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Deschenus Maximus Amarr In Articulo Mortis	Posted - 2007.01.24 16:01:00 - [1] What would be needed to make a great anti-pie org? I mean in the ways of rules/organization/fund raising/tactics/etc? I know that in general, anti-pies have a bad rep, so how would one go about creating a "good" anti-pie corp? Please keep the cynism to a minimum (kinda feel this is pointless to ask, but anyways...) FOR THE EMPEROR!
JoeT Amarr Short Attention Span	Posted - 2007.01.24 16:03:00 - [2] recruit d.solo --- If i'm posting on the forums, it's mostly cause i'm at work :D
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.24 16:06:00 - [3] 1. Don't try to convert me to an ammarian religion 2. Don't smack in local 3. Fight solo every once in a while
Deschenus Maximus Amarr In Articulo Mortis	Posted - 2007.01.24 16:10:00 - [4] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin 1. Don't try to convert me to an ammarian religion Had a run-in with CVA, I assume? Originally by: Marcus TheMartin 2. Don't smack in local This would be number 1 most important rule as this seems to be number 1 complaint against anti-pies. Originally by: Marcus TheMartin 3. Fight solo every once in a while Isn't that the best way to lose? I mean, blobs are ineffective against pirates since you're not stupid enough to undock with 20+ hostiles in local, but going solo is just as dumb, as that leaves you open to getting ganked by those you hunt, no? FOR THE EMPEROR!
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.24 16:15:00 - [5] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: Marcus TheMartin 1. Don't try to convert me to an ammarian religion Had a run-in with CVA, I assume? Originally by: Marcus TheMartin 2. Don't smack in local This would be number 1 most important rule as this seems to be number 1 complaint against anti-pies. Originally by: Marcus TheMartin 3. Fight solo every once in a while Isn't that the best way to lose? I mean, blobs are ineffective against pirates since you're not stupid enough to undock with 20+ hostiles in local, but going solo is just as dumb, as that leaves you open to getting ganked by those you hunt, no? 1.Yes 2. Yep calling people cowards trying to egg them out is really annoying were not made of money you know 3. a Small wolfpack of 5 could do damage but when local jumps by a massive number no one stays put if you want to bust a gate camp though yes you will need support but don't blob all the time as I am in a 1 man corp and sitting docked in a station is boring
Deschenus Maximus Amarr In Articulo Mortis	Posted - 2007.01.24 16:19:00 - [6] Question is, then, what do you consider a "blob"? I.e. how many is too many? FOR THE EMPEROR!
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.24 16:28:00 - [7] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Question is, then, what do you consider a "blob"? I.e. how many is too many? when camp busting the only way to know if you have too many is if the node crashes Also make sure your corp has acces to lvl4 locater agents and run them on tiller odds are if hes online you'll find a camp. Hunting down a certain master of the black arts named after a spice is sooo 2006
Deschenus Maximus Amarr In Articulo Mortis	Posted - 2007.01.24 16:36:00 - [8] Edited by: Deschenus Maximus on 24/01/2007 16:32:44 Originally by: Marcus TheMartin when camp busting the only way to know if you have too many is if the node crashes I meant more in an non-camp-busting capacity. Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Also make sure your corp has acces to lvl4 locater agents and run them on tiller odds are if hes online you'll find a camp. Funnily enough, tiller was the second person I thought of when I discovered I had access to a locator (first was Verone, but then Veto went merc). Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Hunting down a certain master of the black arts named after a spice is sooo 2006 Can't blame people for doing so. Shamless self-promotion FTL. FOR THE EMPEROR!
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.24 16:38:00 - [9] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Edited by: Deschenus Maximus on 24/01/2007 16:32:44 Originally by: Marcus TheMartin when camp busting the only way to know if you have too many is if the node crashes I meant more in an non-camp-busting capacity. Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Also make sure your corp has acces to lvl4 locater agents and run them on tiller odds are if hes online you'll find a camp. Funnily enough, tiller was the second person I thought of when I discovered I had access to a locator (first was Verone, but then Veto went merc). Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Hunting down a certain master of the black arts named after a spice is sooo 2006 Can't blame people for doing so. Shamless self-promotion FTL. Well it depends I find a small fleet of 7 is easy to move around and fun to do so in wolf pack form (frigs and cruisers)
Mutant Caldari Caldari VSP Corp. R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.24 16:39:00 - [10] /me predicts that Deschenus soon gives up the Anti-Pirate ways and turns to the dark side Yeah I am a pirate.What are you gonna do about it?

Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.24 16:41:00 - [11] Originally by: Mutant Caldari /me predicts that Deschenus soon gives up the Anti-Pirate ways and turns to the dark side Maybe since -5 pirates never use haulers
Tobias Sjodin Caldari Ore Mongers SMASH Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.24 16:41:00 - [12] Great and anti-pirate, that's an oxymoron. [OMG! SMASH!]
