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Hal Morsh
Hmmzor.
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Posted - 2016.01.12 23:47:21 -
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Uhm. I'm not sure when this happened, but the early technology for plasma rail cannons is a thing now.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_railgun
I find it neat.
I read things about a homemade railgun by some dudes using aluminum as ammo, which isn't magnetic.. "Aluminum is usefull because aluminum has a high boiling point.' Not sure why, but that's what someone who built a backyard railgun said. I saw white sparks and blue aluminum smoke come out the end. It definitely vaporized the small block. In fact they didn't even video it hitting anything. A video of a smaller version put some damage into something like a shotgun, but it wasn't nearly as effective as an actual shotgun.
So if high boiling points are usefull, Does hybrid ammunition in EVE have high boiling points. Would it relate? They are all at plasma based on the descriptions, and some of them are things like "Iron" and "Tungstun". I always read that and it makes me worrisome that hybrid ammo might be dangerous if the magnetic on the ammo fails.
Now that things in sci-fi are becoming reality we can test it against the guess of EVE. See if the devs were smarter than they thought when writing how the technology in EVE worked.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Poddington Bare
Angur Therapy
104
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Posted - 2016.01.12 23:49:32 -
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Ibutho Inkosi
Irubo Kovu
27
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Posted - 2016.01.12 23:58:37 -
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Tell you what, OP, EVE's creators had a lot of sci fi to draw from. Plasma weapons, rail guns, lasers all have been in the literature for well nigh a hundred years now. All of that was based on theory extrapolated from observed fact, and we've been waiting a century in some cases for the application (yeah, right, a "pone app").
Kinda makes me wonder who's got the catching up to do. But, all that aside. When I see your sig I become worried for your sake. It's easy for "us" to imagine AI being HAL...or better. It's hard to imagine this one part of the sci fi prophesy fest might have been just a tad over drawn. However, that would all depend on what intelligence is to YOU, as to what the artificial version might be. I'll take Roddenberry over Clarke any day.
As long as the tale of the hunt is told by the hunter, and not the lion, it will favor the hunter.
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Hal Morsh
Hmmzor.
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Posted - 2016.01.12 23:59:05 -
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I came to this about EVE when trying to figure out how they fire aluminum. Because it ain't magnetic.
I imagined this is really just that "electrical Jacobs ladder" (science toy) turned into a weapon.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Hal Morsh
Hmmzor.
484
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Posted - 2016.01.13 00:07:46 -
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Ibutho Inkosi wrote: But, all that aside. When I see your sig I become worried.
If it makes you feel any better. I made dinner and can't find the salt. Vegetables without salt. (Some bbq chicken too).
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Pix Severus
Mew Age Outpaws
2108
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Posted - 2016.01.13 00:09:08 -
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I assume high boiling points in ammo is desired because the process of firing it produces a lot of heat, therefore having ammo that will stay solid and not just splatter against the target is a good thing.
I'm just guessing though, I know little about these things.
My lord.
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Annemariela Antonela
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
213
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Posted - 2016.01.13 00:12:15 -
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Good, good; another railgun post.
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Bael Vulpes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2016.01.13 00:13:29 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:Uhm. I'm not sure when this happened, but the early technology for plasma rail cannons is a thing now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_railgun
