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Zentarion Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.25 17:11:00 - [1] Edited by: Zentarion on 25/01/2007 17:09:58 I found a Gravimetric Deadspace Complex using exploration probes. But the plex seems to be impossible. When i warp in there everything locks me and start shooting. I can't tank it. Anyone got any experience with this? edit evefiles sux Plex1 Plex2
Reggie Stoneloader eXceed Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.25 17:15:00 - [2] Looks like a job for some friends.
Zentarion Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.25 17:16:00 - [3] Edited by: Zentarion on 25/01/2007 17:12:51 Originally by: Reggie Stoneloader Looks like a job for some friends. I had a m8 warp in, in his hurricane. I had 2 large remote armor reppers on him, and he had to warp out within seconds.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.25 17:17:00 - [4] Originally by: Zentarion Edited by: Zentarion on 25/01/2007 17:12:51 Originally by: Reggie Stoneloader Looks like a job for some friends. I had a m8 warp in, in his hurricane. I had 2 large remote armor reppers on him, and he had to warp out within seconds. More friends? Does sound a wee bit OTT, though. -----------------------------------------------
Falcione Mortis Angelus Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.25 17:17:00 - [5] Curse...Alliance Let us take a moment to reflect on that latter word. ----------- My Bio in Progress Prologue / CH.1
Baleorg Gallente Guys of Sarcasm	Posted - 2007.01.25 17:46:00 - [6] you sure you found the GRAVIMETRIC one and not some "unknown" that you can probe with anything? gravi usualyl is mining site, that doesnt look much like mining to me :-P BTW: A GOOD Cache-Cleaner
Zentarion Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.25 17:55:00 - [7] Originally by: Baleorg you sure you found the GRAVIMETRIC one and not some "unknown" that you can probe with anything? gravi usualyl is mining site, that doesnt look much like mining to me :-P Ops I ment magnetometric
Larkonis Trassler Beyond Divinity Inc Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.25 17:59:00 - [8] Get a friend/alt to warp into it in an inty loaded with speed mods and the best AB you can find (gistii A types are only about 10 mil). As soon as he warps in he hits the burners and goes into a 30k orbit around an object and gets general agro. Rats will form a nice easy to shoot ball around the object. Dispose of at your leisure. ------------ Crow Squad... An Audio and Visual Joygasm by Larkonis Trassler
The Slayer Caldari The Black Rabbits Fatal Persuasion	Posted - 2007.01.25 18:03:00 - [9] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Get a friend/alt to warp into it in an inty loaded with speed mods and the best AB you can find (gistii A types are only about 10 mil). As soon as he warps in he hits the burners and goes into a 30k orbit around an object and gets general agro. Rats will form a nice easy to shoot ball around the object. Dispose of at your leisure. This man speaks truth. Also - kill from smallest to largest ship, as smallest will be able to track the AF.
Zentarion Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.25 18:08:00 - [10] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Get a friend/alt to warp into it in an inty loaded with speed mods and the best AB you can find (gistii A types are only about 10 mil). As soon as he warps in he hits the burners and goes into a 30k orbit around an object and gets general agro. Rats will form a nice easy to shoot ball around the object. Dispose of at your leisure. How fast would it have to go for it to work?

