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Allen Deckard
Gallente
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.01.24 21:52:00 -
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Ok maybe you dont see a problem but personally I do.
First simply 3 problems.
1. low end mins raising to high
2. high end mins lowering to low
3. people complain not enough incentive to live in low sec
Would it not fix a good portion of this if they simply lowered the trit pye requirements of ships and mods by 20% and raised the mega zyde requirements by 20%?
All things being equal the general price should stay about the same for most ships and mods.
The price of trit should then be a bit lower
The price of zyde mega raises to an acceptable level.
The rewards of empire are lowered a little.
The rewards of .0 are raised a bit.
The logistics of .0 are made a bit easier making .0 living a little easier.
Anyway just personal opinion but I think it would work.
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hotgirl933
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Posted - 2007.01.24 22:42:00 -
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thats the lazy way out - supply and demand are at work - if low ends rise enough ppl will start mining them
whats happened is CCP come down hard on the macros removing the cheap mineral supply of low ends ( we have a more valid supply and demand curve in work now)
prices rise so mining trit becomes more profitable - that means less pressure placed on 0.0 ( the drone regions are behind the drop in high end prices)
it just means that ship prices really arent moving much why does the OP want an interference method instead of allowing economics take its course
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PirateShampoo
UK Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.24 22:45:00 -
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Please excuse me if I am wrong but I was under the impression it was the drone loot (crystals refined to high end mins) that alliances like yours (Ka-Tet) are producing that are flooding empire and driving down the prices?
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Anaalys Fluuterby
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.24 22:48:00 -
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Easy way to get lower mineral prices?
People quit ganking CareBears and miners in Empire so that the results of their mining actually get to market.
Pierats quit attacking miners in LoSec so that their minerals actually get to market.
Quit PvPing so that builders have to replace fewer ships.
Any of the above would help with prices and also increase the number of miners, hence increasing supply. Of course its all player-driven, so CCP should NOT do anything about it and let the market and players run their course.
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Imechal Ravpeim
International Multi-Player Consortium
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.24 22:48:00 -
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I actually like the supply and demand thing... It's called economy. Learn to adapt.
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Lissett
Caldari
Constructive Influence
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Posted - 2007.01.24 23:25:00 -
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So far I've read about 20 of these fix empire posts and skipped over many, many more. To date, noone has ever successfully posited a valid reason as to why empire needs fixing.
Low sec is empty... so what?
There's noone to kill in "my" system... so what?
Lets just leave this horse alone and go back to bashing Amarr or discussing capital mining ships.
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hotgirl933
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Posted - 2007.01.24 23:28:00 -
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things are quite good as they are now - sure the content needs expanding sure the log off timer in warp bubble needs fixing.
Sure invention, exploration and salvage need more work
sure we need more t2 supply and perhaps even t2 BPCs dropping out of some new areas.
Sure we need planetary populations jove expansion and some speed in CCP development
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.24 23:33:00 -
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Edited by: Joshua Foiritain on 24/01/2007 23:30:22
All they have to do is change drone minerals so that they dont refine into tons of high ends but instead turn into tons of low ends. These are not worth transporting back to empire hence it will not crash the mineral market. Drones could be given bounties to compensate for the loss in refine value.
 Originally by: Lissett
So far I've read about 20 of these fix empire posts and skipped over many, many more. To date, noone has ever successfully posited a valid reason as to why empire needs fixing.
Low sec is empty... so what?
There's noone to kill in "my" system... so what?
Lets just leave this horse alone and go back to bashing Amarr or discussing capital mining ships.
How about 0.0 mining became a waste of time? My exhumer's fall asleep crying at night. 
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.25 00:20:00 -
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The base price of Zydrine is 1024.
The base price of Megacyte is 4096.
Drop, zydrine, drop! 
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ScreamingLord Sutch
Hand in Mouth
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Posted - 2007.01.25 00:30:00 -
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The beauty of eve is that the prices are dynamic, learn to live with it.
It's not a problem.
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sableye
principle of motion
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.25 00:31:00 -
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Originally by: Dark Shikari
The base price of Zydrine is 1024.
The base price of Megacyte is 4096.
Drop, zydrine, drop!
I guess I'm not only one who though of that being the zyd base price, i am sure it used to be, but somewhere along line it got changed to 2048.
http://www.eve-online.com/itemdatabase/manufactureresearch/materials/minerals/39.asp
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Ander
Gallente
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
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Posted - 2007.01.25 01:24:00 -
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Turn EVE into a real supply and demands game :) Make belts in empire respawn VERY slow...
result: more people to low-sec!
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Nadarius Chrome
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.01.25 03:37:00 -
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Edited by: Nadarius Chrome on 25/01/2007 03:35:06
Originally by: PirateShampoo
Please excuse me if I am wrong but I was under the impression it was the drone loot (crystals refined to high end mins) that alliances like yours (Ka-Tet) are producing that are flooding empire and driving down the prices?
Game Set Match to this man. :) OP simply wants more for his loot.
I'm with the people who prefer supply/demand to set the price. Otherwise we might as well just have NPC vendors for everything. This way, people can spot trends, stockpile goods, speculate on the market as it were. Variances in price allow people with a freighter to make some coin if differences are big enough. The system works, why mess with it?
edit: The guy above me is obviously looking after his own best interests too. Sheesh people, learn to look beyond your own nose for once.
