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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2016.01.11 16:00:44 -
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King Aires wrote:Tippia wrote:Jace Varus wrote:Go to the beta map in-game, and turn to the average number of pilots in space in the last 30 minutes. There you go. Just one problem GÇö in fact, the exact same problem as with all those inane claims: it doesn't display players. The mythical majority is just that: a myth, at best born out of bad maths, at worst born out of sheer ignorance and wishful thinking. CCP tells us there is 1.5 accounts per person on average. So we can take the population of High-Sec and halve it to come up with the representative average of players who are at least "High-Sec". Therefore, there is still more high-sec than null. And the CSM is overwhelmingly weighted towards CFC bought trolls.
I have two accounts active at the moment. One of my characters rarely enters high sec. The other 5 almost never leave high sec.
I am certainly not a ******* "high sec player".
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2016.01.11 20:25:48 -
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Also, regarding the imaginary "high sec majority": Why is it assumed the interests of this group would be shared?
Even when I could be reasonably said to "live" in high sec, I really doubt what I wanted to see happen to high sec even remotely mirrored the positions of whatever this "high sec majority" is believed to want.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2016.01.11 20:53:03 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Also, regarding the imaginary "high sec majority": Why is it assumed the interests of this group would be shared? Why? I thought it was obvious. Because the people claiming injustice on behalf of all high sec need those interests to be shared. That way the people who self-proclaim themselves spokespersons for high sec can continue to believe they have a leg to stand on. I mean, if those beliefs aren't shared, if the high sec majority doesn't exist but instead is a collection of alts of non-high sec players combined with masses os solo/casual players that honestly either don't give a damn or do care but not in the way they like, well then that would mean that what these GD high sec posters is saying is absolute...erm, um, what's the British slang word I'm looking for...oh yea... BOLLOCKS.
Bit problematic, eh?
I really would like one of the self-appointed representatives of the "high sec majority" to lay out a brief list of their assorted action-items.
I'm... curious.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2016.01.11 23:59:40 -
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Saisin wrote:Joe Risalo wrote:Saisin wrote:For every toon in the CFC it is likely that there is another toon of the same player in another area of space, be it High Sec, WH, Low sec, ...
So saying that any null sec bloc can't represent the rest of the game is very likely to be incorrect.
The only way to know who represents what is to get rid of the anonymity of alts, and have them linked publicly. As far as I know only one candidate is pushing this (see my sig).
So what about having CCP publish the names of all the alts of all candidates that will choose to formally apply for CSM this year? This way we all would have a clear view of what each player behind their public alt truly stands for. This does you no good, as alt accounts are not factored. It would not only be uncouth of CCP to show accounts shared by a single individual, but also likely illegal, as it essentially means they're publicly sharing the purchase history of a single individual. It would do good, as each player's experience in Eve is the sum of all his alts's experience. It would not be illegal if the CSM application was mofified in such a way that allowed CCP to disclose all the alts of the candidate would be included as a condition to run. Then each player would make their choice to run or not under these rules, and each voter could really see who they are voting for.
How divorced from any sort of realistic perspective do you actually have to be to think that internet spaceship video-game politicians owe you a single scrap of their PII?
I'm pretty sure this is why they invented aerosol bitterant.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2016.01.12 07:24:44 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:(Nonsense). Again, it is simple: Within the scope of the entire EVE population, the CFC is a minority and they are controlling 75% of the votes. Type out as much fluff as you like but it is obvious that something is broken and people are not informed that the CSM exists and or what it does.
So what you're saying is...
Grr, goons.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2016.01.12 16:44:52 -
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Joe Risalo wrote:How in the hell do I even find out who's running, what their premise is, and how to vote?
This is the kind of crap that CCP should be telling the players because a very large portion of us have no clue.. Myself included.
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/csm11-elections/
Maybe if you weren't so busy being deliberately obtuse?
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2016.01.12 20:07:21 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:... - so you might also want to justify a 75% of the votes claim. ... Go find their list of who they were all told to vote for.
"Go find all of my supporting evidence for me."
Link or GTFO, tbh.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2016.01.12 20:19:32 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:... Link or GTFO, tbh. I am in a fleet. One of those weird people who actually play.
So you have time to write long-winded "Grr, goons" soliloquies, but are too busy to support any of it?
That's convenient.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2016.01.12 20:36:31 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:So you have time to write long-winded "Grr, goons" soliloquies, but are too busy to support any of it? That's convenient. Fleet form up. Heard of it? Edit: Anyway, enough of you for now. Seems like trolling to get a thread locked.
Sure. It's utter bollocks, though, given that you clearly have time to come here and post limp-wristed excuses.
If you were actually too busy, you would skip the part where you tell us you're simply far too busy doing important internet spaceship things and then just come back with your evidence later.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2016.01.13 00:20:13 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:
So in an STV voting system, the Goons, who allegedly control 75% of the votes, provided an ordered list of whom to vote for, and we only have to go 5 people down on that list to find someone who wasn't elected.
I am forced to ask: Do you know how STV works?
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2016.01.13 01:35:14 -
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King Aires wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote: So in an STV voting system, the Goons, who allegedly control 75% of the votes, provided an ordered list of whom to vote for, and we only have to go 5 people down on that list to find someone who wasn't elected. I am forced to ask: Do you know how STV works? I think it would be easier to count the people on that list who weren't elected... then ask yourself how silly what you just said really was. Actually it makes me have even less faith in the CSM now that I read that list.