Nomakai Delateriel Amarr	Posted - 2007.01.25 18:13:00 - [11] Originally by: Larkonis Trassler Get a friend/alt to warp into it in an inty loaded with speed mods and the best AB you can find (gistii A types are only about 10 mil). As soon as he warps in he hits the burners and goes into a 30k orbit around an object and gets general agro. Rats will form a nice easy to shoot ball around the object. Dispose of at your leisure. Either that or deploying a Commandship tanked as heavily as you can (with a focus on resists) and supporting reppers/boosters. I know that there are commandship setups that can tank pretty insane amounts of damage if they're given proper support. ______________________________________________ -The more it changes, the more it stays the same. Mankind and all its activities. War and Peace, Love and Hate. Ever changing, ever the same.
Cabadrin Caldari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.25 18:20:00 - [12] Originally by: Zentarion Edited by: Zentarion on 25/01/2007 17:50:45 Edited by: Zentarion on 25/01/2007 17:09:58 I found a Magnetomeric Deadspace Complex using exploration probes. But the plex seems to be impossible. When i warp in there everything locks me and start shooting. I can't tank it. Anyone got any experience with this? edit evefiles sux Plex1 Plex2 Perhaps swap out of that shuttle you're piloting _______________________________________________
Zentarion Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.25 18:22:00 - [13] Quote: Perhaps swap out of that shuttle you're piloting I didn't want to risk my cheetah. Because I've heard of intapoping exploration spawns before
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.01.25 18:25:00 - [14] It's doable. A command ship, say a Sleipnir or Claymore, tanked to the nuts and a logistics cruiser or two (amarr ones) feeding cap. Fit a XL shield booster on the Sleipnir with exp, kinetic and 2 invul II hardeners. As an alternative give the bookmark to the site to me and I'd be happy to show you in person
Zentarion Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.25 18:27:00 - [15] Originally by: Xelios It's doable. A command ship, say a Sleipnir or Claymore, tanked to the nuts and a logistics cruiser or two (amarr ones) feeding cap. Fit a XL shield booster on the Sleipnir with exp, kinetic and 2 invul II hardeners. As an alternative give the bookmark to the site to me and I'd be happy to show you in person Bring me a Sleipnir, and it'll happily show it to you in person
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.01.25 18:33:00 - [16] Originally by: Zentarion Originally by: Xelios It's doable. A command ship, say a Sleipnir or Claymore, tanked to the nuts and a logistics cruiser or two (amarr ones) feeding cap. Fit a XL shield booster on the Sleipnir with exp, kinetic and 2 invul II hardeners. As an alternative give the bookmark to the site to me and I'd be happy to show you in person Bring me a Sleipnir, and it'll happily show it to you in person And I'll pry the bm from your cold dead fingers What's the name of the site btw? Looks like a lot of fun I'll have to keep an eye out for it.

Jiekon	Posted - 2007.01.25 19:27:00 - [17] surprisingly, deep space, 0.0 hidden sites require more than just 1 person in order to complete. (or they should....) ___________________________ ~Jiekon Known Issues Bug Reporting Guides for new Revelations Features ███████████████ ███████████████ ███████████████ ███████████████ ███████████████

Isyel Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2007.01.25 19:41:00 - [18] Plexes are evil. CCP is evil for making them. We found one once which had Sanshas on the first stage and on the second Sanshas and Guristas. Of course nothing points at it until you warp in to the second part. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Originally by: Wrangler We don't want to discriminate anyone! We want both anti-social and social players to grief each other!
Zentarion Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.25 19:46:00 - [19] Originally by: Jiekon surprisingly, deep space, 0.0 hidden sites require more than just 1 person in order to complete. (or they should....) ' Scratch 1 Super tanked Sleipnir. Any chance for a reimbursement?
Roemy Schneider BINFORD	Posted - 2007.01.25 19:52:00 - [20] humm... the inty approach might not necessarily work... quite a few archangels tend to paint. the blockade (lvl3 AND lvl4) is doable with a vaga but it gets tough as soon as the painters help those kinetic missles. with the numbers of enemies from this screenshot, i fear it'll be the same problem but much worse due to the limited fitting options on an inty

Kharakan Amarr Morticus Impendium	Posted - 2007.01.25 19:56:00 - [21] A few weeks, maybe a month back, someone else posted an account of their wranglings with an uberplex, and the multiple losses they suffered. I can't remember enough specifics to do an eve-search, but can anyone else remember this? Some of the observations the poster made could be very helpful to the OP. this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
Zentarion Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.25 20:12:00 - [22] Well so far I've gathered; 5 Hours to find the site. 2 Hours to figure out how to do it. 1 Hour to get a sleipnir, setting it up. 2 min for the rats to pop my sleipnir, loosing 300mill along with it. Conclusion: Not ****in Worth It Exploration sucks donkey a$$

