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Saisin
Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp
Chao3 Alliance
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Posted - 2016.01.11 08:37:50 -
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I have been looking at live streaming my Eve activities. Unfortunately, I quickly found out that no matter the precautions I am putting on my stream screen to cover my intel, the game is working against me: when right clicking in space, the name of the current system can be easily viewed, and when using the radial menu and clicking an object in space, the system info also appears.
This seems counter to what CCP would want, I mean more streamers is good for the game right?
Why would a casual player stream their game when it increases the risk on their assets?
It would be nice if the game offered an option to obfuscate the name of current system in the radial/right click menus, for those streamers that are looking to showcase Eve without adding extra risks to their ships when doing so.
Vote Borat Guereen for CSM XI
"surrender your ego, be free". innuendo.
Freedom fighters, unite with Chao3
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Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
2161
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Posted - 2016.01.11 09:25:27 -
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They'll find you anyway. |
Max HeadBloom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2016.01.11 09:53:53 -
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They will i-i-i-dentify the system by looking at the nebula nebula nebula. Youarenot SAFE any-any-anywhere! |
Gregor Parud
Ordo Ardish
2163
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Posted - 2016.01.11 10:14:48 -
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Max HeadBloom wrote:They will i-i-i-dentify the system by looking at the nebula nebula nebula. Youarenot SAFE any-any-anywhere!
You need shades. |
Max HeadBloom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2016.01.11 10:25:23 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Max HeadBloom wrote:They will i-i-i-dentify the system by looking at the nebula nebula nebula. Youarenot SAFE any-any-anywhere! You need shades.
It will bebeBEbebe done!  |
lmmortalist
lmmortality Associates
186
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Posted - 2016.01.11 10:49:08 -
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Saisin wrote:
Why would a casual player stream their game when it increases the risk on their assets?
No risk --> no isk! |
Max HeadBloom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
1
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Posted - 2016.01.11 11:19:52 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:Max HeadBloom wrote:They will i-i-i-dentify the system by looking at the nebula nebula nebula. Youarenot SAFE any-any-anywhere! You need shades.
I have NONONONO SHADES SHADES available! |
Neuntausend
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
502
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Posted - 2016.01.11 11:31:54 -
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If they know your characters name, anyone can just use a locator agent to find you and crash your stream. It's just the risk of streaming in an open world PvP game. By streaming, you put a kick me sign on your own back, no matter if the viewers can clearly see your position in the stream or not.
Apart from being a more juicy targets, you still have all the means to avoid being shot down in your hands. Watch local, watch the directional scanner, use scouts, be aligned, bring friends. |
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
2886
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Posted - 2016.01.11 12:06:24 -
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I thought twitch had a delay on it's streaming you could use? So you can keep it 5 minutes out of date. |
Tisiphone Dira
WiNGSPAN Academy for Enterprising Pilots
The WINGSPAN Logo Alliance
572
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Posted - 2016.01.11 12:34:32 -
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This thread just makes you even juicier a target. Well done, own goal. |
Julanna Egnald
Del's Industrial Strip Mining
0
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Posted - 2016.01.11 12:36:10 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:I thought twitch had a delay on it's streaming you could use? So you can keep it 5 minutes out of date.
Technically you can, but if you want to actually talk with your chat room, you need to keep that delay as short as possible |
MidnightWyvern
Night Theifs
147
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Posted - 2016.01.11 13:22:49 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:They'll find you anyway.
Yeah, there's no point.
I put an image over my chat channels for the sake of the privacy of the people in them, but I'm not worried about getting "stream-sniped". Hell, streaming can be a great way to get people to come fight you.
The funny thing I've noticed is that while people talk about EVE Online having boring gameplay, when I stream MechWarrior Online or Warframe I never get any viewers. I've only been streaming EVE for a little while and I'm up to 28 Followers so far.
To the OP, if you want to stream just go for it.
_#portDust514
Don't let interactions like this become only a memory.
(EVE alt> Sarayu Wyvern. Dust 514 alt> Mobius Wyvern.)
