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CherniyVolk	Posted - 2007.01.24 23:03:00 - [1] Hi, this is more a study than anything else. I would like input from other pilots as too the average amount of isks on-hand in their wallet at any given point in time; along with some asset statistics. Along with how you go about funding your "T2 lifestyle". This can benefit the Industrialists somewhat I suppose. I never saw any official consumer stats so most claims by HAC manufacturers and resellers is probably speculation at best. A hidden agenda here is also to those resellers who think the money is in 1.0 systems, when I assert, the real purchase power is in 0.0/low-sec near 0.0 systems. So, the following is my HAC pilot stats and a little bit on habits for the industrialists. Assumptions: If you can fly a T2 ship, you will refuse to fly a T1 ship of the same class. You don't avoid PvP and your T2 ships aren't for bragging but for actual use. You live, primarily, in low-sec and or 0.0. When I flew AFs, I averaged anywhere from 200 to 400 million in the wallet at all times. A fully fitted Gallente AF is 30-40 million a pop, give or take. Flying Assault Frigates forced me into 0.0 ratting as ratting has been my primary method of making isks. Assault Frigate Stats: Average Monetary Value: 200-400 million isk Lowest Monetary Value: ~100 million isk Highest Monetary Value: ~700 million isk Average Number of AFs within 5 jumps: 2 ships. Average Number of AFs owned: 4 ships Highest Number of AFs owned: 10 ships Lowest Number of AFs owned: 2 ships Occupation: 0.0 NPC Ratting When I graduated to HAC/CS, 200 million in the wallet is virtually 'flat-broke'. My 0.0 ratting forced me from dual 500K BS spawns to only the highest quality 0.0 ratting areas that spawned triple 1.8 spawns. Average amount of isks in wallet was 900-1100 million. Heavy Assault Ship Stats: Average Monetary Value: 900-1100 million isks Lowest Monetary Value: ~500 million isks Highest Monetary Value: ~2200 million isks Average Number of HACs within 5 jumps: 1 ship Average Number of HACs in ownership: 2 1/2 ships Highest Number of HACs owned: 4 Lowest Number of HACs owned: 2 Occupation: Highest quality 0.0 ratting Keep in mind, this is in disregard to assets. While assets are certainly considered during appraisal, it's not really immediate buying power. "downtimes" for me, are when I decide to rat. I usually take go for ratting spree's which permit me to nearly make a billion isks within a week in a high quality area. I try to avoid confrontations during these times, and earn as much as I can until the next required corporation/alliance operation or I get sick and tired of ratting and dive my HAC into a suicide gate camp just for something new and different. The longest ratting periods are around two weeks non-stop from time I log in, to time I log off; within this time I either hit an Officer Spawn (pay day), get called in for assistance, reach a financial goal... When Purchasing Items Availability: Half the reason I'm able to accumulate so much isks and keep a "high" average is because the only times I buy something is when I need it. If things were "available", I'd be more likely to just spend for the sake of spending. When I go to purchase a new HAC, unless it's obvious the seller is overly greedy, I simply buy the one closest to me, low-sec, 0.0 doesn't matter. To travel 80 jumps to the nearest 1.0 system (even if it means saving 100 million per item) is ridiculous. Remember, time is money for me too. The time it takes to travel the 30 jumps to the 0.0 entrace point, wait for the gate camp to disperse, jump through, log off to sleep, work and get back on again, travel through high-sec, sit in jump-queues, annoyed by the newbs, get my HAC at 90 million cheaper, and go through it all again just to get back to 0.0.... it can take days, and I am able to make a billion a week mind you where I'm at. Does this mean I'll pay 300 million for the HAC? No, out of protest, I'll go to Empire.
Kehmor Caldari PAK	Posted - 2007.01.24 23:09:00 - [2] I wouldn't say I ever really have significant isk on hand. If i have isk I spend it, if i need isk I get it.