I find it neat. I read things about a homemade railgun by some dudes using aluminum as ammo, which isn't magnetic.. "Aluminum is usefull because aluminum has a high boiling point.' Not sure why, but that's what someone who built a backyard railgun said. I saw white sparks and blue aluminum smoke come out the end. It definitely vaporized the small block. In fact they didn't even video it hitting anything. A video of a smaller version put some damage into something like a shotgun, but it wasn't nearly as effective as an actual shotgun. So if high boiling points are usefull, Does hybrid ammunition in EVE have high boiling points. Would it relate? They are all at plasma based on the descriptions, and some of them are things like "Iron" and "Tungstun". I always read that and it makes me worrisome that hybrid ammo might be dangerous if the magnetic on the ammo fails. Now that things in sci-fi are becoming reality we can test it against the guess of EVE. See if the devs were smarter than they thought when writing how the technology in EVE worked.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4ZqfEJTGzw
The US Navy has an operational railgun that they're going to put on destroyers.
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Hal Morsh
Hmmzor.
484
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Posted - 2016.01.13 00:18:36 -
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Pix Severus wrote:I assume high boiling points in ammo is desired because the process of firing it produces a lot of heat, therefore having ammo that will stay solid and not just splatter against the target is a good thing.
I'm just guessing though, I know little about these things.
I kno right? But its projectiling them as a plasma. Blasters magnetic field (ball) it and fire it, which is to explain why it dissipates so fast "meaning short range". While railguns hurl it really fast and precise. The T2 ammunitions have explanations for how they work, but "rocket assisted" only works for projectiles. I don't see how a "rocket sabot" assists plasma fired in T2 spike ammo.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Hal Morsh
Hmmzor.
484
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Posted - 2016.01.13 00:24:03 -
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Annemariela Antonela wrote:Good, good; another railgun post.
You can start the "anti gravity" thread then.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Mephiztopheleze
Republic University Minmatar Republic
428
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Posted - 2016.01.13 01:00:42 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:So if high boiling points are usefull, Does hybrid ammunition in EVE have high boiling points. Would it relate? They are all at plasma based on the descriptions, and some of them are things like "Iron" and "Tungstun".....
Just FYI: Tungsten has the highest boiling point of any element at a whopping 5,555C.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tungsten
Which is why it's suitable for use in orbital kinetic bombardment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment and such projects as the Rod From God and it's been used in Discarding Sabot tank shells for yonks and yonks.
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Eli Apol
Definitely a nullsec alt
497
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Posted - 2016.01.13 01:52:22 -
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Ibutho Inkosi wrote: I'll take Roddenberry over Clarke any day. I'll take Adams over Roddenberry every day.
but what would I know, I'm just a salvager
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Memphis Baas
932
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Posted - 2016.01.13 02:49:24 -
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As described in that wiki you linked, the rail gun accelerates the ammo by passing current through it. You form a motor of sorts, when your electricity goes through one of the rods (rails), sideways through the ammo, and then back through the other rod (rail). The flowing current forms a magnetic field that pushes the ammo down the rails.
The ammo doesn't have to be magnetic, just electrically-conductive. Metals conduct electricity, so they work. Plasma also conducts electricity, so it also works. Of course, passing electricity through metals creates heat, which is where resistivity and boiling point come into effect. I'm guessing melting point doesn't matter because molten or not, the metal will still hit with the same mass and velocity.
In any case, the other method is to replace the rails with a series of electromagnets that are activated sequentially, to push or pull the ammo out. In this case the ammo does have to be magnetic. Plasma can produce a magnetic field if you somehow rotate it into a vortex of some sort.
For EVE, "hybrid" means a mixture between "projectile" and "energy." I believe we're shooting metal projectiles that are accelerated using energy (rather than some sort of explosive powder). The various types of hybrid ammo all have some (actual, real life) metal in the name, except for antimatter; in that case we're shooting antimatter for extra damage on impact (though the ammo stats don't reflect the huge increase in damage antimatter should do upon impact).
Containment is an issue with antimatter. It's also an issue with nanites, but supposedly it's all handled. Being a game, nobody's guns have ever jammed or blown up in their faces, in all of 15 years of massive use, nor have any nanites escaped confinement to wreak havoc on exposed systems. |

