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Tommy TenKreds Animal Mercantile Executive	Posted - 2007.01.24 14:09:00 - [1] Having real life mates play Eve alongside you is great. You can introduce them quickly to ship setups and give them a head start on equipment, so they can start having fun and be useful to your corp from the get go. Moreover, you can trust them. This week, one of my RL mates decided to give Eve a try. He signed up for the trial and I talked him through setting up his first character. I pointed him towards Achura (as a fervent powerplayer should ) but he was sucked in by clever Republican marketing and went Minmatar, despite my protests. Then we started talking about all the careers you can follow in Eve. I was careful to emphasize the freedom that Eve offers. Suddenly his face lit up and he asked excitedly, "So I can be a pirate and steal other people's stuff?" I knew at that moment I had already lost him... Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Is there anything other than ISK you might be interested in?
Major Stormer Caldari Celestial Apocalypse Insurgency	Posted - 2007.01.24 14:12:00 - [2] \o/ And another great and evil pirate is born!
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.24 14:14:00 - [3] So true. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Cabadrin Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.24 14:18:00 - [4] I'm always amazed how the most stable and quiet people can become nasty pirates in EVE - my buddies who play either became evil mercenaries or gank people for their loots Viva la PvP! Now if only WoW let me steal tier 3 raiding loots from lvl 60s ... _______________________________________________
Shanur	Posted - 2007.01.24 14:39:00 - [5] Originally by: Cabadrin Now if only WoW let me steal tier 3 raiding loots from lvl 60s ... If Blizzard, even for one hour, would implement a similar system to dying as we use here in EVE, the screams of outrage would beso loud, so wide spread that even the native tribes in the remotest part of the amazons, and the aboriginals in the furthest reaches of their wastelands would hear them. It might even lead to countries declaring war on the USA just to get at Blizzard. Too bad Blizzard would never risk their revenue to do something most of us would think is lots and lots of fun .
BurnHard	Posted - 2007.01.24 14:44:00 - [6] Originally by: Shanur Originally by: Cabadrin Now if only WoW let me steal tier 3 raiding loots from lvl 60s ... If Blizzard, even for one hour, would implement a similar system to dying as we use here in EVE, the screams of outrage would beso loud, so wide spread that even the native tribes in the remotest part of the amazons, and the aboriginals in the furthest reaches of their wastelands would hear them. It might even lead to countries declaring war on the USA just to get at Blizzard. Too bad Blizzard would never risk their revenue to do something most of us would think is lots and lots of fun . Please, must every thread render down to WoW bashing? It's like this tiny company is bashing the big corporation because it's invented some competing widget and it thinks everybody else should own one. The only problem is nobody wants to buy it.
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.24 14:46:00 - [7] Originally by: BurnHard Originally by: Shanur Originally by: Cabadrin Now if only WoW let me steal tier 3 raiding loots from lvl 60s ... If Blizzard, even for one hour, would implement a similar system to dying as we use here in EVE, the screams of outrage would beso loud, so wide spread that even the native tribes in the remotest part of the amazons, and the aboriginals in the furthest reaches of their wastelands would hear them. It might even lead to countries declaring war on the USA just to get at Blizzard. Too bad Blizzard would never risk their revenue to do something most of us would think is lots and lots of fun . Please, must every thread render down to WoW bashing? Its not WoW bashing. Just because someone mentions "WoW" doesn't mean they're bashing it and doesn't mean you have to hop in to play fanboy and defend Blizzard from the attack that you think you see. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
Ladyah Liandri Take By Surprise Ltd.	Posted - 2007.01.24 14:56:00 - [8] Isn't WoW bashing a necessity and explicitly stated in the EULA?
Tommy TenKreds Animal Mercantile Executive	Posted - 2007.01.24 14:59:00 - [9] Originally by: Cabadrin I'm always amazed how the most stable and quiet people can become nasty pirates in EVE - my buddies who play either became evil mercenaries or gank people for their loots Yep. I wouldn't have it any other way tbh. But it would be nice if they stuck around long enough to haul some stuff for me. Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Is there anything other than ISK you might be interested in?
BurnHard	Posted - 2007.01.24 15:06:00 - [10] Originally by: Dark Shikari Too bad Blizzard would never risk their revenue to do something most of us would think is lots and lots of fun . I give up with you DS. Black is white, white is black. It was Wow bashing, like a lot of threads on these forums often degenerate into ("go play WoW!" - and yes the majority of MMO players do! Think about that for a second). Many Eve players have an e-peen size issue with Wow. It's like small man complex. At every opportunity you have to smack it around, even though its so unbelievably successful. Another approach of course is to see what we can take from it in terms of making Eve a better game?
Dark Shikari Caldari Imperium Technologies Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.24 15:12:00 - [11] Edited by: Dark Shikari on 24/01/2007 15:08:24 Originally by: BurnHard Originally by: Dark Shikari Too bad Blizzard would never risk their revenue to do something most of us would think is lots and lots of fun . I give up with you DS. Black is white, white is black. It was Wow bashing, like a lot of threads on these forums often degenerate into ("go play WoW!" - and yes the majority of MMO players do! Think about that for a second). Many Eve players have an e-peen size issue with Wow. It's like small man complex. At every opportunity you have to smack it around, even though its so unbelievably successful. Another approach of course is to see what we can take from it in terms of making Eve a better game? So now you're insulting the size of your opponent's members, and claiming they have psychological problems. Clearly, this is the way to convince every other person on the EVE Online forums that you are right and they are wrong. -[23] Member- Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame)
BurnHard	Posted - 2007.01.24 15:16:00 - [12] Originally by: Dark Shikari So now you're insulting the size of your opponent's members, and claiming they have psychological problems. Clearly, this is the way to convince every other person on the EVE Online forums that you are right and they are wrong. I don't know what your problem is, but I was making a psychological observation which I see is entirely justified by your reply. I notice you avoid the actual point I was making.