Majin82 Caldari g guild	Posted - 2007.01.24 23:22:00 - [3] I have had lots of ISK for a long time, I buy what I need and most times extra so I don't find my self in a situation of needing. Also, the market is getting so out of hand that it's almost stupid to pay for T2 items. Anyone bought a T2 Invul. Field lately? How's you wallet? Cerberus anyone? What... Drake is more bang for the inflated buck... who knew? I use to make an effort of ballancing the market in my region. I would buy up as much of an item as I could and then resell them for cheaper at loss to me. Only problem is that people don't seem to have a problem paying out the ass, someone would just buy all my items at cheap and then sell them for much more and they would still sell. CCP needs start having empire NPC stations sell some T2 items, or the prices are gonna keep getting worse as people keep pushing the price up higher and higher. I know how bad an idea that is, but how do you fix the problem at hand? ------------------------------------- The difference between a Pirate and an Anti-Pirate is that an Anti-Pirate fights ships fitted with guns! Passive Drake For The Win
Cubicla Monkey	Posted - 2007.01.24 23:49:00 - [4] ceptors currently owned: 2 ceptors max owned owned: 3 ceptors on average: 2 assault friggs owned: 3 assault friggs max owned: 3 assault friggs on average: 1 wallet: between 10M and 50M depending how lucky I am wallet max: 400M assets: 400 - 500M occupation: mostly pvp. But do other stuff to make money. Including mining and running missions. Not so much ratting, cause to boring.
Skybar Minmatar Deviance Inc	Posted - 2007.01.25 00:04:00 - [5] Originally by: Majin82 I have had lots of ISK for a long time, I buy what I need and most times extra so I don't find my self in a situation of needing. Also, the market is getting so out of hand that it's almost stupid to pay for T2 items. Anyone bought a T2 Invul. Field lately? How's you wallet? Cerberus anyone? What... Drake is more bang for the inflated buck... who knew? I use to make an effort of ballancing the market in my region. I would buy up as much of an item as I could and then resell them for cheaper at loss to me. Only problem is that people don't seem to have a problem paying out the ass, someone would just buy all my items at cheap and then sell them for much more and they would still sell. CCP needs start having empire NPC stations sell some T2 items, or the prices are gonna keep getting worse as people keep pushing the price up higher and higher. I know how bad an idea that is, but how do you fix the problem at hand? You've probably heard it before, but it's simple supply and demand at work here. Every day there are new players able to fly a new (battle)cruiser class - Recons, HAC's, BC's and so on, which makes the demand increase to beyond what it has been before. As long as people keep buying it, it will get sold at that price. While your action of reselling for loss may be of good reason, it is just foolish. There are people who Trade by buying the cheap stuff, especially if its in large amounts. So I'm afraid that tactic wont work. Give isk to a newbie instead :) Please resize e-peen to a maximum of 150x40R, not exceeding 0.5kg, ty. If you would like further improve epeen please mail [email protected] - Rocco
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.01.25 00:44:00 - [6] I don't really fit the mold of the typical T2 ship flier I doubt... at least not from what has been mentioned so far. I started out as a mission runner who used a Raven for level 3's before it was fairly common to do so. I used a ferox for level 2's. I like overkill in missions to make them cake. I made well over a billion isk on level 3's in about a months time with less than 2.5 mil SPs. I did this primarily by selling all the loot I'd get on the market. I then started trading a bit, making more money slowly. When I had several billion I started working up my trade skills heavily and I've done trading primarily ever since. I have more isk then I could ever use, even if I wanted to outfit multiple officer/faction ships. I initially thought T2 ships were stupid. They cost a lot and weren't too hot compared to Battleships, I didn't see the reason to use em. But I decided to train for them since I had all my support skills to level 4. I finally got assault frigates and I bought a hawk and harpy to see how they were, since people said they ran level 3's in them. I absolutely hated them, they were useless on level 3's... horrendously slow, so I just left