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Khes	Posted - 2007.01.26 15:47:00 - [121] Edited by: Khes on 26/01/2007 15:47:26 Originally by: R34PER Well, it is different from being engaged by a single pirate compared to a gate camp.. Why should i log when someone attacks me solo, i might even beat him! Now gate camp is absurd to try survive it by other means unless you are feeling lucky like in my previous post. So if you think the situation is fare and you have a chance you stay in and do not logg out. Sounds like consensual PvP to me.
Vladikov Orrico	Posted - 2007.01.26 15:53:00 - [122] Quote: As to the roving Navy patrols... that actually sounds like it could be interesting provided the campers have a shot at taking them down. Got to throw them at least a little bit of a bone there Actually I don't think they should get a bone...I think they should get 'the' bone. If campers think it's legit to use alts to scout for prey approaching gates etc, then the navy (as in the previous posters example of roving navy patrols) should be able to 'detect' (simulating the navy loggin in an alt scout) how many people are camping said gate and respond with appropriate force. This is using the same logic they use to defend the use of alt accounts...it's just being used by npc's. If one is fair thenthe other must be. Nuff said. Bring on the patrols.
Cyrano Tyranus	Posted - 2007.01.26 15:54:00 - [123] Originally by: Gaius Flaminius Originally by: Cyrano Tyranus I see and how is Eve gonna collapse if they dont change the CTRL-q? what evidence do you have to this effect? Assumption is the what Mother of What? My my, don't they all come out of the wood-works now. Ctrl-Q will ruin EVE because destruction fuels the economy. No destruction - no economy. Can you understand this or should I draw you a diagram? /Gaius I will always be willing to accept a diagram. But consider this. You have yet to show me evidence.. The word evidence is the important one here.. How long has CTRL Q been here.. and is eve still here or was I playing somthing else last night? Secondly your economic model works if Player numbers are stagnant (Which they aint) So I put it to you that it will reduce the vastly inflated prices and bring the prices of Items down therefore It would increase the Index of the ISK. As new players Join the game they will still need the all important battleship. but fewer will be sold therefore few will manufacture them. once again in time pushing the prices back up by reducing the supply more the the reduction in demand. Still with me? Right so now Ammo usage will still be constant if not increased as the gate campers will now be ratting or somthing else as they will not be camping the gates due to the CTRL Q Factor. So usage of ammo will go up. Economy = + If you want futher Supply and demand models then feel free to post and I will mail them to you.. Not in game however.. that costs me ISK and as we all know 'its all about the Benjamins' And I am not coming out of any wood works as it were.. I just happened to respond to your posts.. Maybe there are others who disagree with you and thats why they are posting now. On my Part I am not interested in making any personal attacks. But feel free to try and slight my with you Words of Diagram,woodwork, not worthey of your Time,etc.
nahtoh Caldari Bull Industries	Posted - 2007.01.26 16:01:00 - [124] Originally by: Gaius Flaminius Aaargh!!! FFS, won't someone listen to reason? Alts have NOTHING I repeat NOTHING to do with logging off! It's a strawman, an excuse, a stupid justification to a non issue! Every thread where the logg-off isue is adressed a bunch of munchkins comes along with their "gate-camps" and "alt-scouts" when the issue is about something completely different. You cannot EVER justify logging. If you can, you are playing the wrong game. /Gaius I am not trying to justify logging off during combat, just pointing out what i consider a massive exploit that has been ignored from day one and is getting worse. players with a low sec rating using alts to bypass the systen sec ratings the bunch of cheating bastards that they are just as annoying are pirates with indie characters purely to keep they pirate characters in ships and mods there are the real game breakers if you ask me. But they are not a problem like hell hey are not. ========= "I am not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why can`t we just take the safety labels off everything and let the problem fix its self
