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See'ker
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Posted - 2007.01.25 20:37:00 -
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 Originally by: Jiekon
Originally by: Zentarion
Give me one example of someone who has done this site successfully. 
no, you stated that EXPLORATION sucked, plenty of people have "explored" sucessfully.
RAWR 
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Zentarion
Infinitus Odium
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.25 20:38:00 -
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Quote:
It takes teamwork and a decent number of people to do these plexes. If your looking for soloing, go back to running missions.
And you just assume that i am a mission runner?
I haven't run a single mission for many months.
I started exploration because of the riches it holds. And that it seems to finally be something worth while doing for ISK.
Have you seen what data-interfaces and the BPCs and Skillbooks sell for on the forums?
And, who does the probing, taking hours to find a good site? Using millions on probes? Yes, the explorer.
And you tell me that i have to share the wealth that you find in them?
Some dude crabs a can/hack can or whatever, and just walks away with the good stuff without telling anyone about it...
Originally by: Jiekon
Originally by: Zentarion
Give me one example of someone who has done this site successfully.
no, you stated that EXPLORATION sucked, plenty of people have "explored" sucessfully.
Yes, i have explored successfully, and and it was enjoyable. Until i found this site and spending all that time and lose 300mill in 2min, that just gives me the signal that maybe that site might be a tad overpowered.
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pshepherd
Caldari
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.01.25 20:40:00 -
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I had a few friends (5 accounts) run something similar. We have a raven tanked for damage, the others all in remote shield tankers. We almost lost the raven to the alpha-strike, but after that, killing the npc's was easy.
Just do that CCP suggest, think outside the box and bring friends 
P.S. Oh dear God exploration is making me rich! 
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Haniblecter Teg
F.R.E.E. Explorer
EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2007.01.25 20:46:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Zentarion
Well so far I've gathered;
5 Hours to find the site.
2 Hours to figure out how to do it.
1 Hour to get a sleipnir, setting it up.
2 min for the rats to pop my sleipnir, loosing 300mill along with it.
Conclusion:
Not ****in Worth It
Exploration sucks donkey *SNIP*
Was it just you? You greedy loser?
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Friends Forever
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munchy
Prison Break Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.25 20:56:00 -
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Edited by: munchy on 25/01/2007 20:53:54
Originally by: Zentarion
Quote:
It takes teamwork and a decent number of people to do these plexes. If your looking for soloing, go back to running missions.
And you just assume that i am a mission runner?
I haven't run a single mission for many months.
I started exploration because of the riches it holds. And that it seems to finally be something worth while doing for ISK.
Have you seen what data-interfaces and the BPCs and Skillbooks sell for on the forums?
And, who does the probing, taking hours to find a good site? Using millions on probes? Yes, the explorer.
And you tell me that i have to share the wealth that you find in them?
Some dude crabs a can/hack can or whatever, and just walks away with the good stuff without telling anyone about it...
Originally by: Jiekon
Originally by: Zentarion
Give me one example of someone who has done this site successfully.
no, you stated that EXPLORATION sucked, plenty of people have "explored" sucessfully.
Yes, i have explored successfully, and and it was enjoyable. Until i found this site and spending all that time and lose 300mill in 2min, that just gives me the signal that maybe that site might be a tad overpowered.
why are you so obsessed with doing it solo? a dev has just TOLD you it takes more than 1 person, and you're in a corp i KNOW is packed full of high experience members. it sounds to me like the reward will be enough for 2 of you. try a scorp with a logistics with it or something. judging by the screenshots, its not too hard, but you need to use sheild/armour/cap transfers.
*edit for spelling*
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Kharakan
Amarr
Morticus Impendium
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Posted - 2007.01.25 20:58:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Azerrad InExile
Heres an idea of what to expect: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=447598
That's the one I was after 
this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
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Xelios
Minmatar
Rampage Eternal
Ka-Tet
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Posted - 2007.01.25 21:15:00 -
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Not all the sites can be done by yourself. You telling me there's no one else in CA you trust to run that site with you and split the loot? Or no one else who would help you with the npc's just for the hell of a new challenge?