them in my hangar as I trained for HAC's. I got an Eagle and a Cerb as soon as I got the skills to use em and I outfitted em with all T2 gear as I do with every ship I fly. Took them out into level 3's since people love HAC's so much I was sure they would rock. Hated the Eagle, the Cerb was remotely decent... kinda like the Caracal but with a decent tank. Overall though I felt they both sucked and were worthless so they just sat in my hangar. I stopped working towards command ships because I was sure I'd hate them too, especially since the Nighthawk was being panned at the time by so many people. Then the drake came out and I flew it instead of my Raven, it worked better for most everything on level 3's and passive tanks are easier to AFK missions with. But I did number crunching and realized the Nighthawk was a better tank and DPS so I trained for it and bought one, T2 outfitted as usual. I LOVE IT. Best ship I've flown, tanked an entire side of Angel Strike 10of10 final stage without dropping below 91% shields (passive tank). The other side got me to 86%. I sold my eagle + cerb, I see no reason I'd ever want to fly them... they are worthless to me. My Hawk and Harpy I use for level 1 mission running, to get faction with other corps. Then my drake would take over for level 2's and my nighthawk for level 3's. So I have had one of each max, now have 0 HAC's. I always buy T2 mods, don't care about the price, but I am a trader so I generally get them at 10-20% less than the market sell price unless I'm in a rush then I just pay whatever it costs in my system. T2 Invulns are pocket change, I have 7 sitting in a container in my hangar incase I need em at some point for a new ship. I have 4-6 of all T2 hardeners and 2-3 of each amplifier for this purpose... I have 6-7 arbalest launchers of each type incase I need em, prototypes of each type, etc. I can't use T2 weapons yet, working on it shortly. I know this isn't in the format you usually use... but I don't feel like I fit any of the general usage patterns. I havn't done any PvP yet, I'm enjoying the market/industrial part of the game so far... I generally try to wear out the PvE in a game before I get to the PvP, then I take that over as best as I can and then I quit. When I do start to PvP I'll prob make sure I have the money to buy myself a Dreadnaught, a Carrier or Mothership and enough left over to have any smaller ships I need. I primarily PvP'd in DAOC, became a heavy PvP'er in WOW... but in EVE I dislike the idea of losing my implants if I PvP'd. I could replace them forever basically... but it just irks me, so I don't do it yet. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Foulis Minmatar Chosen Path Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.25 01:03:00 - [7] Assault Frigate Stats: Average Monetary Value: 40-50 mill Lowest Monetary Value: -5 mill Highest Monetary Value: ~100 mill Average Number of AFs within 5 jumps: 0.00004 (I work in 0.0) Average Number of AFs owned: 6 Highest Number of AFs owned: 12 (1 of each type, doubles of my favs) Lowest Number of AFs owned: 1 Occupation: 0.0 Alliance PvP ---- Originally by: Nikolai Nuvolari NO WORDS IN THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE ARE SPELLED WITH THE NUMBER "8" IN THEM GODDAMNIT!
xHalcyonx Amarr EmpiresMod	Posted - 2007.01.25 01:05:00 - [8] Edited by: xHalcyonx on 25/01/2007 01:01:55 Originally by: Shadarle I don't really fit the mold of the typical T2 ship flier I doubt... at least not from what has been mentioned so far. I started out as a mission runner who used a Raven for level 3's before it was fairly common to do so. I used a ferox for level 2's. I like overkill in missions to make them cake. I made well over a billion isk on level 3's in about a months time with less than 2.5 mil SPs. I did this primarily by selling all the loot I'd get on the market. I then started trading a bit, making more money slowly. When I had several billion I started working up my trade skills heavily and I've done trading primarily ever since. I have more isk then I could ever use, even if I wanted to outfit multiple officer/faction ships. I wish I had about 2 bil isk to buy myself a decent character, I borked this character up pretty bad. I'm at about 3.9 mil SP (I should be around 6 mil SP) and My learning skills will be finished Saturday. I intend to use a Passive Drake (175 shield regen/second 72% Kin / 63% Therm resists for Guristas missions). I might go Nighthawk after that, if it's any better than a passive drake setup. Edit: Grammar ftw!