Nafensoriel
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
256
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Posted - 2016.01.13 02:52:28 -
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Plasma MAG(magnetic accelerated gun) have been science fact for almost 50 years.
The trick is getting the energy levels to actually have an effective "shell".. and no you dont actually need a physical shell in theory. Railguns require a whole order of material science to build however. The navy found this out the hard way when they first tried to just use simple steel shells and discovered at railgun energy levels such shells slag themselves into a near vapor at launch.
Now the cool part. There is zero significant functional difference between a railgun, a plasma MAG, or a particle lance... and yes all are either proven in applied theory or in scale testing. Honestly you'd be amazed at how many techs from the 50-80s are just now becoming a reality thanks to advances in energy generation, energy storage, and material sciences. If people wern't so anti nuclear we would have had huge social changes due to these changes. |

Memphis Baas
932
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Posted - 2016.01.13 04:09:38 -
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Lasers are also in the same situation.
We're probably at the point where we can fully design stuff in CAD, with all the specifications, and then run performance and usage simulations, even if we don't have the materials or the energy levels for it yet. Basically, "Here you go guys, it's already designed, whenever you figure out a material that can withstand these conditions, for this little part here, you can mass produce it."
CAD Sci-Fi. |

Omnathious Deninard
Novis Initiis
3309
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Posted - 2016.01.13 04:37:31 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:I came to this about EVE when trying to figure out how they fire aluminum. Because it ain't magnetic.
Some things that aren't usually magnetic will magnetize when exposed to enough magnetic force, an example that you can do at home (not true magnetization but shows the example well enough) take a strong earth magnet and drop it down a piece of copper pipe slightly larger than the size of the magnet. The magnet will fall much slower than it should due to the magnetic forces it has and the force it creates through another metal (in this case the copper).
If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3927
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Posted - 2016.01.13 05:43:53 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:I'm guessing melting point doesn't matter because molten or not, the metal will still hit with the same mass and velocity. It's not exactly easy to maintain metal in a molten state. The temperature has to be controlled very carefully or the metal will just burn, leaving only impurities.
Oh god.
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Rawketsled
Generic Corp Name
364
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Posted - 2016.01.13 06:18:14 -
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Memphis Baas wrote:As described in that wiki you linked, the rail gun accelerates the ammo by passing current through it. You form a motor of sorts, when your electricity goes through one of the rods (rails), sideways through the ammo, and then back through the other rod (rail). The flowing current forms a magnetic field that pushes the ammo down the rails.
The ammo doesn't have to be magnetic, just electrically-conductive. Metals conduct electricity, so they work. Plasma also conducts electricity, so it also works. Of course, passing electricity through metals creates heat, which is where resistivity and boiling point come into effect. I'm guessing melting point doesn't matter because molten or not, the metal will still hit with the same mass and velocity. Came here just to say this.
But adding further detail, conductivity is dependent on temperature as well as susceptibility to magnetic fields. It's a huge engineering challenge to build these at high enough powers without parts of it going "Ha, screw you. I'm not working any harder than this." |

Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
977
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Posted - 2016.01.13 07:04:06 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:Uhm. I'm not sure when this happened, but the early technology for plasma rail cannons is a thing now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plasma_railgun
I find it neat. I read things about a homemade railgun by some dudes using aluminum as ammo, which isn't magnetic.. "Aluminum is usefull because aluminum has a high boiling point.' Not sure why, but that's what someone who built a backyard railgun said. I saw white sparks and blue aluminum smoke come out the end. It definitely vaporized the small block. In fact they didn't even video it hitting anything. A video of a smaller version put some damage into something like a shotgun, but it wasn't nearly as effective as an actual shotgun. So if high boiling points are usefull, Does hybrid ammunition in EVE have high boiling points. Would it relate? They are all at plasma based on the descriptions, and some of them are things like "Iron" and "Tungstun". I always read that and it makes me worrisome that hybrid ammo might be dangerous if the magnetic on the ammo fails. Now that things in sci-fi are becoming reality we can test it against the guess of EVE. See if the devs were smarter than they thought when writing how the technology in EVE worked.
Pay very close attention to the hybrid weapon damage type. Notice that they do thermal damage.
Now make your conclusion.
Hal Morsh wrote: I kno right? But its projectiling them as a plasma. Blasters magnetic field (ball) it and fire it, which is to explain why it dissipates so fast "meaning short range". While railguns hurl it really fast and precise. The T2 ammunitions have explanations for how they work, but "rocket assisted" only works for projectiles. I don't see how a "rocket sabot" assists plasma fired in T2 spike ammo.
I imagined that rocket-assisted projectile is exactly what the Minmatar are using. How else can projectile weapons hit their targets almost instantaneously if the projectile stops accelerating after leaving the barrel? They have got to be semi-gyrojets.
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
2409
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Posted - 2016.01.13 08:36:10 -
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I find it spiteful.
Where are technologies enabling comfortable and fast space travel and colonization, where are technologies enabling humanity to thrive, rather than to destroy itself?
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Keno Skir
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Posted - 2016.01.13 09:13:45 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:I find it spiteful. Where are technologies enabling comfortable and fast space travel and colonization, where are technologies enabling humanity to thrive, rather than to destroy itself?
Often the same technologies, rather what we choose to do with them. :)
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Skoomer
Bergmann Foundation Bergmann Federation
21
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Posted - 2016.01.13 10:55:44 -
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Bael Vulpes wrote: The US Navy has an operational railgun that they're going to put on destroyers.
Hope the destoryer isnt called "catalyst." Otherwise I think the US Navy is going to gank some **** in the future |

Bael Vulpes
Ministry of War Amarr Empire
4
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Posted - 2016.01.13 11:10:12 -
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Skoomer wrote:Bael Vulpes wrote: The US Navy has an operational railgun that they're going to put on destroyers.
Hope the destoryer isnt called "catalyst." Otherwise I think the US Navy is going to gank some **** in the future
I believe it's scheduled to be called "Rokh and roll." |

Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
783
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Posted - 2016.01.13 17:01:49 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:I find it spiteful. Where are technologies enabling comfortable and fast space travel and colonization, where are technologies enabling humanity to thrive, rather than to destroy itself?
That's mostly an issue with politics, not the science, when you really think about it. Most of the scientist, chemists, and theoretical physicist who worked on the science behind mankind's first nukes weren't likely hoping to build one of the most powerful and devastating weapons in human history. In fact it's probably not uncommon for scientists to be opposed to their **** being used in strictly military applications. So, to answer those questions directly in one word: government.
Most, if not all, of the really dangerous weapons -- you know, the stuff that would make you cringe and really question the morality and ethics behind it -- could easily be used in far better, humane, and more agreeable applications. Problem is, we humans are too busy trying to figure out bigger, better, and more interesting ways to kill each other, along with anything else human or otherwise that gets caught in the crossfire. When we're not doing that, we're still too busy trying to justify the killing in the first place.
Just be glad nature made sex as pleasurable as it is. It's the perfect incentive to procreate, or our species wouldn't still be here. Even then, it's still a wonder.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2485
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Posted - 2016.01.13 17:51:11 -
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What's up with the talk about high boiling point? Past the fusion point, you are shooting a liquid already. Tungsten isn't used in projectiles and space system because it does not boil before 5930C but because it does not melt/fuse before 3244C. If the ablative of your space shuttle turn to liquid, I'm pretty sure no one will be "Meh, it's not vapor yet so it's ok."... |

Frostys Virpio
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
2485
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Posted - 2016.01.13 17:55:44 -
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Sobaan Tali wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:I find it spiteful. Where are technologies enabling comfortable and fast space travel and colonization, where are technologies enabling humanity to thrive, rather than to destroy itself? That's mostly an issue with politics, not the science, when you really think about it. Most of the scientist, chemists, and theoretical physicist who worked on the science behind mankind's first nukes weren't likely hoping to build one of the most powerful and devastating weapons in human history. In fact it's probably not uncommon for scientists to be opposed to their **** being used in strictly military applications. So, to answer those questions directly in one word: government. Most, if not all, of the really dangerous weapons -- you know, the stuff that would make you cringe and really question the morality and ethics behind it -- could easily be used in far better, humane, and more agreeable applications. Problem is, we humans are too busy trying to figure out bigger, better, and more interesting ways to kill each other, along with anything else human or otherwise that gets caught in the crossfire. When we're not doing that, we're still too busy trying to justify the killing in the first place. Just be glad nature made sex as pleasurable as it is. It's the perfect incentive to procreate, or our species wouldn't still be here. Even then, it's still a wonder.
It's also much easier to design something that will project an object in a designated direction (any weapon with a projectile) than it is to design a system to project another object in a desired direction with the intent of that object being able to come to a stop without destroying anything. It is literally easier to design a free fall rocket than it is to design a rocket system with a living quarter in it that can come back to earth without following the law of gravity in it's purest form of "you will accelerate toward the core of the earth until you encounter an object solid enough to break your path"... It's not just a question of wanting to design just weapon. There are much more constraint to designing those good stuff. Whose fault it is that destroying things is so damn much easier than building/preserving them... |

Nafensoriel
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
256
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Posted - 2016.01.13 18:11:03 -
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Space travel has very little to do with politics and more to do with trying to replicate a biosphere that wont suffer cascade failure for decades or centuries. This is why we are massively interested in FTL solutions.
In short.. if the speed of light is as fast as we are ever going to travel all space flight systems must exist for the long haul. This isnt easy. Cryo isnt remotely a thing or even possibly a thing. This means generation ships. Fixed "earths" with a minute fraction of the biosphere packed into a synthetic hull... without a handy star nearby to power them. This is such a massive and scary task it will literally crush your intellect when you start diving into it. And no.. regardless of what you hear on the news we do not understand the biosphere or weather systems well enough to predict them efficiently. The whole AGW debate is a prime example of this.. its an arena of 15% real scientists, 75% scientists who have lost their objectivity, and 10% nutballs or politically purchased opinions. (and no im not saying AWG doesn't exist. It does. Dont be stupid. Just that there is a massive sh*tton of bad science being thrown around right now on both sides)
Additionally nuclear tech has been so hobbled that our one true ticket to the stars isnt socially acceptable yet. People today hear the world "nuclear" and think the old 1970s terribly designed barely controlled bombs that we used to call reactors. Modern material science has made things so utterly safe that you can hit one with a 350 car freight train and have it survive intact and safely functional. Even the radiation concerns are laughable.. you dump more radiation into the atmosphere burning coal than you do using a modern reactor.
It also doesn't help that wind and solar are jack and useless outside of a solar system ;). So kids... want eve to be real? Scream yell and support your local nuclear(unless its a local US plant... jesus christ get rid of thoses things already and build some CANDUs. |