Jiekon	Posted - 2007.01.25 20:17:00 - [23] Originally by: Zentarion Well so far I've gathered; 5 Hours to find the site. 2 Hours to figure out how to do it. 1 Hour to get a sleipnir, setting it up. 2 min for the rats to pop my sleipnir, loosing 300mill along with it. Conclusion: Not SNIP please do not bypass the profanity filter Worth It Exploration sucks donkey SNIP Yet loads of people love them and do them every day sucesfully.... _____________________________ ~Jiekon ~CCP QA Known Issues The LogServer Bug Reporting Guides for new Revelations Features

Hydrian Alante The Scope	Posted - 2007.01.25 20:21:00 - [24] This one looks easyly doable for 2-3 normal non faction-fitted ravens. Dude you are in an alliance, is it to hard to find some raven pilots to hook up with you?
John Blackthorn Foundation R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.25 20:21:00 - [25] I tried to take a group of six into one of the complexes, and then later took 16. Didn't matter, the npc's would pick out one ship, destory it and move on. No matter the amount of tanking. The most success we had was taking in an assult frigate and remote tanking it up. but it still died between the reps.
Zentarion Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.25 20:22:00 - [26] Originally by: Jiekon Originally by: Zentarion Well so far I've gathered; 5 Hours to find the site. 2 Hours to figure out how to do it. 1 Hour to get a sleipnir, setting it up. 2 min for the rats to pop my sleipnir, loosing 300mill along with it. Conclusion: Not ***in Worth It Exploration sucks donkey SNIP* Yet loads of people love them and do them every day sucesfully.... Give me one example of someone who has done this site successfully.
Mystii Catalyst Reaction Xelas Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.25 20:22:00 - [27] Step 1. Get somebody who can actually tank to get agro. Step 2. Get at least two other ships with large remote reps on them, to rep the main tank. Step 3. (Optional) Remote energy transfer ship for the remote rep ships/main tank. Step 4. Rest of your fleet pounds the rats in the plex. It takes teamwork and a decent number of people to do these plexes. If your looking for soloing, go back to running missions. ---------- EvE ONLINE - T+TALHELLDEATH SUPPORTER
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.25 20:25:00 - [28] Ooh, wait- is this an actual use for Logistics Ships?! I think it is! Get an Oneiros, or whatever the Caldari one is. That and a few other repping friends on a decent tanker should be able to tank just about anything. /Patch86 likes that there are suddenly missions and complexes that are a challenge.......... -----------------------------------------------

Jiekon	Posted - 2007.01.25 20:26:00 - [29] Originally by: Zentarion Give me one example of someone who has done this site successfully. no, you stated that EXPLORATION sucked, plenty of people have "explored" sucessfully. _____________________________ ~Jiekon ~CCP QA Known Issues The LogServer Bug Reporting Guides for new Revelations Features

Azerrad InExile	Posted - 2007.01.25 20:27:00 - [30] Heres an idea of what to expect: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=447598

