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TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
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Posted - 2016.01.17 13:38:20 -
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Hi!
Lowsec PVP is becoming pretty frustating to me, there are 2 reasons for that:
1. Out of 100 guys, 95 is fitted with warp core stabs, and just farming plexes in the so called thing "Factional WARFARE".
My typical roaming takes like 1 hour, I tackle 30 ships, but can only shoot down 2. It's frustrating.
2. Blobs. This is the lesser problem, because if you are well prepared, you can take down 2-3-4 or more ships, depending on your ship and theirs. Of course pvp is always a gamble, so you can't succeed all the time, especially if you get a blob of 10 or 20+, which is pretty common.
I think we all know, and can feel that in the past years nerfs, buffs, changes etc pushed solo pvp closer to the edge of vanishing (not just in low-sec, but for now let's concentrate at that). It's still possible, it's still here, but it's harder and harder to get, and succeed in.
I think there should be places, "PVP arenas", where people could truly fight 1v1, if they choose to.
- there could be different sizes of arenas (novice, small, medium, large) - with ship restrictions
- arenas could be opened like FW complexes - with warping to them - it would show up on overview
- if you warp to an arena, and enter trough the gate, only one another player can enter after you
- as soon as there are 2 players present in an arena (2nd players gate activation), none of them could warp away (until you are alone, you can warp off)
- as soon as one ship blows up, players can warp out - so you won't lose your pod too
- after both players warp out the arena vanishes - winner can stay and wait for another player to fight
An extra idea:
- there could also be some kind of reward on top of the fun, like winner gets some % of the price of the loser's ship, or some kind of LP reward etc etc
This is a pretty rudimentary idea, but what do you guys think? If you like the idea and have any additional toughts, please post it.
Thanks!
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Iain Cariaba
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Posted - 2016.01.17 13:54:06 -
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Has been suggested several times and has consistently had negative responses. In fact, one of the devs once posted that CCP was going to implement an arena like idea, but the overwhelingly negative backlash got that idea pulled.
So, yeah... no.
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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Legion
17107
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Posted - 2016.01.17 13:55:05 -
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Arenas are not compatible with a game such as EVE.
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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
15809
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Posted - 2016.01.17 14:01:24 -
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There is almost nothing more fundamentally against the concept of a single shard PvP game than this.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
pwn-O-graphy
155
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Posted - 2016.01.17 14:09:29 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:There is almost nothing more fundamentally against the concept of a single shard PvP game than this.
Could you please explain? |
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
15809
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Posted - 2016.01.17 14:14:03 -
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TKL HUN wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:There is almost nothing more fundamentally against the concept of a single shard PvP game than this.
Could you please explain?
If you understood what "single shard" meant, then I wouldn't have to.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
pwn-O-graphy
155
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Posted - 2016.01.17 14:24:02 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:TKL HUN wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:There is almost nothing more fundamentally against the concept of a single shard PvP game than this.
Could you please explain? If you understood what "single shard" meant, then I wouldn't have to.
I know what you mean, everyone in the same "space". I don't think that this would ruin anything about that "feeling". |
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
15809
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Posted - 2016.01.17 14:33:14 -
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TKL HUN wrote: I don't think that this would ruin anything about that "feeling".
Quote:- if you warp to an arena, and enter trough the gate, only one another player can enter after you
Care to try again?
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Rivr Luzade
Kenshin.
DARKNESS.
2218
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Posted - 2016.01.17 14:41:30 -
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Would it not? Let's see: You are currently required to fit a specific fitting in order to catch those stabbed FW plex runners, which means that you can fight them but potentially not other things. Or you need to observe your surroundings when you roam around and learn a bit about common hot droppers (about bait cyno Drakes, for instance) and cannot shoot everything mindlessly. You enter a gamble when you want to PVP, as you said.
Your arenas remove that gamble. Your arenas remove variety (even if it does not exist in the first place in some people's perception). For more info on why arenas beyond FW plexes and the star systems as gigantic free-for-all arenas are not suitable for EVE, read here.