Yes, that might make sense, if you don't understand how STV works. You should probably read up on it. Be a doll and livestream yourself while doing so, it would be nice if we could all catch the, "Ah, ****" face you're likely to make when you realize what the problem is.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2016.01.13 23:17:01 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Back on track:
My experience of crossing High Sec multiple times and talking to people was that they didn't know the CSM existed nor what it does.
That is what is relevant.
Your anecdote is what is relevant?
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2016.01.14 01:22:06 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Back on track: My experience of crossing High Sec multiple times and talking to people was that they didn't know the CSM existed nor what it does. That is what is relevant. Your anecdote is what is relevant? ... and you have done what exactly?
Illustrated that you are incapable of factually supporting your claims.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2016.01.14 20:31:13 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Illustrated that you are incapable of factually supporting your claims. So nothing but hot air that is against all EVE players knowing about CSM ...? Well ... whose interests does that serve? You look a bit of a git at the moment.
You made an assertion.
I asked you to support that assertion.
You posted "evidence" that conclusively disproved your assertion.
You then said that the evidence doesn't matter, only your anecdotal tale of high-sec political missionary work does.
How do you imagine that I have, in any way, argued against "All Eve players knowing about the CSM?"
My problem is that you're making things up and expecting them to be regarded as fact, even when you are provably lying.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2016.01.19 00:14:13 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:.. After your 75% lie, I'm going to ask for a source on that. ... More fool me. I believe it. I know accounts have been PLEX'ed in advance ready to vote also. (Yours is likely one of those) As for sources, you can wait until the cows come home or you can actually do some digging. I high-lighted it last year.
This is the Eve version of "study it out" and "unskewed polls" right?
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2016.01.19 07:11:15 -
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Maldiro Selkurk wrote:Tippia wrote:Jace Varus wrote:Go to the beta map in-game, and turn to the average number of pilots in space in the last 30 minutes. There you go. Just one problem GÇö in fact, the exact same problem as with all those inane claims: it doesn't display players. The mythical majority is just that: a myth, at best born out of bad maths, at worst born out of sheer ignorance and wishful thinking. So the vast majority of players are docked up or in a wormhole ? Ive seen you toss this trash about before, it runs counter to anything remotely reasonable given the facts presented by the game itself and it makes you look desperate and silly.
Players != characters.
I have 6 characters, all of which I use to some degree or another. 5 of them basically never leave high sec. One of them basically never enters high sec.
If you're pretending that all of my characters are a player, well, gosh, 5/6 players live in high sec!
Except, no. 5/6 "players", in this case, are station-sitting alts because characters are not players.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2016.01.19 19:29:19 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:In the system we trust. In the system we have no doubts. The system is clearly perfect.
Did you have an argument to make, or have you just been reduced to shrilly complaining about THE SYSTEM for no articulable reason at this point?
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2016.01.19 19:40:43 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Did you have an argument to make, or have you just been reduced to shrilly complaining about THE SYSTEM for no articulable reason at this point? Have you actually done anything or presented anything concrete yet to disprove anything that I have said? Your opinion doesn't amount to much.
I am presenting this quote as concrete evidence that you do not understand how burden of proof functions.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2016.01.19 19:48:09 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:Did you have an argument to make, or have you just been reduced to shrilly complaining about THE SYSTEM for no articulable reason at this point? Have you actually done anything or presented anything concrete yet to disprove anything that I have said? Your opinion doesn't amount to much. I am presenting this quote as concrete evidence that you do not understand how burden of proof functions. I am presenting this quote as a deflection of a question. I stand upon something. The results of the elections and the CSM candidates supported by Goons. You stand upon your opinion and nothing else.
Well, no, I stand upon the mathematical reality of STV when coupled with an ordered list, which conclusively proves your claim false.
Meanwhile, you're just making things up.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2016.01.19 20:14:47 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:SurrenderMonkey wrote:... I stand upon the mathematical reality of STV .... You stand on the belief that the system can't be gamed.
And why wouldn't I? It is not as if anyone has suggested a compelling, factually supported argument that it has been gamed, or even can be meaningfully gamed.
Right now you're just some quack screaming about chemtrails and WiFi sickness.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2016.01.19 23:27:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Is this guy still clinging to the "if they only knew me they'd elect me/listen to my idea and share them" idea?
CCP please make a pop up telling people ingame about the CSM. I want to see this mental house of cards crash and burn in my lifetime.
Dean Chambers was only wrong because he didn't consider voter fraud.
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2016.01.20 00:25:55 -
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Er... you know when you say, "Win or lose, I'm not going to run again," when it is apparent to everyone that you will not even enter the same zipcode as "winning" that we all understand it's just a bunch of face saving nonsense, right?
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SurrenderMonkey
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Posted - 2016.01.24 17:08:26 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:... how am I to be sure that it's not something you made up entirely? ... Go and investigate instead of being one of those brats that runs around screaming, "Liar! Liar! Pants on fire!" DO.You won't trust anything that doesn't fit what you believe until you go and do; experience things first hand.
Have you considered that people respond to you with, "Liar liar pants on fire," because you've made a habit of presenting spurious claims based on data that is anecdotal at best, and, at worst, in opposition to those claims?
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