See'ker	Posted - 2007.01.25 20:37:00 - [31] Originally by: Jiekon Originally by: Zentarion Give me one example of someone who has done this site successfully. no, you stated that EXPLORATION sucked, plenty of people have "explored" sucessfully. RAWR
Zentarion Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.25 20:38:00 - [32] Quote: It takes teamwork and a decent number of people to do these plexes. If your looking for soloing, go back to running missions. And you just assume that i am a mission runner? I haven't run a single mission for many months. I started exploration because of the riches it holds. And that it seems to finally be something worth while doing for ISK. Have you seen what data-interfaces and the BPCs and Skillbooks sell for on the forums? And, who does the probing, taking hours to find a good site? Using millions on probes? Yes, the explorer. And you tell me that i have to share the wealth that you find in them? Some dude crabs a can/hack can or whatever, and just walks away with the good stuff without telling anyone about it... Originally by: Jiekon Originally by: Zentarion Give me one example of someone who has done this site successfully. no, you stated that EXPLORATION sucked, plenty of people have "explored" sucessfully. Yes, i have explored successfully, and and it was enjoyable. Until i found this site and spending all that time and lose 300mill in 2min, that just gives me the signal that maybe that site might be a tad overpowered.
pshepherd Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.01.25 20:40:00 - [33] I had a few friends (5 accounts) run something similar. We have a raven tanked for damage, the others all in remote shield tankers. We almost lost the raven to the alpha-strike, but after that, killing the npc's was easy. Just do that CCP suggest, think outside the box and bring friends P.S. Oh dear God exploration is making me rich!
Haniblecter Teg F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control	Posted - 2007.01.25 20:46:00 - [34] Originally by: Zentarion Well so far I've gathered; 5 Hours to find the site. 2 Hours to figure out how to do it. 1 Hour to get a sleipnir, setting it up. 2 min for the rats to pop my sleipnir, loosing 300mill along with it. Conclusion: Not ***in Worth It Exploration sucks donkey SNIP* Was it just you? You greedy loser? ---------------------------------------- Friends Forever
munchy Prison Break Inc.	Posted - 2007.01.25 20:56:00 - [35] Edited by: munchy on 25/01/2007 20:53:54 Originally by: Zentarion Quote: It takes teamwork and a decent number of people to do these plexes. If your looking for soloing, go back to running missions. And you just assume that i am a mission runner? I haven't run a single mission for many months. I started exploration because of the riches it holds. And that it seems to finally be something worth while doing for ISK. Have you seen what data-interfaces and the BPCs and Skillbooks sell for on the forums? And, who does the probing, taking hours to find a good site? Using millions on probes? Yes, the explorer. And you tell me that i have to share the wealth that you find in them? Some dude crabs a can/hack can or whatever, and just walks away with the good stuff without telling anyone about it... Originally by: Jiekon Originally by: Zentarion Give me one example of someone who has done this site successfully. no, you stated that EXPLORATION sucked, plenty of people have "explored" sucessfully. Yes, i have explored successfully, and and it was enjoyable. Until i found this site and spending all that time and lose 300mill in 2min, that just gives me the signal that maybe that site might be a tad overpowered. why are you so obsessed with doing it solo? a dev has just TOLD you it takes more than 1 person, and you're in a corp i KNOW is packed full of high experience members. it sounds to me like the reward will be enough for 2 of you. try a scorp with a logistics with it or something. judging by the screenshots, its not too hard, but you need to use sheild/armour/cap transfers. edit for spelling ---
Kharakan Amarr Morticus Impendium	Posted - 2007.01.25 20:58:00 - [36] Originally by: Azerrad InExile Heres an idea of what to expect: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=447598 That's the one I was after this signature space is claimed in the name of eris, haha I got to him first. neeneer
Xelios Minmatar Rampage Eternal Ka-Tet	Posted - 2007.01.25 21:15:00 - [37] Not all the sites can be done by yourself. You telling me there's no one else in CA you trust to run that site with you and split the loot? Or no one else who would help you with the npc's just for the hell of a new challenge? I don't think it's overpowered at all, you just don't want to risk having to split the loot with someone else. It's not like you're going to stumble onto a vaga bpo or anything, there's plenty of other sites you can do by yourself that probably have a chance of dropping the same stuff you'll find there. And I can pretty well guarantee that even if you manage to pull off that spawn by yourself there will be others waiting after it, and they might be even harder.
Zentarion Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.25 21:26:00 - [38] Originally by: Xelios Not all the sites can be done by yourself. You telling me there's no one else in CA you trust to run that site with you and split the loot? Or no one else who would help you with the npc's just for the hell of a new challenge? I don't mind sharing. But the amount of people that needs to get involved in doing this specific site, makes me think that it's really not worth the effort. That's all. Now just let this thread die. I'm starting to get over my loss already
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.01.25 21:38:00 - [39] Originally by: Jiekon surprisingly, deep space, 0.0 hidden sites require more than just 1 person in order to complete. (or they should....) The real problem is that some deep 0.0 sites are easier than level 3 missions (and don't drop any loot at that!), and some are 10/10 complexes. Its not at all easy to determine which type of site you've found until its far too late to do anything about it. --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
Caletha	Posted - 2007.01.25 22:36:00 - [40] Perhaps instead of trying to let the sleipnir run the tank, let it run a buffer + resists only. Get logistic ships to run the tank. Not that hard and works on pretty much every scale. If in doubt, add more logistics If the sleipnir doesnt work, take one of the new BS like the Rokh, set it up like this: Hi: Whatever Mid: 1x Explosive T2 1x Photon T2 1x Heat T2 1x Ballistic T2 2x Invul T2 Low: 4x T2 PDS 1x T2 Damage Control Rigs: 3x Core Defence Field Extender I End result with BS lvl 4: 18856 shield (with my skills) 80.7% EM 92.3% Explosive 88.4% Kinetic 84.6% Thermal Without using faction gear, this gives damned good resists with a buffer that should last long enough for your logistic buddies to warp in and shield rep you. You dont even need actual logistic ships, 2 or 3 domi's with cap rechargers + medium / large shield reps work just fine. If not, add more. Another option is to try and speed tank, I've never tried that myself though. Principle is the same, get a large buffer on a small ship, speed mods etc on it, and keep it moving. Count yourself lucky though, I've only found this bugged crap: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=451509 Nothing more then a couple of cruisers... And thats in 0.0 too