UI Improvement Collective
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Romana Erebus
Rifterlings
Zero.Four Ops
51
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Posted - 2016.01.17 14:51:38 -
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PVP ARENA = test server. Enjoy. |
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
pwn-O-graphy
155
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Posted - 2016.01.17 14:53:05 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:Would it not? Let's see: You are currently required to fit a specific fitting in order to catch those stabbed FW plex runners, which means that you can fight them but potentially not other things. Or you need to observe your surroundings when you roam around and learn a bit about common hot droppers (about bait cyno Drakes, for instance) and cannot shoot everything mindlessly. You enter a gamble when you want to PVP, as you said. Your arenas remove that gamble. Your arenas remove variety (even if it does not exist in the first place in some people's perception). For more info on why arenas beyond FW plexes and the star systems as gigantic free-for-all arenas are not suitable for EVE, read here.
Would remove variety only if you want it to be removed. If you don't, you don't go inside an arena. |
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
pwn-O-graphy
155
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Posted - 2016.01.17 14:53:54 -
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Romana Erebus wrote:PVP ARENA = test server. Enjoy.
Don't make me laugh... |
Romana Erebus
Rifterlings
Zero.Four Ops
51
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Posted - 2016.01.17 14:53:56 -
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its called teset server aka Singularity. Plenty o arenas there. |
Romana Erebus
Rifterlings
Zero.Four Ops
51
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Posted - 2016.01.17 14:54:42 -
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the idea that we need a seperate arena because you are frustrated with low sec pvp is more funny.  |
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
15809
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Posted - 2016.01.17 14:56:12 -
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TKL HUN wrote:
Would remove variety only if you want it to be removed. If you don't, you don't go inside an arena.
Wrong. It removes variety from everyone. Each and every person in an arena is one less potential target in the rest of the game.
Arenas destroy open world PvP, in every game in which they are introduced. And since EVE is very literally an open world PvP game, you might as well just be asking CCP to turn the servers off.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
pwn-O-graphy
155
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Posted - 2016.01.17 14:56:37 -
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Romana Erebus wrote:the idea that we need a seperate arena because you are frustrated with low sec pvp is more funny.
I don't think it's just me. |
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
pwn-O-graphy
155
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Posted - 2016.01.17 14:59:22 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:TKL HUN wrote:
Would remove variety only if you want it to be removed. If you don't, you don't go inside an arena.
Wrong. It removes variety from everyone. Each and every person in an arena is one less potential target in the rest of the game. Arenas destroy open world PvP, in every game in which they are introduced. And since EVE is very literally an open world PvP game, you might as well just be asking CCP to turn the servers off.
Yes, the person wouldn't be a target for everyone for 5 minutes. And I bet that only a few people would have the balls to enter, so I think "life could go on" outside the arenas. |
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
15809
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Posted - 2016.01.17 15:01:55 -
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TKL HUN wrote:
Yes, the person wouldn't be a target for everyone for 5 minutes.
Lying about your own proposal again?
You straight up said that the winner can stay and wait as long as he likes for someone else to go inside.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
One of ours, ten of theirs.
Best Meltdown Ever.
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Rivr Luzade
Kenshin.
DARKNESS.
2218
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Posted - 2016.01.17 15:05:09 -
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TKL HUN wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:Would it not? Let's see: You are currently required to fit a specific fitting in order to catch those stabbed FW plex runners, which means that you can fight them but potentially not other things. Or you need to observe your surroundings when you roam around and learn a bit about common hot droppers (about bait cyno Drakes, for instance) and cannot shoot everything mindlessly. You enter a gamble when you want to PVP, as you said. Your arenas remove that gamble. Your arenas remove variety (even if it does not exist in the first place in some people's perception). For more info on why arenas beyond FW plexes and the star systems as gigantic free-for-all arenas are not suitable for EVE, read here. Would remove variety only if you want it to be removed. If you don't, you don't go inside an arena.