Stakhanov Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.24 16:42:00 - [13] Depends what you mean by "good" - featuring high profiles pvpers ? Showing exemplary teamwork ? Operating with a good mood ? Or being dedicated to the fight of Good vs Evil and acting "virtuous" at all times. T2 ships are probably a must to catch pirates without a highly obvious ganksquad. But they're costly , most likely only affordable for merc activities. Baiting tactics work best if you have to fight with T1 ships and numbers. Well you won't even need numbers if you manage to bait pirates one by one. Oh , and don't use login traps to avoid the obvious blob issue , that's lame
Frito11 Turbulent Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.24 16:49:00 - [14] Originally by: Mutant Caldari /me predicts that Deschenus soon gives up the Anti-Pirate ways and turns to the dark side QFT I was once an Anti-Pirate, started to love PVP so much i decided to join up in a corp in an alliance in 0.0 did that for some months had fun, but in the end one realizes that to PVP to make your living is by far the best way to go
Shamis Orzoz Sniggerdly	Posted - 2007.01.24 16:51:00 - [15] Patience and a good covert ops pilot is all you need. Also, remember that most pirates in empire operate with a big disadvantage in that they are often flagged. So when you attack them remember that they are probably going to run against even numbers since the sentries are on your side. But properly fitted ships, with good warp in points can easily defeat any pirates who linger in one place for too long. Most anti-pirates in eve bring more than equal numbers and then smack the pirates in local when they run away. This makes them look dumb. If they wanted to kill something, they should have brought fewer ships and actually made the pirates think they had a chance of winning.
Glenntwo	Posted - 2007.01.24 16:58:00 - [16] Leave a heavily tanked t1 ship with t1 mods thats fully insured in an asteroid belt like a cruiser or battlecruiser. Have the pilot watch his scanner for probable incoming while aligned. When the pirates show up if there are to many he warps out and if its a number your force can take he stays and warp scrambles 1 or 2 of them. After the pirates attack your seemingly solo bait ship you undock with the rest of your boys and warp in. Wallah. Dead pirates. Sure a lot of people will jump in and go " i would nevaar be stupid enough to fall for that trick, yaaarrggg!!1!!." Doesnt matter, most pirates will. Oh and if at all possible keep your bait pilot in a different corp then your gank squad. Makes it less obvious.
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2007.01.24 17:18:00 - [17] Originally by: Glenntwo Leave a heavily tanked t1 ship with t1 mods thats fully insured in an asteroid belt like a cruiser or battlecruiser. Have the pilot watch his scanner for probable incoming while aligned. When the pirates show up if there are to many he warps out and if its a number your force can take he stays and warp scrambles 1 or 2 of them. After the pirates attack your seemingly solo bait ship you undock with the rest of your boys and warp in. Wallah. Dead pirates. Sure a lot of people will jump in and go " i would nevaar be stupid enough to fall for that trick, yaaarrggg!!1!!." Doesnt matter, most pirates will. Oh and if at all possible keep your bait pilot in a different corp then your gank squad. Makes it less obvious. or keep your gank squad in the enxt system.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr In Articulo Mortis	Posted - 2007.01.24 17:19:00 - [18] @ Mutant Caldari & Marcus: You seem to think that I am an anti-pirate. I am not (though I may become one eventually). I am simply asking some questions so that I know how to set things up should I pick that route. Secondly, it wouldn't be about the profit, so I don't really care that pirates don't fly haulers. @ Tobias Sjodin: You obvisouly chose to ignore my plea to keep cynism out of this thread, or haven't read the OP at all. Either way, please don't waste your and my time with such posts. Thank you. @ Stakhanov: By "good" I mean effective and "professional" (i.e. not seen as a bunch of smacking carebears out for revenge). Thanks for the advice about the Tech II ships. Finally, what's a login trap? @Shramis: Thanks for the additional tricks. @ Glenntwo: Wouldn't it be more effective to have the bait in one system, "ratting", and the rest of the guys in the adjacent system at the gate, ready to jump in? FOR THE EMPEROR!
PCaBoo Newbies On Xstacy The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.01.24 17:30:00 - [19] Baiting works, but if you're going to hunt pirates, do it because you want money or to kill people. If I hear about another moron and his quest to cleanse the universe of pirate-scum, i'm going to lose it. If you're really into protecting the weak or whatever, then go nuts, but that's the day you start going bankrupt. ________________________________ Caldari's are the Chosen people!
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.24 17:36:00 - [20] Originally by: PCaBoo Baiting works, but if you're going to hunt pirates, do it because you want money or to kill people. If I hear about another moron and his quest to cleanse the universe of pedo-scum, i'm going to lose it. If you're really into protecting the weak or whatever, then go nuts, but that's the day you start going bankrupt. fixed

PCaBoo Newbies On Xstacy The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.01.24 17:41:00 - [21] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: PCaBoo Baiting works, but if you're going to hunt pirates, do it because you want money or to kill people. If I hear about another moron and his quest to cleanse the universe of pedo-scum, i'm going to lose it. If you're really into protecting the weak or whatever, then go nuts, but that's the day you start going bankrupt. fixed damn you!!! I'll find you one day! ________________________________ Caldari's are the Chosen people!
