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Fox Starrunner Caldari Caldari Navy Support	Posted - 2007.01.22 22:03:00 - [1] Many scams have been and currently are up on the contracts system, heck just go search for any mineral and you'll see one trit for sale for 5bil isk labeled as a sale for 2bil...okay maybe not THAT bad, but they're pretty outrageous. Thus I've thought of something that may help...I'm not sure if anyone has suggested it, I've looked, but here goes and if someone has, I'll recind my suggestion and yeild to whomever suggested it first. A Contract is much like a door to door salesmen, he comes, sells you a $1000 vaccume cleaner, and it breaks two days later...okay, what can you do about it? Well you can inform your local newspaper and thus "Local Scam" headlines. Or write a review about the company he worked for. So in short here's my suggestion: Players should be allowed to make very brief comments on a seller, much like say e-bay. He would have feedback, saying if he's a scammer, or if he's a good seller. Thus when you check a contract, a notification "Would you like to check X______ (insert name) feedback? Playerswould link the contracts they thought we're scams in the feedback. I.E. "X Scams! x___ link to contract" Also it works both ways, the seller would be able to disput the claims in his own feedback "Whining, blah blah blah, sold X to Y and Y is happy about X" ...however if enough people are complaining...duh! I know it's not hard to notice "ROKH BPO FOR SALE 800m 50ME 50PE(BETTER THAN MARKET!!!!!11oneoneone)" and you look at the contract and it's a copy...but...some type of feedback system may help long term contract sellers protect themselves, as well as protect the buyers... Just a suggestion Whine, call me names, whatever...just an idea, don't set me on fire because of a suggestion! and as I said, if anyone suggested this first...I erase this post, and yield to them Fox Starrunner ******* Peace may bring stability...but it is not near as fun as war!
Killshot DeathBunny	Posted - 2007.01.22 22:09:00 - [2] I was thinking this exact thing... /signed
Bozmech	Posted - 2007.01.22 22:37:00 - [3] Yes This Contract thing STINKS! It is not very clear and is in my book a way of CHEATING! which is i believe in breach of the EULA! It needs changing and fast! Ive lost 48 million isk to these scams where if it was an auction the thing would be removed and the bidder compensated due to misleading advert So take note DEVS... I`m not paying real money to play the game to be ripped off in game. 48 million isk game mone or $131.40 real money ??? which you prefer to lose? Because until this sort of crap is stamped out i` am suspending my account forthwith
Fox Starrunner Caldari Caldari Navy Support	Posted - 2007.01.22 22:41:00 - [4] Edited by: Fox Starrunner on 22/01/2007 22:42:14 Originally by: Bozmech Yes This Contract thing STINKS! It is not very clear and is in my book a way of CHEATING! which is i believe in breach of the EULA! It needs changing and fast! Ive lost 48 million isk to these scams where if it was an auction the thing would be removed and the bidder compensated due to misleading advert So take note DEVS... I`m not paying real money to play the game to be ripped off in game. 48 million isk game mone or $131.40 real money ??? which you prefer to lose? Because until this sort of crap is stamped out i` am suspending my account forthwith I regret to hear about your frustration, and your loss of ISK do to these scams, thus the reason I am suggesting a feedback system. However I didn't do this to 'blame the devs'...it's not really their fault... ******* Peace may bring stability...but it is not near as fun as war!
Leroot	Posted - 2007.01.23 01:43:00 - [5] "Cheating" as you call it, in this form is not against the EULA. Using the client for any purpose or in any way other than intended by CCP is against the EULA. Working within the system to pull off legitimate "scams" on unsuspecting users is completely legal. It's part of the EVE universe - If you aren't careful you get blown to hell by a pirate in a BS for no reason other than that he wants the satisfaction of watching your pod go pop. In the same way, if you aren't vigilant in your economic dealings, you get scammed by someone who's clever enough to use the obscurities and idiosyncrasies of the system. Basically, asking for a scam-proof contracts system is like asking for a god-mode button. You have to take risks for gain, in the market or out in space.
Fox Starrunner Caldari Caldari Navy Support	Posted - 2007.01.23 02:23:00 - [6] Originally by: Leroot "Cheating" as you call it, in this form is not against the EULA. Using the client for any purpose or in any way other than intended by CCP is against the EULA... Basically, asking for a scam-proof contracts system is like asking for a god-mode button. You have to take risks for gain, in the market or out in space. If you read, I didn't call it cheating, so please quote the right person. I also did not ask for a god-mode button, it's a simple market strategy, you get scammed, your not going to tell as many people as you can? It's a practical system that in the real world market can and has been implemented, why not in a system run by players? ******* Peace may bring stability...but it is not near as fun as war!