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Anya Klibor
Addicted To Chaos
Archetype.
789
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Posted - 2016.01.11 13:26:59 -
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Nevyn Auscent wrote:I thought twitch had a delay on it's streaming you could use? So you can keep it 5 minutes out of date.
You can, and even some programs used for streaming, such as Open Broadcasting Software (OBS) allow you to tweak that delay to your preference (you could have a 90-minute delay if you wanted). However, most streamers like interacting with their viewers, and since you can't always type a response in a timely manner that delay is cut down as much as possible so you can give a relatively timely response to questions and comments.
Most fleet commanders won't allow you to stream unless you have something like a 60- to 90-minute delay on the stream. That's part of the reason many of the larger, more established fleets, corporations and alliances don't have regular streamers.
That being said, you CAN use OBS to filter out unneeded information with scripts (for instance, I can make it so Teamspeak won't come through on the stream, right-clicking gives no intel, and locations are blurred out. It just takes a little time to set up.
We're recruiting! :D
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Anya Klibor
Addicted To Chaos
Archetype.
789
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Posted - 2016.01.11 13:29:08 -
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MidnightWyvern wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:They'll find you anyway. Yeah, there's no point. I put an image over my chat channels for the sake of the privacy of the people in them, but I'm not worried about getting "stream-sniped". Hell, streaming can be a great way to get people to come fight you. The funny thing I've noticed is that while people talk about EVE Online having boring gameplay, when I stream MechWarrior Online or Warframe I never get any viewers. I've only been streaming EVE for a little while and I'm up to 28 Followers so far. To the OP, if you want to stream just go for it.
There are games that naturally bring in viewers. Path of Exile, DotA 2, League of Legends, and Starcraft II will usually bring people interested in seeing up-and-comers streaming. Other games, such as Rift, SWTOR, and even World of Warcraft, will not. It all comes down to personality and knowledge of the game to keep them coming back.
We're recruiting! :D
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Trevor Dalech
We pooped on your lawn
Resonance.
200
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Posted - 2016.01.11 16:44:48 -
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Saisin wrote:I mean more streamers is good for the game right?
More ships blowing up is good for the game, if you stream your location the chances of explosions increase! |
Ibutho Inkosi
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
21
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Posted - 2016.01.11 18:16:15 -
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Oy vey. Tell us when you have a problem. I know. The world is waiting to watch you spam F1. Poor world.
One less streamer of fabulous gaming skill. If it weren't so earth shaking it'd be significant.
As long as the tale of the hunt is told by the hunter, and not the lion, it will favor the hunter.
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Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
10213
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Posted - 2016.01.11 18:40:56 -
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Live streaming is most possibly the most boring leisure time activity this side of selfies
Got a HoleySheet1 corpse? I'll buy it for 200m!
Bumble's Space Log
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J'Poll
Perkone
Caldari State
6193
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Posted - 2016.01.11 19:43:14 -
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Running locator now. Dont need streams
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded
Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
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Saisin
Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp
Chao3 Alliance
307
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Posted - 2016.01.11 20:33:57 -
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Gregor Parud wrote:They'll find you anyway.
I do understand that, but my question is more like why CCP is adding useless information that fundamentally are discouraging players that could be willing to stream?
When the system's name appears on the right click or on the radial menu, I, as a player do not really care. I already know which system I am in. Knowing the planet number/moon/bookmark I am warping to is what I need on those interactions.
Running a loc agent, recognizing a nebula are all valid ways in-game to try to identify my location, and I do agree that they will find me anyway, but what does CCP gains by making it as easy as reading from a screen being broadcasted?
Vote Borat Guereen for CSM XI
"surrender your ego, be free". innuendo.