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ghosttr
Amarr
Point-Zero
Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.25 04:09:00 -
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As far as I have understood wants to get people out of empire, and into 0.0. They have introduced exploration and boosters as extras to get people to 0.0(yes btw CCP, where are my boosters, they are rarer than T2 bpos, and i need my fix ). I think they tried to release enough new ships and items to increase demand, and the drone regions to fill that demand (anyone remember the extreme prices right after patch ). They tried to foresee that the market would do, but the demand shifted so that low ends became in higher demand, and after the initial price surge in high-ends prices have fallen. Just think, if they handnt introduced the new regions and only introduced new stuff, all prices would have risen, and we would be complaining about 6k mega & zyd. They increased the demand for highs as well as the supply, but did not increase the supply for lows.
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Mr Li
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Posted - 2007.01.25 04:21:00 -
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why do price fluctuations need a "solution"? Let the market work, please.
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Lardarz B'stard
Amarr
Dark Knights of Deneb
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.25 04:32:00 -
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There is nothing "wrong" with mineral prices.
If you are unable to buy them / build and trade profitably it is you that is at fault, not the economy.
Its great being Amarr, and having 27 charisma, isn't it?
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Niccolado Starwalker
Shadow Templars
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Posted - 2007.01.25 08:15:00 -
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Originally by: Lardarz B'stard
There is nothing "wrong" with mineral prices.
If you are unable to buy them / build and trade profitably it is you that is at fault, not the economy.
Its very typical really. The low sec/deep spacers want easy targets to kill, but when it leads to rising prices the solution is ofcource to regulate the prices. That is part of SOE messed up in SWG. They started to destroy the PC market for PC products with NPC products, which ofcource all had NPC prices.
Leave the market alone. Sometimes the prices get high in deep space. sometimes it get low. Sometimes it get high in empire. Sometimes it get low. And whatever it is it will attract people. When its high in deep space it might attract more people, which will press the price down again. And if its high in empire it will attract people, which will press the price down.
Dont try to fix something which is allready working as planned. You will usually mess it up, and leave it in a definitely worse condition then it was to start with!!
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Rodj Blake
Amarr
PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.25 08:24:00 -
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If you think that low-end mineral prices are too high, why not go out and mine some scordite?
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AKULA UrQuan
Caldari
STK Scientific
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Posted - 2007.01.25 08:41:00 -
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There's alot of hulks sucking on crokite/ark out in 0.0 these days. The with the new drone regions is the belts are kinda screwed so the high ends comming out of there isn't the sole reason for the current low prices.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.25 08:48:00 -
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Originally by: AKULA UrQuan
The new drone regions is the belts are kinda screwed so the high ends comming out of there isn't the sole reason for the current low prices.
Yeah it is, please nerf it CCP so my barge can feel the love again 
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.25 08:58:00 -
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Originally by: PirateShampoo
Please excuse me if I am wrong but I was under the impression it was the drone loot (crystals refined to high end mins) that alliances like yours (Ka-Tet) are producing that are flooding empire and driving down the prices?
So true! 
They are trying to drive up their own profits
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Redbad
Minmatar
Be Inspired Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.25 10:49:00 -
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Welcome to EVE, where we have a real market. 
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El Verbatim
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Posted - 2007.01.25 12:19:00 -
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Edited by: El Verbatim on 25/01/2007 12:15:32
Originally by: Anaalys Fluuterby
Easy way to get lower mineral prices?
People quit ganking CareBears and miners in Empire so that the results of their mining actually get to market.
Pierats quit attacking miners in LoSec so that their minerals actually get to market.
Quit PvPing so that builders have to replace fewer ships.
Any of the above would help with prices and also increase the number of miners, hence increasing supply. Of course its all player-driven, so CCP should NOT do anything about it and let the market and players run their course.
Lol, could go further with this offcourse.
Why doesn't everyone stop logging in into the game, nobody will care anymore about the isk prices. CCP will worry about other prices but that's their problem
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Cipher7
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Posted - 2007.01.25 13:15:00 -
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Supply and Demand.
No communism in Eve please.
If the price of trit is too high...go mine some.
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Malcanis
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Posted - 2007.01.25 13:16:00 -
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Originally by: Ander
Turn EVE into a real supply and demands game :) Make belts in empire respawn VERY slow...
result: more people to low-sec!
And people being a lot more ready to pick on macro-miners
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hydraSlav
Synergy Evolved
Serenity Fallen
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Posted - 2007.01.25 14:46:00 -
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Supply and Demand, like everyone else said
There is absolutely nothing that needs fixing. I mine Crokite myself. Prices for Zydrine nosedived, virtually cutting the profits in half. Yet i still don't think there is anything wrong with that. In fact, i am loving EvE even more after this true show of player-driven supply and demand
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Worms Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.25 14:58:00 -
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its supply and demand, EVE minerals do not work like those Criminals in OPEC. the EVE market is real supply and demand.(outside of Tech II which does work like the crime family known as OPEC).
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Hamfast
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.25 15:10:00 -
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Oh, yes let the government (CCP) set the prices and fix the problems in the market... that will work... just like it has everyplace else...
</sarcasm>
Personally, I think Law Makers should learn from Eve, not the other way around.
Noob in training...
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Jason Marshall
Hammer Of Light
Astral Wolves
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Posted - 2007.01.25 15:46:00 -
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My 2 isk....sad that wont even get me a unit of trit anymore =\.
I believe the sudden increase in low end min prices has come from the higher demand for the minerals due to production of the new ships. I think it will start to fall by the end of febuary. On another note, the minerals you get from compounds need to change. You should be getting alot mroe trit then you are zydrine. Trit should be easier to obtain (Veldspar boost for chib) so its economically viable. Because its much more efficient to, like alot of you are saying, mine higer value ores and sell then turn around and buy the trit you need. So there needs to be a change in the drones, they are litterally going to be ratted into worthlessness.
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