Taipan Gedscho Taipan Industries	Posted - 2007.01.25 01:16:00 - [9] Originally by: Shadarle and my nighthawk for level 3's. normally im the last one to say what you should fly for your mishes. overkill is fine for me. if you want a mothership for those non DS mishes, so be it... BUT a nighthawk for 3s... THAT HURTS!
Merull	Posted - 2007.01.25 01:38:00 - [10] AFs: 2 Average isk: 50mil Highest isk: 200mil Lowest isk: <1mil I generally run missions and mine for my isk. Plus some PvP when we are at war or hunting pirates /ALT Post

Mortuus Minmatar Just-fun	Posted - 2007.01.25 03:41:00 - [11] AF's Owned: 4 Ceptors Owned: 3 CS Owned: 3 Interdictors: lots, I got through Flycatchers and Sabres pretty quick. Money in wallet, 150mil ISK at any time. Profession, PvP. ex-Occassus Republica <3
korrey Taurus Inc	Posted - 2007.01.25 03:52:00 - [12] I feel much better about myself. I seriously wanted to know this kind of question, but I keep 250mil isk in my wallet at all times if I can. After buying a HAC and such I stay at 100mil then slowly work back up and before I break 250mil I buy something else expensive lol. I dont think ill ever have 400mil + in my wallet while im using T2 ships. The other thing is I only keep one or two ships of a kind near me. Average amount of AF's within 10 jumps - 3 Average amount of HACs within 10 jumps - 2 Most HAC's owned at one time - 4 Most AF's owned at one time - 3 Average amount of isk I strive to keep in my wallet - 200+ ----------- 24.01.06 Small patch that addresses some minor balancing issues 1) All minmatar pilots have been deleted
Angus McLean Gallente Divinity Trials	Posted - 2007.01.25 03:54:00 - [13] Has anyone else noticed us PvP fella's never make much money , we should protest that new players fit as much T2 on their ships as soon as possible and come to 0.0 to make money. Then we kill them and get more T2/faction gear, im tired of picking up best named missile launchers... (Which actually sell quite a lot, but not as much as it could had it been T2.)
Scordite	Posted - 2007.01.25 06:34:00 - [14] Originally by: Majin82 Also, the market is getting so out of hand that it's almost stupid to pay for T2 items. Missions seem more worthwhile now while rig prices are crazy, which means less people mine, which means more expensive everything? ----------------------------------------------- The only legitimate use of the BLINK tag: Schr÷dinger's cat is [BLINK] not [/BLINK] dead.
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2007.01.25 07:08:00 - [15] to the op: It's truly stupid to have those amounts of dead isk in your wallet, heh
Shadarle	Posted - 2007.01.25 07:37:00 - [16] Originally by: Taipan Gedscho Originally by: Shadarle and my nighthawk for level 3's. normally im the last one to say what you should fly for your mishes. overkill is fine for me. if you want a mothership for those non DS mishes, so be it... BUT a nighthawk for 3s... THAT HURTS! I don't see why a Nighthawk on level 3's hurts. It has heavy launchers and it runs them easier than a Raven or Drake, why not use it? Money is no objective, overkill is the entire point. But honestly I don't feel like it's such overkill... it doesn't really put out amazing DPS, just slightly better than a drake (which is less than a Raven against Battleships). So on level 4's it would run them quite slowly, albeit fairly safely. And to the person who asked if the Nighthawk passive tanked better than a Drake... yes, it does. A lot better, it's in an entirely different league, especially vs Guristas. Tanking Setups Compared Stacking Penalty / Resists Explained
Kagura Nikon Minmatar MASS HOMICIDE FREGE Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.25 09:45:00 - [17] No one with anything on the mind would think purchase power is on high sec. Since i went to 0.0 I can make in 1 day there what it took me 1 month to do in level 4 missions. The exception is obviously if you hage a hge production plant or a rare t2 BPO then you can make money anywhere... If brute force doesn't solve your problem.. then you are not using enough!!