Valacus
Streets of Fire
125
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Posted - 2016.01.13 18:26:22 -
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Hal Morsh wrote:I came to this about EVE when trying to figure out how they fire aluminum. Because it ain't magnetic.
I imagined this is really just that "electrical Jacobs ladder" (science toy) turned into a weapon.
Either using a magnetic carrier plate or magnetic shell. The rail gun would be a really silly device if it could only load magnetic ammunition. The better kinds of ammo, the hard stuff like iridium and uranium, are not particularly magnetic. You'd only be able to fire softer metals, and those just wouldn't stand up to the heat caused by the air resistance they're going to meet at the speeds rail guns can reach. Thankfully, you can either carry or wrap anything in a magnetic metal and boom, there she blows. |

Hal Morsh
Hmmzor.
484
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Posted - 2016.01.13 22:35:03 -
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Nafensoriel wrote:Space travel has very little to do with politics and more to do with trying to replicate a biosphere that wont suffer cascade failure for decades or centuries. This is why we are massively interested in FTL solutions.
In short.. if the speed of light is as fast as we are ever going to travel all space flight systems must exist for the long haul. This isnt easy. Cryo isnt remotely a thing or even possibly a thing. This means generation ships. Fixed "earths" with a minute fraction of the biosphere packed into a synthetic hull... without a handy star nearby to power them. This is such a massive and scary task it will literally crush your intellect when you start diving into it. And no.. regardless of what you hear on the news we do not understand the biosphere or weather systems well enough to predict them efficiently. The whole AGW debate is a prime example of this.. its an arena of 15% real scientists, 75% scientists who have lost their objectivity, and 10% nutballs or politically purchased opinions. (and no im not saying AWG doesn't exist. It does. Dont be stupid. Just that there is a massive sh*tton of bad science being thrown around right now on both sides)
Additionally nuclear tech has been so hobbled that our one true ticket to the stars isnt socially acceptable yet. People today hear the world "nuclear" and think the old 1970s terribly designed barely controlled bombs that we used to call reactors. Modern material science has made things so utterly safe that you can hit one with a 350 car freight train and have it survive intact and safely functional. Even the radiation concerns are laughable.. you dump more radiation into the atmosphere burning coal than you do using a modern reactor.
It also doesn't help that wind and solar are jack and useless outside of a solar system ;). So kids... want eve to be real? Scream yell and support your local nuclear(unless its a local US plant... jesus christ get rid of thoses things already and build some CANDUs.
I think Monsanto has proven human stupidity with science well enough in modern times. It would also help a whole lot if things like the Fukashima disaster stopped happening.
Valacus wrote: Thankfully, you can either carry or wrap anything in a magnetic metal and boom, there she blows.
Someone needs to make a bow and arrow with a circle of magnets in the end to help propel the arrow forward. I've seen someone rapid fire a handheld magnetic pistol with enough force to crack a computer screen pretty good, before that it had to charge like those old flash cameras each shot. So it is getting compact enough to be practical.
ALSO going to leave this here.
http://cleantechnica.com/2014/05/12/new-graphene-carbon-nanotube-supercapacitor/
I heard about carbon nanotube powerstorage speculation before 2014. Some Tv show or science video from youtube. It's always been stuck in my head since. The article has earlier dates.
Dun'Gal > Hal is simply an imperfect ai, though if drunkeness ever gets programmed into ai's I foresee both a hilarious and tragic end to humanity.
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
785
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Posted - 2016.01.14 00:06:42 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote: It's also much easier to design something that will project an object in a designated direction (any weapon with a projectile) than it is to design a system to project another object in a desired direction with the intent of that object being able to come to a stop without destroying anything. It is literally easier to design a free fall rocket than it is to design a rocket system with a living quarter in it that can come back to earth without following the law of gravity in it's purest form of "you will accelerate toward the core of the earth until you encounter an object solid enough to break your path"... It's not just a question of wanting to design just weapon. There are much more constraint to designing those good stuff. Whose fault it is that destroying things is so damn much easier than building/preserving them...
While I don't disagree with any of that, convenience has never been a very good excuse. My dad never let me get away with that when I was growing up, and thank God he didn't, he was right to stay on my ass about it. Preservation is always easier that destruction, no doubt. That doesn't suddenly shift the responsibility away from it, though.
Anyways, I'll shut up from this point as I'm derailing. In fact, I wouldn't blame ISD for removing my posts in this thread, just wanted to get my point across I guess and got a little carried away. So, my apologies.
"Tomahawks?"
"----in' A, right?"
"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."
"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
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