pshepherd Caldari Dark-Rising Fallen Souls	Posted - 2007.01.26 00:25:00 - [41] Originally by: Hllaxiu Its not at all easy to determine which type of site you've found until its far too late to do anything about it. I use a suicide frigate or shuttle
princess minervia	Posted - 2007.01.26 00:40:00 - [42] Angel Provisional HQ Complex..... Un-Doable. Massive Lag and insta lock and fire from npc's. Lost 2 Fully and tanked t2 bs's in under 20 secs. It was entered 4 more times in various ships to yield the same result.. Fly in with 20 friends and they will probably all die, so don't do it. I have found over 60 plex, arcsals, hack and mining belts in .o space... Believe me if you find this site as listed above. Run far far away.. And hand over the book-mark to someone that you dont like...lolol
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.26 04:13:00 - [43] Wait your telling me not one of you even attempted at brining humor into this post based upon the title he gave it!? Thats it every one loses at the forums today
Zentarion Infinitus Odium Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.27 22:17:00 - [44] Reincarnation Process Successful... I finished it. Conclusion: Not ****in Worth It Exploration sucks donkey a$$
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Cult of War	Posted - 2007.01.27 23:24:00 - [45] Edited by: Plutoinum on 27/01/2007 23:21:30 Actually agressing and kiting the rats with some fast AB frig was something that I also had in mind at one site. Just didn't really believe that it works. Well, guess it gets nerfed, before I get the chance to try it out now. Devs don't like kiting rats, that's one reason why we have deadspace. ______________ Originally by: Patch86 Combat in EVE is non-consensual. Unlike most games, EVE, by design, forces you to be ready for violence everywhere-even hi-sec space.
Caletha	Posted - 2007.01.28 11:53:00 - [46] Originally by: Plutoinum Edited by: Plutoinum on 27/01/2007 23:21:30 Actually agressing and kiting the rats with some fast AB frig was something that I also had in mind at one site. Just didn't really believe that it works. Well, guess it gets nerfed, before I get the chance to try it out now. Devs don't like kiting rats, that's one reason why we have deadspace. Kiting != speed-tanking... Kiting will not work, try it in a belt at a certain amount of KM the rats give up and target others... Bad for your gang
Eralus	Posted - 2007.01.28 16:43:00 - [47] If these things randomly aggress, maybe the right tactic to taking out 30 battleships is just to jump in with 30 battleships. Or have one guy jump in with a disposable ship to take the first volley while everyone else jumps in and then get randomly aggro'd. Or, instead of letting the NPCs pick which ships to shoot at, come in with some EW ships and jam them so they can't shoot at all. Can you jam NPC POS guns? Seems the failure point of the tactics here is trying to have a single tank in the first place. Since keeping up with that damage appears nigh impossible, try something other than having a single tank. I also had another thought - what if, once you first go into the site, a timer of sorts starts - and the longer it takes you to complete the complex, the less loot there is in the final can. So, if it takes you three days, by the time you loot the can there's barely anything left. But if you go in there and take it out in an hour or two, then you get mad loot. This would make sense in a multi-payoff exploration site. If you discover it and happen to be mining oriented and mine out the roids in the first stage, you get billions of mining isk. If you're combat oriented and kill everything in a couple hours, then you get mad loot. _____ Lifewire is a big, ugly, mean... carebear.
SebbyTheFreak Caldari School of Applied Knowledge	Posted - 2007.01.28 16:53:00 - [48] Edited by: SebbyTheFreak on 28/01/2007 16:50:57 Well, look like you missed the opportunity to get the uber stuff by letting the overseer get away. Don't blame the complex, it's your fault =P You had been lucky enough to get to what look as being the final excalation, but you blew it. also, many complexes have anti-solo things, like that AF killing mini-doomsday device when you blow up the excalation starting structure.
Smagd Encina Technologies Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2007.01.28 19:04:00 - [49] Originally by: Azerrad InExile Heres an idea of what to expect: http://oldforums.eveonline.com/?a=topic&threadID=447598 I loved that thread. ATTACK, and crash: You lose. RUN, and crash: Why WIN?
Tharrn Amarr 1st Praetorian Guard Vigilia Valeria	Posted - 2007.01.28 19:21:00 - [50] Edited by: Tharrn on 28/01/2007 19:18:34 Risk vs Reward makes combat exploration sites totally worthless - the best you can expect to get out of it are chunky roids to mine. The loot, plain and simple, sucks ass. If you state otherwise, Jiekon, you seem to look at other loot tables than we do. Now recruiting!

