The Voluval is a brutal tradition that has led to much suffering. The sooner it's wiped out, the better.

The Voluval is a brutal tradition that has led to much suffering. The sooner it's wiped out, the better.

The Voluval is a brutal tradition that has led to much suffering. The sooner it's wiped out, the better.

The hell does "special" have to do with anything? It's no more "special" than your life is, and you don't get to determine that yourself either.

No one chooses where their voluval appears, Elmund. You were talking about facial tattoos as if they mean the wearers want to appear special, which is rather denigrating to quite a few clans practicing the display of life marks and honesty. The voluval doesn't come into play here.

I still don't see what any of this has to do with life marks and the history of the person. That's what I was referring to, and then you start talking about facial voluvals and "special" people, which have nothing to do with it. It's like denigrating someone eating an apple because someone who ate a pear did something stupid.

What does idiots with auspicious voluval marks have to do with facial tattoos, naming and life marks?

The point makes no sense. There's nothing special to show in a life mark unless you've actually gone and done something truly special.

... or are you seriously implying faking them?

So, I guess in some Matari, a part of them just wants to show off how special they are....by announcing it on their faces!

Of course not, but the mark itself is hardly a boast, which is what the following implied:



Perhaps it's merely a quirk of language. I don't spend much time in the Federation if I can avoid it.

Elmund, I can't in my wildest imagination imagine an actual Matari putting a life mark they never earned on their face. It'd be like... trying to perform cosmetic surgery on your spirit with a rusty cleaver. I will bow out of this conversation, because it's a little too disturbing for my tastes.

A life mark I hadn't earned on my face... it'd be like trying to wear someone else's face over my own.

Well, you put that mark on your face, whether you actually earned it or not. Then you wait for someone to come ask you about it.

Then you start beating your own drum.

Of course, many Matari will not find that impressive even in the slightest. Some might. Non-Matari even more likely.

Aren't there criminals who are still "actual Matari," Miz?

Con artists? Cartel operatives? Even Republic ... um, internal security, maybe, of some sort?

It seems like being able to put someone else's face over your own would be really useful, given a good cover story. People are apt to remember your marks more than they remember, say, the set of your eyebrows.

Obviously this would take some doing, but-- you could even have it set up so you could modify your markings more or less at will. It'd be like being able to swap faces, without having to mess around with bone structure. After all, no actual Matari would put a life mark they never earned on their face....

Edit:

I'm sorry-- you want to get out of the conversation because it's too uncomfortable, and I'm all of a sudden all intrigued. Uh, so to speak.

If there's an idea like this that's so uncomfortable that people don't like to speak of it, it seems like a wildly useful tool, which-- well, it implies to me that someone's probably using (or, rather, abusing) it routinely. It's rude of me to impose something like that on you, though.

Please don't feel like you need to address it. I'll just take my answer from Mr. Egivand or something. There's just something about the unthinkable that really, really makes me want to think it.

Update on introducing negative Voluval marks to the Nauplius slave colony

And just where is this "colony?"

Who knows, maybe the Matari will stop "auditing" Ice cream and pay you a visit. You, know, actually "come for their people" this time around?

And just where is this "colony?"

Who knows, maybe the Matari will stop "auditing" Ice cream and pay you a visit. You, know, actually "come for their people" this time around?

No special-snowflake look-at-my-exciting-life stuff there

If your going to criticize my people, aiming it at those who have done something in the past verses those like myself and many others who haven't is rather pointless is it not?

Respectfully Ms. Vess, it was aimed at the ice cream auditors and gradient. If they've come for their people and rescued anyone from Nauplius, do let me know. Because I've missed it. And yes, on almost all occasions he was in low sec, in some cases in "matari" systems.

I am aware Anslo helped on occasion. I'll be charitable and assume you were with Scope Werks at the time(s).

Respectfully Ms. Vess, it was aimed at the ice cream auditors and gradient. If they've come for their people and rescued anyone from Nauplius, do let me know. Because I've missed it. And yes, on almost all occasions he was in low sec, in some cases in "matari" systems.

I am aware Anslo helped on occasion. I'll be charitable and assume you were with Scope Werks at the time(s).

People are very quick to comment on me being abrasive, then they start denigrating the customs of clans in their own tribe.

So do I, but then people get whiny about it. Double standards, hmm?

Having Sebiestor start mocking the customs and ways of other Sebiestor clans was rather unexpected though. There's a difference between criticism and mockery, but I suppose you're too Gallentean now to grasp that, perhaps.