Deschenus Maximus Amarr In Articulo Mortis	Posted - 2007.01.24 17:41:00 - [22] Originally by: PCaBoo Baiting works, but if you're going to hunt pirates, do it because you want money or to kill people. Number 2 Originally by: PCaBoo If I hear about another moron and his quest to cleanse the universe of pirate-scum, i'm going to lose it. Lol Originally by: PCaBoo If you're really into protecting the weak or whatever, then go nuts, but that's the day you start going bankrupt. Why is that? FOR THE EMPEROR!
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.24 17:48:00 - [23] Originally by: PCaBoo Originally by: Marcus TheMartin Originally by: PCaBoo Baiting works, but if you're going to hunt pirates, do it because you want money or to kill people. If I hear about another moron and his quest to cleanse the universe of pedo-scum, i'm going to lose it. If you're really into protecting the weak or whatever, then go nuts, but that's the day you start going bankrupt. fixed damn you!!! I'll find you one day! I reside in the most delicious system in the galaxy
Deschenus Maximus Amarr In Articulo Mortis	Posted - 2007.01.24 17:52:00 - [24] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin I reside in the most delicious system in the galaxy The Triple-Layered Chocolate Devil-Cake system, from the Candy constellation in Sugar region? FOR THE EMPEROR!
PCaBoo Newbies On Xstacy The Imperial Order	Posted - 2007.01.24 17:58:00 - [25] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: PCaBoo Baiting works, but if you're going to hunt pirates, do it because you want money or to kill people. Number 2 Originally by: PCaBoo If I hear about another moron and his quest to cleanse the universe of pirate-scum, i'm going to lose it. Lol Originally by: PCaBoo If you're really into protecting the weak or whatever, then go nuts, but that's the day you start going bankrupt. Why is that? Protecting the so-called innocents is not your job. If you make it your job, you will only lose ships/money. You might get a few kills here and there, but your losses will be much higher. It's just a fact of eve-life. If you want to fight and be a "good guy" in the process, go merc or just be a PvP'er. Once you cross that line into being an unofficial cop, you're instantly becoming a hyprocrit. I'd bet every isk I have that if you went anti-pirate, you'd be a pirate within 6 months. ________________________________ Caldari's are the Chosen people!
Deschenus Maximus Amarr In Articulo Mortis	Posted - 2007.01.24 18:14:00 - [26] Originally by: PCaBoo Once you cross that line into being an unofficial cop, you're instantly becoming a hyprocrit. Again, why is that? FOR THE EMPEROR!
Fedaykinn Caldari Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2007.01.24 18:56:00 - [27] I dont think theres anythnig worn in wnating to become a cop corp. There arent enough of them I have eyt to see a so called "Anti Pirate Corp" Actually activley seek out and hunt down pirates all the time. It would be interesting and tbh if more of these proper anti pirate corps were about, more ppl will move into that area where the anti pirates operate as long as there reputation is good And this would benefit both sides, just a shame atm there really aint a proper anti pirate corp just so called anti pirate corps.
Frito11 Turbulent Anarchy Empire	Posted - 2007.01.24 19:06:00 - [28] Originally by: Deschenus Maximus Originally by: PCaBoo Once you cross that line into being an unofficial cop, you're instantly becoming a hyprocrit. Again, why is that? Speaking from my experience I think at least in my case it comes down to 2 things #1 Fun #2 ISK those 2 things are what keeps a player playing eve, and there is much more of both to be had as a Pirate, weather that be in low sec or 0.0 But by all means hunt us, we enjoy it so long as you bring fair numbers to the battlefield, Blob's are bad for your eve experience
Mi Lai Sanguine Legion	Posted - 2007.01.24 19:22:00 - [29] If you want to become an anti-pirate, I suggest you try pirating for a few months at least. If you want to catch pirates, it's good if you can think like a pirate. Know the mechanics of flagging / aggressing / baiting, and it shouldnt be to hard to take down some pirates. Alternatively, join CVA for a while, they are pretty experienced in hunting pirates, both in large and small/solo gangs/set-ups.
Deschenus Maximus Amarr In Articulo Mortis	Posted - 2007.01.24 19:49:00 - [30] Edited by: Deschenus Maximus on 24/01/2007 19:46:17 Originally by: Mi Lai If you want to become an anti-pirate, I suggest you try pirating for a few months at least. If you want to catch pirates, it's good if you can think like a pirate. Know the mechanics of flagging / aggressing / baiting, and it shouldnt be to hard to take down some pirates. Alternatively, join CVA for a while, they are pretty experienced in hunting pirates, both in large and small/solo gangs/set-ups. Funnily enough, I've thought about both of those things... will have to give it some more consideration. FOR THE EMPEROR!



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