Leroot	Posted - 2007.01.23 02:30:00 - [7] I was talking to the person before you, who pulled the tired old "OHSHI! I'M GONNA CANSEL MY SUBSKRIPDHUN IFN YUO ALL DUNT FIX DIS" routine. As if, even were the devs to read past the first post, they would care even a little bit about losing a customer. CCP pays their wage anyway. And, to address your point, I can't see feedback in local "This dude is a pirate, =O!" so why should you see feedback in market "This dude is a scammer, =O!"? Because the systems are pretty comparable.
Fox Starrunner Caldari Caldari Navy Support	Posted - 2007.01.23 02:38:00 - [8] Originally by: Leroot I was talking to the person before you, who pulled the tired old "OHSHI! I'M GONNA CANSEL MY SUBSKRIPDHUN IFN YUO ALL DUNT FIX DIS" routine. As if, even were the devs to read past the first post, they would care even a little bit about losing a customer. CCP pays their wage anyway. And, to address your point, I can't see feedback in local "This dude is a pirate, =O!" so why should you see feedback in market "This dude is a scammer, =O!"? Because the systems are pretty comparable. Then I apolgize for jumping the gun, forgot about him This is only an Idea though, feedback in local is a little bit different...you have to pay attention to it. However, that's what security status is for, -10?...hmmm...might want to leave him alone, but at the same time +4, hey he's a nice guy!...pew pew boom on you It's just a system that would allow players to judge a seller for themselves. I think it's a practical system, I don't know much about game code, so it may be a pain in the ass to implement and it could be shot down just by that. ******* Peace may bring stability...but it is not near as fun as war!
Leroot	Posted - 2007.01.23 02:58:00 - [9] I think it's plenty doable, and i also think it's a good idea - in terms of creating a more secure system with contracts. Your eBay example is the obvious one. However, I'm just trying to say that it seems like part of the whole ethos of playing EVE is that.. well, sometimes you get screwed over =) It's a hard game, if you die, you don't respawn and go again - you lose millions of ISK worth of gear and are often massively inconvenienced. It wouldn't have the same sense of achievement if it was easy. Improvements are all very well, and the game can still be a lot better for them.. I just think that sometimes improvements like this one need to be left out for the sake of maintaining the challenging experience. I want to have to avoid scams by my wits alone. =D But thats just my preference. o7
Fox Starrunner Caldari Caldari Navy Support	Posted - 2007.01.23 03:01:00 - [10] Originally by: Leroot However, I'm just trying to say that it seems like part of the whole ethos of playing EVE is that.. well, sometimes you get screwed over =) It's a hard game, if you die, you don't respawn and go again - you lose millions of ISK worth of gear and are often massively inconvenienced. Understood sir! and thankyou for your feedback! And your right, we don't respawn...we wake up in a sticky goo in a clone vat ;) ******* Peace may bring stability...but it is not near as fun as war!
Bozmech	Posted - 2007.01.23 12:26:00 - [11] Leroot I am not the complete imbecile you make me out to be. I was on about my subscription because of some other bugs i have come across. I am Actually on about having a bid retraction system on the contracts and or a buyer seller report feature. If you realise you have made an error you are able to correct it like in the real world. Also there should be a refund or claim button for such scams in the contracts system. If you were to make a bid in a real life auction your money would NOT be taken from your account before the auction ended. So therefore the game mechanics do need changing in this Contract system
Fox Starrunner Caldari Caldari Navy Support	Posted - 2007.01.23 15:57:00 - [12] Edited by: Fox Starrunner on 23/01/2007 15:57:28 Originally by: Bozmech I am Actually on about having a bid retraction system on the contracts and or a buyer seller report feature. I'm not sure if that would be a good idea...I've never known of a system where you say "I bid $100 for a tube sock!...oh crap no I don't sock!" A bid retraction system is impractical. If you place a bid your saying "I want that." you've spent the time to review it, read up on it, research the price, and then place your bid. If you made the mistake of not knowing what you big for...in essence that's not anyone elses fault. I'm suggesting this so you know WHO your buying from, NOT what your buying. ******* Peace may bring stability...but it is not near as fun as war!
Kayllyn	Posted - 2007.01.24 00:56:00 - [13] you do realize that if you buy from a "multiple item" contract it tells you the physical number of items, not just the name of the item like in the scams. i may be mistaken though.
Fox Starrunner Caldari Caldari Navy Support	Posted - 2007.01.24 14:55:00 - [14] Originally by: Kayllyn you do realize that if you buy from a "multiple item" contract it tells you the physical number of items, not just the name of the item like in the scams. i may be mistaken though. Yes it does...as I said though, who...not what ******* Peace may bring stability...but it is not near as fun as war!

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