Araxmas Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.24 15:26:00 - [13] Why have you renamed one of the quotes from a different player so that it says DS said it? --------
Mog Carns Gallente Organisation Of Power	Posted - 2007.01.24 15:28:00 - [14] There is nothing to be taken from it. That is the problem. MMOs existed before WoW. People played those. We hated specific things, but liked the game over all, or at least had nothing else as an altenative. WoW should be part of the MMO "genre", but isn't. People who played before WoW tend to not like it. It is not part of the club. It's subscriber base is almost completely Blizzard lovers, not MMO lovers. A rough analogy is to find someone who has an extensive Mozart collection and to give them a Kevin Federline CD because they love music. ------------------------------------------------------------- Yeah, I mean, you try to live a good life. You even try joining a group of people whom claim to be anti pirate. And the whole time, every instinct in your body wants nothing more than to grab a cutlass, scream "Yarr!!!", and royally tear into that mining barge you just passed. Why is that? Clueless Noob
Phelan Lore Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.01.24 15:32:00 - [15] Originally by: BurnHard Another approach of course is to see what we can take from it in terms of making Eve a better game? No thanks... I remember when SOE decided to see what they could take from WoW.
Araxmas Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.24 15:35:00 - [16] Originally by: Phelan Lore Originally by: BurnHard Another approach of course is to see what we can take from it in terms of making Eve a better game? No thanks... I remember when SOE decided to see what they could take from WoW. Yeah I remember when the everquest2 tradeskill part was very fun and complex....than they simplified it to like that WoW's one is and quite frankly if I wanted to play WoW i'd play WoW. Don't get me wrong I do play WoW and I can happily say that EvE beats the stuffing out of it. --------
Khatred OMG I can post in the CAOD section now	Posted - 2007.01.24 15:38:00 - [17] Can we derail this a bit more please? How about world hunger and how elves hidden under rocks in Iceland can help? _______________________________________________ CondorKestrelMerlinGriffinHeronBantamAtronImicus IncursusMaulusNavitasTristanBreacherBurstProbe \o/ I got Eve content in my sig.
Araxmas Black Lance Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2007.01.24 15:39:00 - [18] Oh yeah heh, just realised what the OP was again... back on track... Good to see that fresh evil meat is being put into the grinder --------
Zephirz Blood Inquisition Sani Khal'Vecna	Posted - 2007.01.24 15:40:00 - [19] Originally by: Mog Carns There is nothing to be taken from it. That is the problem. actually theres lots to be taken from it, just not on the pvp front. which is what eve is about. WoW is a Pve game and say what you want but the pve is much better over there. Ontop of that the feeling of adventure is, atleast to me, alot bigger in wow. which is what most people look for. Now i didnt extend my WoW account after the initial month because of the linear gameplay. Eve is a teamgame with lots of goals to achieve thru playing and thinking with other people. But Tbh i think most people like the linear gameplay. In Eve youre the director of the movie, In WoW you play the legend someone els has written... and most people would rather play legolas than spending hours upon hours creating the story zephirz
Tommy TenKreds Animal Mercantile Executive	Posted - 2007.01.24 15:50:00 - [20] Originally by: Araxmas Oh yeah heh, just realised what the OP was again... back on track... I think it may be too late. That'll be that freedom I mentioned. Originally by: Tyrrax Thorrk Is there anything other than ISK you might be interested in?
Herculite Hunters Agency Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.24 15:57:00 - [21] The reason for the WoW bashing is that a lot of us liked WoW but couldn't stand the carebear endgame. We play eve and wish in our hearts that WoW would do some things to make itself more eve like.
Mei Jiang	Posted - 2007.01.24 16:02:00 - [22] Edited by: Mei Jiang on 24/01/2007 15:59:32 Originally by: Zephirz Originally by: Mog Carns There is nothing to be taken from it. That is the problem. actually theres lots to be taken from it, just not on the pvp front. which is what eve is about. WoW is a Pve game and say what you want but the pve is much better over there. Ontop of that the feeling of adventure is, atleast to me, alot bigger in wow. which is what most people look for. Now i didnt extend my WoW account after the initial month because of the linear gameplay. Eve is a teamgame with lots of goals to achieve thru playing and thinking with other people. But Tbh i think most people like the linear gameplay. In Eve youre the director of the movie, In WoW you play the legend someone els has written... and most people would rather play legolas than spending hours upon hours creating the story the feeling of adventure grows old after you realize that you have killed the same boss and the same trash 50+ times just so that you can gear another noob, (or even someones alt) just so you can go work on another dungeon that you have beat 50 times so that you can yet again gear someone else so that perhaps the next time you go to Nax you might get the chance to bid outrageous amounts of dpk against all your friends that are just 1 MC/ZG/AQ/BWL run away from throwing in the towel and taking their 234978 epics with them when they deactivate their account because they are tired of character progression through items alone... If wow didnt have a level cap, I would still be grinding.
Shanur	Posted - 2007.01.24 16:05:00 - [23] Originally by: Zephirz In Eve youre the director of the movie, In WoW you play the legend someone els has written... and most people would rather play legolas than peter jackson There you go. Now the metaphore fits better .
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.24 16:09:00 - [24] Originally by: Major Stormer \o/ And another great and evil pirate is born! I came to this game to hunt bounties now I get them placed on me (well not anymore since no one mines in low sec anymore )
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.24 16:10:00 - [25] Edited by: Marcus TheMartin on 24/01/2007 16:06:35 DOUBLE POST!

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