Heljarsnadi Elastic Enterprises	Posted - 2007.01.28 19:53:00 - [51] Originally by: Zentarion Reincarnation Process Successful... I finished it. Conclusion: Not ****in Worth It Exploration sucks donkey a$$ Wait a second. In a earlier post you stated that you started exploring for the "riches it holds", going on to claim that skillbooks and other stuff goes for high prices. In other words, it seems to me it has been profitable for you so far. Then you run into one complex which ain't worth it, too hard, whatever, and so now, Exploration sucks donkey ass?
LUGAL MOP'N'GLO	Posted - 2007.01.28 19:59:00 - [52] Originally by: Tharrn Edited by: Tharrn on 28/01/2007 19:18:34 Risk vs Reward makes combat exploration sites totally worthless - the best you can expect to get out of it are chunky roids to mine. The loot, plain and simple, sucks ass. If you state otherwise, Jiekon, you seem to look at other loot tables than we do. While we haven't done many of the combat encounters (total 3) we have never found anything of use. People can and do farm plexes in 0.0 everyday. Those plexes never change, the same method works everytime. These people make billions. Others spend hours upon hours to find an exploration site that 97.5% of the time plain and simple isn't worth it. I don't see why they don't make exploration in 0.0 more profitable than running a stupid static plex. It should be that way. Not only are they more challenging, they have a much higher risk factor. Thus, they should have a larger reward. Its easy to log in after DT and have your ship warp to a 10/10 plex with 20 other guys. Its hard to find an exploration site and THEN have 20 guys fit for the occasion and travel however many jumps it is... ~~~~~~~~~ Hey Gai. Bak Off Coz Ai Bang Yu Hawd. K Gai?


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