folks that uses the Barghests for PVE. But seriously how well can a RHML Barghest do Lev 4 full clear compared to a Cruise Golem?
Anize Oramara The Arch Dashing Dashers 729	Posted - 2016.01.12 14:38:02 - [70] - Quote The recent minor buff to the Barghest has really made it a great platform so it's possible some people are still a bit behind on the changes. A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.07

Anize Oramara The Arch Dashing Dashers 729	Posted - 2016.01.12 14:42:50 - [71] - Quote Daniela Doran wrote: Arthur Aihaken wrote: If you're blitzing, Machariel or Barghest. If you're looking to clear everything - one of the Polarized Marauder variants or a Rattlesnake. For shoot and loot it doesn't really matter which Marauder you use - only that it is a Marauder. Polarized Marauders is bad advice. Why are you giving bad advice in your thread Arthur? Marauders are the only platform I'd run Polarized weapon on ever really (Short of the odd safe tower bash in a Vindi) So it's the best advice to give, once the pilot is comfortable with the ship of course. A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.07
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 977	Posted - 2016.01.12 16:08:49 - [72] - Quote Some people don't realize that gank is tank.
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 296	Posted - 2016.01.12 18:17:40 - [73] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: Some people don't realize that gank is tank. I'm starting to get that as I recently discovered with the increase clearing speed with the Paladins when I added a 4th heatsink and dropping the tank from 1180 down to 830 dps. But using Polarized weapons on Marauders is just begging for gankers to add you to their watchlist with 5 Catalysts on standby. I just can't fathom why anyone would want to take such a risk. Btw: could you post your Lev 5 Golem fit please?
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 978	Posted - 2016.01.12 19:18:29 - [74] - Quote Daniela Doran wrote: Estella Osoka wrote: Some people don't realize that gank is tank. I'm starting to get that as I recently discovered with the increase clearing speed with the Paladins when I added a 4th heatsink and dropping the tank from 1180 down to 830 dps. But using Polarized weapons on Marauders is just begging for gankers to add you to their watchlist with 5 Catalysts on standby. I just can't fathom why anyone would want to take such a risk. Btw: could you post your Lev 5 Golem fit please? It is a tight fit, and I'm sure can be improved upon. It isn't as fast as a pair of Domis remote repping, or a Carrier. Remember, you can always travel fit it when moving, and then take along a mobile depot to refit at the mission system. [Golem, L5] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Large Micro Jump Drive X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400 X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400 Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender Domination Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Domination Thermal Dissipation Amplifier Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Bastion Module I Heavy Infectious Scoped Energy Neutralizer Heavy Infectious Scoped Energy Neutralizer [Empty High slot] Large Processor Overclocking Unit I Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Genolution Core Augmentation CA-1 Genolution Core Augmentation CA-4 Genolution Core Augmentation CA-3 Genolution Core Augmentation CA-2 Zainou 'Gypsy' CPU Management EE-605 Zainou 'Snapshot' Heavy Missiles HM-705 Zainou 'Deadeye' Rapid Launch RL-1005
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 297	Posted - 2016.01.13 11:04:06 - [75] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: Daniela Doran wrote: Estella Osoka wrote: Some people don't realize that gank is tank. I'm starting to get that as I recently discovered with the increase clearing speed with the Paladins when I added a 4th heatsink and dropping the tank from 1180 down to 830 dps. But using Polarized weapons on Marauders is just begging for gankers to add you to their watchlist with 5 Catalysts on standby. I just can't fathom why anyone would want to take such a risk. Btw: could you post your Lev 5 Golem fit please? It is a tight fit, and I'm sure can be improved upon. It isn't as fast as a pair of Domis remote repping, or a Carrier. Remember, you can always travel fit it when moving, and then take along a mobile depot to refit at the mission system. [Golem, L5] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Large Micro Jump Drive X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400 X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400 Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender Domination Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Domination Thermal Dissipation Amplifier Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Bastion Module I Heavy Infectious Scoped Energy Neutralizer Heavy Infectious Scoped Energy Neutralizer [Empty High slot] Large Processor Overclocking Unit I Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Genolution Core Augmentation CA-1 Genolution Core Augmentation CA-4 Genolution Core Augmentation CA-3 Genolution Core Augmentation CA-2 Zainou 'Gypsy' CPU Management EE-605 Zainou 'Snapshot' Heavy Missiles HM-705 Zainou 'Deadeye' Rapid Launch RL-1005 Are you doing lev 5s in this Golem solo? How efficiently can this Golem do lev 5s? Why RHML instead of Cruise? And those heavy neuts are to ward off potential gankers? Can dual Passive tanked Rattlers with 1.3k passive tank doing 840 dps each do lev 5s?