Malcanis	Posted - 2007.01.26 16:03:00 - [125] Originally by: Cyrano Tyranus Originally by: Hamfast I get tired of hearing people called cheaters, just because you don't like how they do things... I don't care if you log off or not... it's not cheating... I don't care they you have two accounts, or 3, or 4... it's not cheating... If you are a "Macro-Miner" and get caught, you get banned - this is cheating... If you want to call those that log off to avoid getting blasted "Cowards" I am right there with you... but they are not cheaters. You want to call the gate campers that get a dozen friends and blast folks as they warp in "Bully's" or some other name, feel free... they are not cheaters. If you want to come here and call the loggers "Cheaters" and whine about the fact that you did not get to blow up their ship and pod them... gees, I'll cry you a river... poor poor pitiful you... lets all hope you can blow up the next unarmed noob before they can run away or log... Damn! Thats the best post I saw yet on this topic. If you dont want to be caught in a gate camp then use an alt? nah can't be bothered I like to relax and play the game. Wot Eve is not the game for me? I see can you suggest one that I might like? now ask me of I care? Eve may or may not be the game for me but that aint for you to decide? You can call me a 'sploiter or whatever but until I get an official warning from CCP then tough.. I will log off if the odds are not in my favour. I didnt think this game was about heroic 'last stands against overwhelming odds' combat... I thought It was more of a Business Sim with Losts of different business Ideas E.G. PVP to remove competition assets. Miners Etc) But thats just me. As a result I will play the game that way. If you want to be the tyranical pirate force that scours the trade lanes looking for booty then fine.. that works for you good.. But dont expect me to be the Slow merchantman who is easy prey for you because I am not interested. That maybe part of your Corps Business plan but I am not here to co operate with your Plan. I dont care about wether its not part of the game mechanics or not. If I can do it then I will. If you can find a way to stop me from doing it then well done. I will have to look for anotherway to escape from a bad situation. But until then tough! For me its all about the 'Benjamins' what is it about for you? Now if you got a constructive Arguement that does not involve Game mechanics,name calling, unprovable facts, or general unpleasantness then I will listen Although not always agree. Cyrano So, just out of interest, what will you do if CCP are sincere when they say they're going to "fix" CTRL-Q and you are no longer able to save your ship using this tactic? Will you quit EVE? Will you play EVE differently?
Cyrano Tyranus	Posted - 2007.01.26 16:09:00 - [126] Originally by: Malcanis So, just out of interest, what will you do if CCP are sincere when they say they're going to "fix" CTRL-Q and you are no longer able to save your ship using this tactic? Will you quit EVE? Will you play EVE differently? Interesting question. I would most likley keep playing. Although I would proberbly never visit any Low sec space because the risks involved for me in my casual playing style are too high when compared to the rewards. I wouldnt risk The chance of gate camp as I know very little of PVP in Eve. I know some out there will be saying somthing along the lines of 'Learn' it then. But I dont want to have to spend time learning somthing I dont want to do in a game beyond the fundementals(sp).
Khes	Posted - 2007.01.26 16:10:00 - [127] Originally by: nahtoh I am not trying to justify logging off during combat, just pointing out what i consider a massive exploit that has been ignored from day one and is getting worse. players with a low sec rating using alts to bypass the systen sec ratings the bunch of cheating bastards that they are just as annoying are pirates with indie characters purely to keep they pirate characters in ships and mods there are the real game breakers if you ask me. But they are not a problem like hell hey are not. Perhaps alt is a problem, maybe even a huge problem. What ever. But we are discussing logging off here. Not alts. And even if alts is a huge problem it is NOT AN EXCUSE for logging off. I think that is what Gaius is trying to say.
R34PER	Posted - 2007.01.26 16:13:00 - [128] Originally by: Khes So if you think the situation is fare and you have a chance you stay in and do not logg out. Sounds like consensual PvP to me. If he catches me off guard etc i would not log, but if i was in some 500mill HAC i would consider it.. Kinda as reward to him for finding/catching me. But the discussion was about gatecamps where i find logging justified. Anyway go bugger someone else off Its just my opinion and you may just as well ignore it.
Khes	Posted - 2007.01.26 16:17:00 - [129] Originally by: R34PER Anyway go bugger someone else off Ok, Im sorry. I just thought I would reply and discuss some of the posts i read in a thread I created. Sorry if you feel Im bugging you.
Khes	Posted - 2007.01.26 16:23:00 - [130] Edited by: Khes on 26/01/2007 16:20:15 It seems to me that many of the logg off supporters want to choose when its ok to log and when its not. I just can't interpret that any other way then that they do not like non-consensual PvP and want it to be consensual. You should only be able to die if YOU deside that the agressors was using a (to you) fare tactic. Sorry for posting two times in a row.

Petwraith Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.01.26 16:28:00 - [131] If it ain't orange, it ain't offical! If it aint red it ain't important. - [red]Hutch


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