I don't think it's overpowered at all, you just don't want to risk having to split the loot with someone else. It's not like you're going to stumble onto a vaga bpo or anything, there's plenty of other sites you can do by yourself that probably have a chance of dropping the same stuff you'll find there. And I can pretty well guarantee that even if you manage to pull off that spawn by yourself there will be others waiting after it, and they might be even harder.
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Zentarion
Infinitus Odium
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.25 21:26:00 -
[38]
Originally by: Xelios
Not all the sites can be done by yourself. You telling me there's no one else in CA you trust to run that site with you and split the loot? Or no one else who would help you with the npc's just for the hell of a new challenge?
I don't mind sharing.
But the amount of people that needs to get involved in doing this specific site, makes me think that it's really not worth the effort. That's all.
Now just let this thread die.
I'm starting to get over my loss already 
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Hllaxiu
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.25 21:38:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Jiekon
surprisingly, deep space, 0.0 hidden sites require more than just 1 person in order to complete. (or they should....)
The real problem is that some deep 0.0 sites are easier than level 3 missions (and don't drop any loot at that!), and some are 10/10 complexes. Its not at all easy to determine which type of site you've found until its far too late to do anything about it.
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Caletha
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Posted - 2007.01.25 22:36:00 -
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Perhaps instead of trying to let the sleipnir run the tank, let it run a buffer + resists only. Get logistic ships to run the tank. Not that hard and works on pretty much every scale. If in doubt, add more logistics
If the sleipnir doesnt work, take one of the new BS like the Rokh, set it up like this:
Hi:
Whatever
Mid:
1x Explosive T2
1x Photon T2
1x Heat T2
1x Ballistic T2
2x Invul T2
Low:
4x T2 PDS
1x T2 Damage Control
Rigs:
3x Core Defence Field Extender I
End result with BS lvl 4:
18856 shield (with my skills)
80.7% EM
92.3% Explosive
88.4% Kinetic
84.6% Thermal
Without using faction gear, this gives damned good resists with a buffer that should last long enough for your logistic buddies to warp in and shield rep you.
You dont even need actual logistic ships, 2 or 3 domi's with cap rechargers + medium / large shield reps work just fine. If not, add more.
Another option is to try and speed tank, I've never tried that myself though. Principle is the same, get a large buffer on a small ship, speed mods etc on it, and keep it moving.
Count yourself lucky though, I've only found this bugged crap:
http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=451509
Nothing more then a couple of cruisers... And thats in 0.0 too 
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pshepherd
Caldari
Dark-Rising
Fallen Souls
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Posted - 2007.01.26 00:25:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Hllaxiu
Its not at all easy to determine which type of site you've found until its far too late to do anything about it.
I use a suicide frigate or shuttle
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princess minervia
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Posted - 2007.01.26 00:40:00 -
[42]
Angel Provisional HQ Complex..... Un-Doable.
Massive Lag and insta lock and fire from npc's. Lost 2 Fully and tanked t2 bs's in under 20 secs.
It was entered 4 more times in various ships to yield the same result..
Fly in with 20 friends and they will probably all die, so don't do it.
I have found over 60 plex, arcsals, hack and mining belts in .o space... Believe me if you find this site as listed above. Run far far away.. And hand over the book-mark to someone that you dont like...lolol
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Marcus TheMartin
Gallente
Tuxedo.
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Posted - 2007.01.26 04:13:00 -
[43]
Wait your telling me not one of you even attempted at brining humor into this post based upon the title he gave it!?
Thats it every one loses at the forums today 
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Zentarion
Infinitus Odium
Curse Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.27 22:17:00 -
[44]
Reincarnation Process Successful...
I finished it.
Conclusion:
Not ****in Worth It 
Exploration sucks donkey a$$
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Plutoinum
German Cyberdome Corp
Cult of War
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Posted - 2007.01.27 23:24:00 -
[45]
Edited by: Plutoinum on 27/01/2007 23:21:30
Actually agressing and kiting the rats with some fast AB frig was something that I also had in mind at one site. Just didn't really believe that it works.
Well, guess it gets nerfed, before I get the chance to try it out now. Devs don't like kiting rats, that's one reason why we have deadspace. 
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Originally by: Patch86
Combat in EVE is non-consensual. Unlike most games, EVE, by design, forces you to be ready for violence everywhere-even hi-sec space.