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 978	Posted - 2016.01.13 15:52:35 - [76] - Quote Daniela Doran wrote: Estella Osoka wrote: Daniela Doran wrote: Estella Osoka wrote: Some people don't realize that gank is tank. I'm starting to get that as I recently discovered with the increase clearing speed with the Paladins when I added a 4th heatsink and dropping the tank from 1180 down to 830 dps. But using Polarized weapons on Marauders is just begging for gankers to add you to their watchlist with 5 Catalysts on standby. I just can't fathom why anyone would want to take such a risk. Btw: could you post your Lev 5 Golem fit please? It is a tight fit, and I'm sure can be improved upon. It isn't as fast as a pair of Domis remote repping, or a Carrier. Remember, you can always travel fit it when moving, and then take along a mobile depot to refit at the mission system. [Golem, L5] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Damage Control II Large Micro Jump Drive X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400 X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 400 Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender Large F-S9 Regolith Compact Shield Extender Domination Kinetic Deflection Amplifier Domination Thermal Dissipation Amplifier Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Rapid Heavy Missile Launcher II, Scourge Fury Heavy Missile Bastion Module I Heavy Infectious Scoped Energy Neutralizer Heavy Infectious Scoped Energy Neutralizer [Empty High slot] Large Processor Overclocking Unit I Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Genolution Core Augmentation CA-1 Genolution Core Augmentation CA-4 Genolution Core Augmentation CA-3 Genolution Core Augmentation CA-2 Zainou 'Gypsy' CPU Management EE-605 Zainou 'Snapshot' Heavy Missiles HM-705 Zainou 'Deadeye' Rapid Launch RL-1005 Are you doing lev 5s in this Golem solo? How efficiently can this Golem do lev 5s? Why RHML instead of Cruise? And those heavy neuts are to ward off potential gankers? Can dual Passive tanked Rattlers with 1.3k passive tank doing 840 dps each do lev 5s? Yes, this is solo. Neuts are for potential baddies invading the mission. RHML because it applies damage better to smaller targets. Especially the kind that invade your mission. I've never tried dual Rattlers for an L5, but I assume they can work just as well as a pair of RR Domis. Problem might be if one particular Rattler gets primaried over the other.
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 1282	Posted - 2016.01.14 01:33:38 - [77] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: There are very few missions where you can effectively utilize blasters to their full potential. At 60km you're going to be losing anything gained over 425mm railguns. Zero missions have every foe at 60km. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á
Anize Oramara The Arch Dashing Dashers 732	Posted - 2016.01.14 02:13:05 - [78] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: Arthur Aihaken wrote: There are very few missions where you can effectively utilize blasters to their full potential. At 60km you're going to be losing anything gained over 425mm railguns. Zero missions have every foe at 60km. Not true, but they are rare. A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.07
Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 4937	Posted - 2016.01.15 16:58:41 - [79] - Quote I've been playing around with a Kronos blaster fit and it's quite a riot. You can pretty much hit even frigates out to around 80km and it melts anything within 40km. 1800 applied DPS is nothing to laugh at... I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Estella Osoka Perkone Caldari State 986	Posted - 2016.01.15 20:00:15 - [80] - Quote Arthur Aihaken wrote: I've been playing around with a Kronos blaster fit and it's quite a riot. You can pretty much hit even frigates out to around 80km and it melts anything within 40km. 1800 applied DPS is nothing to laugh at... Told ya so!