No, you are fatally wrong there. If you go into the arena, I have 1 less person to encounter on my roam. You won't be the only person to rather go to arenas instead of on roams, which means that I will encounter a lot less people and thus content and thus fun. This is because people like you rather take the path of least resistance to find PVP, which in turn means they will go to arenas to PVP (as they are predictable and safe areas) and remove themselves from the open world. In turn, I won't find targets and will also be drawn into the arenas to find PVP. Variety removed and PVP in the open world destroyed. End of story. The rest of the discussion is available in my link.
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erg cz
Eleutherian Guard
Villore Accords
387
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Posted - 2016.01.17 15:05:33 -
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All arguments and reasons can be found in this thread.
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TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
pwn-O-graphy
155
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Posted - 2016.01.17 15:06:45 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:TKL HUN wrote:
Yes, the person wouldn't be a target for everyone for 5 minutes.
Lying about your own proposal again? You straight up said that the winner can stay and wait as long as he likes for someone else to go inside.
Lying? I guess it's far from lying. Well then after 1 fight the arena could disappear, problem solved. |
TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
pwn-O-graphy
155
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Posted - 2016.01.17 15:09:54 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:TKL HUN wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:Would it not? Let's see: You are currently required to fit a specific fitting in order to catch those stabbed FW plex runners, which means that you can fight them but potentially not other things. Or you need to observe your surroundings when you roam around and learn a bit about common hot droppers (about bait cyno Drakes, for instance) and cannot shoot everything mindlessly. You enter a gamble when you want to PVP, as you said. Your arenas remove that gamble. Your arenas remove variety (even if it does not exist in the first place in some people's perception). For more info on why arenas beyond FW plexes and the star systems as gigantic free-for-all arenas are not suitable for EVE, read here. Would remove variety only if you want it to be removed. If you don't, you don't go inside an arena. No, you are fatally wrong there. If you go into the arena, I have 1 less person to encounter on my roam. You won't be the only person to rather go to arenas instead of on roams, which means that I will encounter a lot less people and thus content and thus fun. This is because people like you rather take the path of least resistance to find PVP, which in turn means they will go to arenas to PVP (as they are predictable and safe areas) and remove themselves from the open world. In turn, I won't find targets and will also be drawn into the arenas to find PVP. Variety removed and PVP in the open world destroyed. End of story. The rest of the discussion is available in my link.
Looking at your KB tells me that you fly in 0.0, what is your problem again? |
Rivr Luzade
Kenshin.
DARKNESS.
2218
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Posted - 2016.01.17 15:16:10 -
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TKL HUN wrote:Looking at your KB tells me that you fly in 0.0, what is your problem again?
Do you know how hard it is already to find PVP in Null sec? Now imagine if these few people would also leave for easier arena PVP. Great perspective.
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TKL HUN
Jugis Modo Utopia
pwn-O-graphy
155
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Posted - 2016.01.17 15:29:38 -
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Rivr Luzade wrote:TKL HUN wrote:Looking at your KB tells me that you fly in 0.0, what is your problem again? Do you know how hard it is already to find PVP in Null sec? Now imagine if these few people would also leave for easier arena PVP. Great perspective.
So we are in the same boots... |
Rivr Luzade
Kenshin.
DARKNESS.
2218
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Posted - 2016.01.17 15:39:21 -
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TKL HUN wrote:Rivr Luzade wrote:TKL HUN wrote:Looking at your KB tells me that you fly in 0.0, what is your problem again? Do you know how hard it is already to find PVP in Null sec? Now imagine if these few people would also leave for easier arena PVP. Great perspective. So we are in the same boots...
Nope, we are not. You want to remove even more of the population. I do not want that.
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ISD Decoy
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
1587
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Posted - 2016.01.17 15:41:48 -
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Locked, see linked thread on the first page (last reply).
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