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Caletha
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Posted - 2007.01.28 11:53:00 -
[46]
Originally by: Plutoinum
Edited by: Plutoinum on 27/01/2007 23:21:30
Actually agressing and kiting the rats with some fast AB frig was something that I also had in mind at one site. Just didn't really believe that it works.
Well, guess it gets nerfed, before I get the chance to try it out now. Devs don't like kiting rats, that's one reason why we have deadspace.
Kiting != speed-tanking...
Kiting will not work, try it in a belt at a certain amount of KM the rats give up and target others... Bad for your gang
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Eralus
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Posted - 2007.01.28 16:43:00 -
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If these things randomly aggress, maybe the right tactic to taking out 30 battleships is just to jump in with 30 battleships.
Or have one guy jump in with a disposable ship to take the first volley while everyone else jumps in and then get randomly aggro'd.
Or, instead of letting the NPCs pick which ships to shoot at, come in with some EW ships and jam them so they can't shoot at all.
Can you jam NPC POS guns?
Seems the failure point of the tactics here is trying to have a single tank in the first place. Since keeping up with that damage appears nigh impossible, try something other than having a single tank.
I also had another thought - what if, once you first go into the site, a timer of sorts starts - and the longer it takes you to complete the complex, the less loot there is in the final can. So, if it takes you three days, by the time you loot the can there's barely anything left. But if you go in there and take it out in an hour or two, then you get mad loot.
This would make sense in a multi-payoff exploration site. If you discover it and happen to be mining oriented and mine out the roids in the first stage, you get billions of mining isk. If you're combat oriented and kill everything in a couple hours, then you get mad loot.
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SebbyTheFreak
Caldari
School of Applied Knowledge
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Posted - 2007.01.28 16:53:00 -
[48]
Edited by: SebbyTheFreak on 28/01/2007 16:50:57
Well, look like you missed the opportunity to get the uber stuff by letting the overseer get away.
Don't blame the complex, it's your fault =P
You had been lucky enough to get to what look as being the final excalation, but you blew it.
also, many complexes have anti-solo things, like that AF killing mini-doomsday device when you blow up the excalation starting structure.
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Smagd
Encina Technologies
Namtz'aar k'in
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Posted - 2007.01.28 19:04:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Azerrad InExile
Heres an idea of what to expect: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=447598
I loved that thread.
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Tharrn
Amarr
1st Praetorian Guard
Vigilia Valeria
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Posted - 2007.01.28 19:21:00 -
[50]
Edited by: Tharrn on 28/01/2007 19:18:34
Risk vs Reward makes combat exploration sites totally worthless - the best you can expect to get out of it are chunky roids to mine. The loot, plain and simple, sucks ass. If you state otherwise, Jiekon, you seem to look at other loot tables than we do.
Now recruiting!
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Heljarsnadi
Elastic Enterprises
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Posted - 2007.01.28 19:53:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Zentarion
Reincarnation Process Successful...
I finished it.
Conclusion:
Not ****in Worth It
Exploration sucks donkey a$$
Wait a second.
In a earlier post you stated that you started exploring for the "riches it holds", going on to claim that skillbooks and other stuff goes for high prices. In other words, it seems to me it has been profitable for you so far.
Then you run into one complex which ain't worth it, too hard, whatever, and so now, Exploration sucks donkey ass?
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LUGAL MOP'N'GLO
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Posted - 2007.01.28 19:59:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Tharrn
Edited by: Tharrn on 28/01/2007 19:18:34
Risk vs Reward makes combat exploration sites totally worthless - the best you can expect to get out of it are chunky roids to mine. The loot, plain and simple, sucks ass. If you state otherwise, Jiekon, you seem to look at other loot tables than we do.
While we haven't done many of the combat encounters (total 3) we have never found anything of use.
People can and do farm plexes in 0.0 everyday. Those plexes never change, the same method works everytime. These people make billions.
Others spend hours upon hours to find an exploration site that 97.5% of the time plain and simple isn't worth it.
I don't see why they don't make exploration in 0.0 more profitable than running a stupid static plex. It should be that way. Not only are they more challenging, they have a much higher risk factor. Thus, they should have a larger reward. Its easy to log in after DT and have your ship warp to a 10/10 plex with 20 other guys. Its hard to find an exploration site and THEN have 20 guys fit for the occasion and travel however many jumps it is...
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