Freedom fighters, unite with Chao3
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J'Poll
Perkone
Caldari State
6195
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Posted - 2016.01.11 20:46:18 -
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Saisin wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:They'll find you anyway. I do understand that, but my question is more like why CCP is adding useless information that fundamentally are discouraging players that could be willing to stream? When the system's name appears on the right click or on the radial menu, I, as a player do not really care. I already know which system I am in. Knowing the planet number/moon/bookmark I am warping to is what I need on those interactions. Running a loc agent, recognizing a nebula are all valid ways in-game to try to identify my location, and I do agree that they will find me anyway, but what does CCP gains by making it as easy as reading from a screen being broadcasted?
You do know you can delay a stream for that sake too
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded
Public roams channels: RvB Ganked / Redemption Road / Spectre Fleet / Bombers bar / The Content Club
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Saisin
Chao3's Rogue Operatives Corp
Chao3 Alliance
307
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Posted - 2016.01.11 20:57:07 -
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J'Poll wrote:Saisin wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:They'll find you anyway. I do understand that, but my question is more like why CCP is adding useless information that fundamentally are discouraging players that could be willing to stream? When the system's name appears on the right click or on the radial menu, I, as a player do not really care. I already know which system I am in. Knowing the planet number/moon/bookmark I am warping to is what I need on those interactions. Running a loc agent, recognizing a nebula are all valid ways in-game to try to identify my location, and I do agree that they will find me anyway, but what does CCP gains by making it as easy as reading from a screen being broadcasted? You do know you can delay a stream for that sake too
Yes, I do. But like it has been mentioned, this reduces the capability to interact with viewers.
I also wonder if it adds some extra load on the computer (I am not tech savvy enough to really know how this delays works)
Last, it shifts the focus on the other tools instead of the game itself.
Vote Borat Guereen for CSM XI
"surrender your ego, be free". innuendo.
Freedom fighters, unite with Chao3
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J'Poll
Perkone
Caldari State
6196
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Posted - 2016.01.11 21:29:32 -
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Saisin wrote:J'Poll wrote:Saisin wrote:Gregor Parud wrote:They'll find you anyway. I do understand that, but my question is more like why CCP is adding useless information that fundamentally are discouraging players that could be willing to stream? When the system's name appears on the right click or on the radial menu, I, as a player do not really care. I already know which system I am in. Knowing the planet number/moon/bookmark I am warping to is what I need on those interactions. Running a loc agent, recognizing a nebula are all valid ways in-game to try to identify my location, and I do agree that they will find me anyway, but what does CCP gains by making it as easy as reading from a screen being broadcasted? You do know you can delay a stream for that sake too Yes, I do. But like it has been mentioned, this reduces the capability to interact with viewers. I also wonder if it adds some extra load on the computer (I am not tech savvy enough to really know how this delays works) Last, it shifts the focus on the other tools instead of the game itself.
Then it really depends, what are you streaming?
As interaction with stream viewers mean you dont need full attention. Which also means you are more likely in safer areas of the game
Personal channel: Crazy Dutch Guy
Help channel: Help chat - Reloaded
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
3291
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Posted - 2016.01.21 10:23:55 -
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I suspect people watching EVE streams are looking only to the moment when streamer will become warp scrambled and shout "Oh ****!!!." Fallowed by "****, ****, ************, YOU SAW ME THRU STREAM, DONT YOU?"
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Oddsodz
Rifterlings
Zero.Four Ops
172
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Posted - 2016.01.21 15:46:01 -
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If I was you (and I do steam myself from time to time). Just don't worry about it. Hiding all the things is a waste of time. If folks want to find you they will. And on a side note. The more you try to hide your self. the more players WILL come at you as they see it as a challenge to find and pop you. If you go watch streams like Zao or Shard Cade or Fintarue. You will see they hide nothing and it is not an issue for them. But then again, they are smart PvP players. sure they get popped too. But they don't care. They know it is going to happen,. So they invite you to come at them. More content = more folks watching them. Long story short. Hiding is not the way to go |
Sevchenko Valens
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2016.01.21 16:55:12 -
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Streams are only good when they involve drunk people or angry people. Preferably people who are both. Does CCP have any plans on increasing the numbers of angry drunk people raging over voice coms? |
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