Arthur Aihaken CODE.d 4941	Posted - 2016.01.16 05:07:20 - [81] - Quote Estella Osoka wrote: Told ya so! That you did. It still sucks against Angels, but those more missions crop up infrequently enough to skip. I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 1283	Posted - 2016.01.21 04:00:34 - [82] - Quote [Kronos, Cipher Jones's Kronos] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Large Micro Jump Drive Domination 500MN Microwarpdrive Tracking Computer II Tracking Computer II Neutron Blaster Cannon II Neutron Blaster Cannon II Neutron Blaster Cannon II Neutron Blaster Cannon II Bastion Module I Small Tractor Beam II Salvager II Drone Link Augmentor I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Hybrid Burst Aerator I Hobgoblin II x8 Salvage Drone I x7 Bouncer II x2 Void L x2696 Tracking Speed Script x2 Null L x2676 Optimal Range Script x3 This thread Inspired this fit; just ran Pirate Invasion (Angels) for 77 mil an hour @ 1432 ISK/LP. Not as good as a Vargur but better than my Machariel/Noctis. You really just gotta watch ranges and switch accordingly, and actively loot/salvage as you go. It freaking SHREDS Serpentis obviously. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á
Tarojan Tarojan Corporation 204	Posted - 2016.01.21 11:31:49 - [83] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: [Kronos, Cipher Jones's Kronos] Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II Centus X-Type Large Armor Repairer Large Micro Jump Drive Domination 500MN Microwarpdrive Tracking Computer II Tracking Computer II Neutron Blaster Cannon II Neutron Blaster Cannon II Neutron Blaster Cannon II Neutron Blaster Cannon II Bastion Module I Small Tractor Beam II Salvager II Drone Link Augmentor I Large Capacitor Control Circuit I Large Hybrid Burst Aerator I Hobgoblin II x8 Salvage Drone I x7 Bouncer II x2 Void L x2696 Tracking Speed Script x2 Null L x2676 Optimal Range Script x3 This thread Inspired this fit; just ran Pirate Invasion (Angels) for 77 mil an hour @ 1432 ISK/LP. Not as good as a Vargur but better than my Machariel/Noctis. You really just gotta watch ranges and switch accordingly, and actively loot/salvage as you go. It freaking SHREDS Serpentis obviously. Makes me want to try it out. I'm pretty far off the train for it though. why t1 rigs? Will gank for food
Dom Arkaral Axios 19	Posted - 2016.01.21 17:14:47 - [84] - Quote Leila Meurtrier wrote: Tank marauders provide is absolutely excessive anyway. The only marauder that could have troubles with capacitor in general is Paladin... if it used 8 turrets, not 4 with 100% bonus Paladin locked in EM/Thermal, yeah, but your shots on paladin is "penetrating" at least 99.9% of time. Drone dps is nice to have, but why care about it that much if anything melts with speed of acquiring locks already? Also, I don't see many reasons to carry many variations. The only real trouble is spider drones, running at 3km/s to you, then maintaining good speed on the orbit. Lights are best drones for the task of taking these down (Although you shouldn't let them get to you in the first place) while sentries is the only sensible assist for long range action. Oh, coolest SKIN? Great, but Paladin looks cool even without skin. And you may slap edgy Blood Raider one. Blooooddd +1 Merc. Tear Gatherer. Quebecker I have no Honer (truly) Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche! Ich bin krank! (I don't speak German don't bother)
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 1284	Posted - 2016.01.21 18:22:32 - [85] - Quote Quote: Makes me want to try it out. I'm pretty far off the train for it though. why t1 rigs? Money. Bought 2 marauders today (Golem died). Thats also why no faction Magnetic stabs. Not much performance difference at all. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á
IIshira School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 1324	Posted - 2016.01.21 18:29:04 - [86] - Quote Cipher Jones wrote: Quote: Makes me want to try it out. I'm pretty far off the train for it though. why t1 rigs? Money. Bought 2 marauders today (Golem died). Thats also why no faction Magnetic stabs. Not much performance difference at all. I hope you're not losing them in missions... It's possible but only if you DC or make a bad mistake
Cipher Jones The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars 1284	Posted - 2016.01.21 22:44:09 - [87] - Quote IIshira wrote: Cipher Jones wrote: Quote: Makes me want to try it out. I'm pretty far off the train for it though. why t1 rigs? Money. Bought 2 marauders today (Golem died). Thats also why no faction Magnetic stabs. Not much performance difference at all. I hope you're not losing them in missions... It's possible but only if you DC or make a bad mistake I lost one Golem and replaced it with a Kronos and new Golem, not lost 2. Never fly what you can't afford to lose and all. Accounts may not be used for business purposes. Access to the System and playing EVE is intended for your personal entertainment, enjoyment and recreation, and not for corporate, business, commercial or income-seeking activities.-á
Altair Taurus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2016.01.29 13:56:22 - [88] - Quote So ten injectors and...Golem or Vargur?
Daniela Doran Ministry of War Amarr Empire 433	Posted - 2016.01.29 15:02:01 - [89] - Quote Altair Taurus wrote: So ten injectors and...Golem or Vargur? And so it begans. The fall of Eve.
Altair Taurus Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation 37	Posted - 2016.01.29 15:22:31 - [90] - Quote Nope! Great CCP business model begins!



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