Rod Blaine Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.25 10:01:00 - [18] Edited by: Rod Blaine on 25/01/2007 10:00:31 Money in wallet: 0-50m t2 ships in hangar: 1-5 t2 ships accesible: whatever i need. Welcome to communism people. It works, in Eve at least. As to the purchasing power, that may be in 0.0 mostly yes, but the good 0.0 groups also tend to have good logistics, which often mean they aren't buying from the market as much as they would individually. But yes, selling stuff in for example agil measn you can get better isk then in Jita, fairly obvious isn't it ? Old blog Originally by: Vriezuh Naz: John is a realist
AKULA UrQuan Caldari STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.01.25 10:22:00 - [19] wallet - rarely above 200M T2 ships: 5 (Interceptors/coverts) T1 ships full T2 fittings: 3 T1 ships with mixed t1/t2 fitting: 2 Alot of spare t2 gear just hanging around waiting for a ship. Rod Blaine does have a point with communism in eve. It does work but the catch is everyone has to play along.
mematar The Raven Warriors	Posted - 2007.01.25 10:29:00 - [20] My wallet shows 50-100m usually because I tend to waste the money as soon as I get it on pimped out items and stuff, for example my Nanophoon is hell of a expensive, so is my head.

j0rz Gallente Dark Entropy Apocalyptica.	Posted - 2007.01.25 11:40:00 - [21] AF: 16 Hac:4 CS:7 BS:16 exshumer:3 carrier:1 dread: 1 transport ships:2 frighter:1 afew accounts i ncp mine trade etc.. avrage wallet over all chars is 4bill max that it is atm is 11bill
Jadiin Mindstar Technology United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2007.01.25 13:03:00 - [22] Edited by: Jadiin on 25/01/2007 13:00:24 Originally by: j0rz AF: 16 Hac:4 CS:7 BS:16 exshumer:3 carrier:1 dread: 1 transport ships:2 frighter:1 afew accounts i ncp mine trade etc.. avrage wallet over all chars is 4bill max that it is atm is 11bill Show off. I usually, regardless of what I'm flying have between 50 to 100 mill. As someone said above, I need isk I run L4's till I have it. Currently I'm much richer at circa 300 mill (richest I've ever been at any one time) along with a handful of T2 ships and 2 ravens. Got a spending spree coming up in the next few days so my assets will rise but I'm gonna have alot less cash.
Setana Manoro Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2007.01.25 13:15:00 - [23] Edited by: Setana Manoro on 25/01/2007 13:14:25 Originally by: Rod Blaine Edited by: Rod Blaine on 25/01/2007 10:00:31 Money in wallet: 0-50m t2 ships in hangar: 1-5 t2 ships accesible: whatever i need. Welcome to communism people. It works, in Eve at least. As to the purchasing power, that may be in 0.0 mostly yes, but the good 0.0 groups also tend to have good logistics, which often mean they aren't buying from the market as much as they would individually. But yes, selling stuff in for example agil measn you can get better isk then in Jita, fairly obvious isn't it ? If you are happy being told what to do and when to do it while being at the foot of you're big wig ... then it must work for you. It would turn EVE in CS for me ... a place where just points on the killboard would become significant as I wouldn't play for anything else. -------------------------------------------------- Always look on the bright side of life. :)
Amouder Dis	Posted - 2007.01.25 15:58:00 - [24] Edited by: Amouder Dis on 25/01/2007 15:54:55
Deathbarrage	Posted - 2007.01.25 20:19:00 - [25] Originally by: Jadiin Edited by: Jadiin on 25/01/2007 13:00:24 Originally by: j0rz AF: 16 Hac:4 CS:7 BS:16 exshumer:3 carrier:1 dread: 1 transport ships:2 frighter:1 afew accounts i ncp mine trade etc.. avrage wallet over all chars is 4bill max that it is atm is 11bill Show off. I usually, regardless of what I'm flying have between 50 to 100 mill. As someone said above, I need isk I run L4's till I have it. Currently I'm much richer at circa 300 mill (richest I've ever been at any one time) along with a handful of T2 ships and 2 ravens. Got a spending spree coming up in the next few days so my assets will rise but I'm gonna have alot less cash. People that show off their stuff like that usually have about 1/10th of it... Why have 16 AF and 16 BS it's just bull**** looks nice, or 7 command ships for that matter
Arleonenis Minmatar Republic Defenders	Posted - 2007.01.25 21:18:00 - [26] average cash around 200-300 lowest 30 atm highest 700-800 CS 3 (absolution, nighthawk x2) AF 5 or 6 Ceptors around 3 BS hmmm 3 i suppose (apoc, abaddon... hmmm maybe raven and tempest) HAC 1 or 2 (munnin and probably maybe sacri if i didnt already sold that brick) tech 1... hmmm no idea i reprocessed quite a lot lately to build abaddon spare fittings... hmmm almost full hangar in my main station/base, hundred or two items in each of my temporary bases, mostly junk wating for reprocessing, some named stuff some tech2 items i dont use atm/spare fittings well amount of cash depends on my shopping, rigs are quite costly and T2 fittings too, if im going for quite a few items it my go close to bottom with prices out there occupation: everquest 2 lately :P Im not english native speaker, so for all those US players that think english is the language of the universe: dont point mistakes or write something in my language so I can laugh
lllllllllllopo	Posted - 2007.01.25 21:49:00 - [27] Originally by: Deathbarrage Originally by: Jadiin Edited by: Jadiin on 25/01/2007 13:00:24 Originally by: j0rz AF: 16 Hac:4 CS:7 BS:16 exshumer:3 carrier:1 dread: 1 transport ships:2 frighter:1 afew accounts i ncp mine trade etc.. avrage wallet over all chars is 4bill max that it is atm is 11bill Show off. I usually, regardless of what I'm flying have between 50 to 100 mill. As someone said above, I need isk I run L4's till I have it. Currently I'm much richer at circa 300 mill (richest I've ever been at any one time) along with a handful of T2 ships and 2 ravens. Got a spending spree coming up in the next few days so my assets will rise but I'm gonna have alot less cash. People that show off their stuff like that usually have about 1/10th of it... Why have 16 AF and 16 BS it's just bull**** looks nice, or 7 command ships for that matter War stockpiles, to lazy to switch fittings on ships, there are plenty of reasons.
Xoduse Beasts of Burden	Posted - 2007.01.26 05:32:00 - [28] T2 is broken, even with invention. How far have the Covert Ops cloaks dropped? Oh wait invention cant help those because there is no T1 Covert Ops cloak. A corp mate(s) of mine had a great idea. Each player can only have in their ASSETS one T2 BPO of the same type. IE you can have 1 Covert ops cloak bpo, 1 HAC bpo, etc...But not multiples of the SAME bpo, this way large corps/alliances/isk farmers cannot run any type of monopoly. Potential Problem: People will just use time cards to spread their BPOs across alt accounts, and run the monopoly that way. The Solution: Bind any T2 bpo to the player's account and the only way they can sell it is to an NPC for LP/RP/isk. This way T2 bpos are given out evenly by CCP themselves, and no BPOs would be handed between players. Oh and then the T2 BPO should disappear after being inactive in any type of research/manufacuring for a certain amount of time ,(Dont know if this has already been done?) and then be reseeded via the research system. This way if 15 T2 BPOs of any type are seeded its guranteed that there are 15 different people competing to sell their product at a fair price. Lets just hope most of them arent jerks and all agree to set them to some ridiculous price anyway. ---------------------
king jks Privateers Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.26 06:54:00 - [29] T2 ships owned: 7 (transport ships, AFs, cov ops, recons) Max owned: 10 Minimum owned: 0 Max wallet: 450mil Minimum wallet: 23mil Right now: 220mil My wallet fluctuates quite largely, I'm an impulse buyer with ADD, and those two things don't mix... ------------------------ Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds. -Albert Einstein


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